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Post #18 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:36 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
In post 17, Pavowski wrote:Hi all! May the odds be in your favor, unless you're mafia, in which case, a plague on your house.
The gods have dictated that I should VOTE: Taco to kick things off, and so I shall. Even though I love your username.
@Shrek, if you use the "reply" button instead of the quick reply box at the bottom of the page, there's a button above the text window labeled "Vote" that will automatically format your vote -- you just put the player's name in between the tags.
ale skurwysyn, I was going to vote you first because of the use of a "v" in your username being egregious due to the lack of the letter in the Polish alphabet VOTE: Pavowski Won't let this stop me though!
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Post #19 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:37 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.
T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.
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Post #21 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:43 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
In post 20, Shrek wrote:i mean you can check my past posts and history on this site idk why id have a reason to lie about this stuff. ive been consistently active for a while i just havent played mafia. why do you think im an alt?
The way you came off in your posting thus far gave me that vibe, just noticed your join date which makes me realize I was wrong.
I'm guessing you are much more active offsite and you decided to start playing here just now.
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Post #25 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:45 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
In post 23, Shrek wrote:no this is just how i usually speak lmao. you can ask tris we've played games together before
also not really? most of my stuff is just survivor large social games in another part of this site which ive been playing since 2017 i just decided to give mafia a whirl. i havent played offsite in like actual years
Ah this is a bad omen if I'm misreading players with stuff like this already
I make 3 posts, two of them RVS. There's no way you can get a legit read on me based on that.
You come from epicmafia, why is it so crazy to have a snapread on someone based on intro posts to you? And in addition - Why do you believe its a "legit read" when I didn't back it up with a vote? Trying to follow your thought process, if town, here.
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Post #31 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:56 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
Decided after a meta redive I'm going to just ignore Dwlee for the early part of D1 because it seems they are shallow until a certain point. Almost let myself get worked up over the vote
In post 17, Pavowski wrote:Hi all! May the odds be in your favor, unless you're mafia, in which case, a plague on your house.
The gods have dictated that I should VOTE: Taco to kick things off, and so I shall. Even though I love your username.
@Shrek, if you use the "reply" button instead of the quick reply box at the bottom of the page, there's a button above the text window labeled "Vote" that will automatically format your vote -- you just put the player's name in between the tags.
^this is a wolf. <- this is a non-RVS read.
Careful, making early snapreads is illegal according to T3
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Post #45 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:07 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
In post 43, Shrek wrote:yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh
weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?
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Post #46 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:09 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.
In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.
In post 42, Taco Hemingway wrote:your analysis thus far has 0 basis in logic. I have no choice but to conclude you pulled those posts out of your ass.
In post 43, Shrek wrote:yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh
Lol! The juxtposition of these two posts:P
Taco, is Shrek also basing nothing in logic here? Shrek seems to think my assumption is fair, perhaps wrong, but fair. You seem to have the exact opposite opinion.
In post 43, Shrek wrote:yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh
weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?
In post 43, Shrek wrote:yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh
weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?
its an hour into day ooooone bro im not gonna get heated over a minor sus. its not like hes hard accusing or anything
And you aren't suspicious AT ALL how he reached that conclusion?"
Not a single bit?
Because you and I both know its a garbage conclusion. So I know you should have a similar POV based on that.
In post 46, Taco Hemingway wrote:I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.
In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.
It is a leap, sure, but it isn't a complete nonsense conclusion, and the point is to see how people react. So far, you are reacting very defensively.
Oh yeah?
Please tell me more
If you're scum here, I hope you know that picking a fight with me was a huge mistake and will be your undoing.
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Post #60 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:19 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
Seanzie, honest question that's important: what's the expected townie response to you when someone makes something up against them? What do you expect a townie to do in that situation.
I make 3 posts, two of them RVS. There's no way you can get a legit read on me based on that.
You come from epicmafia, why is it so crazy to have a snapread on someone based on intro posts to you? And in addition - Why do you believe its a "legit read" when I didn't back it up with a vote? Trying to follow your thought process, if town, here.
Oh hi koba.
That doesn't answer my question. And you shouldn't try to out alts until later, you should know that.
In post 59, Taco Hemingway wrote:Lmao just realized I'm not on my main and I can't just tell you to go search my meta and see for themselves what you think of how I'm playing so far.
Regardless, why point out I'm defensive? What's your intent with that?
I've already made my intention very clear. I'm seeing how you react.
So far you look like a wolf who is pissed off that you got called out early. It is possible I'm misreading the situation, and townies can get defensive too, but the way you're lashing out about it suggests that you aren't dispirited town, but instead are frustrated wolf.
I could be wrong, so feel free to town it up, but for now, you're going at the bottom of my list.
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Post #71 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:29 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
you're using ambiguous things that should be at best NAI to you in order to fake scumread me.
like your whole string of interactions towards me so far are just looking for ways to find me as scum - not to sort me.
I know what questions to ask to force the other person to leak their intentions and it worked. You not wanting to commit to a vote is even more egregious.
Reality favors me. The power of the Flip will always tell all.
Keep trying to discred me and see how far that takes you. You already scumclaimed to me.
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Post #73 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:31 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
Seanzie frantically realizing that reality is indeed on my side and their push looks terrible when I bring in the master piece that is my identity ........
Do you have anything other than OMGUS to back this up with?
I was evaluating if your push on me was in good faith or if it was made with intent to simply discredit me + be as uncharitable as possible towards me.
To boil it down to an OMGUS is disingenuous based on the lead up to the vote.
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Post #82 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:51 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?
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Post #85 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:53 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
In post 82, Taco Hemingway wrote:I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?
actually this goes for @T3 too who was town in that game and also voted my slot.
Do you have anything other than OMGUS to back this up with?
I was evaluating if your push on me was in good faith or if it was made with intent to simply discredit me + be as uncharitable as possible towards me.
To boil it down to an OMGUS is disingenuous based on the lead up to the vote.
If it isn't OMGUS, it is just because you don't understand common tactics. Overstating reads and pushes in the early game is a great way to get the game going. If you are town, I'd think you'd appreciate a move out of RVS, but I'm not sure you are town.
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Post #94 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:10 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
Stop trying to justify your push on me - like i dont give a shit. All I care is about boxing you into a position where you have no choice but to read me correctly.
Do you have anything other than OMGUS to back this up with?
I was evaluating if your push on me was in good faith or if it was made with intent to simply discredit me + be as uncharitable as possible towards me.
To boil it down to an OMGUS is disingenuous based on the lead up to the vote.
If it isn't OMGUS, it is just because you don't understand common tactics. Overstating reads and pushes in the early game is a great way to get the game going. If you are town, I'd think you'd appreciate a move out of RVS, but I'm not sure you are town.
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Post #103 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:16 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
So to answer truthfully - I fudged it a little. I thought genuinely that your question was a bit weird to have as a reply to anything, like a scum who tries to desperately look like they are solving right off the bat. It was something to latch onto to push off of and move the game forward. You are partially correct. It was a trumped up shade that was meant to elicit a reaction from you.
I find your immediate defensiveness from it and your recent doubling down towny.
In post 94, Taco Hemingway wrote:Stop trying to justify your push on me - like i dont give a shit. All I care is about boxing you into a position where you have no choice but to read me correctly.
This post doesn't fit with your narrative of "T3 scum"
You're caught and you're flailing.
In post 103, Taco Hemingway wrote:So to answer truthfully - I fudged it a little. I thought genuinely that your question was a bit weird to have as a reply to anything, like a scum who tries to desperately look like they are solving right off the bat. It was something to latch onto to push off of and move the game forward. You are partially correct. It was a trumped up shade that was meant to elicit a reaction from you.
I find your immediate defensiveness from it and your recent doubling down towny.
In post 82, Taco Hemingway wrote:I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?
I correctly read your slot until VFP replaced in + a fake guilty on the slot.
In post 1855, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: VFP
Rae, check in the three of me Sigmund and nero
In post 1862, Dwlee99 wrote:I really just thought VFP scum-claimed there. I played this game terribly though so oh well.
T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.
Do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on the first 2 posts?
If you are concluding that this is reasonable, but my push on you was not... well... idk what to say.
Your push and my gutread on entrance are not the same. Stop comparing it.
Why? Because my push actually had logic (albeit loose page 1 logic) behind it? I noticed a possible teammate interaction. I mentioned it in thread. You got super defensive about it, so I pushed more, and eventually you OMGUS'd me at the end of it. This is typical wolf behavior.
The only thing that gives me pause on my read is the fact that I know you can be very rude and arrogant as town, so some parts of your reaction can be explained by that. I will have to see how you play moving forward, but your T3 "gut read" (Is it a gut read? Calling T3 performative doesn't feel like a gut read, but an analysis of his posts) is bad, so 0 points from me there.
nah see u in spec chat once ur team has to kill me n1 <3
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Post #128 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:41 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
Link me a single game where you catch a "fake interaction" or fabricate an interaction like that yourself - shouldn't be hard if it was a legitimate read because clearly it would have to be based on something you saw before because its so wild and weird that it has to exactly involve those 2 scenarios, unless you completely made it up to doubly discred both of us.
And its not "typical wolf behavior." Now you're just straight attributing townleaning things as scummy - I'm not budging off your slot till either of us are dead.
Several people here have played with me here and know what I'm saying is true so indeed, reality will favor me in the end.
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Post #132 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:49 pm
Postby Taco Hemingway »
In post 128, Taco Hemingway wrote:Link me a single game where you catch a "fake interaction" or fabricate an interaction like that yourself - shouldn't be hard if it was a legitimate read because clearly it would have to be based on something you saw before because its so wild and weird that it has to exactly involve those 2 scenarios, unless you completely made it up to doubly discred both of us.
And its not "typical wolf behavior." Now you're just straight attributing townleaning things as scummy - I'm not budging off your slot till either of us are dead.
Several people here have played with me here and know what I'm saying is true so indeed, reality will favor me in the end.
Seanzie: I don't know how to expect a townie to react here
Also seanzie: i am so sure that taco is reacting like scum here
Nope, that isn't what I said at all. Townies can react in all sorts of ways, so I cannot enumerate all towny reactions for you. asking "how would a towny react in this situation?" is not a productive question since it is unanswerable.
Well generally, I expect a townie to react with defiance when accused of something that is implying they are scum. A scum would be much nicer because they know the accusation is true and thus seek to justify and placate.
This should be able to explain my most recent movements
In post 136, Taco Hemingway wrote:Looks like that game was WELL underway when the fake convo started.
I can cede that you can think of such a conclusion - but it's still wrong as hell.
A common tactic in this game is to overstate reads at the beginning of the game to get things started. I agree that my initial push on you had very little behind it. I wasn't making a lock!scum case, but trying to see how you and the thread react.
If you are town, who do you think reacted most opportunistically based on our spat?
In post 46, Taco Hemingway wrote:I don't genuinely believe that Seanzie actually made that kind of leap of logic in accusing Shrek and I of fake interactions.
In fact, my errors in how I perceived them should have tipped them off easily that this was a genuine interaction. It's a complete nonsense conclusion that is meant to discredit 2 people at once.
In post 42, Taco Hemingway wrote:your analysis thus far has 0 basis in logic. I have no choice but to conclude you pulled those posts out of your ass.
In post 43, Shrek wrote:yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh
Lol! The juxtposition of these two posts:P
Taco, is Shrek also basing nothing in logic here? Shrek seems to think my assumption is fair, perhaps wrong, but fair. You seem to have the exact opposite opinion.
In post 43, Shrek wrote:yeah thats a fair assumption to make tbh. it would be a good distancing tactic if it were the real thing so im fine with you thinking that until more info comes in. i know im town though so obviously i can confirm its wrong but i understand my word dont got much weight there. honestly im happy youre poking at stuff already tbh
weird reaction to someone who just called you scum, wouldn't you say?