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[T3]

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

never

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?

[T3]

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

Sounds like you two have history. Anything we should know about T3's town game? I trust that you'll be able to read them particularly well.. unless..

Margot Roden and I were in an f3 that ended yesterday, Margot instavoted me and Roden quickhammered.

[T3]

Salsa moonlogic probably comes from town.

[T3]

why

[T3]

mewtaph probtown
Datusii's analysis feels too deep to come from town him

[T3]

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

Sounds like you two have history. Anything we should know about T3's town game? I trust that you'll be able to read them particularly well.. unless..

Given my limited experience, what I will say is that if you think T3 is definitely scum, they are probably town. If you think they might be scum, they are probably town. If you think they are town, contact mods, bc they have been hacked.

Not a huge fan of Dwlee, or SF right now. There is also a lot of ATE coming from Mewtaph's slot that I really don't like. Nothing is grabbing me hard yet though. May just be frazzled by the three quarters of the ELO of the game I just lost being present

UNVOTE:

I won ONCE as endgame scum

[T3]

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

I'm continuing to be selfish here in not explaining my full thought process behind the vote but I don't think stating that you're applying additional pressure necessarily removes the teeth away from the vote. Nor do I have the intention of building a wagon, either. If that was my intention then I wouldn't have made the vote in the way that I did.

This isn’t really a town post but it’s a good post

This seems more likely to come from tonw Gamma.

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

Woa same

oh no

not again

if i'm thrown into a game with two millers again i'm not gonna be happy

you missed a Miller claim by T3

I'm mason millers with NM. NM is a Macho Encryptor, I'm a Doctor.

[T3]

why

don't play the fool with me, you know what you did

Yeah I do :/
VOTE: t3

[T3]

it was a joke?

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VOTE: kyo

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it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.

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I’m a Miller btw

Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?

i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer look

rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious

actually yeah
VOTE: kyouko

mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense

scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense

town

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?

i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer look

rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious

actually yeah
VOTE: kyouko

mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense

scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense

town

Shallow

unironic yes

[T3]

I don't really believe in meta

no

[T3]

imagine not hyperposting

[T3]

wooooo
i'm kind of disconnected from the game

[T3]

Are you scum

not in particular

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yes and no - i know iv *hates* playing scum, and yesterday me/dwlee/datsi/iv all came out of a game where iv was scum soloing and he hated it so. my guess is that if he rolled scum twice in a row, it's likely he's exhausted from it and has no willpower to post.

See this sucks because I don't want to read IV this way but also I can't ignore this

there's been times where i rolled scum multiple games in a row and it made me want to move to the mountains with no access to internet, but it happens sometimes and it's a sucks2bu situation and it sucks overall but like, i can't simply just ignore it because i've seen first hand how much iv hates playing scum so

i know it's not a slam-dunk because town!iv also sometimes lurks and real-life is a thing and blah blah but like, i can't just ignore it >_>

I just had four newbie scum games in a row so I can definitely attest to this mindset. I like playing scum but it's so mentally draining to roll scum multiple times in a row.

same tbh

[T3]

time to do stuff

[T3]

alright, here's something to work off of:

10 was wordy in a way that's (in my opinion) more likely to come from scum, but it's so *slightly* more more likely to come from scum that it might as well just be personality, and i don't know you, so it's nai overall.

12 however, seems forced. it was made 40 minutes after 10, meaning that you had read 3 at the time you first posted in the thread, but chose not to say anything about it - implying 12 wasn't your first though when you read 3, and instead it was thought of 40 minutes later. considering noting much happened from 10 to 12, it gives off an impression that you wish to give off the appearance of solviness rather than actually being solvy naturally, if going by the assumption that a town player wishing to solve would've immediately thought of writing 12.

furthermore, 12 sets up some future expectations for margot and t3. while it potentially could be some sort of reaction test, to me it reads more as posturing for potential future pushes around those two players. especially since it seems like you don't know either of them - why would you be putting trust in margot to read t3 correctly then?

considering you said you saw votes coming, it means you're at least on some level aware you're coming off as slightly scummy now. whether it's because you're a town player who's aware of how he's coming across, or a scum player who's tmi-ing his own alignment, remains to be seen. i don't know your skill level - if you're a more skilled player, i'd be slightly more likely to assume the former, if not, i'd assume the latter.

and finally, the fact that omega voted you gives me vaguely positive vibes from him, since if he's arrived at the same conclusion that i did ("mewtaph is worthy of a vote"), that slightly increases the odds that omega and i had a similar thought process getting there, and as i am town, it makes him slightly more likely than random to also be town in my eyes.

i can't believe i paused my game to type up page 1 analysis that's likely to be worthless by the time we hit page 5, but here we are.

pedit: or that. maybe that would've been a better idea to post.

This post is reading way too deep into stuff

[T3]

Kyouko do you have any reads besides T3? Same for Mew, do you have any reads?

I'll have to reread in the morning. Very tired rn and just catching up. T3's posting is now reminding me of how he crumbed traitor in FIA WRC. Answering "not particularly" to "are you scum", and combining his claim that he is disconnected from the game with his commentary on rolling scum being draining feels the same as FIA WRC. He would make inane comments on a lot of things, and hidden in each of those comments was a subtle hint. It was painfully obvious to ManateeGal and I that he was our Traitor, then he went and faked a detective guilty on MG and the whole game fell apart.

Oh I just remembered this is the mewtaph game. I metad him recently, think I found a scumtell. Not present in his towngames and is present here at least.

Hence my vote and the "meta bad" comment

Fair, I think this post probably comes from town.

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I don't think scum dwlee would box himself into a vt claim this early.

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is salsa always at the top of post count game? damn

Datisi looks like he’s doing his thing where he’s imposing himself on the game and that scummy jk it’s probably not

It's usually me lol

[T3]

I still think kyo is scum.
Practically all the game is just Salsa spam

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I'm town though - is Salsa still town for you or nah?

Town.

[T3]

I'm going to reread the game and see if I can produce more content.

[T3]

Hey everyone.

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined.

Is this a joke?

[T3]

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

Sounds like you two have history. Anything we should know about T3's town game? I trust that you'll be able to read them particularly well.. unless..

This feels like scum faking content right off the bat, nothing to vote over.

[T3]

VOTE: Mewtaph

VOTE: mewtaph

Datisi/Chaos aren't pared from this.

[T3]

I have to admit, I saw that one coming. Naked votes don't give me much to personally work off of, though.

@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).

10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.

@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.

This self-awareness usually comes from town.

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

This claim (knowing now that it's serious) is enough for me to locktown NM.

[T3]

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

Sounds like you two have history. Anything we should know about T3's town game? I trust that you'll be able to read them particularly well.. unless..

TMIing something??

This observation *probably* comes from town Salsa.

[T3]

can you please condense this into one post? comments on like every post since page one is gonna be annoying as hell

I'll comment as I'm reading, then condense it into the longest quotewall ever.

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

Should I believe this??

This post sticks out to me as somewhat scummy and I'm not sure why.

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@Salsabil Faria: Sure. I know that voting somebody with a reason of "applying pressure" is redundant. I got what I wanted out of the vote, which was a reaction out of you. I feel confident enough in my town lean on you to move my vote.

VOTE: Roden
I didn't know the game was bastard...

This vote is essentially null. I'd like to see you move your vote sometime soon (even if that person happens to be me). This vote could just as easily gone to T3 in my eyes.

VOTE: Dwlee99

I'm not sure if this is just like 2016 player meta but this is a ??? reason to vote someone.

[T3]

VOTE: innocentvillager

wtf tbh
VOTE: iv

[T3]

I'm VT please ignore me

I'm tempted to townread Dwlee for this VT claim.

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can't wait for 5 pages of bloat that nobody is gonna wanna read, yay

It's my secret scum strategy: spam 340 posts so everyone gets demotivated trying to keep up with me
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504

[T3]

VOTE: Margot
DIE SCUM DIE!

wot

[T3]

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

I'm continuing to be selfish here in not explaining my full thought process behind the vote but I don't think stating that you're applying additional pressure necessarily removes the teeth away from the vote. Nor do I have the intention of building a wagon, either. If that was my intention then I wouldn't have made the vote in the way that I did.

This isn’t really a town post but it’s a good post

I don't really see scum making this post, it kind of just feels unnecessary.

[T3]

after looking at that iso for a whole 5 seconds, i can vote margot

VOTE: margot

Why?
None of Margot's posts pinged me either way.

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okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

sigh

Never ever kill Datisi. idc if there is a cop guilty, kill the cop.

may i ask why?

Cause you're town this game

This would normally be town indicative but this is also vaguely reminding me of Dwlee/cyrus (s/t) interactions in ODM so nah

[T3]

After the end of page 4 I'm comfortable townreading Datisi and Dwlee.

[T3]

I'm used to kyo posting more content but I'm don't have statistics to back this up atm

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?

i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer look

rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious

actually yeah
VOTE: kyouko

mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense

scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense

We're ~vaguely~ on the same wavelength.

[T3]

UNVOTE: kyo
This might be something of a townslip. Roden being IC seems like something scum would discuss in their PT.

[T3]

I am happy you are back T3!

[T3]

Someone isn't scum because they don't detect a joke

(1) nsg would disagree with you

(2) i was never saying that, my whole argument is that she very well knew it was a joke and is pretending otherwise in order to shitpush t3

i am wondering if i'm wrong because the push on ic seemed genuine enough, i imagine scum talked about him by now, and dunno if scum thinks to fake suspecting the ic

Statistically, not detecting jokes is slightly scum indicative.

[T3]

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

Activity is NAI for me.

[T3]

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

On this, I just don't think their energy is allegiance indicative. I think they are pretty low energy generally. They were a Town PR in another game I played with them recently and their energy was at about the same level, before and after they had outed themself

talking about ongoing games be like

[T3]

Salsa moonlogic probably comes from town.

What is moonlogic?

bad and elaborate logic

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it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.

though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guess

town

why?

I think T3 saying Kyo failed the reaction test means she's just town. Town doesn't give a shit about looking good, but scum sure does.

I thought the opposite.

DkKoba

said one of our previous games where

ssbm

was scum that they're flat as scum (meant weird pushes as strongly), I'm seeing this here.

YESSS AGREED

[T3]

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

Umm, no actually... I saw active scum!

T3

, it's NAI for them.

Yeah
I just played a scumgame where I posted 340 times in an 80 page game

[T3]

Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.

what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townie

It's not actually super townie yet but like

T3

said, 74 likely comes from town!

Gamma

as they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm.
191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.

MINDMELD ON 74

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i'm getting positive vibes from margot and i'm interested in what my evil clone thinks of her now

Margot feels a little better but I still have things I want out of her

Also SF feels like town because their reads feel sensible and I think that tends to be the case when they’re town

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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yes and no - i know iv *hates* playing scum, and yesterday me/dwlee/datsi/iv all came out of a game where iv was scum soloing and he hated it so. my guess is that if he rolled scum twice in a row, it's likely he's exhausted from it and has no willpower to post.

See this sucks because I don't want to read IV this way but also I can't ignore this

there's been times where i rolled scum multiple games in a row and it made me want to move to the mountains with no access to internet, but it happens sometimes and it's a sucks2bu situation and it sucks overall but like, i can't simply just ignore it because i've seen first hand how much iv hates playing scum so

i know it's not a slam-dunk because town!iv also sometimes lurks and real-life is a thing and blah blah but like, i can't just ignore it >_>

Do I even have to say how towny Datisi is?

[T3]

imagine not hyperposting

Means I'm getting the highest post number rank

Not today, not today.

[T3]

lmao I forgot about this game oop

hmmmmm

[T3]

This post is reading way too deep into stuff

yes
almost as if it was made halfway through page 1 of the game
what's the point of this comment

@t3 i would like you to actually answer things

Nothing.

[T3]

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

does this mean that you read us as town, but you're cautious about committing to the read? if so, what about us is giving you pause (and what do you find townie about t3?)? if that's not what you meant, can you rephrase?

First question - yes. What's giving me pause is scumranges. As much as I'd like to lock my townreads in confidently and move on I think I'll find it hard to do so this game specifically with your two slots. The reason I'm townreading T3 - a level of engagement or disengagement with the game that I think comes off as townie and is hard, but not impossible to replicate as scum. Datisi, your play similarly is also most likely within your scum range but I think it's hard to keep your level of gamesolving up as scum without pushing yourself into a corner eventually. I haven't played with T3 before but it seems that other players that have played with him before (Margot) are giving him credit for his scumgame so I'm doing the same.

Disengagement on day 1 is actually pretty strongly indicative for me because meta

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Do I even have to say how towny Datisi is?

how is 291 the post that makes you say that?

Disengagement on day 1 is actually pretty strongly indicative for me because meta

town or scum indicative?

The last line of the post seemed like town weirdposting - weirdposting is the wrong word but yeah

Town.

[T3]

mewtaph is faker 2.0 so prolly town

Huh this feels towny?

[T3]

Nm is miller and therefore confirmed town very cool

TMI?

[T3]

Nm is miller and therefore confirmed town very cool

TMI?

[T3]

Mewtaph Scumgame Newbie 1764

Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.

Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.

Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.

You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.

I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.

@Van/

DBW

Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner

: What do you think about the game state thus far?

Mewtaph Towngame Micro 668

I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.

Notes

As scum, Mewtaph has indicated that getting out of RVS ("keeps the game moving") is towny. He also indicates that deep analysis early on is unlikely to come from scum. As town, he thinks analysus of RVS posts is long-winded and a time sink, which to me indicates he sees it negatively, or scummy, or as anti-town. So he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum. Additionally, the "deep analysis" is often what leads to games coming out of RVS, because it gets people talking about the deep analysis.

I think that Mewtaph made 10/12 for towncred because in his scum mindset, he sees keeping the game moving as towny. I think it is suspicious that in this game, Mewtaph has a placid response to Datisi's over-analysis of Mewtaph's own 10/12, because townreading over-analysis is something he does as scum, but not as town.

Some quotes that support the Notes:

@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).

10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.

@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.

snipped for brevity

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for

since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post

. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.

Now THIS is a town Kyo wall.

[T3]

Mewtaph Scumgame Newbie 1764

Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.

Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.

Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.

You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.

I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.

@Van/

DBW

Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner

: What do you think about the game state thus far?

Mewtaph Towngame Micro 668

I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.

Notes

As scum, Mewtaph has indicated that getting out of RVS ("keeps the game moving") is towny. He also indicates that deep analysis early on is unlikely to come from scum. As town, he thinks analysus of RVS posts is long-winded and a time sink, which to me indicates he sees it negatively, or scummy, or as anti-town. So he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum. Additionally, the "deep analysis" is often what leads to games coming out of RVS, because it gets people talking about the deep analysis.

I think that Mewtaph made 10/12 for towncred because in his scum mindset, he sees keeping the game moving as towny. I think it is suspicious that in this game, Mewtaph has a placid response to Datisi's over-analysis of Mewtaph's own 10/12, because townreading over-analysis is something he does as scum, but not as town.

Some quotes that support the Notes:

@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).

10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.

@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.

snipped for brevity

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for

since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post

. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.

Now THIS is a town Kyo wall.

[T3]

And that is the end of my catchup!

[T3]

Spoiler:

Hey everyone.

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined.

Is this a joke?

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

Sounds like you two have history. Anything we should know about T3's town game? I trust that you'll be able to read them particularly well.. unless..

This feels like scum faking content right off the bat, nothing to vote over.

VOTE: Mewtaph

VOTE: mewtaph

Datisi/Chaos aren't pared from this.

I have to admit, I saw that one coming. Naked votes don't give me much to personally work off of, though.

@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).

10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.

@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.

This self-awareness usually comes from town.

I’m a Miller btw

This claim (knowing now that it's serious) is enough for me to locktown NM.

VOTE: T3

One of these days I'll be right. Going by the math

Sounds like you two have history. Anything we should know about T3's town game? I trust that you'll be able to read them particularly well.. unless..

TMIing something??

This observation *probably* comes from town Salsa.

I’m a Miller btw

Should I believe this??

This post sticks out to me as somewhat scummy and I'm not sure why.

@Salsabil Faria: Sure. I know that voting somebody with a reason of "applying pressure" is redundant. I got what I wanted out of the vote, which was a reaction out of you. I feel confident enough in my town lean on you to move my vote.

VOTE: Roden
I didn't know the game was bastard...

This vote is essentially null. I'd like to see you move your vote sometime soon (even if that person happens to be me). This vote could just as easily gone to T3 in my eyes.

VOTE: Dwlee99

I'm not sure if this is just like 2016 player meta but this is a ??? reason to vote someone.

VOTE: innocentvillager

wtf tbh
VOTE: iv

I'm VT please ignore me

I'm tempted to townread Dwlee for this VT claim.

can't wait for 5 pages of bloat that nobody is gonna wanna read, yay

It's my secret scum strategy: spam 340 posts so everyone gets demotivated trying to keep up with me
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504

VOTE: Margot
DIE SCUM DIE!

wot

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

I'm continuing to be selfish here in not explaining my full thought process behind the vote but I don't think stating that you're applying additional pressure necessarily removes the teeth away from the vote. Nor do I have the intention of building a wagon, either. If that was my intention then I wouldn't have made the vote in the way that I did.

This isn’t really a town post but it’s a good post

I don't really see scum making this post, it kind of just feels unnecessary.

after looking at that iso for a whole 5 seconds, i can vote margot

VOTE: margot

Why?
None of Margot's posts pinged me either way.

okay either you're fucking up a fakeclaim or playing some galaxy brain reaction test that i don't get bc universal miller isn't normal and miller can only be called miller in a normal so like idek

sigh

Never ever kill Datisi. idc if there is a cop guilty, kill the cop.

may i ask why?

Cause you're town this game

This would normally be town indicative but this is also vaguely reminding me of Dwlee/cyrus (s/t) interactions in ODM so nah

After the end of page 4 I'm comfortable townreading Datisi and Dwlee.

I'm used to kyo posting more content but I'm don't have statistics to back this up atm

I’m a Miller btw

Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?

i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer look

rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious

actually yeah
VOTE: kyouko

mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense

scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense

We're ~vaguely~ on the same wavelength.

UNVOTE: kyo
This might be something of a townslip. Roden being IC seems like something scum would discuss in their PT.

Someone isn't scum because they don't detect a joke

(1) nsg would disagree with you

(2) i was never saying that, my whole argument is that she very well knew it was a joke and is pretending otherwise in order to shitpush t3

i am wondering if i'm wrong because the push on ic seemed genuine enough, i imagine scum talked about him by now, and dunno if scum thinks to fake suspecting the ic

Statistically, not detecting jokes is slightly scum indicative.

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

Activity is NAI for me.

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

On this, I just don't think their energy is allegiance indicative. I think they are pretty low energy generally. They were a Town PR in another game I played with them recently and their energy was at about the same level, before and after they had outed themself

talking about ongoing games be like

Salsa moonlogic probably comes from town.

What is moonlogic?

bad and elaborate logic

it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.

though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guess

town

why?

I think T3 saying Kyo failed the reaction test means she's just town. Town doesn't give a shit about looking good, but scum sure does.

I thought the opposite.

DkKoba

said one of our previous games where

ssbm

was scum that they're flat as scum (meant weird pushes as strongly), I'm seeing this here.

YESSS AGREED

T3's generally low activity is also just pinging me in general right now. I know he tends to lay low when he gets pressure as scum, but fights and hyper posts when he's town. He's even said similarly in past games.

Umm, no actually... I saw active scum!

T3

, it's NAI for them.

Yeah
I just played a scumgame where I posted 340 times in an 80 page game

Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.

what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townie

It's not actually super townie yet but like

T3

said, 74 likely comes from town!

Gamma

as they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm.
191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.

MINDMELD ON 74

i'm getting positive vibes from margot and i'm interested in what my evil clone thinks of her now

Margot feels a little better but I still have things I want out of her

Also SF feels like town because their reads feel sensible and I think that tends to be the case when they’re town

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yes and no - i know iv *hates* playing scum, and yesterday me/dwlee/datsi/iv all came out of a game where iv was scum soloing and he hated it so. my guess is that if he rolled scum twice in a row, it's likely he's exhausted from it and has no willpower to post.

See this sucks because I don't want to read IV this way but also I can't ignore this

there's been times where i rolled scum multiple games in a row and it made me want to move to the mountains with no access to internet, but it happens sometimes and it's a sucks2bu situation and it sucks overall but like, i can't simply just ignore it because i've seen first hand how much iv hates playing scum so

i know it's not a slam-dunk because town!iv also sometimes lurks and real-life is a thing and blah blah but like, i can't just ignore it >_>

Do I even have to say how towny Datisi is?

imagine not hyperposting

Means I'm getting the highest post number rank

Not today, not today.

lmao I forgot about this game oop

hmmmmm

This post is reading way too deep into stuff

yes
almost as if it was made halfway through page 1 of the game
what's the point of this comment

@t3 i would like you to actually answer things

Nothing.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

does this mean that you read us as town, but you're cautious about committing to the read? if so, what about us is giving you pause (and what do you find townie about t3?)? if that's not what you meant, can you rephrase?

First question - yes. What's giving me pause is scumranges. As much as I'd like to lock my townreads in confidently and move on I think I'll find it hard to do so this game specifically with your two slots. The reason I'm townreading T3 - a level of engagement or disengagement with the game that I think comes off as townie and is hard, but not impossible to replicate as scum. Datisi, your play similarly is also most likely within your scum range but I think it's hard to keep your level of gamesolving up as scum without pushing yourself into a corner eventually. I haven't played with T3 before but it seems that other players that have played with him before (Margot) are giving him credit for his scumgame so I'm doing the same.

Disengagement on day 1 is actually pretty strongly indicative for me because meta

mewtaph is faker 2.0 so prolly town

Huh this feels towny?

Nm is miller and therefore confirmed town very cool

TMI?

Mewtaph Scumgame Newbie 1764

Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.

Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.

Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.

You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.

I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.

@Van/

DBW

Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner

: What do you think about the game state thus far?

Mewtaph Towngame Micro 668

I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.

Notes

As scum, Mewtaph has indicated that getting out of RVS ("keeps the game moving") is towny. He also indicates that deep analysis early on is unlikely to come from scum. As town, he thinks analysus of RVS posts is long-winded and a time sink, which to me indicates he sees it negatively, or scummy, or as anti-town. So he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum. Additionally, the "deep analysis" is often what leads to games coming out of RVS, because it gets people talking about the deep analysis.

I think that Mewtaph made 10/12 for towncred because in his scum mindset, he sees keeping the game moving as towny. I think it is suspicious that in this game, Mewtaph has a placid response to Datisi's over-analysis of Mewtaph's own 10/12, because townreading over-analysis is something he does as scum, but not as town.

Some quotes that support the Notes:

@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).

10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.

@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.

snipped for brevity

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for

since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post

. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.

Now THIS is a town Kyo wall.

Quotewall time!

Spoilered - Gypyx

[T3]

i said he was scum because he wasn't enthusiastic and in response he decided to spampost a bunch of nonsense

Pretty much.

[T3]

Mewtaph’s posts seem kind of secretive which is +town

[T3]

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

^This is how far I currently am in a reread. I have thoughts to add on datsi. I've come to expect him to not vibe with me regardless of both of our alignments, so nothing is off there. I do think I can read him well with time and am just going to postpone that.

Dwlee I still think could have been pocketing me before I realized Roden was IC but overall they seem like town!dwlee so far.

I tried to meta MargotRosa the other day just before Mewtaph, because the parroting pinged me, but the words she used are part of her normal vernacular and I couldn't find evidence of her parroting as a scumtell in other games.

Speaking of Mewtaph, specifically what I found in his meta is that as scum he has made a big deal of getting the game out of RVS. It was a newbie game from a long time ago but he hasn't played many games. I think he's still new to scum and that this is still a viable tell. *puts on a tinfoil hat* Now for the juicy bit. Datisi coming into the game swinging on Mewtaph's opener could be a partner interaction. My theory is that Mewtaph came into the PT and voiced that he is new and/or uncomfortable playing scum. Datisi strikes me as a good scum player (have not metad them yet, but I get the vibe from their posting that they would be good at it), and I think that they could have planned for Datisi to make the push early and veer off in order to discourage wagons later in D1 and build cred for Datisi at the same time. I feel like when someone was a wagon early and their wagon dissipates that town is often hesitant to revisit the first wagon unless they've exhausted other scumreads and realized "hey, my original read might have been right because all these other players I've tried to pressure today are towntelling."

All that said, Datisi could have just sniped Mewtaph's ass and I'm not

convinced

Datisi is scum with Mewtaph. Just wanted to share this.

Aristeia I feel has been lackluster and hasn't been touched yet despite being obviously LHF, so that could be an indication that either scum are content with the current state or she is scum.

Chaos I haven't had to read before as I was scum in Large 233, but cOOl vibrations™ from them so far.

I'm always down to policy N_M early just in case, because I'm likely to defend a policy elim on him later in the game, and if he's scum that could put me in a difficult spot again. Also he left that note on my car in Dead Silence III which he may have accidentally meant to leave on my car in this game where he is actually mafia???

Uhh Roden is IC, voiced opinions on T3... I actually think the "Salsa moonlogic is town" comes from town!T3 so I'm conflicted on his slot atm.

Salsa as well I think is town from the tone and the direction of her questioning. This is a meta read.

I think that's thoughts on everyone but IV who had a weak entrance, and I'm waiting on more from, and Roden who is confirmed.

If I were to make a list right now:

Salsa
ChaosOmega, Dwlee
MargotRosa, Datisi
N_M, datsi*, IV
Aristeia, T3
-
Mewtaph

Nulls: N_M I'm not bothering with yet. I'll try later if I have to. Datsi I think I will be able to read with enough time. innocentvillager needs more posts for me. Aristeia is not falling into null for the same reason as IV because Aristeia's lack of content is being ignored, but IV's is not.

UNVOTE: ssbm

Ok, the town!

ssbm

is here and the @ part was hilarious

Back to business:

Aris

's

don't @me

gives me a ping in a scummy way. I also asked them about the reads but not get any answer yet.

What do you think about

N_M

's millar claim btw as you want to policy eliminate them today?

Mind meld 2.0

[T3]

I’m a Miller btw

This claim (knowing now that it's serious) is enough for me to locktown NM.

Wait, how do you know it’s serious??

He said it was serious later.

[T3]

VOTE: innocentvillager

wtf tbh
VOTE: iv

Dude! You're susing

Mew

at the same time sheeping their vote is very ???????

Oh I’m dumb I was trying to vote new there.

[T3]

This post is reading way too deep into stuff

yes
almost as if it was made halfway through page 1 of the game
what's the point of this comment

@t3 i would like you to actually answer things

Nothing.

Why? You scumread them for the deep analysis at first, then now saying they're super townie?

I did scumread Darius for deep analysis but my read on him has changed.

[T3]

VOTE: T3
The stuff you’re saying about him makes sense though

Don't know your and

Datisi

's history with

Aris

but the spoilers and the private interaction in between is making me paranoid

Is there any pocketing attempt going on somehow?

Ari posts anime gifs to Darius.

[T3]

VOTE: innocentvillager

[T3]

iv's reaction feels good.

[T3]

Sooo that flashwagon happened and I'm reading IV as pretty hard town after that.

I'm not sure about hard town, but yeah. He ate'd in a game I moderated after being run up as scum.

[T3]

Mewtaph’s posts seem kind of secretive which is +town

Not following?

I've found that quietly solving the game and making a point of not telling people what your reads are usually comes form town.

[T3]

fun fact, that is the third time someone called me Darius on this site
also stop it

VOTE: InnocentVillager

That's e-1. What's your role?

i usually hate using the word, but this actually feels a bit opportunistic, especially with n_m in game. were you suddenly fine with ending the day?

Autocorrect.

[T3]

Like, I don't know how everyone else is playing this game, but I want to get scum reading off something that isn't just casual back and forth conversation and some person getting a gut read based on whether someone used punctuation the way they normally do or not

That's kind of just MS tbh

[T3]

Mewtaph’s posts seem kind of secretive which is +town

could you describe where you're seeing this

Mewtaph was effectively saying 'I'll elaborate in time, please don't make me say my reasoning'

[T3]

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Why? -_-

[T3]

CAN I METADIVE DWLEE
THE SEQUEL

[T3]

O SHIT I MIGHT HAVE FOUND A TELL

[T3]

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Why? -_-

You only show up to post when someone mentions your name and then you spam a bunch of nonsense, it feels like you're following along/reading but only contributing when you feel threatened and your contributions don't even make sense.

I post every day after school and then sometimes before school, I usually can't post in between that.

[T3]

According to the tell, you are town.

[T3]

Oh yeah and like 70% of the content happens during school.

[T3]

I really don't want to reveal this tell because this is the holy grail of meta tells (note that Dwlee has no scumgames since Open Draft so this tell might have gone away)

[T3]

I really don't want to reveal this tell because this is the holy grail of meta tells (note that Dwlee has no scumgames since Open Draft so this tell might have gone away)

Have you checked it against all 30+ of my games since May?

It's accurate across 9 towngames and 2 scumgames and those are all the ones I've checked.

[T3]

Mewtaph’s posts seem kind of secretive which is +town

Not following?

I've found that quietly solving the game and making a point of not telling people what your reads are usually comes form town.

You learn that by seeing yourself play?
Also idk if the description you gave fits what Mew has been doing

Just from what I've seen other people do

[T3]

I also don't buy that IV "forgot about this game" when you have to confirm via PM that you know your role and are still available to play, and you then receive another PM to let you know that D1 has officially started.

That doesn't really seem like the kind of thing scum would lie about.

[T3]

VOTE: t3

too many slots feel like mud right now, this game is tiring. i feel weird feelings about mew? like he's plenty active in the game but i cannot figure out what he's trying to do and whether he's trying to do anything in the first place. it's weird.

also, i am kind of disappointed nobody tried to interact with my discussion of kyouko's case. or to convince me she's town. oh well.

I'm trying to solve the game.

[T3]

tldr what are your reads then?

Datisi - Hard town
MargotRosa - Null
Salsabil Faria - Hard town
Not_Mafia - Hard town
Aristeia - Lean scum
ssbm_Kyouko - Lean town
Mewtaph - Lean town
datsi - Lean town
T3 - Obv scum
Dwlee99 - Town
ChaosOmega - Null scum
innocentvillager - Null town
Roden - Obv scum

[T3]

why is salsa hard town and why are you voting a null town?

mindmelt
cuz

[T3]

UNVOTE: iv
I'm liking iv's reaction.

[T3]

why is salsa hard town and why are you voting a null town?

mindmelt
cuz

This is approaching performance art levels of scummy now

Every time I've seen extreme conviction of me being scum it's almost always been from town?
I still don't like Ari's posts though.

[T3]

Why datsi? I think they made some pretty good posts which I believe was coming from town atm.

what posts of datsi did you like? i don't think i saw anything super townie

It's not actually super townie yet but like

T3

said, 74 likely comes from town!

Gamma

as they made weird posts as town more than as scum.
Then in 78, I kind of get where they're coming from but only agree about you from that list atm.
191, 203 understandable from 78. Overall I'm getting the lay back/relax vibe from them which I think town indicative for them, as scum they appear to be more solvy from my experience with scum!them.

MINDMELD ON 74

T3 this is the only reason you TR Salsa?

Multiple mindmelds.

[T3]

VOTE: margot

[T3]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504 is my most recent scumgame.

[T3]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504 is my most recent scumgame.

i don't do second hand meta
elaborating on your existing reads would do you more favours

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

what do you think of iv's recent batch of posts?

:/

[T3]

kinda like a gut feeling
it can be explained in big words and fancy mafia language that i don't know about

[T3]

Scum iv does AtE when run up.

[T3]

Massive resistance is not a scumtell.

[T3]

iv meta time

[T3]

Scum iv in 912 seemed resigned to his fate but scumhunted to the very end. He then ate'd and was like "no one will ever listen to me"

[T3]

In MN 2207 town iv got angry. He didn't provide any final reads and started yelling at the people who scumread him.

[T3]

In MN 2163 town iv got exasperated but also continued to scumhunt. He AtE'd for a little bit and got exasperated. He also called himself "obvtown" in 2163 and 2207.

[T3]

Conclusion on how iv responds to pressure: There aren't enough games to meta him by.

[T3]

this is just general @ari, margot, roden/whoever keeps coming at me for the "AtE" i did

i don't think my frustration spilling out is scum!indicative in any world, but that's just knowing the kind of player i am and none of you really know me

like I said (also @T3 who tried to meta me) im a player who does tend to get upset and fiery when run up for various reasons as town and i emulate it sometimes as scum. this one was especially bad because of the TIMEFRAME, that is something you are leaving out of your posts and is being abstracted away more and more as the event gets further from us. imagine being me, finally rolling green out of hiatus after an uphill scumgame, and immediately getting flashwagoned less than 24 hours into entrance based on some weak Datisi case that he kept pushing as a confident reason (the wording he used was "iv is likely scum because X, Y from meta, and I know how he plays"). fine, i agree now he didn't expect me to get flashwagoned like that that early but it was really confident for that early stage and he should've know how much sway he might've had given how much experience he has with me. i don't really scumread datisi anymore (still not sure if i townlean him) but that's just what i was thinking at the time

so im not sure why my emotions seemed so foreign or scum-motivated. like i could've just not gotten to play at all and gotten lolhammered by NM or scum. i also enjoy playing with ppl like datisi even if we get into dumb little shitfights sometimes lol. if i were to get rewagoned now based on genuine concerns on my latest posting, id be upset but don't think id shit up a storm or anything because at least i got a chance to play this game

again it seems ppl took issue with my "AtE" or whatever so im trying to do less of that now

also @T3 there are more games than the ones you meta'd where i blow up a bit so it's not really a sample size thing, it's just something i do as both alignments probably. i appreciate the meta effort tho

Recent games.

[T3]

I'm not really sure what differences there are in my meta. I've been told that I give off a similar vibe and both town and scum but the way I treat individual slots is different.

[T3]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

I can't reveal my secrets so soon. I'm waiting on more people to post, some with more attention than others. Your posts are really good imo but I am a bit biased.

I think Mewtaph is town for this?

[T3]

The way Mewtaph is essentially going "I'll say why this is true later" is reminding me of RC in another game. Very similar play in regards to that, both players had returned from a hiatus.

[T3]

The way Mewtaph is essentially going "I'll say why this is true later" is reminding me of RC in another game. Very similar play in regards to that, both players had returned from a hiatus.

you mean like in that game where rc was scum and you were his partner?

RadiantCowbells

[T3]

lol fuck lmfao

which game did you play with RC?

An offsite game, run by none other than shellyc.

[T3]

Lying about meta to townread someone you know is town is something scum 100% do (I think t3 has done this before)

When?

[T3]

datisi what do you think of mew's latest posts? i kind of think they're open and genuine and super weird in a way that scum wouldn't be able to fabricate well.

ironically enough, mew is also reminding me of rce that game i mentioned above... in the sense that he's definitely reading the game and has reads and is solving, but my eyes are completely glazing over everything and none of it is properly registering as ai. which may be my fault, idk.

can you point out what posts you find open / genuine / super weird for scum specifically? you might as well be right, i just don't see it rn

This post feels kind of genuine.

[T3]

lol fuck lmfao

which game did you play with RC?

An offsite game, run by none other than shellyc.

ah, so that's where RC plays now? thanks

MU -> Partner Communities -> mafia.gg ->Mini Normal 2: Waterfalls

[T3]

I'm town, y'all just boring

VOTE: nm
He said the EXACT same thing in 2223 when he had a few votes.

[T3]

He said something was scummy cause of a lie but in a different game had said provable lies aren't scum! indicative.

I can vote t3 with you
VOTE: T3

Yeah that was a slip.

[T3]

It a sort of hitting-your-head-against-a-wall tone I feel like scum typically display when trying to sway an IC or pseudo-IC

tbh not trying to be mean but i find roden pretty annoying (just this game nothing personal) and i kind of vibed with Mew's sentiment myself so i don't see it as scummy. like i just don't really want to interact with him because he's just been dead set on voteparking me, claiming the only thing i do is AtE making it seem like im some super scum for that, taking potshots at me, calling me elim-bait etc. and ari just gets to sheep him because he's IC and i don't really feel like i can do anything about this situation. idk im in kind of a unique spot for him tho

You literally haven't even attempted to talk to me yet. Saying I'm annoying for making my case on you is just wild if you aren't going to do anything to convince me I'm wrong. Especially when all you've done is complain about Datisi and Margot.

i mean you haven't attempted to talk to me either and everytime you mention me it feels like you're potshotting me hard

ever since you last voted me you kept your vote on me pretty consistently so it feels like you're set on voteparking me, idk why you think im misrepping you there? and you even called me elimbait that never ever makes it to elo so?

im not trying to be a dick sorry if ive coming off as one it's just how i felt

this is so manipulative

your entire game plan is to be a dick to the people voting for you

you're like a giant omgusy hedgehog

I'm soooooooooo tempted to townread this post ;-;

[T3]

why do you two keep calling me manipulative

I believe the emotions you put into the thread are carefully curated to manipulate the people reading them and not geniune.

it’s just frustrating to be continually just blanketly called manipulative when it’s literally not what I’m doing

This reaction is genuine?

[T3]

Is the N_M a policy elimination, or is there more stuff like T3's vote which seems to have further justification?

My NM vote is like half policy and half shotgun meta.

[T3]

why are we fighting when we could be voting t3

seriously he's jumping on any viable vote with minimal explanation

#opportunismisnotascumtell

[T3]

Hi, I'm alive but hospitalized. I can play this game but not as much actively I normally play atm, sorry for that.

I read the game and think at least one scum is in this FoS list (in no particular order) of mine:

N_M
Mew
T3
CO
iv

N_M

's millar claim can be come from scum!him despite of not claiming millar before which I can't talk about rn.

The town!

CO

I saw is not similar here which I also can't talk about yet.

But I'll not touch them yet as I need to discuss about it which I can't atm.

Mew

and

iv

are playing very weirdly/open wolfingly. One have reads but not disclosing and the other is getting frustrated + their reads aren’t making sense to me that much. Overall, not my cup of tea! I've to sheep others for sorting them ig.

I can do

T3

rn ig... can't case them atm (as I'm gonna sleep early) but some posts were pinged me + my gut feeling is saying they rolled scum again.

UNVOTE: Aris

VOTE: T3

I hope you feel better soon.

Also I just remembered that NM claimed miller when reading this post so uh
UNVOTE: nm

[T3]

Also I just remembered that NM claimed miller when reading this post so uh
UNVOTE: nm

I’m aware he claimed Miller too, why do you think scum!nm wouldn’t do that?

He hasn't before

[T3]

and I don't think either Mewtaph or IV have said anything approaching "you can't suspect me because I can't handle it for mental health reasons."

yes

[T3]

What makes you believe Datisi can’t power wolf?
Also I’m probably not supporting a dwlee elim unless something substantial happens to change my mind because I feel like I focused in on something good early in the same sort of way I TRed Pooky in Radio Buzz, but it’s harder to pinpoint what exactly I liked atm

This post probably comes from town.

[T3]

T3 is also not a bad lim unless he happens to be a PR

oh joy

[T3]

VOTE: innocentvillager

wtf tbh
VOTE: iv

UNVOTE: kyo
This might be something of a townslip. Roden being IC seems like something scum would discuss in their PT.

This is weird to me because t3 didn't vote between 447 and 459 and no posts from IV happened (t3 was just catching up) but he tagged his thing as unvoting Kyo

When I voted iv I was trying to vote mew ftr
then I forgot I'd voted iv/mew

[T3]

votecount 1.12

T3 (3) :

Dwlee99 ; Salsabil Faria ; Roden

Innocentvillager (3) :

MargotRosa ; Aristeia ; ChaosOmega

Dwlee99 (2) :

Datisi ; ssbm_Kyouko

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

Not_Mafia (1) :

Not_Mafia

ssbm_Kyouko (1) :

Datsi

Not voting (1) :

T3

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-30 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

announcements

prodding not_Mafia

flavor

Rarity and curios… Sold at a profit, of course.

VOTE: marmot

[T3]

yeah town dwlee often has his POV align with a townie's

[T3]

I just realized that last sentence made no sense, ignore it
I'm kind of thinking out loud

[T3]

yay, another game when I'm run up as a poe lim approaching deadline

[T3]

it's 3 fkin am

[T3]

i'm vt

[T3]

Damn t3 I was hoping you'd at least eat a bullet with some of the pr implications you were giving off

;-;

[T3]

sorry I don’t really have time for this atm busy day ahead maybe tn maybe not

Didn’t look into MBOS more idk I believe Datisi ig That it at least mildly resembles that game so my TL there weakened a little

probs slightly town with the VT claim this claim to deadline too and no one really wants to save him except Margot? but p bad defense of a scumpartner so idk if they’re aligned

not reallly sure where to go would still rather kill Margot but T3 has been meh

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87442 is my most recent towngame

[T3]

VOTE: kyo

[T3]

imagine getting fake hammered by nm

[T3]

votecount 1.15

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi ; Not_Mafia

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (7) :

ChaosOmega ; Dwlee99 ; ssbm_Kyouko ; MargotRosa ; Roden ; innocentvillager ; Enchant

Execution !

ssbm_Kyouko (1) :

T3

Not voting (0) :

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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.

flavor

Spoiler:

The echoes of his mindless teetering reverberate maddeningly.

i know for a fact that Datisi is going to scumread me for avoiding iv's wagon like the plague

[T3]

well i was gonna wonder what in the fuck was that n_m vote switch but oh well

also lol he lies about being miller

anyway

t3 had chance to vote iv when his wagon was growing and yet he didn't

VOTE: t3

oh joy

[T3]

Wait so why do you think the wagons were SvS?

Datisi has talked about this in other games
if there are 2 competing wagons and the wagons are avoiding voting each other like the plague then they're s/s

[T3]

I would 100% be voting myself here ftr
Vigilante finder is very powerful because now that there are 2 kills there may be an ungated vig

[T3]

You avoided + townread them... @

T3

yes
yes i did

[T3]

I mean I saw/heard that scum usually try to save their pr, does your experience tell different thing?

If

T3

is really a town here, then

scums were off wagon (including me)

or they buss??

???

[T3]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

[T3]

@t3 why are you voting chaos

@dwlee who do you want to vote today that isn't t3

Poe
Dwlee ocktown btw

[T3]

considering chaos was a pretty early vote on iv and his content seemed fine otherwise, i'm gonna need a bit more than "poe"

i forgot he voted iv

[T3]

considering chaos was a pretty early vote on iv and his content seemed fine otherwise, i'm gonna need a bit more than "poe"

i forgot he voted iv

do you intend to say anything substantial this day phase or are you already going into antispew mode

.-.

[T3]

Datisi
MargotRosa - tonw
Salsabil Faria - tonw
Aristeia - dunno
ssbm_Kyouko - dunno
Enchant - dunno
datsi - tonw
T3 - scum
Dwlee99 - tonw
ChaosOmega - tonw
oh boy

[T3]

datisi locktown

[T3]

well i was gonna wonder what in the fuck was that n_m vote switch but oh well

also lol he lies about being miller

anyway

t3 had chance to vote iv when his wagon was growing and yet he didn't

VOTE: t3

oh joy

You made 1235 without seeing the vote first?

indeed

[T3]

iv was basically a mafia named checker who can also find a vig?

[T3]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

Bad vote

yes

[T3]

VOTE: chaos
i'm dying today aren't i

if your kneejerk reaction to being wagoned is to vote your last scum partner im going to be so disappointed

Wait, do you scumread

CO

?

not anymore

[T3]

oh
i'll be honest i have no idea who to vote and usually when i have a lack of hard scumreads then i need to reevaluate my townreads

[T3]

gj scum