mini #585 - A Tempest Has Formed (Over), Thanks Patrick!!

[Porochaz]

Hi. Post soon.

[Porochaz]

Hey everyone, been really busy with work and writing minutes for stuff, dedicated my lunch to reading through this. So Im half way and 15 minutes over my lunch... will get finished soon.

[Porochaz]

Finished. Waiting for tajo to explain. Also main thing from reread was the cop investigation of MM was stupid but not scummy. I dont do big analysis posts when I replace in, I prefer to answer any question you have about my predecessor to the best of my ability and start off my own bat. Other quick points I gathered from my reread:

Skruffs acting strangely
Beyond the RL problems earlier Elias has been lurking a hell of a lot.
Tajo's last post I dislike

Not everything but the main points.

[Porochaz]

How is it that Skruffs has not only not been lynched yet, but doesn't even have any votes besides mine? I don't understand.

Cause I dislike the tactic of "Why hasnt <insertname> been lynched yet?"

[Porochaz]

Mmm... what do you think?

[Porochaz]

Why arent you considering more than one person? You seem to be very tunnelvisioned

[Porochaz]

Why arent you considering more than one person? You seem to be very tunnelvisioned

Elias/pop scumteam. I'm fine with either lynch today. Skruffs is also a viable alternative, from what I've seen of the case so far.

I don't really see the case on Matt_S. Can someone fill me in?

I was really aking Iamausername but thanks for your opinion anyway.

[Porochaz]

Id be happiest with an Elias lynch but may go for skruffs after a reread on him, I felt he was acting strange but couldnt put my finger on it. However currently I dont feel a great desire to lynch anyone with no deadline

[Porochaz]

Im not a fan of lynching someone without having been in the game a bit first. Thats just me though, I also didnt find anyone particularly scummy on my readthrough. If there was a deadline I would reconsider my stance ad read over Elias and Skruffs primarily, having decided to read over Skruffs anyway.

[Porochaz]

Coheeds a claimed cop, Im not voting him anywhere tonight until he gets a proper investigation done.

[Porochaz]

I meant the bad guys

DOH course you did, however my comment still applies to Matt S

[Porochaz]

Ok I didnt like the way xtoxm posted here even if it was a slight joke so I looked at his posts on there own and realised why I didnt find him scummy was because he has hardly posted much content in this game at all... he votes Elias but as far as I can see does not give reasons for doing so. Im going to

vote xtoxm

[Porochaz]

I agree that they make an unlikely pair but remember we have a SK and I have a bad feeling aobut Gaspode. Poro apparently is not reading the game.

FoS : Poro

Im feeling a little bad for Elias. I know he's busy and it would suck to ask for a replacement. I still think he's scum but I want to hear what he wants to say against my attacks. I even miss when he calls people retarted.
Also what happened to Skruffs. He usually posts more.

I dont like the way it is automatically assumed Xtoxm is automatically assumed innocent nothing is ever certain. However as I said before I looked at his posts on there own, if I had realised that he replaced Gasprode and had gone through his posts I probably wouldnt of voted so

unvote

and then

FoS Xtoxm

I still dont like his posts from him but I do agree that its unlikely.

You agree with me about having a bad feeling about him yet you chastise me for voting for him.

FoS tajo

Also not reading something may be anti town but I dont think its indicitive of being scum.

[Porochaz]

Oh ok then...

[Porochaz]

Well since there isn't a mojrity of people wanting to lynch Elias currently and it would be useful if we waited I think no. What will hurt the game more is lynching a townie based on lurking.

[Porochaz]

Lets try waiting until the weekend when he said he's be back hmmm?

[Porochaz]

C

That is all.

[Porochaz]

C

That is all.

And have him/her end up getting lynched right after (s)he comes into the game? Pointless. Just like what happened to Cream and you in Enigma Mi.

Sometimes it happens with replacements, you have to learn to deal with it and its better than lynching an unclaimed power role because we were to speedy.

[Porochaz]

I also doubt it but I will refuse to vote him until we have a replacement who is able to talk and defend himself.

[Porochaz]

Pushing Elias's lynch hard combined with his L-2 vote this early

vote Alabaska J

[Porochaz]

What makes you think i'm the SK? I am not.

[Porochaz]

Pushing Elias's lynch hard combined with his L-2 vote this early

vote Alabaska J

Also, did I really push his lynch that hard?

I think so... if you search your posts 28 to 47 then 51 to 57 (although you do switch to replacing him in the second block even though you say its pointless) most if not all have you saying Elias is scum, your sorta laying it a bit heavy...

Whats your opinion on tajo just now

[Porochaz]

no but laying it on quite thibk. Its one thing pushing for someone but I felt that he went beyond that. He was one of the lynch's biggest advocators and Elias came up innocent. I think that deserves at least a look.

[Porochaz]

Hello?

[Porochaz]

Ok I'll be back later with a proper post and Ill probably do a PBPA later. However dont expect to much from that, I usually do them for my own amusement and dont post them. Although it will give me a chance to look at various people and give an opinion on them

[Porochaz]

Why do you think hes town?

I don't necessarily. Getting a neutral read.

Quotes?

Really? Quotes that don't point town or scum one way or the other? Is that for real?

(driunk) you know I look at this and it seems like a really easy way out, he doesnt want to give quotes that suggest he gets a neutral read so he gets off scot free. In my opinion that is suspicous, I dont know who Im voting for currently but there is definetly some suspicion from my eyes on ALABASKA j

[Porochaz]

ok I apologise and the vote count was directly before mine as well, howev my point stands. I would quite like to see sorta analysis from AJ

[Porochaz]

Back soon. Still endorse the A J lynch, will read up on Skruffs though.

[Porochaz]

Back soon. Still endorse the A J lynch, will read up on Skruffs though.

hey guys i found the sk it's the guy who is acitvely lurking the fuck out of this game :/

Hey guys I found scum, it's the guy who restates stuff from other people on the previous page and makes just generally very scummy posts.

Just so you know Ive been busy with other games so I put this on the back burner, I come back and you know whats last change since my AJ vote? Naf all.

[Porochaz]

Probably scum but the wrong type to lynch? Excuse me if that sounds a bit contradictory. Essentially mafia for town is lynch scum = win game. I disagree with a skruffs lynch especially now he claimed, but your last statement is totally wrong. Alabaska J is still the lynch for today.

[Porochaz]

drunk much?

hypocrite much? (to myself)

[Porochaz]

oh ok

[Porochaz]

Oh he's scum and hes scum... no wait he's scum and he's SK... nope, he's now scum. Please make up your mind... its boring now.

[Porochaz]

Oh and here's my reasoning for not lynching Xtoxm for the moment, is because I have a strong suspicion he is SK and if we lynch him now we lose. You, on the other hand are scum and should be lynched ASAP.

[Porochaz]

Think Poro is SK.

Same back to you

[Porochaz]

FAO Xtoxm:

Briefly back on.
As I have said, I have missed both nights, because patrick couldn't change the title in time, didn't prod, etc. I was not near the computer around the time of either lynches and so I didn't get a night choice in. I *would* have targetted MM n1, but it wouldn't have saved him as he was killed twice, and I *would* have targetted the cop last night, even though it would mean preventing him from getting an investigation in, because it would have kept him alive AND would not have prevented him from getting an investigation - the mafia roleblocker already prevented that.

[Porochaz]

Why are you such an idoit AJ? Im sorry but a Poro-Skruffs link is stupid. As is a Skruffs-anyone currently. He is CLAIMED, get that? ok he could be lying but you know something thats exactly what we could say about you as SK. Why claim, huh? It makes no sense. Now there is absolutely no way you can win. If you are SK and they lynched scum today, you would be chased tomorrow. Your claim makes no sense if you are the actual SK, think Im voting Xtoxm,

unvote vote Alabaska J

for having an attack and a claim thats just a load of rubbish.

[Porochaz]

The only way you claiming SK could advantage you is if you are actually scum

[Porochaz]

Did I fair enough. Why would you do that as SK? It guarantees you a loss this way...

[Porochaz]

The only way you claiming SK could advantage you is if you are actually scum

Or if he's the serial killer and doesn't want to get lynched.

and the next day? Hes gonna be lynched anyway or NK'ed if there are anymore scum...

[Porochaz]

I was blue screened so give me a sec and allow me to triple post to get the old post back up... the SK cannot win with a competent town now. He WILL be lynched. Are you stupid enough to go there's a man running round town killing people with an axe, lets leave him be... no, cause he's killing you!!! Your going to lynch him the first chance you get cause thats how you win the game.

[Porochaz]

Am I L-1?

[Porochaz]

When you are the SK, (by the way in my view my greatest victory was as SK in Corsican mafia) it stops being a team game, you are out to make every advantage for your self, by claiming SK you have just lost the game, your dead. No way you can win. Why would he do it even at L-1, you still have a small chance of winning.

[Porochaz]

No Poro, we've been through this, lynching the SK today makes maf win. I'm just about certain Poro is mafia.

Let's lynch him.

I know this, why do you feel the need to repeat it. I asked if I was at L-1 today not "Why dont you think we should lynch the claimed SK today?"

[Porochaz]

Thats my point though which you cannot seem to get unless you are his scum partner desperetly trying to find a way out. Or your just incredibly stubborn. AJ has just lost the game for himself WHY would he do that? Hmmm? Ok he survives an extra day, what then, hmmm? Are you just going to give him a free ride? What is in it for him?

[Porochaz]

Thats not what Im suggesting at all, stop twisting my posts

[Porochaz]

Thats my point though which you cannot seem to get unless you are his scum partner desperetly trying to find a way out. Or your just incredibly stubborn. AJ has just lost the game for himself WHY would he do that? Hmmm? Ok he survives an extra day, what then, hmmm? Are you just going to give him a free ride? What is in it for him?

I've been in his exact position before, what he's playing for is for mafia to be lynched, and he needs a townie mislynch before the mafia is eradicated.

Sorry I honestly dont know what you mean your going to have to explain this a little more simply because the way I see it is he will either be NK'ed straight off or he will be lynched the next day. Why would the town risk going after a townie after we have a claim from one of the killing parties? Granted just now scum pose more of a threat and you cant kill the SK now but lynch scum now and that threat becomes less. You go for the claimed person rather than search elsewhere because doing something else would be incredibly stupid.

[Porochaz]

How is "man running around with an axe killing people" not a reference to the SK? Now you are backtracking.

Im not, that was a reference to SK Im just saying that if you are town you will lynch him tomorrow if you have any sense what so ever.

[Porochaz]

Now that he's claimed yes.

[Porochaz]

but even then he's barely got a chance...

[Porochaz]

No its common sense, if you go to the front page and look the best he can hope for now if that if a townie mislynch happens, then the best he can get out of ALL the possible scenarios is a draw.

[Porochaz]

It just makes no sense why arent you seeing what Im seeing, if he were SK he's just lost any chance of wining if hes fakeclaimed sk as scum hes just improved his chances of winning. Am I the only one who sees this?

[Porochaz]

I dont know, in this situation it would be benifical to hear how the SK (if it is Alabaska J as Xtoxm "thinks") could win now cause the way I look at it there is absolutely no way he can win now, providing town/mafia arent retards.

[Porochaz]

Serial Killer - An Anti-town player who can make a nightkill each night. Wins only if he is the last player standing, or it is inevitable that this will be the case.

NK immune? WRONG! Where here does it say NK immune?

[Porochaz]

Serial Killer - An Anti-town player who can make a nightkill each night. Wins only if he is the last player standing, or it is inevitable that this will be the case.

NK immune? WRONG! Where here does it say NK immune?

My pm was quite different from what was put up at the front. I had to ask clarification from the mod on a bunch of things and eventually it was restructured.

At one point I didn't even have a nightkill.

I would hate for the town and I to both lose on mod error basically.

SK without a Nightkill? You mean a Survivor right? The funny thing in that statement to me is the fact that you have baked beans on toast and you lose the toast, your beans fall due to gravity and then your lab gets all messy in the process. Please tell me how you can be a serial killer without the killer in it? You dont tell us these things to begin with cause your looking for someway out when it seems to me your making this up very badly on the spot.

[Porochaz]

Let me bold the word where that falls through...

Serial Killer

- An Anti-town player who can make a nightkill

each

night. Wins only if he is the last player standing, or it is inevitable that this will be the case.

[Porochaz]

So putting this all together you are basically an NK immune vengeful survivor? I think we have a title for you...

[Porochaz]

In a semi open game where it states clearly part of the role pm and he directly contradicts that, then I think its fair to disregard what hes saying about it being written incorrectly and why tell us this now? Why not say he had problems with it when he claimed. Ok maybe a bit early, but when the pressure came on, if he was the genuine SK then he would of mentioned it sooner than now.

[Porochaz]

For gods sake, make up your fucking mind...

I think Alabaska J is so the right lynch for today but Urgh... Xtoxm is so scummy right now its unbelievable...

unvote, vote Xtoxm

[Porochaz]

Here's a timeline for you, in the exact order they happen

Paul goes out
Xtoxm votes the person hes been defending the past few days4
Paul buys his best friend a celebratory black rain... a mixture of Absinth and Black After Shock set on fire, down, fumes breathed in and the dregs snorted. (hardcore drink)
Xtoxm suddenly unvotes and suggests Skruffs is the best lynch
Paul gets tipsy and has an argument with his friend about how she is so drunk she cannot walk. (and that she spilt a drink over my fleece)
Xtoxm votes myself now after declaring Im possibly the SK and knowing full well that lynching the SK would lose the game for us.
Paul takes a taxi home with aother one of his friends and pays the whole fare cause his friend is a cheap bastard.
Paul goes online replaces someone in his game then looks at Skruffs post and then Xtoxm's (what Im going to call a) fakevote on AJ before going right back to where he started. Honestly you wonder WHY I question your indesicion?

[Porochaz]

These are the roles you may see in this set-up with an explanation of each. The explanations may or may not fully encompass all abilities of the role.

Thats fair enough but they should include the information given in the descriptions.

[Porochaz]

Because it really codemns me :rolleyes: The way I interpreted it was that the description there had to be in there in some form or another (doesnt have to be exact wording) and doesnt have to encompass the whole role. Which still makes AJ's claim seem wrong.

[Porochaz]

Why dont you explain why your not mafia day 1 instead of just saying it?

Also I think its fairly obvious that not everything is clear cut in this game... Skruffs claim isnt 100% certain, you cant be 100% certain about me, Alabaska J, or anyone for that matter so trying to pass yourself off as if we should be 100% your not mafia when you are so definetly not is wrong.

[Porochaz]

OK Xtoxm I read over Gaspodes posts, now he does attack alvinz fairly early on. However even though he's scum it wasn't the most stable of cases. To keep looking at it, it wasnt really a particularly damning case Gaspode wrote. I don't think this clears you at all... it might make you look more townie but definetly not confirmed nowhere near especially since youve been so damn scummy. So dont try and push that shit because it just wont fly.

[Porochaz]

Wow, this was a joke of a mass claim, Im vanilla as well. So what next? 4 vanilla obviously at least one of us is lying, otoh though this is a good thing, my suggestion is to carry out skruffs plan a few pages back. Thats the best plan in my view.

[Porochaz]

Ill agree with the fact skruffs is clear, out of interest how do you know there is 4 scum? With lovers is more detrimental to town in my view than advantageous so with a cop and jailkeeper we might well have only 2 scum and a SK.

[Porochaz]

You see heres the thing, you always talk about how your certain about everything and I keep wondering why? and the only thing I can come up with is that your scum. In a game full of variables you simply cant be certain about anything unless you know more than your letting on.

[Porochaz]

With lovers is more detrimental to town in my view than advantageous so with a cop and jailkeeper we might well have only 2 scum and a SK.

[Porochaz]

What do you think of Xtoxm pop?

[Porochaz]

What? Im not saying we should lynch A J today and havent done for a page or two I think its fairly possible now he is the SK. Where the hell did you get that from? Cause get this, the only person I want to lynch now is mafia, meaning you.

[Porochaz]

Your question is confusing... but I can answer the first bit at least... I didn't ever want to lynch the SK I wanted to lynch Alabaska J who I didnt think was the SK because claiming was a REALLY REALLY DUMB thing to do. I'm going to make no bones about it. It has a "no win" guaruntee on it and through that I get the second part of your question and my answer is I really dont know, an oversight maybe? I think its fairly possible A J is the SK and just played really badly or the both of them are scum partners. You see I want to believe AJ is SK but Xtoxm's and AJ's other actions in relation to one another (beyond the no hammering) make no sense.

[Porochaz]

Why are you sorry? Hes definetly an anti town role, which means one less scum no matter who we lynch.

An Xtoxm lynch still seems the way to go to me, it seems like the obvious option. Hes been the scummiest all day and I think it would be a big mistake to lynch anyone else... also a miller is nothing like a lover stop painting it that way. Can anyone else, ie. Cream, Skruffs, Pop, Matt...(NOT Xtoxm) I need to know why a Xtoxm is the wrong way to go because I just dont understand why he is out from all of you.

[Porochaz]

lol active does not protown by a long way and you know that, and besides anything else suggesting you are the most protown is laughable, skruffs is more protown than you, cream is more protown than you, hell everyone is more protown than you, Im not including me in this cause thats up to everyone else but hell youve been the least protown person all day and the only reason your still alive is Gaspodes play in day 1.

Which I read and it does make him look more protown. However, it isnt as aggressive case as your all making out, it wasnt a great case to start out with and without reading the other posts (which I will do) it looks like he just went with it as it looked like there was no other option.

[Porochaz]

Let me tell you, without commenting on my or anyone elses play, your not.

[Porochaz]

I doubt it, unless you went round screaming that you were scum in previous games.

[Porochaz]

Ok well here's my position, pops a no go cause hes confirmed. Skruffs is the only claim beyond the lover that I feel confident about believing, Ala being SK is to risky to lynch today, Cream I dont have a read on and I dont know why hes posted often enough suffice to say I dont find him particularly scummy, Xtoxm I still think is the best candidate, the only reason hes been vocal recently is because hes had to be and I looked through Weather Mafia and he was vocal there but it was one liners, I dont think his posting frequency tells us much, Matt's the only other person and I could see why lynching him would be an idea but at the same time I think its bleeding obvious Xtoxm's scum and needs to be dealt with now. I dont think the whole Gaspode and Alvinz thing clears him, im sorry.

[Porochaz]

Poro has gotta be scum...

Lets hear you say something else huh? Its getting just a little repetitive now...

[Porochaz]

At least Im putting something behind it/saying something different at the same time.

[Porochaz]

Explain much? The way I see it what your doing is what a scum would do...

[Porochaz]

Tell us why your case on both of us then.

[Porochaz]

This is bad, Xtoxm is easily the scummiest here, however you are the next best option, so Im going tohave to

unvote vote Matt S

.

[Porochaz]

Well if hes scum Id assume we'd be lynching Alabaska J tomorrow.

[Porochaz]

Yes, no matter what role either of us are, it would be extremely dumb to not lynch A J tomorrow, and I think its scummy to think any other way...

[Porochaz]

Eh... its common sense. Lets say we have players A B C D and E and we know player B is SK and that there is be another scum out there. Now do you go down the smart route of lynching the known sk next day when it doesn't guaruntee a town loss but is only advantagous for the town or do you go after a possible other mafia member who could be anyone of the remaining players. (maybe apart from the claimed jailkeeper)

[Porochaz]

Ok but either way Alabaska J is still scum and should be lynched next. It doesn't matter what he is if Matt comes up scum. Put it this way, he's claimed SK so he is either going to be SK or Mafia. There's no way he's a vanilla townie unless he is really REALLY stupid. It gets rid of a definate nightkill. Your ideas are full of ifs and buts, lynching A J is another scum dead and should be done.

Oh by the way Patrick Im away in France with a very unlikely chance of internet access from the 31st to the 5th

[Porochaz]

I would of liked to know if Skruffs jailkeeped successfully tonight, however I am away from tomorrow morning so

vote Alabaska J

. As claimed SK you need to go no matter what Skruffs says.

[Porochaz]

I claimed vanilla. I think an Alabaska J lynch today is the only way this can happen. You have a SK, Alabaska J. Lynch him and then JK one of us randomly, if he is the last power role left we win. If he isn't then we still have tomorrow to decide. Kill me or Cream, it's a 0% chance if we have gotten rid of all anti town roles or it's 50% chance if we do have 1 scum role left.

I believe this is correct, Ive just spent 3 hours on a plane with no air con or food due to flight problems then in a taxi rank pouring with rain. After having gotten up at 6am. I know Skruffs must be in a similar situation but god am I tired.

[Porochaz]

I don't really have a problem with you jailkeeping me last night, I am under suspicion so if you did then it was a wise choice, I would obviously also say that it was a wrong choice but would say that whether I was town or scum. We can discuss who you jailkeep but essentially its up to you. So if you decided to jk me last night fair enough, if you decide to jk me tomorrow then I hope we dont have any more scum but fair enough anyway.

[Porochaz]

Porochaz, Cream, I need your guys' help in figuring out who I should JK tonight, if there is one.

Well naturally, I think Poro, Poro will say me...

This.

I think its purely up to you tonight...

[Porochaz]

Well they are your four options and it is possible they are all not outwith the realms of possibility. I think there are no mafia left either but if there is I don't really have anything useful to say to you. Obviously I would say you must jailkeep cream, where he will say the exact opposite. Im not sure how you get information out of that?

[Porochaz]

Iffy access from now till Sunday

[Porochaz]

Not guilty obviously. I obviously don't know what to say, Cream, you've played well in the last few days and I havent suspected you at all which makes it a damn sight harder to say anything, Ill obviously have a look over if you'll permit me a couple of days. I have a big RL problem in the form of a landlady and limited interwebs but it seems to have settled.

[Porochaz]

Ok Skruffs, youve been through real life stuff in the past, you can look at my posts through the last week or so to see that Im posting "bare bones", so when I ask you for a few days your going to have to give me a few days.

[Porochaz]

Sorry, to add to my problems the electricity in my house has gone completely. I mean I am totally in the dark and the only light I have is about 50ish minutes worth of light left on my computer. I will try to charge my laptop up tomorrow at uni and post here. Sorry for yet another delay.

[Porochaz]

Keep calm I was coming to this game... in a roundabout way... I am going (to internetless) home first though as me being in the university at this time is starting to look weird, internet cafe beside me though. Will be back on and back in thread asap.

[Porochaz]

Paul materialises into the room.

[Porochaz]

Then he dematerialises, Im sorry this game coincided with me being homeless, really.

[Porochaz]

I am going to be at the uni with internet access all day tomorrow with no lectures. I have no excuse not to post tomorrow. Therefore will make a post.

However, just now, if you want to take this instead, you are asking me to make a case against someone who I never thought of as scum. You may of laid out a case that I could use, but its not my case. I could go through his posts and nitpick all the little things and use your posts to my advantage, but to me that would be in scums interest more than towns. I have to

vote cream

if I havent already because it simply cant be you unless the game was incredibly scewed from the start. I do want to ask though because I think Ive only played with a jailkeeper before,

Skruffs or Patrick, Could the Jailkeeper be killed by the prisoner? and to clarify the person being jailed could not kill and be killed?

Ill be back tomorrow afternoon.

[Porochaz]

Porochaz waited from a response from Skruffs and didnt see it needed one, Im currently waiting for a response from Patrick because whilst skruffs answered my question he didnt get what I meant. I have a theory and am waiting for Patrick to answer. When he does Ill explain my theory.

[Porochaz]

Ok Skruffs if you jailkept me then cream could of tried to kill me and failed cause I was protected by you? Ive got this worked out in my head not really explaining it very well. It's in Skruffs court but I think the jailkeeping me has blocked Creams kill against me, its the only reason why I could see us both being still alive, because if the mafia can kill the jailkeeper whilst being jailed (which is what I was asking) then the only explanation is having one of us try to kill the other.

[Porochaz]

If the mafia can kill the jailkeeper whilst they are jailed then why is skruffs not dead?

[Porochaz]

No. You've jailkept both of us now. So it stands to reason that you should of been dead either last night or two nights ago. I have never been in an endgame scenario with a JK before so I assumed that the mafia could kill the JK if he was jailed. Maybe I should of looked up the wiki before now...

[Porochaz]

I dont understand. Im glad Im handing scum a win through my inability to understand the mechanics of the jailkeeper and by the way Im not sure that both nights you were targetted that was my point in the first place.

[Porochaz]

Cream, I notice your being quite quiet at the moment, why did your opinion of xtoxm suddenly change a while back?

[Porochaz]

Im waiting for Cream to answer or Skruffs to vote, I dont really have much to do at the moment unless you still want me to go through Creams posts and pick away at the bones? (Im assuming Skruffs wil be in here before Cream)

[Porochaz]

Sorry for the long absense I was genuinely homeless and even when things settled I was LA, in the end I decided the best course of action was to go with the "Im not going to make a case I dont believe in" way to go, in the hope that skruffs would consider me more townie for that than making up a case that would of been onbvious I didnt believe. However I know Skruffs and knew it was likely to fail. Good Game all.

[Porochaz]

You were never going to survive claiming SK. You had more chance by keeping your mouth shut or fake claiming.