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[Dragon of the West]

VOTE: Dwlee
Morning everyone. I hate Mondays

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there can be only 1 dragonboi

Damn, and here I was excited to have a dragon friend

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Dragon masons, no non-dragons allowed. New role, first time being used this game. Classic Gypyx innovation

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i don't think i'm even gonna bother reading that

33 was fucking briljant and i literally laughed my ass off and you know that

Dang from Dragon Masons to looking cornered in a few hours

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But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

Can't tell if sarcasm. Why would you real claim if that's your role

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Yeah I removed too much context from 83. 69 is what made it read bad

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But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

Can't tell if sarcasm. Why would you real claim if that's your role

why even ask this lol

You of all people know I'm frequently dumb, wrong, and confused

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But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

Can't tell if sarcasm. Why would you real claim if that's your role

why even ask this lol

You of all people know I'm frequently dumb, wrong, and confused

yeah but why even poke at a claim like that

I wasn't sure if he was just being sarcastic about the claim being real at all. His response also left me confused so I'll drop it I guess

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T3
ta vera

icon?

ydrasse

(Skitt, MT, dotw)

Titanic

Peta
Datisi
Dwlee

Are you listing ico as a townread here after raging that you

definitely

had them as a scumlean

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Is dragon of the west an alt?

Nah, I'm not an alt. Just haven't played much even though my account is old

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I mostly just avoided talking about nathann at all which is very different from here where I haven’t shied away from talking about icon at all

I'd qualify refusing to read the section people were scumreading ico for as shying away in some capacity

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Is that back to L-1?

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I called Datisi town immediately and then looked at the combined ISO's and put Icon at E-1. I'm obvious town.

This doesn't feel like the same T3 I just played with. Maybe it's because this game hasn't run off the rails like that one so they've kept up better but T3 pushing to be read as obv town just doesn't seem like their town style

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Not my proudest read but Mena pretty much locktown

This post from Titanic bothered me at the time. It felt like them saying Mena getting angry meant they're locktown was grasping at a reason to have a hard read on Mena when the anger didn't seem AI to me

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T3 once faked a guilty on groupscum as traitor lmao

Yeah but that was a calculated move, I had a reason for it. In Sibly's Elegy about 1/4 through Day 1 I was getting scumread so I decided to take the dive to give my partner's towncred. This game it was a mass of confusion and I do terribly in these scenarios.

It didn't seem like that much confusion D1...ico was pretty much always going to get limmed once they got to that L-2 and people were unvoted just to drag the day out a little. Besides Mena being mad there was a whole lot else going on

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I might be off after only playing one game with him but I'd like to push here
VOTE: T3

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Besides Mena being mad there *wasn't* a whole lot else going on

Fixing typo

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T3 once faked a guilty on groupscum as traitor lmao

Yeah but that was a calculated move, I had a reason for it. In Sibly's Elegy about 1/4 through Day 1 I was getting scumread so I decided to take the dive to give my partner's towncred. This game it was a mass of confusion and I do terribly in these scenarios.

It didn't seem like that much confusion D1...ico was pretty much always going to get limmed once they got to that L-2 and people were unvoted just to drag the day out a little. Besides Mena being mad there was a whole lot else going on

This isn't even close to true imo

There's many alternative universes where Ico returns, claims, and posts some towny stuff (which he's 100% capable of) to save himself

and then the wagon slowly dissipates and some random other joker is voted out end of day

I guess that's possible, but I really think Ico was getting limmed regardless. Dats wasn't voting when they got hammered and I would've voted if it wasn't already L-2. The votes were more than there. Also, the main point of my post was "there wasn't much confusion" and you aren't pointing to any confusion that already existed. You're just saying "if Ico came back other things could've happened" which isn't justification for T3 saying "this game it was a mass of confusion"

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My preferences are a T3 or Titanic lim today. I'd like to see skitter's catch up and responses to mena before fully judging there. Would consider compromising on ydrasse

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

why would he do that with ydra but the opposite with inconeum?

This seems like a weird line of questioning...I feel like it'd be pretty common to do combinations of bussing and/or defending different teammates...no reason to say "they didn't do the same thing to all teammates" especially as the game state changes

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what are we doing with this information exactly

I mean, without knowing the setup I feel like town knowing "scum has one PR" is valuable info in case it's relevant for a town PR. And if you don't think you're going to NK'd this game regardless then....why does sharing the info hurt?

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i see that dwlee and ta vera rlly couldve not voted ico if they wanted to but they killed him anyway

whereas dragon expressed suspicion but never actually acted on it

For the Ico lim it was more that I was ready to vote there when the wagon was around L-2 but waited to avoid a quick hammer but it happened anyway

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i understand that, but skitter was claiming that "scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her". so, i was asking why ydra is the one that would be likely to be bussed.

That makes more sense, thanks

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Is skit at L-2? Consider me voting skit...just trying to avoid the 3rd straight quick hammer

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ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

I feel like I must be missing something with how everyone is treating this slot

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My preferences are a T3 or Titanic lim today. I'd like to see skitter's catch up and responses to mena before fully judging there. Would consider compromising on ydrasse

This is pretty bad considering t3 conftown and skitter p much confscum

In what world was T3 conftown and then got limmed? Also, wanting someone to complete a catch up is a way to get content out of them and read them...not seeing that as a negative

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T3 is conftown now my dude, because he flipped and is scum

Yeah, thought you meant they were obvtown at the time. I guess my point is me voting someone who I didn't realize was town and then saying I'm waiting for someone to catch up so we can get content out of them and now I've stated I'm willing to vote them doesn't really seem like an actual reason to scumread me

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Also I'm assuming you had a brain fart to say "flipped and is scum"

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Pushing three people who were all viable mislims if

ydra

and titanic are town

Bolding mine. Homie you've been raging that this slot is scum going on 3 days this is such a wild take

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Anyway, who’s scum, DotW?

Tbh, I'm kinda lost on everyone's claims and which ones have been confirmed. I'm not treating claims as town by default so with a grain of salt in case I missed something that's confirmed:
Skitter is probs scum
I don't feel good about your or Peta's slot (recently how Peta is saying he might not use his night action for fear of messing up other interactions bothered me)
Dwlee feels off this game but he might just be less active
Ydra - I really have no read on at all...because the play from that slot is ridiculous and I don't think benefits town but I also think that sometimes town plays weird/shitty

Pedit: too many posts since I started typing, will catch up in order

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T3 is conftown now my dude, because he flipped and is scum

Yeah, thought you meant they were obvtown at the time. I guess my point is me voting someone who I didn't realize was town and then saying I'm waiting for someone to catch up so we can get content out of them and now I've stated I'm willing to vote them doesn't really seem like an actual reason to scumread me

Also I'm assuming you had a brain fart to say "flipped and is scum"

It seems like a good enough reason to scumread you when i have better reasons to townread everyone else than I can think of for townreading you?

And it’s not that it was JYST T3, it’s that, if titanic/ydra pairing is indeed town then you were pushing the probably 3 most mislimmable townslots while avoiding taking a hard stance on the one scum one of the group you talked about

Plus you seem more interested in this back and forth or correcting small points (like my brain fart, which it admittedly was) than in trying to nail down where the final scum is or in solving the game, and that, even without literally anything else, feels like a good reason to think you’re skitt’s buddy and the final scum

Honestly I think you're just galaxy braining without knowing how skitt is gonna flip and assuming Titanic & Ydra are both town. If you really think I'm skitts partner and they flip red then you can lim me tomorrow but then I hope you get limmed after I flip green

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I don't feel good about your or Peta's slot (recently how Peta is saying he might not use his night action for fear of messing up other interactions bothered me)

dude do you not understand what my role is

it does literally nothing by itself

So I forgot you full claimed and just thought you had soft claimed visitor of some type...are you saying you're thinking of not using it because that would require coordinating and you're worried about the actions being rolestopped/blocked or because you're roaming and you want to save it for targets later on

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how are you suspicious of that many people if you think skitter is probably scum

I was just listing all the slots that I remembered pinging me. And Dwlee and Ydra were pretty null reads in general. Like I said, I got really lost in all the claims. Did someone have an inno on titanic?

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Apparently he thinks Mena or peta are scummy due to their roles (?) but also finds skitts probably scum. It's so weird that he says if skitts flips red we should kill Mena .. i just like, what

My reads I listed aren't role or associative based; just based on play. I wasn't so much saying "Skitt makes sense with x, y, z" but more "individually the play of these slots bothered me"

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And the mena thing was that I think they raged D1 and a lot of people TR that reaction and then they pushed themselves to the front of the game to state a million associatives...many of which I don't feel are grounded and are just saying every possibility just to say them...including ones that go against their stated reads of the game

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i'm not using my action because, assuming skitter is scum, there's no utility in me targeting anyone - a motion detector becomes a cop with only 1 scum left, but if tweet and I target the same person, whoops, the result is meaningless because the motion could have been generated by me or by scum making the kill. there's no reason to proxy actions through me because just directly checking people has fewer moving parts. i don't have a reason to use my night action by itself because i get absolutely no feedback on any action i take, it's only useful in conjunction with a PR like the motion detector or whatever mena is

This makes sense and resolves why I was wary of you. Between this and you full claiming when you did I'm good with your slot

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Are we good? I can hammer if we don't need any other convos before EOD

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a lot of people TR that reaction

uh

Like one person townread that homie and literally everyone else said it was NAI for me, including me

I’m townread by now bc (1) claim (2) skitter interactions and (3) everyone here knows I fucking detest scum and am so tired that I literally wouldn’t have had the will to keep going by this point if I’d rolled scum ((4) while I’ve had some steamers I would have had to have played a next level dogshit game on D1 for me to have thought anything I did there was a good move for scum!me)

I'm just saying that's when everyone pushing you completely fell off...nothing after that even from people that said it was NAI. Also, you're soft claiming which isn't bad, it's just not a reason to TR when it hasn't been confirmed at all

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Morning who are we targeting? I’ll do DotW you do ydrasse? And if either of us die and the other has no guilty we lim the person the dead one targeted?

This seems like a great way to announce to scum who they can make you mislim with specific actions or a great way for scum!you to set up mislims

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It’s probably like 60% maybe 70% just DotW who is the partner

But if it’s not him, this game is *significantly* harder because there’s a lot less separating you-titanic-ydrasse from each other (and yes, even ta vera at that point) than there is separating y’all from DotW

Well prepare for the game to be harder then I guess

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Actually, I like that idea

VOTE: DotW

This way at least one of me/morning is still around to discuss who skitt’s partner is if it’s not DotW

This is a dumb plan if you actually think skitt is scum

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Actually, I like that idea

VOTE: DotW

This way at least one of me/morning is still around to discuss who skitt’s partner is if it’s not DotW

Wait, were you not even on skitt at all today? Just went to count votes and saw all you did before this vote was "Hurt: ydra"

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Actually, I like that idea

VOTE: DotW

This way at least one of me/morning is still around to discuss who skitt’s partner is if it’s not DotW

This is a dumb plan if you actually think skitt is scum

Why do you think this?

Part of it is as simple as if you think you've caught confscum you lim there, not the person you suspect they might be partnered with. But for this setup in particular, if MT's PR is what they say it is, limming scum!skitt now means one scum left tonight which, like Peta said, pretty much makes MT a cop by seeing movement where there isn't a PR claim. But by mislimming me, someone you're less sure on, you go into tonight with 2 scum. With 2 scum remaining, even if MT hits scum, they might not see movement because the scum they didn't target could've made the kill

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Is scum knowing the setup like a huge balancing factor? Because if all the claims are true we'll have 5 PRs which seems like A LOT even if scum know the setup. If all 5 of the claims are real, do we think scum would have to have 2 PRs?

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Cool, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I hadn't considered how a lot of the roles were weakened or countered each other so it's not necessarily an overpowered town assuming scum have

something

. Definitely makes me less paranoid of Mena's slot, I was kinda worried there were too many PR claims to be reasonable

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I'll be hammering in ~an hour from now unless someone beats me to it

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I'll wait for MT to confirm your pools but I'm not waiting past tonight to vote/hammer barring anything wildly informative happening. I'll be away from my phone and computer for about the next 10 hours but when I get back my vote is going on