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welp it's been a while

but here we are

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i truly cannot believe iconeum rolled scum against me once more, that is heartbreaking

VOTE: iconeum

@mod

(and everyone else), i'm vla every tuesday and thursday bc uni schedule is hell those days

so we finally roll scum together, and ur already bussing me? nice

VOTE: datisi

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You was a rather active player on previous Thursday. Previous weeks don't count?
VOTE: Datisi

hello Wiki, i don't believe we've met. I'm dragon. How are you?

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doesn't mean you have to bus me back!!

well how am I supposed to know that, this is a first after all!

VOTE: A50

been a while. Let's have at it

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welp it's been a while

but here we are

FLASHWAGON

please no

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VOTE: wiki
I have 7500 edits to Wikipedia.

7500 things nobody cares about.

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oh yeah

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Why would I want to lim you (or anyone else) on page one??

perhaps you embraced your inner Not_Mafia?

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Do you mmean it's been a while since we played together or since you voted Town!me??

sure hope so, there's a few people i don't want to be scum in this game and you are one of em :p

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hmm

ico, you unvoted me kinda quick

you scared?

excuse me? there's a bunch of people i need to vote here, and i haven't got all day
also i'm distinctly *against* bussing so yeah

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hmm

ico, you unvoted me kinda quick

you scared?

excuse me? there's a bunch of people i need to vote here, and i haven't got all day
also i'm distinctly *against* bussing so yeah

Are you sure about that

ofcourse

where's andres? he be next

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hmm

ico, you unvoted me kinda quick

you scared?

excuse me? there's a bunch of people i need to vote here, and i haven't got all day
also i'm distinctly *against* bussing so yeah

ok i get that it's a meme but i'm assuming scum!ico would not enjoy pissing me off after what happened last time, which is why i'm thonking on you unvoting me already

so i'd appreciate at least a semi-serious response kthx

i'm not giving you a semi serious response to me unvoting an obviously non-serious vote
i unvoted you, get over it lol

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Wiki's meh. I don't know him or his playstyle. Found his responses to you with the 'i can' and the 'no' funny actually :p

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Almost...if you wanna lynch me at least do it on gothic music...

Why would I want to lim you (or anyone else) on page one?? I opened the thread and saw you were the last one who posted so I voted you (doesn't matter that someone else posted in between while I was looking for the lyrics to quote)

The actual question is why did you explain all this to me? Takes away from the whole pressure thing?

Townping from Selynee tho

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alright, i like that answer, is this finally a town!ico game?

do you have any opinions on wiki?

ur letting me off the hook THAT easily? wow

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Oh right this game

Read first two posts:
VOTE: iconeum

and what in the first 2 posts made you vote me?

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VOTE: dwlee

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basicly all of dwlee's posts make me go all

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VOTE: dwlee

You don’t believe in my theory one bit and think DW is taking advantage to vote Datisi? Entirely possible.

you have a theory?

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i'll catchup first lol

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This is the sequence I was focusing on. I would argue there’s really not enough in Ico’s response that should have moved Datisi in their early suspicion. Yet they immediately switch to appearing comfortable and asking Ico about a different player. Strategic positioning is what I would call this.

ngl, pinged me as well

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This post is garbo

your username is garbo

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Oh right this game

Read first two posts:
VOTE: iconeum

and what in the first 2 posts made you vote me?

Okay andres how sure are you actually about this Ico townread

This post is garbo

It’s a question you can totally answer haha and if the answer is “RVS, early tone read”, that would be acceptable. So why is that garbage? Not sure I follow.

Dude didn't even post in the first two

What alignment info is he expecting to get out of that question, it's literally pointless

i don't like you

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the first 2 posts

I feel like ico knew that's what I meant as well given this wording

Also stop preempting excuses for possibly scummy behavior andres

nah nah i totally read that as first 2 posts of the game

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This post is garbo

your username is garbo

Die die die die die die die die

i usually do in these games, but i'm taking your punk scum ass with me bruh

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i don't like you

Not a reason to SR someone. If anything, DW’s start is more Town indicative than not.

i don't need to fully scumread someone to vote their asses in this stage of the game, now do i

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DW’s start is more Town indicative than not.

i would actually be interested in the explanation here

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Dayvig: Iconeum

jokes on you, i'm bulletproof

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Andresvmb, if you are ready to explain opinion about Datisi in detail, please do it about A50 too.

For A50, you could argue they are posting a lot of jokes and fluff which is very much in line with their Town meta. But they’re doing *something* I don’t want to discuss in detail yet because it’s not Town positive. I just think they’re being a bit heavy handed.

i was getting townie pings from A50's tone

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Ico, you and I both know that you can be relentless and at times, obnoxious

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Ico in my experience has just rolled over and died cause he was scum

Idk what town!him plays like

have we played before?

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Lol remember the Gypyx game where scum knew that the town had all those OP roles with no counterplay

no

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andres and wiki

i'd also townbin these 2, and by extention give some town cred to dwlee then and just trust on andres a bit.
GE's opening is fine to me.
Datisi i just *wanna* townread ya know
I have no clue on how to read T3 here

no other notable shotgun reads come to mind

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VOTE: dwlee

this could easily be a scum piling vote. There were a few votes on dwlee for whatever reasons, and this just… does nothing.

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Either way people love to scream "omg scummy" every time I breathe so I'd live to know your actual reasoning.

i feel ya

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I can say easily that I'll explain later if it is not ok to discuss it now.
Btw, Andre said that he will explain later why he scumreads A50. So what? You are interested only in case about you?

Yes? You just said I was scummy. If you're just going to shit fight instead of explaining your reads then you have no value to town.

Im not voting you with "I'll explain later". Though your reaction now is really bad

Wanting to know why something is scummy is not a bad reaction. Get your head out of your ass.

serious over-reaction to mild pressure
scum indicative? maybe

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that's the game i was talking about earlier. i made him trip up on page ~3, he was hammered 12 hours later. so, uh. yeah.

STOP RUBBING IT IN MY FACE OKAYYYYY

sheesh

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one townread, can i have one townread pls

are you not townreading me?

if not, why did you give up on the pressure? town!tisi *knows* he can corner and punish scum!ico, so if you don't townread me.... yeah

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Also I think it's time I declare some townreads
Ico
Datisi
Andres

the townblocc that dreams are made of

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anyway can some more people towntell pls

Who do you think towntold so far?

what is this weird pop in

actually i did not think it was weird at all, and liked the question

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Zero efficiency. Fake activity. No searching for scums. Just attempts to defend themselves. Elim Dwlee now, go fast night.

how to tank your town credit in under 3 posts

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I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

VOTE: wiki

you can go now

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So you are agree, that you are Mafia goon. You see the problem only in the mechanics of my role. That means that you are mafia and your reaction on my claim is too bad. Easy first scum.

ehhhhhhh maybe not scum? i don't see why scum would choose to suicide on this hill tbh

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annoyed town? who am i to judge :p

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VOTE: selynee

yeah

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VOTE: dwlee

this could easily be a scum piling vote. There were a few votes on dwlee for whatever reasons, and this just… does nothing.

if i recall my games with town!gera correctly, he usually like, does, *something* early on. i don't remember him just naked voting then noping the fuck out of games. granted, i know he usually doesn't do a lot, but eh, this still feels uncharacteristic.

also where the fuck are you

the fuck you going on about? i did my catchup, and there hasn't been anyone online to chat with all day...

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tbh i haven't been around all day either, and i don't expect to have my pre-break online hours back entirely for the foreseeable future so yeah

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351 is a post that exists

i did in fact miss this...

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give me a reason you townread wiki that isn't "he's too wack to be scum"

'why would scum!wiki be going up against town!dwlee and dying on a hill that gains him ??' is my main thought process i guess

the answer is either s/s, which i find incredibly unlikely, or he's… just town

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one townread, can i have one townread pls

are you not townreading me?

if not, why did you give up on the pressure? town!tisi *knows* he can corner and punish scum!ico, so if you don't townread me.... yeah

hiii ico
give me a reason you townread wiki that isn't "he's too wack to be scum"

to answer the quoted
in part because you weren't falling for fake pressure and wouldn't trip up the same way so it's pointless to fakescumread you again
in part because i did think your response was somewhat +town

in part because i wanted to see what you did if i let you off easy

so why did you say you wanna townread me if you were pinged by what andres said earlier?

pedit: this post is already outdated but answer the q anyway pls

the second part is fine but like... it doesn't really make me wanna do much? i guess?
i smiled and went 'yeah i buy that' at the bolded part

and tbh i don't even remember the part about andres and i haven't bothered checking back so

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i have a very busy day, will be catching up in bits and pieces

if you want stuff from me, adress me directly and i might get to it :p

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Dwlee can be scum given that how easily (and quickly) they came into a conclusion from my 1st one or two posts and I'm one of the strong scumreads now.

yeah well. I saw what they did and i'm more comfortable townreading dwlee because of it

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Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi.

do you have some kind of wacky post restriction that only allows you to post townreads as scumreads?

i don't even know

if you'd be nulling datisi, i could get that
if you'd be nulling gamma, i could get that
Dwlee has been playing a pattern that points to them being town, not scum. You even faked a guilty to some extent… why do you want them out?

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Read upto page 5,

ico

seems scummy atm.

i would be worried if you said otherwise

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Oh, finally! A wagon on a scummy slot

VOTE: A50

Oh, finally! A wagon on a scummy slot

VOTE: A50

We broke you? Well, you signed for it so be a nice person and unvote yourself...you signed for this, you have to finish playing it.

1- Who are you referring to by "we"?? Because I don't see your vote on me.
2- How do you know I'm not "playing it" still? What does my self-vote tell you? How do you perceive it?

this is likely to be town!A50

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so the scumteam's plan is for me to hard defend dwlee from your attacks (which don't have nearly enough support to actually go through anyway), and then me, dorsey, and gamma just baselessly start bussing in random directions? can't wait to get our scummy for that brilliant play.

we're all seeing wiki's nonsensical lists, but are they scummy? i don't think so?

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and tbh i don't even remember the part about andres and i haven't bothered checking back so

p sure it was about me "letting you off easy" or something along those lines

like i think you quoted him and said that it pinged you as well, then later on commented a similar thought
but you also said you *wanted* to townread me

so i don't get your thoughts there >_>

i don't get my thoughts either, sometimes

letting me off easy pinged me, yet i don't really scumread you for it. It's not that kind of ping? More like 'huh, that's an odd one, i wonder what it means' kinda ping

me understanding someone nullreading you stands, as i don't think you've obvtowned at this point.

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VOTE: A50

I’m VLA until tomorrow btw.

why

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@Datisi I haven’t fully caught up but I saw your cry for help so why not.

I would lean positively on anybody contributing in what you perceive to be a Townie manner despite previous experience dictating that such a player tends to avoid doing that (in this case, geraintm).

i'm trying to remember if town!gera actually does contribute from time to time on d1. i'll probably do a cursory meta check if gera starts picking up votes again.

also the reason i asked you specifically is since you mentioned having gera meta knowledge, so. y'know.

pedit: i'm townleaning you rn, yes. but you're also the only person to specifically mention gera-meta, so who else do i ask.

i actually vaguely remembering a discussion with gera on D1 where he actually did start contributing and playing on D1 as town so yeah

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Thread activity dying out of nowhere.

@A50:

Can you explain why you voted yourself and then dipped out of the thread?

there's like

a really really obvious answer here and it's + town

i don't get the A50 pressure at all

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the "you" in the above post is obviously three, btw.

ico, wanna join me on this wagon?

also, how is that town!a50?

i'd be down to wagon Three, sure

a50 doesn't seem to care a ton about himself this game, which heavily suggests he doesn't have a team to worry about
i'm sure he can replicate his trolling/funny posts as either allignment, but he doesn't seem to have an agenda on his mind here

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why are you ing at that? like, explain to me why fakeclaiming daycop is scummy.

you are so scum datisi.

why

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I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

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No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

VOTE: wiki

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"Lie is a bad thing" - this is a newbie level of thinking.
More important what does it mean on the next levels.
What aims do scums have?
Everything they are doing is forced by their aims.
What aim to fakeclaim early?
I would think firstly that this a very scummy thing for one strong reason.
But nobody here thinks about it.
And Datisi's words that this is obv towns action - are the most suspicious reaction for now. Because it definitely not obv if to think about it really, about all options, looking on the situation from pov of possible scum!wiki. What aim can he have in this moment? What does scum!wiki need to achieve/know?
U dont think about it, u are pretending stupid , defending me like it is obv cannot be scum. This is not true


I have no time to talk now ugh

you could argue the claim is NAI. I'd say it's anywhere between more likely to come from town and NAI.
your fighting is all kinds of weird

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U dont understand, ico

i rarely understand

explain it to me like i'm 5?

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16k posts
Probably you should understand, playing so much...
Ico is susp too from now

great call, linking someone's skill level to number of posts

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so i'm scum to you now because i don't understand? or because i'm voting you? disagreeing with you?

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excuse me?

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you don't wanna go down this road if ur town, wiki

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what's stupid exactly

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U dont understand, ico

i rarely understand

explain it to me like i'm 5?

Ok, i will say it loud.
If scum fakeclaims a cop, it helps scums to find a cop bc of the reactions of players after that.
Scums wish to find a cop or any important town role to kill it ASAP.
So fakeclaiming can be easily a scum thing.
But nobody thinks about it now and some experinced players like Datisi and Ico are even pretending that this is obv town's action, not thinking about how dangerous it is. Because they probably need any arguments to pocket me, knowing my color.

Comparing with Gamma: he does think that i can be a scum only for fakeclaiming, and this is ok. But at the same time Datisi says that fakeclaing cannot be scummy. This is is not ok. He cannot be so stupid about that in my opinion.

This is the point.

ok

so

imagine a world where scum fakeclaim a cop - then a town cop counterclaims. what do you think happens to the first claim?

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and like

if you consider both datisi and me experienced, which isn't wrong, shouldn't you assume that we most likely know what we are talking about?

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you sound more and more like scum who thought to have an easy misyeet on your hands, and is now caught and trying to double down on it

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weekend vla

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i was somewhat catching up, read the word idiot ten times and decided to stop

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i've got some 25 ish pages to read here

i'll get to that during the day

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ngl, might skim most of it

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So only Gamma understands with me, that Ico is mafia here?
Once again:

Townping from Selynee tho

basicly all of dwlee's posts make me go all
facepalm

i don't like you

i don't like you

Not a reason to SR someone. If anything, DW’s start is more Town indicative than not.

i don't need to fully scumread someone to vote their asses in this stage of the game, now do i

andres and wiki

i'd also townbin these 2, and by extention give some town cred to dwlee then and just trust on andres a bit.
GE's opening is fine to me.
Datisi i just *wanna* townread ya know
I have no clue on how to read T3 here

no other notable shotgun reads come to mind

VOTE: selynee
yeah

Scums: Gamma, Dwlee, Datisi.

do you have some kind of wacky post restriction that only allows you to post townreads as scumreads?

i don't even know

if you'd be nulling datisi, i could get that
if you'd be nulling gamma, i could get that
Dwlee has been playing a pattern that points to them being town, not scum. You even faked a guilty to some extent… why do you want them out?

we're all seeing wiki's nonsensical lists, but are they scummy? i don't think so?

No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

VOTE: wiki

look at these posts in chronology
1. ico forgot that selynee has townpings for him (#65), ico voted sely after saying this (#354) with no reasons. this was the moment when wiki claimed a cop, ico voted wiki, then he saw that there is no sense to do it and he voted to sely, but he forgot that he considers sely to be town for him!
2. ico forgot that most of the way wiki is town for ico, ico is voting wiki. i didnt care about it in the moment when i was a fakecop, but now after all you've said about townreading me and with no much your townreading datisi your new vote to me is suspicious very much!
3. ico didnt like dwlee much (#86, 98), then he changed his mind listening to andre very much (#108) and dwlee somehow become lock town for him (#589), dwlee is more town for him than datisi and gamma!
4. if dwlee is not a scum for ico, ico either has no srs, or his srs are: dorsey,gera,salsa,t3,three as remainder. but ico doesnt vote in this sector, he votes players who are/were townies for him!

VOTE: Iconeum
i need to change my srs, need some time
ico is mafia

andre-datisi-gamma - at least one scum is here, because all of them tred ico

Ico trs: seny,andre,wiki,gamma,datisi,a50, dwlee (firstly he sred him).
Ico's votes: datisi,a50,dwlee,wiki,sely,wiki

Ico is mafia

i can wait before everybody understands this

Btw dwlee is with ico, iforgot that ico is townie for him too and now he defends ico talking about how stupid i am, "dont listen to wiki", etc

this is an absolute shitshow of a case... i really hope i don't have to actually defend myself here?

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I sheep Wiki. You talk too much to be scum.
VOTE: Iconeum

and because of that, you think he's also right?

i mean, i understand ur not touching the content of his case with a ten-foot pole but come on

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So scums: Ico, Dwlee,... +smb from Datisi/Andre/maybe even Gamma (unvoted from ico lol). And some of the silent players or maybe salsa

holy shit are you actually town…

is this town!wiki who's just almost at Ico!levels of stubbornness and scumreading anyone who's daring to disagree with you?

almost sounds too bold to be scum

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Datisi sred a bit: ico, seny, gera...
Now datisi trs them.

oh god

you might actually be on to something

datisi changed reads
yeah

you gottem

vOte DatIsI

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Im ready to elim any of them: ico, dwlee, datisi, salsa.
Should i vote salsa now?

i'm really comfortable voting you out of the game whatever allignment you might be

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I don’t like Dorsey throwing darts from the back of the room basically refusing to read much of anything, but I can’t for the life of me think of it as Scummy either. I just hate it.

the wagon vote on me was scummy, period

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Dorsey, vote Salsa

and these kinds of posts just feel too manipulative to come from town

why aren't you questioning the lack of interest dorsey seems to have in content?

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Listen towns, you want to eliminate me, np! But for the greater good, we should policy

Wiki

today.

UNVOTE: GE
VOTE: Wiki

Bye bye
U decided to die instead of scum Ico, i see no problems even if you are just green idiot

whenever you get to that point in a game where you truly don't even care if you are voting for town or scum, but just want a certain player out, you know ur in a bad spot

and i'm talking about myself thinking on wiki here

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I feel like punishing myself from time to time and logging in.

god, this is a mood.

Because many players can believe that if you never rolled scum before, you would have more chances to get it at last every new time. Just statistics.

the fuck.

Chances are still 50-50.

chances for rolling scum are not 50-50... the fuck, part two.

kinda liking the reaction to wiki's post from datisi

maybe i'm wrong here but you seem to spend an awfull lot of time commenting on datisi vs anyone else this game?

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i was just having fun, i said before that that i need to relax and dont play seriously

so what went wrong exactly?

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I read those games' iso in the beginning. Dont think im idiot.
Ico has no searching for scums here, this is the fact for god sake.

to be fair, the game's only just starting and you have been sucking up all the attention so yeah

i've not really dug deep here yet, got me there

but i've got a few decent townreads, it's all good

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Ico votes his townies.
This fact is vital.
You cannot ignore this, otherwise you dont know how to play it.

but please

stop misrepping me

or i'm coming after you until you are dead. period

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Voting townreads is nonsense.

jezus christ you keep going on about this

where the fuck do i vote actual townreads

i don't think i've even expressed most of my townreads yet this game lol

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I dont believe in such changing of mind with no good reasons, talking about ico's votes to sely and wiki after tslking about townreading them. Good reasons should exist for that. But there are no reasons in both cases.

townreading sely????????????? where?????????

we can discuss about my vote on wiki, sure. I'm arguing with myself if it's better to get you out of the game, despite you probs being town. You just remind me of myself when i think i caught scum...

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we're all seeing wiki's nonsensical lists, but are they scummy? i don't think so?

No. There is the more logical answer, why usually this is a scummy thing.
And I so dont like, when someone is pretending stupid.

VOTE: wiki

And here.
The only thing here between these two posts is wiki scumreading datisi.
Datisi is even not town for ico, but she votes wiki after wiki attacks datisi.
I dont believe here too, thst she decided that her town wiki is scum now after these words

so because i don't think your list is scummy, you think that equals to me townreading you?
me saying that i don't think that list was scummy is enought to stop me from voting wiki????

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townreading sely????????????? where?????????

I quoted about townpings from sely for you. Then you voted her with no explanation

i can only remember 1 post i made about a townping from sely. WAYYYYYY early game.

quote me where i townread sely?

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Townping from Selynee tho

VOTE: selynee

yeah

THERE IS NOTHING BETWEEN THESE 2 POSTS, WHY HE DECIDED TO CHANGE HIS MIND

here's an idea Mr. Pro Player.

Town would be interested in the 'why' i'm changing my mind there. It's called sorting. Ur not. You just wanna vote me. Why?

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actually you know what

if you had actually cared about sorting ico, you would've asked about why he decided to vote someone he had a townping on on page three-- i mean who he was so strongly townreading

but you don't actually give a shit, you're just looking for an easy target to attack based on facts and logic without having to actually do anything, right?

oh god

are we finally same allignment again xd

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townreading sely????????????? where?????????

I quoted about townpings from sely for you. Then you voted her with no explanation

i can only remember 1 post i made about a townping from sely. WAYYYYYY early game.

quote me where i townread sely?

so what has changed your mind you decided to vote her after townping?

honestly

i don't fucking remember

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And u say i've found easy target in ico. Nice. So this is just a lie from Datisi, Datisi should be a scum, easy game

so lying = scum?

fakeclaiming = lying = scum

does that add up as well?

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I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

friendly note to the game

this slot needs a wagon on it

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Who are your solid townies now? You said yiu have it now

quote me where i say i have solid townreads

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because people obviously aren't reading my posts

@almost50

, can you explain your takes in 767?

@gamma emerald

, why did you vote iconeum after that dogshit case?

Icon didn’t really feel towny and the case seemed somewhat reasonable
What’s wrong with the case?

me town feeling townie to you… id be surprised if you said differently

but the stuff wrong with the case... i'm kinda worried you don't see that for yourself dude

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T3 I need a scum on my desk by tonight

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but i've got a few decent townreads, it's all good

I quoted this
Im quoting this again
Say them

so you see me using the word 'decent'

why do you go ahead and call that 'solid'?

you also quoted me using the word 'townping'

why do you go ahead and call that 'townread'?

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okay i'm switching gears with wiki

i'm so sorry :p

[Iconeum]

this game needs to lighten up a lot

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Dorsey

eyyyyyy dwlee knows what's up

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Datisi

this is a double standard (sorta)
you're attacking ico for voting his townreads
then datisi asks a question of you and you deflect it and vote him?
STILL TOWN THO

i vote him because he has no reasons to protect ico, but he continues to do it with no explanation at all. zero examples and arguments.

[Iconeum]

I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

VOTE: dorsey

good goooooood

[Iconeum]

No, I just don't know any other way to get into the game.

I very very very much like this sequence from Dorsey. He looks like newbtown out of water in a sense.

I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

VOTE: dorsey

[Iconeum]

Out of all the slots they could have voted in this game, they vote the one slot that is being most consistently TR? I would agree their reasoning is shit and I definitely cannot defend their play so far. But the vote on me clearly stuck out to a lot of you, and that doesn’t seem like something Scum that’s lurking would do there.

are you being consistently TR?

[Iconeum]

But this a four scum game? Policy yeeting a flailing townie doesn't sit right with me when we only get three mislims before we lose. Salsa being a team player later doesn't mean anything if she still rolled scum.

Also, wagon pressure =/= elimination.

that is a good point, and probably a good reason why we shouldn't policy wiki here either

[Iconeum]

Wiki

for the love of whatever deity you worship

you ain't Cyrus are you?

[Iconeum]

that would legit explain the hard-on you have for me

[Iconeum]

he wouldnt play in the same style, that is suicidal for him

so you need better arguments

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[Iconeum]

I feel there's scum in each group [Andres/Iconeum/T3], [Three/Salsabil/Dwlee], and [Datisi/Almost50]. I'm just curious as to why some ISO's (e.g, Almost50) are overlooked. It's just a game of spam and subjective rhetoric disguised as logic, which can still be fun, but I don't see the need to church it up. The fact that anyone can be "locktown" is funny.

VOTE: Almost50

how did you come by these groups exactly?
what made you put them together?

do you consider spam scummy?

[Iconeum]

Having more votecounts would make it easier to follow the bandwagoners. I feel there are several wagons that build up rapidly out of nowhere.

Edit: I voted andres because I could. There's nothing saying he's town and nobody knows anything about the other players so I don't see the issue with voting and gauging reactions. I feel it would be different if I was putting him in a vulnerable position, like close to elimination or something. Do you disagree or something?

what did you get from the reactions on your andres vote?

[Iconeum]

i'll take 'What is a vote count' for 500

[Iconeum]

it's ok Cyrus

it's all ok

[Iconeum]

I'll take it from here

[Iconeum]

i'm not giving you anything as long as you act in such bad faith with me

[Iconeum]

or act in bad faith with literally everyone, for that matter

[Iconeum]

ur probs town, and this game has 4 scums confirmed so we don't exactly have room to policy you

that means you have to be part of the town block

i hope you will come around and also try working with people

[Iconeum]

VOTE: dorsey

let's have a chat

[Iconeum]

I don’t feel like Salsa is the best choice rn
As much as I think wiki is town I’d rather he get elimmed if it was between him and Salsa exclusively today

i don't think either lim is that great here

do you have active thoughts on Three?

[Iconeum]

Can we please just vote Salsa here? We need to run somebody up, we're just talking in circles at this point. I don't think we're getting anywhere, and actual pressure on a scummy slot will give us something to work with.

what's your TL;DR on salsa?

[Iconeum]

maybe i'm wrong about salsa not being a good lim today

[Iconeum]

it's kinda troubling me that so few slots are trying to engage with me directly

i'd think that anyone in andres-GE-gera-A50 have the experience with me to be able and sort me through that. Maybe not gera but still

but who am i to talk right, i've not gotten around to that either

[Iconeum]

Wiki

for the love of whatever deity you worship

you ain't Cyrus are you?

I didn't want to say it, but I think he's Cyrus too.

gottem

wanna chat a bit?

[Iconeum]

I ain't sorting anyone today

that's fair

who do you most want deadened?

[Iconeum]

Can we please just vote Salsa here? We need to run somebody up, we're just talking in circles at this point. I don't think we're getting anywhere, and actual pressure on a scummy slot will give us something to work with.

what's your TL;DR on salsa?

Aimlessness on who to vote + terrible reaction to pressure + I'm pretty sure she replaced a gimmick account that can't do its gimmick in a scum slot without pissing its team mates off.

i'm also unsure on who to persue here
didn't see terrible reaction to pressure
and the rep thing is just meh

like, the only thing i got against salsa is that i can't really find anything really townie to townbin them at this point

[Iconeum]

Wiki

for the love of whatever deity you worship

you ain't Cyrus are you?

I didn't want to say it, but I think he's Cyrus too.

gottem

wanna chat a bit?

Sure, what's up?

i'm having trouble finding the scums
you happen to know who they are?

[Iconeum]

i'm like

fairly sure all of wiki/wb/datisi are town but that's all i've got here

[Iconeum]

wb=bwlee

[Iconeum]

dorsey seems like a good wagon, but it's actually meh…

not really seeing an agenda with those votes all over the place

[Iconeum]

A50 can easily be either allignment here
same goes for GE i think

[Iconeum]

i don't know how to read salsa or Three or T3

[Iconeum]

gera's in his town meta... i dunno if he can fake that

and andres is andres… i have no idea

[Iconeum]

so yeah i have a ton of reads i'm not happy about

[Iconeum]

Do you town read/lean her then?

if i have to bin salsa somewhere, it's townlean. I think she's trying to form some kind of townblock/wagon on their scumreads even if it's a hard road. Like she's doing with GE.

[Iconeum]

i'm like

fairly sure all of wiki/wb/datisi are town but that's all i've got here

I don't know if I agree about Datisi yet, but yes Wiki and Dwlee seem town to me. Andres as well, and maybe Gamma. I feel decent enough about you as well.

I was just reading through Andres ISO and there are more posts that point toward town!andres then I thought. He's got a few particularly sharp ones, that I know town!him is capable of.
If all of andres/datisi/dwlee are town then i've got some high hopes here

[Iconeum]

WIM? Help a dragon out please?

[Iconeum]

My problem with GE is that I feel he shoulda been more critical when sheeping Wiki's vote on me

[Iconeum]

My problem with GE is that I feel he shoulda been more critical when sheeping Wiki's vote on me

I need to ISO dive him since I sorted him aside early on. Do you think he's being opportunistic? Is he solving?

Felt like he was enabling Wiki more then anything. I'd expected GE to call Wiki out on bad logic/case but sheep voting the case? That pinged me yeah

[Iconeum]

you don't even pause to consider that datisi is whiteknighting? (ftr i don't think datisi is whiteknighting but yeah)

scum!tisi is very, very much capable of getting me misyeeted
scum only need a limited number of misyeets
scum!tisi could have EASILY kept up pressure on me early game and force some mistakes out of me (which i make a ton of, as either allignment), and just punish me.

it makes no sense for scum!tisi to try and keep me alive here, other then *wanting* to play this way which admittedly is actually possible but just unlikely imo

[Iconeum]

Hostile. So you don't disagree, you just want an explanation.

"Scumpings" is such a funny and subjective, albeit useless word.

why are you giving someone crap for pressure on a slot that's doing basicly nothing?

[Iconeum]

@t3, is there a reason why most of your catchup today is shitting on ico, but you're still voting salsa?

because all the discussion involved ico
and i'm still slightly scumreading ico
and then i had to leave
so now i'm catching up again

why are you not trying to sort/push me if you have that read on me? you've been poking at me all day, but nothing that makes me think 'oh he's trying to find out my allignment'

[Iconeum]

Vote gera
Vote gera
Vote gera

99% of his posts are his defending himself, all the game.

He pretends he doesnt know normal roles and believed in a fakeclaim.
We found 1 mafia for sure.
Dont use shitty meta of a player who is doing nothing, this "meta" is garbage, throw it away from your heads and play normally

I go sleeping

the way ur describing gera is like his town meta so yeah

[Iconeum]

It’s interesting that the minute that I started arguing for T3 to be pushed and they gather some votes, T3 starts posting a lot to increase their thread presence (probably to diffuse pressure). Not sure what it means yet.

yeah that's why you generally put pressure on slots…
i wanna hop on T3 for my previous post on him, but that wagon just looks gross tbf

[Iconeum]

I will never play with meta-arguments and I dont trust your meta-reads absolutely.
Gera is lock scum, hard vote. I dont believe his any single word. I explained why he is a scum.

Andre -1000 town points for defending gera.

you need to stop posting like this

and start having townreads that you actually cooperate with

[Iconeum]

Scums: gera, andre

just stop

[Iconeum]

i'm vibing with dwlee and that slightly scares me

wiki makes me regret being the one to get "you cannot use scripts to ignore another person in the game" to become a site rule

see y'all later

why does vibing with dwlee scare you? i've been townreading them for a while now
the real sad part about wiki is that he's so probably town and we need him but it's just impossible

[Iconeum]

@Andres do you honestly like the sheeple you have with you?

Doesn't dorsey look like a juicy wagon to you?
I'd be down running up Looker as an alternative, what do you think about that?

[Iconeum]

i wanna hop on T3 for my previous post on him, but that wagon just looks gross tbf

do you find anything else about the wagon gross other than dorsey?

not really

gross might be an overstatement *shrug*

[Iconeum]

it's fair, dorsey's vote feels gross enough to poison the whole well

what's your shotgun reads looking like right now? i have class in about 3 minutes, but i do wanna solve with you a bit, if only our schedules were lining up >_>

datisi/andres/wiki/dwlee town
gera/sely/three/salsa/a50 exist. Wiki's pressure on gera make me wanna defend gera, but he's null. The others i could probably make a case for either allignment if i wanted to.
T3 i really don't like how he's been poking me without really engaging me, but that's like the full extent of suspicion i have there
i really don't like lookers entry and i didn't like GE before
Dorsey is so bleh and their T3 vote is very opportunistic i feel - now drawing the 'boohoo look at me everyone's mad at me' card is really unimpressive

i'd love a good wagon on either dorsey or looker here

[Iconeum]

i'll try keep an eye out to see when you are here, do some good'ol back and forth

[Iconeum]

Who should be elimed after u, Dorsey?

Datisi

Why should we wagoon him over gera and a50? Can you expain it?

If you are so sure thst he is the scummiest here, why dont you vote him instead of Andre/T3?

Because you need me dead to believe me and this thread is a mob of rhetoric I wouldn't be too butthurt to leave. Clearly I've stumbled into the wrong place.

this is probably the towniest questioning wiki has done all game imo, and i like it
and reallllllly disliking dorsey's responses

particularly that last one is just so bad

'why aren't you voting the person you think is scum?'
-'because you wouldn't believe me if i'm alive so i'm just voting someone else anyway' -> this doesn't come from town logic

[Iconeum]

if dorsey is town, i will destroy these slots

the funny part is that i think you genuinely believe you have that power

[Iconeum]

@Andres do you honestly like the sheeple you have with you?

Doesn't dorsey look like a juicy wagon to you?
I'd be down running up Looker as an alternative, what do you think about that?

Dorsey is now a bad execution. I hope you can see that yeah? Which means, you should reconsider your worldview a bit. I know I am.

i don't see it? Dorsey is still refusing to work with anyone, blaming players and basicly the whole system because they are under pressure

lashing out, even saying something like 'why are you looking at me, there were more influencial votes then mine' which pings me

[Iconeum]

Sorry, I have school.
@Andres, I was half paying attention and trying to procrastinate. There were three groups but there are four mafia - there'd have to be two in a group if that's how you interpreted it.

@Dwlee - I like the game, I think it's fun, but I think something deeper is going on when it's not lighthearted. And I think you find mafia by randomly pressing different spots until you find a pattern or something to go on, which I think is becoming more apparent: some slots are getting pressed whereas others are not - why? What connection do they have with each other? And how can you clarify that when the "logic" being proposed is inconsistent and cherry-picked? I mean, if you're protecting your friend because you want to play with them longer, just say that. But saying that I'm not contributing because you didn't understand one of my posts is a joke I feel is going over everyone's head but mine.

right now we are pressing your spot, why do you make such a big dead out of it?

Do you think you've posted enough to make me townread you? Do you think you've done enough this game to be townbinned?

[Iconeum]

@Andres do you honestly like the sheeple you have with you?

Doesn't dorsey look like a juicy wagon to you?
I'd be down running up Looker as an alternative, what do you think about that?

Dorsey is now a bad execution. I hope you can see that yeah? Which means, you should reconsider your worldview a bit. I know I am.

Btw I’m engaging you directly because I think you’re Town. I ISO’ed you, and you seem to actively want to diffuse arguments at times in ways perhaps you wouldn’t as Scum. Like you engaged in a back and forth with Wiki, but you ended up trying to lighten up the mood instead of raising the stakes. I TR that. I also think the way you’ve approached T3 is genuine (you could hard SR there given some of the things T3 has said, but you don’t). I guess it’s possible you and T3 are distancing (which might explain why you seem to refuse to want to vote there despite having good reasons to), but I’m not perceiving it that way.

I think you have too much of a soft spot for Datisi, and I would watch out for that. I’ve also downgraded Wiki, but as much as I try to see them as Scum, I still think the amount of nonsense they’re pushing is diminishing their influence in a way Scum might care not to. Yelling geraintm is 100% Scum is just totally absurd. And they seem to lose interest too quickly after pushing slots with massive amounts of confidence (see the push on DW, Datisi, or even the push on you to some extent).

oh yeah i could have had a few very easy tunnels for me to dig into as scum, definitely

lighting up the mood with wiki is just… i mean they're probably town so getting into a fight there is just not getting me closer to killing scum

I'm not done with T3 yet, and my attention span is only 1 slot wide
As for Datisi… weakspot definitely. But he probably coulda just wrecked me for an easy miselim on day 1 tbh. Or at least gave it a shot without losing too much face. I'm fine townreading him right now

[Iconeum]

Wiki is just a solid townread. There's no way scum play the game that way. Destructive town, yeah. Anti-town, yeah. Might cost us the game, definitely. But still, town.

The problem with the slot is that a good scumteam is just taking him to yelo all the time lol

[Iconeum]

Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi,

everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason

.

so you are really not reading the actual game?

[Iconeum]

wouldn't it be really fucking hilarious if i now said that i think dorsey is town?

i think it would

(:

VOTE: three

scum!three spews dorsey!town and three just nosedived in my reads

will properly explain within the next 1-5 business hours, stay tuned

i want someone explaining to me the towniness in dorsey, because i don't see it

also, i don't think you responded to the requested shotgun reads…. why not?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

[Iconeum]

i fee like Three v Datisi is more misunderstanding and frustration then anything else

[Iconeum]

VOTE: A50

ok master Wiki

guide me to victory senpai

ico, what are you doing

losing my interest in this game at a monstrous pace

[Iconeum]

Votecount 1.11

Almost50 (3) - Wiki, Iconeum, Almost50
T3 (3) - Andresvmb, Dorsey, Selynee
Looker (1) - Salsabil Faria
Salsabil Faria (1) - T3
Three (1) - Datisi
Dwlee99 (1) - geraintm
Datisi (1) - Three

Not Voting (2) - Looker, Dwlee99

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-31 06:52:46)

A50 has a fine wagon on him. It's got this games leader, Wiki. It's got A50 himself. And a dragon. How can you not love that wagon?

[Iconeum]

Go flashvagon on a50

are you not in the least bit worried about my sheep vote here?

[Iconeum]

and now im asking him again, he has no answer, just voting himself, to save himself because it works
enough of this

Self-voting works?? I thought "Please don't lim me" works better. Couple that with "I'm an investigative role" and you probably endgame too.

^@T3^

VOTE: a50

'nother SCUM CLAIM!

This game is way too easy

dorsey's prob scum
we could be voting there

but everyone is bamboozled by your self voting so yeah

[Iconeum]

Go flashvagon on a50

are you not in the least bit worried about my sheep vote here?

No. Maybe you are bussing with a50, i dont care
And trying to give me paranoia not to vote a50 with you

you were solidly scumreading me for the better part of Day 1, did that change? Because otherwise i'd expect you to at least be

slightly

worried i'm helping you actually get something done here

[Iconeum]

Also, if you want me to play the game you should take me a bit more seriously. Like, I'm doing the Slayer's gambit thing in it's most explicit version, and Scum are falling for it. You are TOWN and so is Salsa, and I will never call either of you scum in this game (I may call you stupid though, so be forewarned)

datisi prob town yeah
not so convinced on salsa, but sure

who's the scums?

[Iconeum]

ico, if you wanna try to convince me that a50 is a better vote than three, it would be nice

i don't think a50 is a terrible vote
at least not when behaving like this

town!A50 is capable of wrecking the scum later on when he gets into the game

but i'd MUCH rather have someone like dorsey out of the game, a player who's either outright scum or worst case a townie that seems impossible to work with. Drawing the 'poor me' card all the friggin time. At least Wiki's obvtowned.

[Iconeum]

didn't mean to press submit

yet you have a pagetop

shenanigans i say!!!

[Iconeum]

dorsey's prob scum
we could be voting there

but everyone is bamboozled by your self voting so yeah

I tried that earlier, and didn't get anywhere, so I decided I wanted to know who Dorsey's Scum partners might be. I am not even sure Dorsey is scum here (leaning there but not confident), but I', telling you Wiki & T3 are SCUM. (The Wiki push on me came out of nowhere. Like, despite my absence I still have more posts than Dorsey or ger, but Wiki decided to go for me instead. Figure it out yourself)

Dorsey scum, probably, okay i'm with you
T3? Sure. We can find out together?
Wiki? How is Wiki anything but the shiniest of shiny town implosions?

[Iconeum]

and i do not know the Ways of the Wiki.
They're lockscumming me because of a post i made somewhere around page 4 or some shit so yeah

i'm trying to play around wiki as much as dragonly possible, while still trying to have *some* resemblence of a town block

[Iconeum]

VOTE: T3

maybe this is the spicey wagon this game needs

[Iconeum]

And he is nervous now

i'm not seeing the slightest hint of nervousity with A50 actually

[Iconeum]

who's the scums?

Dorsey, ger, Wiki & T3

there's like

2 scum in there? maybe?

[Iconeum]

We need more pressure on a50.

nah we just did that already

we cracked him open real good, made him squeeeeeze under our boots yeah?

[Iconeum]

And he is nervous now

i'm not seeing the slightest hint of nervousity with A50 actually

He said i attacked him from nowhere, he cried loudly for t3 help, he even *found* all mafia team not reading anything

he said you attacked him from nowhere. Yeah, he did that. What's scummy about it?
what's scummy about him and T3?
what's scummy about him giving me his scumreads

right as I ask for them?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: T3
maybe this is the spicey wagon this game needs

ico pls
why not t3-t
why is three town

VOTE: three

sure
works as well

[Iconeum]

He is playing a role, faking, this is not a real thinking

i'm gonna be REAL honest with ya bruh… that's really spot on about how I think of you

[Iconeum]

wiki, you still scumreading me

y/n

[Iconeum]

really? nothing?

[Iconeum]

okay then

[Iconeum]

I'm back.. still nervous.. maybe i should take a cold shower to ease my nervousness??

fairly sure that Wiki would see you shivering from the cold water and take it as a scum tell

[Iconeum]

VOTE: T3
maybe this is the spicey wagon this game needs

ico pls
why not t3-t
why is three town

VOTE: three

sure
works as well

earlier today you said you thought it was a misunderstanding btwn the two of us
now you're voting there
why?

i don't care enough either way
i'm not townreading three, dorsey isn't happening apparently, A50's posts make me think he's town here
T3 you pretty much gave a 'no go' instantly

so yeah this is fine

[Iconeum]

Wow, an explosion of posts and wagon shifts to protect Datisi. That was quick. VOTE: Datisi

I jump off A50 and now all of a sudden he's scum. Datisi is the manipulator. He's also the one calling people "fucking morons" and "purposefully ignorant".

oh look

dorsey finally sees an opportunity to vote their actual 'scumread'
took you long enough lol

i'm fairly sure this just flips scum

[Iconeum]

Why not vote Datisi, Ico?

because he is likely town

and yes, i've given proper explanation to this

[Iconeum]

i don't care enough either way
i'm not townreading three, dorsey isn't happening apparently, A50's posts make me think he's town here
T3 you pretty much gave a 'no go' instantly

so yeah this is fine

i didn't give a no-go, i asked why you're voting there instead of discussing three with me

i'll be completely honest with you

the sound of discussing much sounds like a chore right now

[Iconeum]

The anger, it's stifling

you seem much more interested in crawling under someone's skin then actually responding to stuff

[Iconeum]

^^ that was not a response to ico, if that wasn't obvious.

can we like, do a quick recap of Three? I know it needs doing

[Iconeum]

There HAS to be something deeper going on.

[Iconeum]

"Stuff" is vague - what did you ask me that I didn't respond to, Iconeum?

nothing on my end - more about the game in general
it's taking repeated prodding of you to actually answer stuff, and most of what you answer seems to be completely without knowledge of the game but when someone's using a few bad words you are all over it

why is that?

[Iconeum]

Was that the "stuff" that I didn't respond to?

when i said that i explained my townread of datisi in this game - you had no idea what i'm talking about right?

[Iconeum]

This is what I was talking about, Dwlee99 - isn't that shit weird? There HAS to be something deeper going on.

No I have no idea

Dwleeee hiiiiii
We got off on the wrong foot this game - i'm sorry for disliking your opening moves

mind helping me assemble a few townies that we can work together with? ur (somewhat?) townreading me yeah?

[Iconeum]

At this point I think I know what A50 is doing (if i'm wrong then i'll look really stupid postgame )
I wasn't entirely sure if what he was doing comes from scum a50 or town a50.

Datisi thinks anyone with a read of A50 is lying basically, but somehow neglects to address this? Why?

how is that a read on A50
it literally quotes 'i have no idea from which allignment this comes'

[Iconeum]

okay

if i told you i'd be willing to flip anywhere in T3/Three/dorsey (from the top of my head), that sound ok to you?

[Iconeum]

Andres - why is datisi not town to you? I feel he's posted enough to warrant at least a day 1 townlean, even for you