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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Almost50
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[Dwlee99]

For a meta thing, salsabil felt at least similar in a non-serious game late week. I'm going to be more wary this game of gut townreading there because she tricked everyone including the dead thread.

[Dwlee99]

For a meta thing, salsabil felt at least similar in a non-serious game late week. I'm going to be more wary this game of gut townreading there because she tricked everyone including the dead thread.

You have to check my town games also.... I have a pretty similar way as any alignment.

That's why I said I'd be wary. You confuse me.

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

[Dwlee99]

Oh, I completely misread that interaction. I thought Seanzie was saying that Salsa was sticking her neck out, and thus was town. Didn't find that objectionable, but that take on himself is really awkward.

Wagon on Seanzie seems way overblown? What am I missing?

He seems (newb) scum to me.... what do you think?

Given the above awkward but the tone feels like it matches up.

[Dwlee99]

Out of curiosity, what meta did you pick up between me saying "someone is going to blow up today don't worry" and getting immediately blown up?

[Dwlee99]

What the fuck was that entrance

[Dwlee99]

I hope the monkey will start having fun in a more game-related way.

[Dwlee99]

Still waiting to hear townreads from people.

I at least like your initiative so far.

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus seems to be playing fast-and-loose which I'd consider townie. Everyone else I haven't seen enough from.

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus seems to be playing fast-and-loose which I'd consider townie. Everyone else I haven't seen enough from.

What are you seeing here that is fast-and-loose?

The way he is reacting to the game state. He has been very active moving conversation places and quick on the draw with responses. I don't get the vibe that he is forcing anything.

[Dwlee99]

cyrus62 (3): Seanzie, nomnomnom, boxxy

Ah yes, E-1

[Dwlee99]

Sorry to Cyrus that was just uhh funny.

[Dwlee99]

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

[Dwlee99]

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

[Dwlee99]

I think that Cyrus not knowing we weren't in a newbie with 9 players (hence that whole "I'm at e-1!!" drama) is a town slip? Unless it was ultra planned to give off that impression, but he doesn't strike me as that kind of player at all.

I think it was a mistake and NAI.

Well the reason I'm saying it might be a town-slip is because how could he think he was in a newbie if he was in the mafia chat and knew how many mafia there were? Feel like that would be a clear wake-up call to "oh this is a mini cause there are 3 scum"

[Dwlee99]

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

his reaction to me deliberately withholding my tell feels like a lot of pretending, and tbh monkey pointed out the posts earlier that are just not consistent with a town mindset
I believe town!boxxy never actually votes me there for not posting a tell. Think he's scum trying to sell frustrated town to us.

I'm just seeing trolling. I'll look for the monkey posts.

[Dwlee99]

cyrus, what's your read on boxxy?

boxxy is a non funny guy who hates to joke and doesnt like trolls .

Can you point me to this?

[Dwlee99]

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

What is your preferred wagon atm?

I'm trying to sort nom right now because our views on boxxxy are so incongruent

[Dwlee99]

I'm trying to sort nom right now because our views on boxxxy are so incongruent

just why do you like boxxy so much?

I feel like boxxy is trying to move the game forward and made good objections to nom's push without claiming the tell. I got the same exact same "oh trust me we'll kill cyrus and then I'll tell you why we did it" vibes from nom.

[Dwlee99]

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

Yes, you voted him.

The Dwlee I know would take this wagon and run with it until he has a better read

I don't vote town reads unless it's a deadline hammer.

[Dwlee99]

making good objections and moving the game forward can also come from scum, btw. but please, tell me what these move the game forward moments were and what the good objections were. what's your read on nom? have you considered what i told you about boxxy?

Well yea but it's typically townie and I don't see anything else weird about boxxy. Game forward by being one of the first to post real-looking reads, pressuring you into not trolling, pressuring nom to share the tell. I think objecting to the nom "I'm gonna share the tell tomorrow" is good because I had the same problem and he beat me to the punch.

I'm not sure of nom right now. Not sharing the tell could come from scum trying to just free miselim there or just cocky town but I think his reaction to boxxy is weird there because I just want him to share the tell.

What specifically did you say about boxxy? The game is moving super fast and I don't remember.

[Dwlee99]

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

Is boxxy still scumreading cyrus? If so yea that looks bad but I haven't seen or don't remember that. In general I think changing your mind on a slot isn't alignment indicative unless it's a super weird shift. What specifically about the change on his monkey read did you not like?

Spoiler: giant monkey wall

ssbm_Kyouko just ninja'd my thoughts re: Boxxxy scumreading Monkey, and I think that is a good look since Monkey is an easy push right now. I'd still like to hear ssbm_Kyouko's response to those reads they gave that I asked them about, but I'm giving this slot a townlean.

But scums offen try to go for easy push(es)??

Yes, Boxxxy went for the easy push and ssbm_Kyouko questioned Boxxxy about it, which looks good for ssbm_Kyouko.

This feels like a reach, and possibly dishonest. Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

I'll share it, promise! Just not right now, it's too early to reveal my secrets, and as I said, it's a hassle and a half to explain and I wouldn't want to get in the way of your scumhunting, right?
However you can trust me. 90% sure Cyrus is scum here

VOTE: nomnomnom


In other news monkey moves to slight townlean.

jesus christ that was 6 pages in no time.

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for

two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild

. you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

wild cards are anti-town, calling yourself feels like trying to pre-deflect any scum reads people get of your plays.

VOTE: cyrus62

Also another name for this game is "werewolf" where the 'werewofl" or "wolf" is the mafia. Not entirely convinced that your wolf outrage was genuine.


My scumreads:

cyrus92
monkee

Townreads:

seanzie

Rest are null

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

i see kerset as more lay back town to be honest i wont vote them yet.

What is laid back town about Kerset?

Re: humaneatingmonkey

troll players are anti-town

Anti-town is not the same as scum. Quite early in the Day for policy as well which is what monkey would be at this point

Yeah yeah, I've had this argument many times in the past. In my experience people playing anti-town are more likely to flip scum.

Additionally I just dislike playing against troll players and will always policy them until the meta changes and we don't people to troll their way to day 2. So let it be known I support a policy on monkee unless they contribute more before end of day.

Cause I didn't even vote monkey, i just said I support a policy lim at end of day if they don't contribute more.

There are so many quotes and I've read them and I'm just not following. Can I have literally any annotation on these? It hurts my eyes trying to navigate these quote walls

I would have shared the tell already if it wasn't for the fact that 177 sent alarm bells to my brain, so instead I just decided to bait more to see what kind of reaction I'd get, and surely enough I got VOTE: 222 which might as well be a scumclaim from Boxxy at that point.

Can you share it for me?

here comes the spoon, Dwlee. it's an airplane. wide and open, chew and swallow so you grow up big and strong.

pedit:

DWLEE!!!

Boxxy is scum, part 1
Boxxy is scum, part 2

Homie you have the patience of a goldfish presented with fish food

[Dwlee99]

Homie just ISO me please[/quote]

Can you share it for me?

y'know what I'll share it when we lim boxxy out of this earth on day 2
that is if I make it to day 2 considering that i'm probably dying tonight for this day 1

There are so many quotes and I've read them and I'm just not following. Can I have literally any annotation on these? It hurts my eyes trying to navigate these quote walls

Okay then give me some time cause I'm not glued to this game

[Dwlee99]

Is it just cyrus-boxxy-dwlee that's why dwlee is trying so hard to play blind with me? I just called his townread scum. Wouldn't he be interested? Is he delaying until the next opportunity he can to strategize with this buddies?

If I wasn't interested I wouldn't be having this conversation at all. I don't gain anything from unannotated quote walls. It's not how I play the game. If I'm not seeing the pattern I'm not seeing it which is why I'm asking you to actually explain it rather than just post walls of quotes.

See I'll explain to you the difference between you and boxxy, dwlee, since it seems the reason you townread boxxy at this point is because you mindmeld with him about me not sharing my tell.
You have a good reason to ask for my tell and be annoyed that I won't reveal it because you think cyrus townslipped earlier and you think he's town, so you have a good reason to ask a player that has claimed has a scumtell on that same player.
Boxxy on the other hand has absolutely no reason to be annoyed with me because he scumread cyrus by default. At best he sees it that we agree on cyrus being scum, and at worst he's slightly annoyed that I won't reveal my tell, which is understandable. However voting me is an absolute scumclaim in this situation because it makes no sense within his progression and it just feels like he's trying to sell this read as voting what he considers to be anti-town, when he has established beforehand he has scumreads, on cyrus nonetheless. This is not a scumhunting mindset. Boxxy just isn't town here.

Okay this I can actually read, thanks. I'm gonna reread y'all's joint ISO and the interaction.

[Dwlee99]

If I wasn't interested I wouldn't be having this conversation at all. I don't gain anything from unannotated quote walls. It's not how I play the game. If I'm not seeing the pattern I'm not seeing it which is why I'm asking you to actually explain it rather than just post walls of quotes.

Okay Dwlee fair enough I will effort much further and put everything in a wall that has 0 subquotes. Would that be good?

Dude, you literally posted like 6 quotes in a row without any explanation. You could at least do the low-effort stuff I do like "weird vibes," "bad progression," etc.

[Dwlee99]

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

Is boxxy still scumreading cyrus? If so yea that looks bad but I haven't seen or don't remember that. In general I think changing your mind on a slot isn't alignment indicative unless it's a super weird shift. What specifically about the change on his monkey read did you not like?

Dude, you're slipping
256
264

Spoiler: EBWOP of 2 mistakes

let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagon

This is a super weird take? I've liked boxxy's posting a lot. I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.

What is your preferred wagon atm?

I'm trying to sort nom right now because our views on boxxxy are so incongruent

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

The post I mentioned here is wrong, should be 256 instead of 275.

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

It was meant to be like this:

Do you see my 275? I also think he is scummy.

Yes, you voted him.

I actually want to know what do you think? Don't you agree that the timing of his changing mind towards

humaneatingmonkey

is suspicious + he also vote

cyrus62

and still scumreading

nomnomnom

who also scumread

cyrus62

!

I'm confused? I looked at 275 cause that's what you told me to look at and didn't understand what about your question pointed towards scum!boxxy. I figured you were implying that him finding HEM's posting "legit" was scummy, which I don't agree with at all.

[Dwlee99]

Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.

VOTE: boxxy

[Dwlee99]

Okay, I'm clearly not the paragon of scumhunters given the game that just ended so I'll just take your word for it.

[Dwlee99]

Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.

VOTE: boxxy

What changed your mind?

On reread your problems with nom and your quick vote feel like a chainsaw defense and you were scumreading Cyrus which doesn't make sense together. Your actions are incongruent with your stated reads

Pedit: hem what's your deal here? I don't remember you being this... Ridiculous? in our previous games

[Dwlee99]

What's ridiculous in my posts, Dwlee? I'm playing the game.

Me and at least one other person have said your posts have been hard to parse or understand and you're being unusually sassy about it

[Dwlee99]

Me and at least one other person have said your posts have been hard to parse or understand and you're being unusually sassy about it

I'll explain post-game if you really want to, but if my posts have been hard-to-parse, I've already adjusted with a one-post no-quote breakdown. I assumed you've read that.

I did, and I appreciated that you put words in it. My issue before was you just quoted a series of posts and expected me to fit your exact brain spot together by myself which I don't think is reasonable.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: monkey quotes

My issue before was you just quoted a series of posts and expected me to fit your exact brain spot together by myself which I don't think is reasonable.

Those series of posts were also posts by me that explained those other quotes. I'm gonna guess you didn't even attempt to read it, and I understand.

I did attempt to read it and I'm p sure you just quoted like ten boxxy posts in a row with no comments

Dwlee, you should understand, Seanzie could be scum trying to sympathize with your dislike for my formatting to say that i was scum and to invalidate the case against boxxy. have you considered that?

Did I miss Sean saying you were scum for it? I don't think the way you formatted those posts invalidate the argument so if scum!Sean is trying to do this I feel like it'll be wildly unsuccessful.

Seanzie made a comment that I was hard to follow, even after the point that I've already laid it out.

If you've read my ISO, Dwlee, I've already put words into my stuff before. I've already broken this down. You just missed it.

No, I know you've done it since. My point was that the earlier stuff was hard for me to follow and understand and you're being very stubborn about it and I don't get why.

[Dwlee99]

I'm impressed with your formatting. Well done.

[Dwlee99]

That's for monkey and Sean.

[Dwlee99]

If that's real that sounds like a good role so
UNVOTE:
at least for now but probably for longer.

[Dwlee99]

you think someone would do that? go in a mafia game and lie?

this is unthinkable

I'm reading this as soon as I wake up and it's so funny in this mental state

[Dwlee99]

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

[Dwlee99]

I think we let it be for day one but I understand your concerns.

[Dwlee99]

I just finished a game where town got no investigation roles, but I also think there could be a second investigative role too.

[Dwlee99]

Hello monkey1. Do you think Cyrus is evil? I feel pretty good about catching the townslip and I'd like to hear your thoughts if you disagree. 3 is still not E-1 in a newbie but the explanation of "oh I thought I was in a newbie" is the slip.

[Dwlee99]

Hello monkey1. Do you think Cyrus is evil? I feel pretty good about catching the townslip and I'd like to hear your thoughts if you disagree. 3 is still not E-1 in a newbie but the explanation of "oh I thought I was in a newbie" is the slip.

Is this addressed to me? Cyrus can still be scum who forgot about how many players it needs to elim him, but the pressure of being possibly in E-1 gave him a panic. The amount of players it needs to eliminate you is shared information by scum and town, not just town. You can make this mistake as town, and you can still make this mistake as scum.

Monkey1 is Almost50, sorry
I get this but I thought it was specifically that he thought he was in a newbie. The second sentence is more @salsa but I might be misremembering.

[Dwlee99]

Oh you're right. He just says he got used to newbies. I'm still wondering if it is town-indicative because the 3 scum thing would remind you that it isn't a newbie but also there could be a traitor and that could make him think he is in a newbie scum team?

[Dwlee99]

Oh you're right. He just says he got used to newbies. I'm still wondering if it is town-indicative because the 3 scum thing would remind you that it isn't a newbie but also there could be a traitor and that could make him think he is in a newbie scum team?

the 12 player VC could also remind him that it isn't a newbie, or the "it takes 7 to eliminate" can also remind him that it isn't a newbie, or the "mini normal 2216" in the top of the thread could also remind him that it isn't a newbie. i wouldn't hold stock to this, because it's not a specific-to-town mistake.

Okay yea I think I may have been reading into it too much

@Dwlee99

, how often you are playing here? Your joining year is 2015 but didn't see you much before.

I stopped playing in the beginning of 2017, played I think once in 2018, and just started playing again in May.

[Dwlee99]

What is Cyrus at vote-count-wise?

[Dwlee99]

What is Cyrus at vote-count-wise?

E-2 according to last VC

Okay I'll wait but I'm okay throwing this slot into the sun if only because of style.

[Dwlee99]

Good hammer monkey2

[Dwlee99]

P sure that's a scum claim from Cyrus
VOTE: Cyrus

[Dwlee99]

Boxxy result?

[Dwlee99]

It was Cyrus mimicking something.

[Dwlee99]

Bambi you have any reads list?

[Dwlee99]

Cyrus scum claimed, I put him out of his misery. That was really all I got out of the day other than some town reads because it happened so fast. Off the top of my head: Salsa, nom, and monkey are my locktown.

[Dwlee99]

Super Smash Bros Melee?

[Dwlee99]

I thought Cyrus townslipped but I think he just didn't know what to do as scum.

[Dwlee99]

I thought Cyrus townslipped but I think he just didn't know what to do as scum.

One thing I know about you, you fall for them slips way too often (town and scum slips alike)

If you listened to your gut on that Tris scum slip you thought you caught I'd actually have a win since coming back to mafia.

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

huh

[Dwlee99]

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

huh

[Dwlee99]

I don't think the guilty is serious and I'm not going to take it seriously until Bambi says it is.

[Dwlee99]

What is even happening this game? I'm so lost

[Dwlee99]

If this is a fake guilty you should really say it now.

[Dwlee99]

Intent if Bambi claims it is real.

[Dwlee99]

:I

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: HEM

>I< have a guilty on this. Bambi was just playing -as she always does- but she overdid it. Like, if she had a guilty ("Can Kill") she couldn't possibly have thought she could actually catch the "other scum" because that other scum must have already killed (since we did catch the 3rd on D1). I dunno how any of you would take that seriously with that kind of slip.

Letting it play makes me think nom may still be "bad town" here, because HEM's 856 says both Bambi & Boxxy are TOWN.

@Seanzie: You may want to do as I said.. ISO THEM THREE, and you may get where I'm coming from. Also ISO me

No, I have a guilty ON YOU

[Dwlee99]

Almost50 is scum claiming. Flip me and see.

Okay?
VOTE: hem

[Dwlee99]

Given how hard almost has been softing it I believe him.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
I'm commuting and so I'm just gonna unvote

[Dwlee99]

I'm wondering if scum were somehow informed of the existence of the psychologist making boxxy think to claim detective or maybe I'm overthinking it

[Dwlee99]

Gonna try to look over the ISOs when I get a time slot to focus on that sort of thing for an extended period of time @nom

[Dwlee99]

Uhh... what are the rules on this site about mentioning things from ongoing games? Like, I know clearly people in those games can't talk about them directly, but if I have something that I just found in an ongoing game that is relevant to this game, can I share that?

No you can't do that.

[Dwlee99]

What is this with someone's role clearing boxxy?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so I'm gonna start working on doing some ISOs throughout the morning. Before I start though, I don't know if I agree with you on 975 that Cyrus is a good actor. I think this will impact my reread of the wagon so could you explain why?

[Dwlee99]

I was gonna read the ISOs for the Sean/Salsa thing but apparently we just aren't worried about that anymore?

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

Sure!

VOTE: cyrus62

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

there we go. so whos up for a wild game. or do you prefer a slow burn?

Sixth!

No vote?
Hmmm suspicious.
pedit:
he knows what he did

Nope, I'm too scared to vote because then you'll see my TMI.

I want to see your TMI

Too bad.

If this is the team it would have to masterful scum theater. Don't find this likely at all as the solve.

[Dwlee99]

Non fluff though, current reads:

Cyrus - wolf

Everyone else who has posted thus far - Town

Aahahaha.....
You rolled scum, aren't you?

Okay what the fuck

[Dwlee99]

I would never do something this ballsy, so I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of other people doing it.

[Dwlee99]

What is being suggested though is that at the beginning of the game, scum!Sean immediately pushed Cyrus, and then Salsa and Cyrus counter bussed him, and the day culminated in Cyrus getting hard bussed by both Sean and Salsa. Calling each of the scum buddies scum to start the game just seems like way more attention than scum should want.

[Dwlee99]

@nom, monkey
I'll look at Sean's home site scum meta eventually cause I think if he doesn't do it there he doesn't do it here.

I agree with Bambi and think that the a50 claim makes Boxxy's claim very likely to be true. The only way it isn't imo is either an a50 + boxxy team or the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

[Dwlee99]

the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

we would have gotten a hard counterclaim

Wdym? I mean if scum were informed of a psychiatrist they could have thought "oh hey let's claim detective cause it'll look like it fits in the setup"

[Dwlee99]

That scumteam (pedit: a50 + boxxy) doesn't seem likely to me because they'd both have to claim roles that link together setup-wise and risk getting destroyed during massclaim when people are figuring out the setup "theme."

the scum were informed of the existence of the psychiatrist.

we would have gotten a hard counterclaim

However I find that unlikely, as informing the scumteam that there's a psychologist basically makes the role way less possible.

Agreed: I think boxxy and a50 are both town.

[Dwlee99]

I am tempted to lolhammer only cause yesterday I hit scum with it but I'm not comfortable voting there until I can read Seanzie's scum games (which requires getting admin approval to sign up on the forum apparently??)

[Dwlee99]

I am tempted to lolhammer only cause yesterday I hit scum with it but I'm not comfortable voting there until I can read Seanzie's scum games (which requires getting admin approval to sign up on the forum apparently??)

and you also care about claim... i hope

Cyrus didn't get to claim but that case was a little different so yeah that's important.

I don't believe you need to read his scumgames to establish he is very likely scum here.
There are multiple things that corroborates this:

• Cyrus likes to distance with scumpartners. One of cyrus' very early game interaction was Sean.
  
• If boxxy is town, then his interaction regarding boxxy, which was to basically using him to discredit both me and HEM (especially me) and yet say "I still don't trust you!" is incredibly scummy oriented, as it creates a paranoia situation towards the 3 slots.
  
• Sean has a legitimate reason to NK kyouko here. Not only because it would leave town!boxxy alive (which me and HEM were adamant on pushing) but also because Kyouko established a significant threat to scum!sean

That's a lot of things pointing towards scum!sean here.

Mind you, a lot of these points also apply to Salsabil.

Salsabil I have a townread on because she seems like she genuinely is hunting / caught scum!Cyrus and I'm not voting there today l.

I mean I see your points on Sean but seeing how he acts as scum normally is super important to know if he would make a ballsy play like immediately try to kill his scum buddy, even if I normally hate meta.

[Dwlee99]

Oh when I hammered I missed the claim. Just saw self-vote + flailing nonsense + there was some post that was like "I lost cause I'm in to (sic) many games" and another saying "gg town you played well" or something.

Intent to hammer.

homie you a doublevoter?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Almost50
I don't believe the claim anymore. Universal backup + what is pretty much bulletproof bodyguard + psychologist + detective is too much. I believe Boxxy's claim because it came before a50's, but I just got burned by scum fake claiming power roles that seemed to fit into the setup but didn't.

[Dwlee99]

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Almost50
I don't believe the claim anymore. Universal backup + what is pretty much bulletproof bodyguard + psychologist + detective is too much. I believe Boxxy's claim because it came before a50's, but I just got burned by scum fake claiming power roles that seemed to fit into the setup but didn't.

I kind of not sure about that, not good at game mechanics..... but if

boxxy

is really a tpr, then why can't we have 2 investigations roles?+ he needs to provide his night action today +

boxxy

's night action.

I mean it's strictly possible nom no-targeted and he got targeted but I don't think we are living in that reality.

[Dwlee99]

Quote+ cache strikes again.

[Dwlee99]

We're losing people like flies. And we lost our Protective and appearantly our second protection.

VOTE: HumanEatingMonkey

Eliming the person who ruthlessly hammered just before I unvoted is my plan today. Who fucking hammers a PR claim with 6 days left?

It might just be refuge in audacity but I don't think that is what is happening here. A50's vote on Sean looks sus af too after he spent all of day one calling Sean his #1 townread.

[Dwlee99]

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

He didn't even have a chance to crumb since he would've just gotten to role of BG unexpectedly. Though we can probably assume they either shot someone he townread or he protected on of the invest claims. Probably Box if anything.

Oh right, I was for some reason thinking he would have had the role sooner than he did.

[Dwlee99]

if sean flips town then it's almost certain that one of A50 and boxxy are lying. Boxxy has more chances to be scum in that world.
We need that high info flip and then the game is pretty much solved at that point.

This post actually makes me think he didn't protect boxxy.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe a50 got protected
UNVOTE:
I think nom has to pick one of the power role claims there, no reason to protect a VT. Not sure if he protected boxxy or a50 but I still don't like a50's day play or claim.

[Dwlee99]

My last mini had a person that just quickhammered everything. They were mafia. I don't think that is quite the same situation here but I definitely see your point Bambi.

[Dwlee99]

Is it just me or does Kerset seem eager to shift attention elsewhere?

From where? Himself?

[Dwlee99]

I don't think anyone is really taking Salsa's case on him seriously so not really.

[Dwlee99]

It's not that the case isn't serious, it's that I don't find it convincing.

[Dwlee99]

Show me what he's done to be trusted enough he can't be townie after quick hammering our Bodyguard AFTER they claimed. Why is that not a scum move in your eyes?

Tbh when i saw Seanzie post without checking the flip i was sure it was fake

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

[Dwlee99]

I don't want to spew too many of my thoughts on it until a50 visits the thread so I'm waiting for him.

[Dwlee99]

Is this a real guilty this time?

Nomnom must have protected whoever got attacked. If we figure out who (or he crumbed it) then we will get a clear out of it.

How would nom crumb a target when they only knew Seanzie was that role AFTER the thread got locked?

We figured this out a few posts down from that one lol

[Dwlee99]

Which game are you referencing? The C9++ game or the tic-tac-toe?

Pedit: @almost

[Dwlee99]

Which game are you referencing? The C9++ game or the tic-tac-toe?

Pedit: @almost

tic-tac-toe

You changed your mind in the middle of day phase that time though which I feel like is different.

[Dwlee99]

What scum team would want to kill a50 over anyone else? It only makes sense to me if boxxy is evil, but unless mafia is informed of the psychologist, claiming detective would be way too lucky to guess.

[Dwlee99]

HEM why are you so sure a50 was the protect? Or at least not boxxy?

[Dwlee99]

Maybe we should ignore the target because it is very possible nom decided on something overnight that he didn't agree with before he was bodyguard.

[Dwlee99]

HEM why are you so sure a50 was the protect? Or at least not boxxy?

nomnomnom doesn't buy boxxy, so not boxxy. nomnomnom doesn't completely buy a50 either, but someone has made the observation that there hasn't been any PR crumbs from anyone. it's questionable for scum to kill anyone but town!boxxy or town!Almost50 who has claimed investigative.

so it's either scum went straight for nomnomnom or they killed A50 and nomnomnom protected A50.

I'm just trying to dispel the narrative that I would belong to a team that would kill A50 or nomnomnom.

I highly doubt nom wouldn't pick anyone. It would be smarter to pick someone he doesn't think would get killed so that he at least becomes bulletproof.
So following that reasoning, you think a50 is completely clear? I don't trust him on play and don't want to let him win on an assumption that nom protected him.

[Dwlee99]

@HEM who would you kill as scum last night then

There's no way a50 AND boxxy are evil unless we have missing power roles. Do we want to mass claim?

[Dwlee99]

Wrong q+ smh

[Dwlee99]

I wouldn't go so far as to say always but I'm going to be pushing for one before MYLO at the very least. I think now makes too.

[Dwlee99]

It seems like they got what they wanted out of it considering the entire push on Seanzie...

[Dwlee99]

Almost50
HEM
Max?
T3 remains elusive to me as always.

[Dwlee99]

There is no way you're a 1-shot vig lmao

[Dwlee99]

I guess we aren't supposed to discuss to the end: VT

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee are you scumreding max based upon your list?

HEM is conditional on boxxy alignment but I think Boxxy is town so I think HEM is scummy for pushing there. Max hasn't done anything which is why there is a question mark there. Could be that they're coasting or just haven't had a chance to play and it looks like we get to find out soon

[Dwlee99]

Anyway, we're not in MYLO. If this was fake guilty, we can still go after A50. Otherwise, I've resolved all my hesitations. VOTE: boxxy

Think again. Like, what if it's a fake guilty from a monkey?? You'd be executing a TPR and then losing a townie overnight, and then executing the other TPR (that's be me) and then lose another townie at night, and you would be in a 3-2 EyLo already. Wouldn't you??

Let me give you a tip on how to go from here: You use the fact that I didn't even vote my own guilty against me. You push for my lim (and believe me you would have had support from most townies). Then you shoot boxxy at night.

VOTE: HEM

@DWlee: Does this answer your question in 1284??

I dunno..

Kerset
Foxy
Salsabil??

Well I'm not too sure about Salsabil. She's been more away than actually playing, but I also think that is a scum trait of hers. I don't want to accuse her of using IRL as a tctical reason to hide though, so I got mixed feelings here.

???

[Dwlee99]

I thought the lists were who we thought could be evil.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99 but why does max make the list over T3?

T3 is an honorary member of the list

[Dwlee99]

Can we get a50 to just lock himself into a claim? Same with Bambi? I hate this fake claim bs, it is making it impossible to figure out the setup.

[Dwlee99]

Okay then we are just waiting on a50 to give us a serious answer. I still don't jive with the theory that nom targeted him because I can't figure out which scum team would choose to kill him there (except MAYBE a boxxy team but still a psychologist could just be left alive anyway). And I don't think boxxy is evil because he would have had to guess the setup or have been informed of a psychologist, which I don't think happens if the town power doesn't include the detective.

[Dwlee99]

HEM why do you think Bambi is scummy for trusting boxxy but you don't find me scummy for the same thing?

[Dwlee99]

Also what made you change your mind on who you think nom targeted? Am I misremembering when I think you said that you thought nom targeted a50?

[Dwlee99]

I feel good about monkey I think. Maybe I'm being buddied but the answers to my questions were basically exactly what I wanted.

[Dwlee99]

Salsa can you read everything before you do certain things. Like half of your posts are answered by continuing to read.

[Dwlee99]

PoE pool:
T3 (I'm listing him just to say that I'm not including him in the PoE because I'm choosing to trust hem's read)
Almost50
Bambi JAy
MaxTheFox
Kerset

I think eliminating in the order a50 > Bambi > Max > Kerset wins the game.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: A50
I still hate your push on Seanzie after how strongly you townread him day 1 and I agree with Kerset that you seem to be getting out of the claim because people weren't buying it.

[Dwlee99]

Almost, what Monkey does he got? He's avoiding the question and won't play with me even though he's a "troll" player.

I am letting him play it all out until he hangs himself with his own tail.

FTR, ISO me vs him. See my reaction to his entrance. I may have lightened up a little since, but it doesn't mean I have him as a "clear".

BTW, my Full read list looks like this:

Definitely TOWN

:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay

Possibly Town

(have some reservations/paranoia):
Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria

Null:

T3, MaxTheFox

Scummy

:
humaneatingmonkey

SCUM

:
nomnomnom


I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.

Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio. T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y. Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)?? Who finally gave up and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.

VOTE: 3 noms

Idk why the link didn't work, but clearly I want you to respond to my questions in Post #852.

Too much effort for no gain at all, unless you missed that I changed my mind already

VOTE: Almost50

Idc if you've changed your mind. You should explain yourself. Since you seem to not be able to, I feel like the only logical choice here is that you are just scum.

Cool, cool. Might as well give in and let nom take the lead here.

VOTE: Seanzie

Apparently I misremembered because it was the same day you went from townreading Seanzie to just OMGUSing him.

[Dwlee99]

It's definitely scummy to turn on a VT TR of mine

Correct

The other angle here is you could have known he wasn't a VT somehow (rolecop, vanilla cop, etc.). It doesn't really matter either way though, because your flip in your read leading to voting and staying on his wagon doesn't make any sense for a normal progression. Why did you change your mind on him?

[Dwlee99]

I don't get what you're seeing in a50 or thinking I'm sheeping monkey. I went along with one read towards very early in the game (on you) but other than that I feel like I've disagreed with monkey a lot. I didn't like the Sean push and I have wanted to get a50 this day phase while monkey started out wanting to murderize you.

[Dwlee99]

I don't have a completed scum game on site since I think 2017ish so not really. I can send you links to old games though if you want to read through me being 14 or 15 though lol

[Dwlee99]

My last 3 scum games on site

Mafia in a Grand Idea uPick

Culted N1

Mafia Traitor

[Dwlee99]

What do you mean by that?

[Dwlee99]

Oh, no. I don't think I ever really replaced out of games.

[Dwlee99]

...Can I trust you to be not scum this time? I have a strong townread on you based on play, but since I have no idea what kind of scum player you would be, it makes me nervous. It would be pretty embarrassing if you were just playing the best scum game ever.

I won a scummy for being good at scum but no I'm not

[Dwlee99]

I won a scummy for being good at scum but no I'm not

I've been looking at your site topics. Let's say for the sake of argument that you were scum more recently, what would be the more obvious blindspots that you could improve on in your scum play that's otherwise missing in your town play?

Maybe getting town eliminated? I think that is the same as with town games though cause it always feels like a struggle to get my preferred elimination through

[Dwlee99]

Does anyone have any thoughts on a50's Seanzie sudden read change?

[Dwlee99]

Like Bambi, I can read your town case on him but I'm not convinced by it at all and I think it just looks like he got caught trying to claim a power role.

[Dwlee99]

Max's tone feels genuine, I'd much rather throw the short monkey off the train

[Dwlee99]

Invests or no invests doesn't really change that a combined bodyguard hider and universal backup would be completely underpowered and we need at least another role in here. I'm pretty sure boxxy is just town, and I'm willing to bet the game on that.

[Dwlee99]

Bambi, since you disagree can you respond to my points about a50's Seanzie read?

[Dwlee99]

I'll do you one better monkey
VOTE: Almost50
Goodnight

[Dwlee99]

I don't see how anyone can make a towntell out of nothing, which is T3 ISO.

Let me -once again- try to confuse the hell out of you all:

If I'm Scum then my Scum!core would be Bambi, Monkey, T3, Dwlee, and -of course- boxxy.
Scum!me would want to mislim in Megan (Fox), Kerset & Salsabil. I would like to start with Megan first though.

The quote? It has nothing to do with what I'm saying here. I just wanted to go back to where I last read with a simple click (on the post number).

This makes me think we are getting a red flip.
Bambi hammer seems like desperation to not be turbo'd tomorrow on associatives.

[Dwlee99]

This makes me think we are getting a red flip.

With all due respect, that's only because you're bad at this game and you have never improved an inch in 6 years (since we did play together in 2015 or 2016). Stick to Newbie games, my friend.

Jesus Christ dude, wtf?

[Dwlee99]

Forgets a week ago when I caught 2/3rds of his scum team on day one

[Dwlee99]

I think eliminating in the order a50 > Bambi > Max > Kerset wins the game.

Still stand by this

[Dwlee99]

I think eliminating in the order a50 > Bambi > Max > Kerset wins the game.

Still stand by this

As long as we're in agreement about Bambi and Max.

What about them specifically?

[Dwlee99]

Yes that is the order. A50 > Bambi > Max > Kerset
I think Salsa is town and don't see a need to revisit that.

[Dwlee99]

If only y'all could night kill us both lol

[Dwlee99]

Does almost troll as scum when he dies? Maybe we are getting pranked. Probably still Bambi as his partner even if he is

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99 shouldn't your future choices depend on a50 flip?

Bambi is scum regardless of the flip I think. If a50 is scum it looks like trying to get credit for a scum elimination because she knows how tightly coupled they were. If a50 is town I think the reasons are obvious. Beyond that, if a50 is town then I'm looking for a Bambi partner which I think max makes sense for.

[Dwlee99]

Where do I fit in those classifications?

[Dwlee99]

Lol saved us the time
VOTE: Maxy
Think this is most likely to flip buddy.

[Dwlee99]

Why Kerset > Salsa here?

[Dwlee99]

Wait there is no way we only have one miselim left.

[Dwlee99]

Ah you're right. Well I agree on Max today but I want to sort T3/Kerset/Salsa before hammer.

If vig is one-shot, he should claim now to avoid a CC in ELo.

Agreed

[Dwlee99]

Salsa did have a "did not kill" result from boxxy though, which at least gives a good shot of her not being evil.

[Dwlee99]

Oh yeah with two goon flips we are almost sure to have the last one be a power role.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think Salsa is scum here. I've thought she was town since end day one and I just don't think I'm going to change on that.
Can you talk about your read on Kerset? I've felt kind of null on the slot the whole game so I wanna see where your townread is coming from.

[Dwlee99]

I still need to do some reading but makes sense

[Dwlee99]

Jesus. Please make sure T3 checks in first.

[Dwlee99]

Never elim:
Salsa unless CC
Monkey

Townlean?:
Kerset (this is a phenomenon called sheeping a monkey, I also like her tonally today)

Scum in here:
Max
T3

[Dwlee99]

Jesus. Please make sure T3 checks in first.

I'm not voting anyone atm. You can unvote ig.

Only person that would prematurely hammer here is Max which is a scum claim anyway.

[Dwlee99]

Only person that would prematurely hammer here is Max which is a scum claim anyway.

?

[Dwlee99]

I will prematurely hammer her 90% if she reaches E-1. The 10% is the rational voice saying "Maybe you should wait for T3"

Oh I thought you were already on the wagon and we were at E-1, please wait. I don't want to deal with a mechanical 50/50 in ELO like last time.

[Dwlee99]

This is why this forum needs a sob emoji because what is even happening

[Dwlee99]

I realized I was late for something I had at 12:00 on zoom.

Timestamps match up at least

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure we just win from the PoE here. I don't think monkey can be evil because of interactions with Bambi, salsa is now confirmed, leaving Max/Kerset/T3. I feel good on Kerset tonally today and I can trust monkey since he is so confident here. That leaves Max and T3. If tomorrow ends up happening then I'll probably have some degree of paranoia over Kerset but I think we just win here.

T3 I want to talk to you about your HEM scum(lean?) because I think he has been extremely townie since day 3.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like the associatives are stronger between Bambi and max than Bambi and T3 and so would rather Lim there. I also think Max has said the words "you can vote me off" or something similar which always make me want to throw people off the train.

[Dwlee99]

We lose if we miselim twice.

[Dwlee99]

H

[Dwlee99]

I still think we will save a lot of heartache by just yeeting max first.

[Dwlee99]

Now that two people have done the "when I flip do this" routine and only one of them can be evil it seems like the tell isn't foolproof.

[Dwlee99]

If you're confident enough on town!kerset I am around to hammer (but will be eating soon)

[Dwlee99]

Bambi seemed desperate to me but I guess it isn't too important

[Dwlee99]

Brug

[Dwlee99]

Ahhhhh
VOTE: T3
Is it over

[Dwlee99]

And Max wasn't?

[Dwlee99]

I'm just hoping the "failed fakehammer" was a scum claim cause I don't want to be paranoid over Kerset

[Dwlee99]

When are we getting new emojis so I can properly express my emotions

[Dwlee99]

T3 = troll. You're sure on kerset?

[Dwlee99]

Im like 99% sure you're town and 75% on Kerset.

I want to do more reading before making a decision though. And at least everyone checking in

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Cyrus Monkey Day One Exchange

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

its not very good to accidentally eliminate a town pr. so maybe you believe it?

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

I think its true I don't think any one like that day1 and no ones countering so ofc its true

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

I think its true I don't think any one like that day1 and no ones countering so ofc its true

Lie like that d1.

Lie like that d1.

Can you elaborate on how this would be a particularly fantastic lie? What would you expect from a d1 fakeclaim?

I don't think it's fake. I ment why would he lie like that. I think boxy is telling the truth.

Lie like that d1.

Can you elaborate on how this would be a particularly fantastic lie? What would you expect from a d1 fakeclaim?

I don't think it's fake. I ment

why would he lie like that

. I think boxy is telling the truth.

Yes, I know you don't think it is fake. I'm asking you why.

Lie like

what?

That is what I am asking. What is special about his claim that makes it not likely a lie? Is it the claim itself, or is it your read on the slot? If it is the claim itself that looks genuine, what would you expect a D1 fakeclaim to look like?

I have no idea what a fakeclaim would look like. I moded a game and never seen that role. I think the role is real.

I moded a game and never seen that role. I think the role is real.

Hmm

i dont know i think cyrus is telling the truth!

i really dont like liars cyrus so can you please promise me that the role is real

if you promise me i will shut up

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.


Edit.I cannot promise that the role is real.

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.

worse for who, cyrus?

Ment a pr sorry phone fixes everything.

oh no!

i really hate it when my phone does that

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.

worse for who, cyrus?

town and poor box.

are you sad for box, cyrus

Like I said I buy boxs story. Your looking scummy. But if you want to lynch box go ahead but if they flip town pr. Don't blame me.

why am i scummy cyrus? im trying to talk to you because i want to believe box

i dont want to lynch town pr

are you sad for box, cyrus

yes cause no one believes him even when he's telling the truth.

i dont want to lynch town pr

Then don't. Earth to box it's not my place to defend you. Prove to them your not lieing

okay so if it's not box who would you vote for? who is scum? i want to follow you

I need to wait till tomorrow when I'm back at my pc.

at the top of your head, no need for cases, cyrus. who do you think is most likely to be scum if it's not box?

at the top of your head, no need for cases, cyrus. who do you think is most likely to be scum if it's not box?

Sean is my top my scum read.

I'm clearing Monkey for this interaction. I think it is self-explanatory, but this interaction made Cyrus look megabad iirc and I don't think scum!monkey does that to his buddy

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Day One Kerset and Cyrus Exchanges

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

rvs votes dont mean nothing for one for two im a wild card . so i tend to make games wild . you seem to be trying to hard relax and have fun gee. we just started . you will see me casting votes every where when i think people are scum . even when i said they were town. plus no two games of mine are the same.

cyrus got scared, pressure worked well

scared no . angry yes i was trying to have fun and he went that rout .

VOTE: Boxy for being to box like

Was this vote a meme or what? Before and later you seem to believe in him.

VOTE: Boxy for being to box like

Was this vote a meme or what? Before and later you seem to believe in him.

it was me attempting a shitpost.

can we get a flip already.

flip yourself

can we get a flip already.

flip yourself

bite me.

I think that these also look at least decent. Not as good as HEM, but I get the vibe that Kerset is looking to sort Cyrus here.

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Max the Fox and Cyrus Day One things

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

This is all we got from max/Cyrus about each other on day one which is basically nothing to form associatives on

[Dwlee99]

I'd rather have more town voices here to make a decision than let someone die here. I also don't think scum!Kerset argues here that we should no lim with it looking like we are going towards max unless it is an assurance play.

Dwlee what is your history with kyouko?

I think only ongoing games but I'll double check

[Dwlee99]

Okay unless I played with Kyo in 2016/2017 I'm pretty sure only ongoing games.

[Dwlee99]

cyrus62 has been executed by majority vote, they were a...

Spoiler: Flip

Mafia Goon

Night 1 Begins! It will end in (expired on 2021-06-17 12:29:08)

Rathe

is being replaced due to failing to confirm.

Bambi Jay

replaces Rathe

I went back to check and Bambi replaced in about two hours after day one. I want to check if Bambi has history with Kyo

[Dwlee99]

A search of "ssbm_Kyouko" on Bambi's thread list isn't showing up with anything but at least this game should show up so I think I have to manually look

[Dwlee99]

Okay I think I've checked every mafia game Bambi was in and I don't see any with Kyo

[Dwlee99]

Going to bed now. I feel p confident it is Max based on what I've reread so far + the night kill thing but I am gonna read through Bambi + individual ISOs sometime after I wake up

[Dwlee99]

Doesn't that hammer it?

[Dwlee99]

I really hope you're not American with your sleep schedule because I should not be up right now. I'm not done doing my reading for associatives and I'm not doing it with thread locked cause I can't q+ and preview

[Dwlee99]

Ah okay so it's the afternoon for you. That's good. I'm going back to bed, maybe I'll do it in 2 hours when I wake up for work but I want to do my reading and I can't save progress without being able to Q+ and preview the posts. Max also hasn't checked in yet.

[Dwlee99]

The key word was "back," I woke up way too early the first time. Kerset what is your confidence in town!monkey?

[Dwlee99]

Actually that question is dumb if we are no-eliminating.

[Dwlee99]

Broseph

[Dwlee99]

All of my reading so far agrees with you I just don't want to miss anything here. Like I should probably look into kerset's history with Kyo.

[Dwlee99]

Good luck convincing anyone of that lol

[Dwlee99]

What do you think of the interactions I quoted from monkey and Cyrus?

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Cyrus Monkey Day One Exchange

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

its not very good to accidentally eliminate a town pr. so maybe you believe it?

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

I think its true I don't think any one like that day1 and no ones countering so ofc its true

cyrus what do you think about boxxy right now? i want to believe his claim but maybe you can convince me

I think its true I don't think any one like that day1 and no ones countering so ofc its true

Lie like that d1.

Lie like that d1.

Can you elaborate on how this would be a particularly fantastic lie? What would you expect from a d1 fakeclaim?

I don't think it's fake. I ment why would he lie like that. I think boxy is telling the truth.

Lie like that d1.

Can you elaborate on how this would be a particularly fantastic lie? What would you expect from a d1 fakeclaim?

I don't think it's fake. I ment

why would he lie like that

. I think boxy is telling the truth.

Yes, I know you don't think it is fake. I'm asking you why.

Lie like

what?

That is what I am asking. What is special about his claim that makes it not likely a lie? Is it the claim itself, or is it your read on the slot? If it is the claim itself that looks genuine, what would you expect a D1 fakeclaim to look like?

I have no idea what a fakeclaim would look like. I moded a game and never seen that role. I think the role is real.

I moded a game and never seen that role. I think the role is real.

Hmm

i dont know i think cyrus is telling the truth!

i really dont like liars cyrus so can you please promise me that the role is real

if you promise me i will shut up

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.


Edit.I cannot promise that the role is real.

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.

worse for who, cyrus?

Ment a pr sorry phone fixes everything.

oh no!

i really hate it when my phone does that

See im just. Makeing matters worse. If you want to lynch i or go for it . Now that they claimed scum will most likely kill them any way. Just saying.

worse for who, cyrus?

town and poor box.

are you sad for box, cyrus

Like I said I buy boxs story. Your looking scummy. But if you want to lynch box go ahead but if they flip town pr. Don't blame me.

why am i scummy cyrus? im trying to talk to you because i want to believe box

i dont want to lynch town pr

are you sad for box, cyrus

yes cause no one believes him even when he's telling the truth.

i dont want to lynch town pr

Then don't. Earth to box it's not my place to defend you. Prove to them your not lieing

okay so if it's not box who would you vote for? who is scum? i want to follow you

I need to wait till tomorrow when I'm back at my pc.

at the top of your head, no need for cases, cyrus. who do you think is most likely to be scum if it's not box?

at the top of your head, no need for cases, cyrus. who do you think is most likely to be scum if it's not box?

Sean is my top my scum read.

I'm clearing Monkey for this interaction. I think it is self-explanatory, but this interaction made Cyrus look megabad iirc and I don't think scum!monkey does that to his buddy

Max I want your opinion on this one

[Dwlee99]

Can I do my reading before we end day or no

[Dwlee99]

I'm not gonna be able to do it til after work ends tonight is the thing

[Dwlee99]

How much are you guys buying this? Do I really need to defend myself?

It wouldn't hurt

[Dwlee99]

Well the good thing about asking you to defend is I can check up my mental response to yours and see if our thoughts are similar, which which they are. Do you have history with Kyo?

[Dwlee99]

Kerset do you have history with Kyo?

[Dwlee99]

Max didn't you push a50 though?