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Sure. It’s also what Town would say since, you know, I’m Town.
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Have you played with geraintm before?In post 138, Ythan wrote:Yeah you're right.
Okay I'm gonna try to go to bed it's past five am. Take this please.
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That might explain it.In post 184, Ythan wrote:
Nope.In post 183, Andresvmb wrote:
Have you played with geraintm before?In post 138, Ythan wrote:Yeah you're right.
Okay I'm gonna try to go to bed it's past five am. Take this please.
VOTE: Geraintm
Expect nothing much useful out of geraintm D1. If you look at them like that, maybe it’ll help alleviate some of the Scum pings you’re getting from the slot.-
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And I don’t say that because I’m trying to bash them. geraintm refuses to place much in the form of a vote that makes much sense D1, tries not to get into debates about reads, relies heavily on voting history for their commentary, and can be completely stubborn. We also don’t tend to read each other correctly so there’s that too (geraintm heavily Scum Read me as Town once, I did the same in a different game and I was wrong).-
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And they’re also hinting at it here.In post 142, geraintm wrote:this is day 1 - i promise you you will hate nearly everything i post today.
Having said all that, they can be good at keeping score of how votes develop. And I don’t see them as a bad player by any means. D1 they’re an easy target though and I’ve seen Scum try and take advantage of that, that’s all.-
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This entrance pinged me. For what it’s worth.In post 22, Nixie wrote:Was gonna complain about how this is boring and it's been like a whole two hours with only two posts but like half of you are asleep right?-
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I don’t know that I understand everything that is in this post. I almost want to completely ignore it because trying to decipher this is giving me a headache.In post 67, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I kinda feel like Alice is TMIing her partner and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.
If that's the case I'd hazard a guess that "our mob" was not a typo but was in fact a traitor crumb and geraintm voting me is chainsawing for Margot
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They didn’t directly repeat the “joke”, but they both called me Scum (or otherwise implied it) for plainly stating that I am Town. Isn’t that the point? That’s what this is talking about right?In post 72, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Margot didnt actually repeat your joke, so this feels like working backwards from Margot being scum.-
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What? Hahaha I’m sorry but I just disagree. Why is this not just standard Scum trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to justify a bad read? It’s the TMI part of your argument I’m getting totally stuck on. If there’s 2 Scum, my instinct tells me that they’re not doing what you’re looking for here.In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You can TMI your partner this early by latching on to something insignificant that they did and scumreading them for it.-
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Okay but assume this has the standard 3 then. I still don’t think Scum’s first instinct is to blow up their Partner by highlighting something small they did. I just… don’t get why that’s your first instinct.In post 207, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I didnt know there were 2 scum when I made that postIn post 205, Andresvmb wrote:
What? Hahaha I’m sorry but I just disagree. Why is this not just standard Scum trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to justify a bad read? It’s the TMI part of your argument I’m getting totally stuck on. If there’s 2 Scum, my instinct tells me that they’re not doing what you’re looking for here.In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You can TMI your partner this early by latching on to something insignificant that they did and scumreading them for it.-
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The end read and push were the same so yeah, I did basically take it as the same. I don’t know why that would seem such an unreasonable way of summarizing the posts highlighting my entrance.In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:it didnt seem to me that it was the same thing. Similar, but not the same, and taking and calling it the same pinged me. Did they feel the same to you?-
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Okay I mean haha I don’t think you’ve caught the two Scum here so, yeah no.In post 210, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Because Alice's reasoning to sus Margot looked fake, and Margot's entrance looked scummy. 2 SRs, one sussing the other for what looks like a fake reason, hence it's a TMIIn post 208, Andresvmb wrote:
Okay but assume this has the standard 3 then. I still don’t think Scum’s first instinct is to blow up their Partner by highlighting something small they did. I just… don’t get why that’s your first instinct.In post 207, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I didnt know there were 2 scum when I made that postIn post 205, Andresvmb wrote:
What? Hahaha I’m sorry but I just disagree. Why is this not just standard Scum trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to justify a bad read? It’s the TMI part of your argument I’m getting totally stuck on. If there’s 2 Scum, my instinct tells me that they’re not doing what you’re looking for here.In post 200, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You can TMI your partner this early by latching on to something insignificant that they did and scumreading them for it.-
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Here’s where I’m struggling DW. Sure, perhaps it’s a Town thought process. No issue there. But you put no effort into understanding what the hell was even being said. And from my humble perspective, it reads somewhat outlandish. It’s out there. Writing down that a typo (which really is the simplest explanation since someone else immediately interpreted it that way before the clarification came) was actually a Traitor crumb is arealstretch. But you didn’t even acknowledge that. It’s just bizarre to me.-
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In post 43, Nathann wrote:
Who's the "our mob"?In post 39, geraintm wrote:anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?In post 44, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Our moderator
In fact, Kyouko did! I mean, what?!In post 45, geraintm wrote:
yes, moderator, sorry typed too quickly. like, i know what an innocent child is but a day zero one i've not seen before. it is unusual enough that i wondered if the moderator was known for weird rolesIn post 43, Nathann wrote:
Who's the "our mob"?In post 39, geraintm wrote:anyone know if our mob does this sort of thing on a regular basis?-
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I’m having a hard time believing you here. You think the second paragraph, which transparently follows from the conclusion in the first paragraph, is weird but not Scummy, but think the first paragraph is a good Town thought process? And all this after you didn’t make any specific distinction between the two paragraphs when you first made a comment on the post?In post 218, Dwlee99 wrote:Like do you think the second paragraph is scummy? Weird, sure, but it isn't scummy. And the first paragraph just screams good thought process so I vibe with it.-
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Tell me how this is helpful to the Town. If I picked this out, in that I thought the IC is hinting at something that might be useful later, but not stating it directly, then why clarify it without asking first? You’ll also notice that from some commentary that came in later, that it’s just wrong.In post 67, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:and that Jolyene's clue about scum shitting themselves implies jolyene knows something that jo thinks that scum also know, like maybe a special kind of traitor.-
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Why do you think I’m going in circles? I’m questioning DW’s thoughts and conclusions based on the one post of yours I think is all wrong. Why is that circular? And most of my questions aren’t rhetorical. You think they’re going nowhere because you TR DW.In post 226, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:If it is wrong, what does that mean to you? I feel like you're going in circles with lines of questioning that don't lead to anything useful. Mostly rhetorical questions, and you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?-
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What you’re implying here is just false, but you do you.In post 226, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?
I TR Kazyan for 64 (just seemed a bit bad for Scum), but now I’m realizing it might have been said sarcastically, in which case I can’t say I have a good reason for it.-
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What do you think the answer to this is?
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And early reads lists can be done by either alignment, so I’m not putting too much stock in that just yet. I would tend to lean positively on it, but it’s not a big plus or anything.In post 229, Andresvmb wrote:
What you’re implying here is just false, but you do you.In post 226, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:you're entirely focused on me and dwlee - why do you TR kazlan?
I TR Kazyan for 64 (just seemed a bit bad for Scum), but now I’m realizing it might have been said sarcastically, in which case I can’t say I have a good reason for it.-
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Look I’m going to be direct. I thought your idea that it was a Traitor crumb was paranoid, and most likely incorrect, so I wanted to challenge it. I didn’t like DW just saying it was a Town thought process, and completely ignoring the content. DW is probably right in that you’re likely Town because when you were Scum you were happy to ignore me and just call me Town, and now you’re happy to wrongly say I have bad faith because I thought your idea was bad. You can’t read me for shit at least we know that.In post 242, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:this is what I mean by going in circles with Andre's. I dont think the questions he's asking are meant to sort me; it doesn't seem like there's any good faith there.-
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Their readslist seemed fine, but I do agree with (I think it was) you when you pointed out that the vote didn’t match the strongest SR. That seemed interesting.In post 245, Nathann wrote:Do you have a read on Kazyan outside of 64?-
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I think it’s Scummy that DW called a whole post Towny thoughts, was challenged on the content of the post they said contained a Towny thought process (even though clearly they don’t think all of the content makes sense), and then narrowed the scope of their comment to the first paragraph when the second paragraph clearly follows from the first (and said the second paragraph was NAI). What I guess I’m saying is that we could be seeing fake reasoning for a read (that I think is correct, funny enough). It just seemed like a really superficial read to me.In post 245, Nathann wrote:And I'm kind of weirded out at your question later that Dwlee should've made a distinction between the two paragraphs. Do you think Dwlee is scummy for not having done that?
Look I want to figure out who is Town and who is Scum. Of course. But part of this is also to try and figure out who I can also somewhat rely on to complement my view of the game. If I’m going wrong, I’m more likely to change course and correct myself if I can trust that (i) someone else is Townand(ii) that I can trust their opinion.-
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Can you try to verbalize why?In post 247, AliceK wrote:Geraintm also gives good vibes.-
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Okay.In post 254, Dwlee99 wrote:Why say more word when few do trick-
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@Jolyne I’m thinking Enchant is Scum here. They’ve pulled this nonsense before as Scum if I remember correctly. At least it’s worth pushing. Also, I think ignoring DGB’s reads makes sense :shrug: I’m not sure I would go as far as to policy any slot btw, but if I read slowly and actually find them Scummy I’ll let you know.-
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You can absolutely do this. But see here’s the problem. You’re wrong. And you completely fail to take into account the views of players that are reading closely and have demonstrated competence in other games, like Koba. Which is why I think your reads should be discarded.In post 416, DrippingGoofball wrote:I will scumread whoever I want to scumread.
Also, I’ve been Town 16 games in a row in this forum, and have yet to play Scum. In fact I think it’s very likely you have no idea how I play as Scum, but should have a very good grasp for how to confidently pick out when I’m Town. The fact that you think you can confidently say that I’m Scum is aggravating, particularly when I’m actually present in this game.
As a side note, I purposefully decided to take a break because I was not contributing in the way that I liked the last few games, and now that you can see I’m not just lurking D1 out or coming in at odd times, you still get me wrong. And okay it’s D1, but you’re pretending like your read is rock solid. It’s horrendous.-
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I’ll re-read the ISO and tell you what I think, but I think the nuance you’re showing in your analysis is strongly Town indicative. So I’m going to try and give you my honest opinion.In post 281, Nathann wrote:The reason I out this now is because I realize I'm slowly getting tunnelled on that read, and could probably use a sanity check. And you were the only one (I think) to express a read on them earlier, and I'm gonna cheat slightly and sheep our IC's read on you for the time being, so. What do you think?-
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@Jolyne, is there anything else you need?In post 490, Enchant wrote:Andre confscum, i am not gonna change vote ty.-
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I’m Scum because I think that your activity is more often than not Scum indicative, and you’re choosing to tunnel me when I point it out? Either this is really basic Scum play or you’re just bad. Which is it?In post 492, Enchant wrote:
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@Jolyne, is there anything else you need?In post 490, Enchant wrote:Andre confscum, i am not gonna change vote ty.-
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Okay so I ISO’ed.In post 489, Andresvmb wrote:
I’ll re-read the ISO and tell you what I think, but I think the nuance you’re showing in your analysis is strongly Town indicative. So I’m going to try and give you my honest opinion.In post 281, Nathann wrote:The reason I out this now is because I realize I'm slowly getting tunnelled on that read, and could probably use a sanity check. And you were the only one (I think) to express a read on them earlier, and I'm gonna cheat slightly and sheep our IC's read on you for the time being, so. What do you think?
I think Kazyan is worth keeping an eye on. They’ve been non confrontational in a way that pings me.
How would I approach a game with a Confirmed Town that’s a strong player and personality, and I’m not being SR? I would try and agree with whatever their view is (provided it isn’t detrimental to my position in the game), and stay somewhat away from the action. Some of what Kazyan is doing could be read that way. Look at the vote for DGB, explanation for the Unvote, and subsequent vote for GrandpaMo. If Koba is wrong about GrandpaMo, or say DGB is Town (hard to say what DGB is given their play honestly - I don’t see how skimming the game and making poorly reasoned votes or being a contrarian actually helps you as one of two Scum), then you let them drive the game off a cliff, produce a mis-execution, and you NK them. Another example is the same post you highlighted (about them agreeing with a vote being a good point). So they agree that geraintm’s post is Scummy (otherwise, how is the vote a “good point”), but you immediately turn around and ask the player for an explanation, which you later end up saying “makes sense”. It seems passive.-
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In post 51, Kazyan wrote:I'd say that trying to outsmarting the mod isn't helpful, but I might have a skewed perspective here, since my first game in Mafia had an Innocent Child.
I thought it might be a little scummy to ask a probing question over something that clearly doesn't matter, but then I realized that a "peck" at someone hasn't historically come from scum in my games--Lunar Martian in Mini Normal 2187, or T3's initial questions in Not Quite Normal Multiball. And then you gave a reasonable answer, so now I'm not getting any scum vibes from you.In post 48, Nathann wrote:
In theory, at least. Debatable how well it accomplishes that in practice. Does the response tell you anything?In post 46, Kazyan wrote:Is that was RVS is supposed to do? Huh. Fair, then. I haven't noticed reactions to RVS-voting someone being important, but apparently, voting for myself can get a response too.
A vague "this is weird" suggests that you have more information about the gamestate with which to evaluate it. To me, having an Innocent Child isn't enough to consider this a bizarro world game, but given that your experience is different, your comment makes more sense.In post 49, geraintm wrote:whats the good point?
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In post 101, Kazyan wrote:
Definitely more reasonable in that context, then.In post 99, geraintm wrote:As my last game has just finished, my "weird" comment about day zero IC might make more sense. I was a day 3 IC in it, so to see one in this game that flipped straight away I found odd-
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I mean just read this ISO:In post 498, Nathann wrote:
Judging by Andres's 485, it looks like Scum!Enchant does verbally shrug a lot.In post 496, Kazyan wrote:I asked about random-ass people to throw Enchant off-script, but the Nixie read seems genuine; if scum were just playing it cool and trying to give real responses, they wouldn't verbally shrug like that.
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And tell me how many times they post something that you would consider moves the game forward. They were Scum there.
I count at least four times where they ask “What did I miss?”, and have a lot of really bland responses.
Now I will say, them just openly saying “Ok Scum” as a response to my read gives me pause. So I won’t argue here I think for sure that Enchant is Scum or anything of the sort. But if they start skating by, take a closer look.-
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I’m giving my opinion, not pretending to be a Town Leader. And how is being a lurker helpful to the Town again?In post 512, Enchant wrote:Alright what i think.
For first, don't talk with me from this position, you are not townleader and i don't fear/care what you talking on me, anime.
For second, my activity is last concern you need to have as town, you need to think if i am mafia, not if i am lurker. If you think i am mafia, i wondering why you didn't vote me yet so take your chance right now.
For third, i will be active as i see fit and in my powers to do, i am not going promise you anything.
I’ll vote whenever the fuck I please, just as much as you seem to be saying that you’ll contribute whenever you want to. Don’t be a hypocrite. I’m not asking you to promise to do anything. I’m alerting the rest of the players here that if you start saying you’re bored or don’t want to read, and constantly ask for others to fill you in, it isn’t necessarily Town!you just not caring. You’ve displayed that style as Scum already.-
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Okay I’ll stop responding to this terrible play. Feel free to carry on doing nothing.In post 516, Enchant wrote:
I am not to you, mafia.In post 513, Andresvmb wrote:
I’m giving my opinion, not pretending to be a Town Leader. And how is being a lurker helpful to the Town again?In post 512, Enchant wrote:Alright what i think.
For first, don't talk with me from this position, you are not townleader and i don't fear/care what you talking on me, anime.
For second, my activity is last concern you need to have as town, you need to think if i am mafia, not if i am lurker. If you think i am mafia, i wondering why you didn't vote me yet so take your chance right now.
For third, i will be active as i see fit and in my powers to do, i am not going promise you anything.
I’ll vote whenever the fuck I please, just as much as you seem to be saying that you’ll contribute whenever you want to. Don’t be a hypocrite. I’m not asking you to promise to do anything. I’m alerting the rest of the players here that if you start saying you’re bored or don’t want to read, and constantly ask for others to fill you in, it isn’t necessarily Town!you just not caring. You’ve displayed that style as Scum already.-
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You’re only engaging with negative reads of your slot in a childish way, and not saying much else. Your play is objectively detrimental to the Town. Whether it’s coming from Scum is hard to tell.In post 519, Enchant wrote:Oh sorry, if you are town it's not like you catched atleast one mafia yet. Is this count as terrible?
And I’ll let my track record speak for itself. I don’t have to defend my play to you.-
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Yeah I realize this now. They also responded that their retort wasn’t aimed at me (though they missed a word) while calling me Scum.In post 520, Nathann wrote:Andres, I believe 512 is aimed at me, considering the very creative jab at my avatar.-
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Look this is pretty simple - your read of my slot is bad. So I am appealing to you to reconsider by asking that you listen to a player that not only is cleared, but has a good handle of how I play Town. You’re refusing because you think you are better at reading me. But you’re not, and therein lies the problem.In post 535, DrippingGoofball wrote:I know how you play as town, and so far, this isn't it.
I always pretend my reads are rock solid. Especially in the first 25 pages
You complain that I scumread you and you try to badger me to sheep Koba, that's a HELL NO and a HARD PASS.
And I’m not asking you to sheep Koba generally btw. But to perhaps listen to what they have to say about my slot. This will progress better if you don’t give Scum cover to do what they want.-
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I don’t understand why you’re backing away from a fight so easily.In post 552, Kazyan wrote:Now that I'm not just grumping about fluffy posts, there doesn't appear to be anything scummy in this ISO. UNVOTE: GrandpaMo-
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It’s not a double bind.In post 556, Kazyan wrote:
AndIn post 555, Andresvmb wrote:
I don’t understand why you’re backing away from a fight so easily.In post 552, Kazyan wrote:Now that I'm not just grumping about fluffy posts, there doesn't appear to be anything scummy in this ISO. UNVOTE: GrandpaMothere'sthe double bind I predicted, kicking in right on schedule. Fantastic.
Look at DGB’s reaction when I confronted them about their read of my slot. Or Enchant’s for that matter. I’m not saying these slots are Town btw (DGB I would argue is probably Town, Enchant is null / Scum Lean to me, and in any case, I don’t think they’re both Scum who have decided to push my slot at the same time). But your reaction sticks out in that you have seemed not to really believe in any one push you’re making. I would even say that You are consistently downplaying your pushes / reads. GrandpaMo’s ISO is not great, as Nathann clearly pointed out. But you arrive at this conclusion that there’s nothing Scummy there and just Unvote. I don’t get it.-
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I don’t have to work anything out with GrandpaMo - I haven’t even read their ISO just yet, though Nathann’s points seem reasonable to me (despite that hedge that it could be Town that believes their contributions so far merit a Town read). I do expect I’ll have to make up my own mind about the slot soon - GMo is seeing pressure and it’s definitely worthwhile to take a closer look.In post 557, Kazyan wrote:Andre is over here arguing with people for not deferring to Jolyene, and GMo is arguing with me for the opposite. You two, work that out with each other.-
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In post 91, GrandpaMo wrote:also i will probably post a serious post sometime later today as i see there was page 3 full of infoIn post 115, GrandpaMo wrote:
Damn knowing that there is 2 maf alive -- this makes Nixie more town here due to townslipping.In post 107, Nixie wrote:Everyone, shush about the IC bs. It's a normal game, ICs have set rules and it has absolutely exactly nothing to do with anything. It's a mod confirm not some fake news. I didn't expect to have to explain why fox news is a bad news source to people on this website ffs.
Alice, dwlee, geraintm are the three scum. We can pack it up.
ger is engaging in an inane conversation with no relevance but originally framed it as having relevance. Alice is trying to make friends and shoot for cred off it which is text book scum stuff. Dwlee is just being dumb, probably not actually scum, but best guess so far.In post 116, GrandpaMo wrote:2 mafia means two things, either mafia is very strong
or town is very weak (almost to mountainous)
91, 115, 116 and 311 are as bad a sequence as you’ll find in a game of Mafia. The “I’m bored” together with the “I’ll make a serious post later” to the “I’m lazy” is outright Scummy. Those posts alone merit a negative Lean. How you can read those and come out with the conclusion that there’s nothing Scummy in that ISO is beyond me.In post 311, GrandpaMo wrote:can someone give me a tldr im lazy rn-
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