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[Scorpious]

I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.

Is that including this game?

[Scorpious]

Gerry, Malcom, Scrop, Tweetie, angela, Nero, STD, Pooky woo I like this pl

VOTE: STD

Agreed

[Scorpious]

I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.

Is that including this game?

Real vote for this pop-in as your only post.

VOTE: Scorpious

Would it really be you if your first “real” vote wasn’t on me?

My favorite Cardassian

[Scorpious]

I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.

Is that including this game?

Real vote for this pop-in as your only post.

VOTE: Scorpious

Would it really be you if your first “real” vote wasn’t on me?

My favorite Cardassian

I just realized how old 10-14 is going to make me feel can I be replaced on those grounds?

Seriously though. wouldnt mind an answer here..

Side note- I just will not be able to vote Tweet with that adorable little creature as an avi.. just couldnt sleep at night, not really but i feel better saying that.

[Scorpious]

I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.

Is that including this game?

just to clarify,This is the question I would like answered. Not Galron

[Scorpious]

could you maybe put to words why?

like what can be gained from this/have you checked the math yourself/would it mean anything if it was untruthful

can wait until andres responds i guess if you'd like

but i don't really get it

because I was going to lead into my analogy of Roulette at a casino. They tell you what numbers have fallen and people use that to "predict" what numbers will come next.

But probability states that the past rolls have zero bearing on the next one, meaning you could be town in 99% of your games up to thins one, but that means nothing this time around.

Does that help?

[Scorpious]

Apparently Britney left some weird tweet and her twitter vanished.. anyway, semi-game related

[Scorpious]

angela I’m not going to lie - I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy. The impact from there being a Vengeful role in the game is that the Scum can’t be certain that a coordinated hammer would end the game in what’s presumed to be ELo. Other than that, there’s no true downside for Town unless the Vengeful Town, if it exists, shoots incorrectly prior to Endgame. At Endgame, there isn’t much of a downside to shooting incorrectly since the game would’ve been lost if their role didn’t exist.

Having said that, I suspect you would have asked your Scum buddies these questions outside of this thread, so perhaps too brazen for Scum. I just don’t think this conversation is helpful for the Town.

Dunno about anyone else but got a bit of a weird vibe from these two posts in sequence. Andre goes in on Angela potentially being mafia, but then very much appears to walk it back almost immediately afterwards as if wary they've perhaps gone in too heavily for such an early point in the game.

I found it weird that post 25 and post 27 were so pointed..

I don’t even know if everyone had popped in yet..

[Scorpious]

hm

would you expect andresvmb to wait for everyone to post first?

not neccasarily. I'm still getting used to these games not really having RVS anymore.

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE:

RVS is basically over.

I missed the part where it started..

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Great, I'm getting flashbacks to my previous game with NM.

The last time I saw this N_M post he ended up being town.

[Scorpious]

I don’t like all the policy lynch talk. About known offenders.. on page 4..

Let’s give the mod some credit. They know who they let in the games..

[Scorpious]

It really is a very low risk lim. Not really expecting much hunting from N_M.

[Scorpious]

actually i think you and kittytacky are town so i guess i have thoughts

Are you going to give us some insight into these “thoughts”?

[Scorpious]

like now both of you are assigning a narrative to a post that is kinda hard for me to see

incorrect. I am not assigning anything. Please don't associate a concept(oushing a narrative) that I am not doing with me. You asked me to clarify a question and then I answered. I was just trying to make a point.

What's concerning to me is that you have made N_M's existence in this game the focal point of

your

narrative.
Most of us already know what to expect, and in they're own way it does look like they are trying moreso than usual.


What they do sets them up to be perfectly hidden scum in any way and I think that,s the point. comes of as a person that just enjoys ending people's experience, for better or for worse.
"Well N_M hammered"
"N_M always hammers"

This is the last I'll really comment on it unless prompted, but N_M's existence in this game should not be being analyzed so deeply.

[Scorpious]

? i asked not mafia two questions then clarified that i was familiar with not mafia and that the not mafia elimination others were suggesting seemed eh to me at this time; how is that the focal point of my narrative?

I'm town though

do you

think it is noteworthy that pooky would suggest policying you now?

/

do you

think anything noteworthy has happened so far?

angela, NM isn't going to do anything regardless of alignment.

i have played with not mafia before (and you!) i just feel like

like like like

not mafia's not doing anything is often compounded by no one expecting not mafia to do anything

or encouraging not mafia or engaging not mafia

like if i were clever maybe i could have thought of a good response to not mafia's request to be bought dinner first

that maybe not mafia would have thought was clever enough to answer the question

and maybe that answer possibly would have been alignment relevant

but i couldn't think of anything that even i thought might be funny let alone something i would expect someone else to think was funny

ehhhhhhhh

pretty opposed to policying not mafia for being not mafia

and the shoshin thing is in super super icky territory

No people are far too cautious about building wagons, it's why I quickhammer

…

it’s just like

less likely to hit mafias

and!

gives mafia opportunities

and!

ends the day

No people are far too cautious about building wagons, it's why I quickhammer

also your doing so only really encourages the mafias to be less cautious (though they’d have to be sneaky about this) and towns to be more cautious in general

though i have seen enough towns try to use you as a pseudo double vote in certain situations to know that not everyone views this the way i do

Perhaps it's not entirely your focal point, but it 's been a good portion of your content so far. I'm not pushing it as AI at this point, just merely pointing it out,and responding to you telling me I'm doing the same.

[Scorpious]

sorry for quoting everything; phone

i don’t understand why you think these are comparable things?

like it felt to me like you’re saying andresvmb was possibly doing something and i don’t really see that something at all, which isn’t similar to my interactions with/about not mafia at all?

it’s also strange to me that you say you are opposed to not mafia policy elimination, which is what half-ish of my posts about not mafia were about, but you also are opposed to me talking about not mafia?

like

…

?

whoa you are pretty good a twisting words,so we'll use less

-I asked Andres a simple question,then decided to respond to you instead of waiting for them. I'm impatient.
-I am against a N_M Policy LIM(sorry)
-You keep saying you "are not seeing" what I'm saying they are foing,I'm not I just asked 1 single question . There is nothing to see,move along,making a mountain out of a molehill here..

[Scorpious]

I also stated previously That I'm not really used to there being so much taken out of what used to be an RVS.. This an adjustment for me.

I've been playing mafia for years and this is like the {REDACTED} game I've played with this pseudo RVS..

[Scorpious]

I just feel content revolving around a PE and N_M specifically can be easily manufactured..
I'm just not articulating what I'm trying to say correctly, I'm also half distracted at work..

[Scorpious]

I just feel content revolving around a PE and N_M specifically can be easily manufactured..
I'm just not articulating what I'm trying to say correctly, I'm also half distracted at work..

me too! and i am a mess regardless of level of distraction so if you feel issue is in communication please say

angela! please stop for a second!! i think we are misunderstanding eachother!!!

or something along those lines

or even if you think i am having a similar issue in interaction with someone else

stopping me and explaining what you think is being communicated is always good

as things being worded multiple ways from multiple perspectives infinitely valuable to me in understanding others

also sorry to be potential cause of frustration during work +(

no apology needed, I babysit like 50 sales reps and there is a big supplement convention on the west coast.. and
they are acting all like spiled chiildren. that's whats frustrating me. We're just playing a little game. My point with that is that I am not 100% invested here and I feel like my lack of articulation is a result of thar.

I feel like we're on the same page,just dancing around it.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: angela

VOTE: kittytacky

Ooh, do me next..

Love when a slots only 2 posts are naked votes..

Love…it…

[Scorpious]

actually i think you and kittytacky are town so i guess i have thoughts

Are you going to give us some insight into these “thoughts”?

do you want more insight

it's mostly a vibe thing, angela seems to be engaged with the game and kittytacky is purely based on one post that didn't seem to come from scum

Fair, Thanks.

[Scorpious]

i thought maybe angela was mafia talking a lot but talkin with scorpius made me think different

I'll give you a slight pass on the horrible votes for a minute.

What about or convo made you think different?

kitty mentioned that angela and scorpius cannot both be mafia n then says they r probably both town

which one is it or do u already know they are both town

Isn't saying "cannot both be mafia" and "probably both town" the exact same thing?
This comes off as a total noob scum push..

n if u dont stuff about me just ask me questions

Taking a reactive role and not doing any actual proactive solving is only going to get you read as scum,kinda like I'm leaning that way on you right now...

Why not try asking some questions to others and not just placing naked votes with atrocious reasoning?

[Scorpious]

Why not try asking some questions to others and not just placing naked votes with atrocious reasoning?

my votes do the same thing as questions

But where do you get your info from of you’re not proactively hunting.
E.g: asking questions?

Also. How many games have you played? A ballpark is fine. You don’t have to be exact.

[Scorpious]

ABWOP-

Questions and votes are far from the same thing.

[Scorpious]

Can someone explain the immediate wave of suspicion/possible wagoning on NM? Feel like I'm missing some important meta stuff here, most of that exchange gone right over me.

NM is an infamous player with a very unconventional and trollish style of play that makes him difficult to read. He doesn't straight up gamethrow or anything but he has a shtick of hammering anyone at E-1. It's often proposed to lim him early so he doesn't get in the way, but I feel it's silly to lim a null player when other players might yet make themselves scummy.

Okay cool, anecdotally only played with them in one game, they did exactly this and turned out to be mafia. Agreed getting rid of them turn one on this basis is a poor idea and kinda suspicions though.

This is a moot point.

This is the last time I’m accepting N_M conversation as potential town content..

Anything beyond this will be considered scum filler by me. There is way to much discussion about a slot many of us know is kinda just there. Deal with it…

As I said. NOTHING they do is AI.. expect a quick hammer, maybe a quip or two(sometimes insightful) and a “mum” Joke here an there. that’s it …

No more N_M discussion please, unless it’s to vote.

[Scorpious]

Scorpio NM having nothing AI is precisely why we're talking about it. He's not null this game, he's plus scum to me

Geraint your vote doesnt jibe with what you said

I get that. But to everyone involved in the convo. None of that is news. That’s why I said what I did..

[Scorpious]

Re:Ger

I played one game with them, but their were masons and a whole bunch of shenanigans.
I’m not personally find of the playstyle, and the seem to be very loose with the voting if I remember.

[Scorpious]

mainly just gut i read what malcolm said about him but i just think he is probably town

No seriously. "This player is putting effort into the game, that's worthy of a vote." Christ.

VOTE: geraintm

Prime, Grade A, free roaming , grass fed overreaction right hea.

[Scorpious]

Kittytack is getting attention because they are one of the few players willing to try and explain their reasoning, and so just easy to keep pressure on them

VOTE: kitty

And how on Earth is being willing to explain my reasoning scummy? I really don't get yours.

This exchange feels like a poor distancing attempt.

[Scorpious]

Please disregard the Rathe quote.. it was an error

[Scorpious]

I played with Gera in Polish Rap viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88570

He was "doing more" so maybe you could make the argument that his meta doesn't match but honestly just throwing down votes on both wagons that popped up doesn't seem like town play to me

thankyou; i will try to look at this later tonight

it's like, if i squint i can see it as maybe a 'wagons for wagons sake' type thing i have seen from a few players

and i haven't really played with geraintm before so i wasn't sure if this was something that might be expected

I was also in Polish Rap. It was kind of a shitshow..

[Scorpious]

I think Kitty has made themselves the LHF of D1… not ready to vote there yet but I’m not opposed to that wagon.
I want to see less angst and more hunting.

Angela comes of to me as a slightly less verbal Frozen Angel.. very hard to read

When I first played with Ger i immediately thought scum based on playstyle but as this being the second game with them and their explanations on not liking D1. With that being said though, that’s not really an excuse to mail in Day 1. I hope they keep notes or something. While I agree most D1’s end in mislim, I don’t think it should be dismissed entirely.

This isn’t a read list btw, so I’m not excluding anyone on purpose just thinking textually..

[Scorpious]

And a side note. The Ger wagon has kitty and Rathe on it currently which I feel have shown to be 2 very unmoving slots to say the least.

As of now I do not favor a Ger vote.

[Scorpious]

I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.

Is that including this game?

And just for the record, it only includes completed games. I keep a record of all the games I play, so I took the % from there. I don’t update it until a game is over. In case you were interested.

I would have accepted almost anything other than. "This is a real number" not that I'm making a case out of it,but it's total bullshit. Why would you push that as not just being a gneralization?which I would accept,but inisist thats an actual figure

You realize if you played lets say, 10 games and were anything other than town once you would have to roll town another 10 times in a row to even be at 95%?

Like I said, It's just weird you would come in as heavy as you did but lead with a lie. It's noted..

[Scorpious]

I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.

Is that including this game?

And just for the record, it only includes completed games. I keep a record of all the games I play, so I took the % from there. I don’t update it until a game is over. In case you were interested.

I would have accepted almost anything other than. "This is a real number" not that I'm making a case out of it,but it's total bullshit. Why would you push that as not just being a gneralization?which I would accept,but inisist thats an actual figure

You realize if you played lets say, 10 games and were anything other than town once you would have to roll town another 10 times in a row to even be at 95%?

Like I said, It's just weird you would come in as heavy as you did but lead with a lie. It's noted..

What’s total bullshit? It

is

a real number. And it only relates to games I’ve played on this forum. Why would I lie about something so stupid? All you have to do is count the number of games I’ve been involved in, and count the number of games I’ve been Town in. Which is super easy, since I was Town 25 games in a row, and I just completed my first Scum game around here ever. This isn’t even that hard, since I kept making a joke about how often I was rolling Town, and some people that have played with me multiple times kept making fun of it. You look horrific for accusing me of lying about something so elementary.

Holy over reaction Batman!!

Now I see why you think Kitty’s response was normal..

[Scorpious]

Let's go a different direction with it.

Why did you feel the need to tell us your roll perecentages? Do you feel the game should lean town on you based on it alone?

[Scorpious]

I’m going to explain in some detail why I think what I do, and then you can say whatever you want to say.

I never made the argument that my roll percentage was in any way relevant to determining my alignment this game. If you read the context of my comment, you will immediately realize it was a joke. I’ve already said as much. You grabbed onto it as part of an effort to slightly cast doubt upon my alignment (see 79, 87). You’re basically arguing that I’m relying on a logical fallacy to raise above suspicion, and make pointed arguments against someone you think are not there. The first one is straight up wrong (which I’ve already explained), the second one isn’t Scum indicative in my honest estimation. You’ve been asked these questions in different language by angela. You started getting questions about this and about your posts on NM, and you got slightly defensive (see 169). Which fine, maybe whatever. But then when I clarified that the number was an actual figure, you assumed I was lying. Which is terrible for a number of reasons. One, it makes me think you’re doubling down on your earlier take of my slot because I’m calling you Scum, so you can discard my read or make others at least question my push a bit. And two, because there is no Scum motivation to lie. Or at least I can’t think of one. Assume I’m Scum for a minute, and assume the number is manufactured. Do you really think I would have doubled down on the number, particularly since I had already stated it was a joke? I would have simply said yeah no of course not, I was kidding like I said. And that would have been that. It’s an idiotic thing to lie about, particularly as Scum. That number is never untrue is the point, but you seem to be manufacturing a reason to bash me (I would have accepted any answer but the one I provided, is basically what you said). Tou also seem to imply that I can’t do basic math which is just obnoxious. Overall, this is clear nonsense. And now you’re dismissing my response as an overreaction. It isn’t, and I think you’re quite likely to flip Scum.

Outside of that, I thought 148 was Scum indicative (“I’m fine with that policy execution, but I don’t want to push it” is the vibe I got). Also, I am perceiving Rathe to be Town, so I absolutely hate 208 and particularly your first sentence about giving Rathe a pass about their “horrible votes”.

Nah man, I'm really not. If I was trying to use any of it against you I would have told Angela I wanted to wait for your reply when she gave me the opportunity to do so.


You're flailing,over very simple questions.. Why?

Re:354, a simple yes or no would have sufficed...

Paragraphs help too, I dont think anywhere in that bile excrement of a wall did you even answer my simple question. you just went off on some random nonsense,accused me of calling you stupid and then whatever the hell you went on about..

VOTE: Andresvmb

[Scorpious]

Ah now I’m flailing?!

I’m going to insist on my vote for today, I think.

Do that, if you're voting me for the reasons you stated,I'm more than comfortable with it.. lol

[Scorpious]

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

[Scorpious]

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

i feel like,

your stance towards kitty has changed dramatically since i pointed out possible connection there

sure maybe coincidence but still pretty noteworthy to me

nope, I haven;t liked Kitty since the severe over reaction.

[Scorpious]

I did answer your question, btw. You asked why did you feel it was relevant to share my roll %? I answered that it was a joke. Multiple times now. You accused me of lying and saying that this was noted. You have yet to admit to being wrong about that. Which, btw, you obviously are. You have failed to explain the Scum motivation behind even thinking about lying about it being a real number.

I’m not sure why you’re dismissing all my arguments (which there are a few) as excrement. Why not engage with them one by one? The problem is you are being condescending in an attempt to diminish me, but you’re not admitting it. Which is weird. You had to write out that if I had rolled Scum once after rolling Town 10 times, that percentage is meaningfully smaller than 96.2%. Which assumes I wouldn’t have considered that if I was insisting on lying about the number (which is what I’m calling obnoxious). Unless I really lack in basic math skills, I would immediately know that if I have played whatever number of games, I would have had to roll Scum a really small number of times for it to work. At most 2 in ~50 games. So where is my error?

It wasnt a joke.. stop..

[Scorpious]

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

i feel like,

your stance towards kitty has changed dramatically since i pointed out possible connection there

sure maybe coincidence but still pretty noteworthy to me

nope, I haven;t liked Kitty since the severe over reaction.

which was shortly following my pointing out the possible connection, shrug

I think you are mistaken. My reaction to Kitty was litterally the next post.

You had zero influence on that.

[Scorpious]

I did answer your question, btw. You asked why did you feel it was relevant to share my roll %? I answered that it was a joke. Multiple times now. You accused me of lying and saying that this was noted. You have yet to admit to being wrong about that. Which, btw, you obviously are. You have failed to explain the Scum motivation behind even thinking about lying about it being a real number.

I’m not sure why you’re dismissing all my arguments (which there are a few) as excrement. Why not engage with them one by one? The problem is you are being condescending in an attempt to diminish me, but you’re not admitting it. Which is weird. You had to write out that if I had rolled Scum once after rolling Town 10 times, that percentage is meaningfully smaller than 96.2%. Which assumes I wouldn’t have considered that if I was insisting on lying about the number (which is what I’m calling obnoxious). Unless I really lack in basic math skills, I would immediately know that if I have played whatever number of games, I would have had to roll Scum a really small number of times for it to work. At most 2 in ~50 games. So where is my error?

It wasnt a joke.. stop..

do you think

it wasn't said in conversation? like andresvmb wasn't the first to mention a % (pooky was)

and andresvmb's post was like a minute later

do you think andresvmb really thought

'this is an opportunity for me to show off how often i have rolled town in the past!!!! in order to be townread'

or

'oh weirdly enough i have this insane %'

I don't like loaded multiple choice questions designed as jump offs for cases...

I do not feel it was a joke..

[Scorpious]

I don't like loaded multiple choice questions designed as jump offs for cases...

I do not feel it was a joke..

i mean, is your entire issue that andresvmb used the word 'joke' instead of saying the comment was 'made in jest'?

no my issue was I asked a simple question and was blasted for it. I actually thought it was long over when we talked about it, like I said. I never planned on making any serious case out of it. I was just curious.

Like Kitty, I think they are being very touchy.

[Scorpious]

I don't like loaded multiple choice questions designed as jump offs for cases...

I do not feel it was a joke..

i mean, is your entire issue that andresvmb used the word 'joke' instead of saying the comment was 'made in jest'?

no my issue was I asked a simple question and was blasted for it. I actually thought it was long over when we talked about it, like I said. I never planned on making any serious case out of it. I was just curious.

Like Kitty, I think they are being very touchy.

to me it is like,

pooky asks me if i'm town

i am, pooky and i have been in multiple games recently with isis as mafia, each of us were partnered with her in one, and isis expressed frustration with rolling mafia again there, thus my comment about isis being jealous

even though across the board i do not roll town so so often not like andresvmb or anything, slightly under 80%

pooky says pooky is also jealous citing a mafia % that was likely more how it

feels

to pooky than actual %

then andresvmb shares percentage and says unbeatable

which to me felt pretty natural and i still don't really understand the connection to gambler's fallacy

but sure like i said earlier i can see you potentially being frustrated with being asked question about and then feeling like it has been made too much a deal of if you're town

but i guess that makes it difficult for me to see connection you're currently making to andresvmb's alignment

which like, would i prefer they interacted in a less standoffish way? yes, this is something i am trying to work on myself as well

but does that seem mafia indicative to me? no not really

I strongly doubt the level of aggro is AI in any way..

[Scorpious]

I strongly doubt the level of aggro is AI in any way..

that's what i was trying to say

which then leads me to wonder what you meant by touchy if not that

I meant touchy as in very defensive. just the concept,not the way it was delivered.

[Scorpious]

Andres,

You’re just throwing shade anywhere you can fit it right now..
I don’t like it, but I don’t think scum comes out blasting like you do tbh.

UNVOTE:

[Scorpious]

Andres,

You’re just throwing shade anywhere you can fit it right now..
I don’t like it, but I don’t think scum comes out blasting like you do tbh.

UNVOTE:

This isn’t remotely accurate.

I have been very targeted with my shade and my questions. You just want to make broad statements about my play, but you’re way off.

Man, you’re defensive..

[Scorpious]

I’ll happily stand corrected on your absolutely anomalous role rate.

That really is something..

But playing devils advocate, maybe you’re due to roll scum twice in row..

[Scorpious]

I’m not wary of going “hard”. What a bunch of crap. I explained why I didn’t think the conversation was +Town. I also said that even if that’s the case, I don’t think Scum would be so blatant about it. Additionally, I actually think angela has been asking solid questions (though I wouldn’t settle on angela being Town just yet for forever).

As I said it's still early game and I'm more than happy to change my mind - but it kinda just interested me and gave me an early mafia vibe, throw out a strong accusation but then roll back on it shortly afterwards.

Your posts over the past couple of pages feel a bit panicky as well to be honest.

Has your read evolved at all after our exchange?

[Scorpious]

Gerain has made it abundantly clear he doesn't care about D1, even in this game. You don't need prior meta or anything to easily explain why he's just voting wagons and not really saying much of anything

However if you're like me and also factor in prior years of meta of him not playing D1s -- then yes, there is nothing unusual here at all.

The more I read that about Ger, and I’ve written it too, the more I dislike the concept. I mean, I kinda get it, but it’s a little bit of a cop out too..
I’m close to wondering of us being acceptant of that is foolish on our part.

Like, the game seems to universally regard N_M as a troll slot, and a lot of us agree on Ger’s playstyle. I just hope we aren’t just accepting tropes because they seem normal..

[Scorpious]

Andres,
come out of your tunnel a little..

Who else pings you?

[Scorpious]

Here is my early view of the game:

Lean Town
{angela}
Slight Lean Town
{Nero Cain, Galron, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rathe}
Neutral
{geraintm, KittyTacky}
Slight Lean Scum
{Save The Dragons, MalcolmTucker}
Lean Scum
{Scorpious}
Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Morning Tweet, Not_Mafia}

ooh, an unprompted read list we me as sole scum, and no reasoning behind any of it..

Nice work dude
like really 12/10 effort lol

[Scorpious]

whats the difference between "uncertain" and "neutral", please...

And also why are those certain people in different categories?

[Scorpious]

Hmm, if only Andre made a post answering that question somewhere on this page..

Yup,
I do that. I read and react and ignore the answers that are right underneath the post that prompted my response.

So, yeah. Human.

[Scorpious]

514 - this is objectively a bad take yeah? Is Scorpious the only person I have as potential Scum? Does anybody else agree?

Do you need validation from others? Why?

Yes. I am the only one in your list labeled straight scum..

Be honest, you’re just bitter cause I called your role rate BS… you are offended that I called you out when you were telling the truth, which still boggles my mind. But it is what it is. I think you’re town but you are very misguided in your push on me.. all good though.

[Scorpious]

the more kitty talks about people suspecting him the more defensive he gets n the more suspicious i get

The cardinal sin of defending yourself when pushed...

VOTE: Scorpious

?

[Scorpious]

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

Correct. How is my post an overreaction? It's not like I flipped out, I just snarked at gera. This and your other posts regarding me read like a shade-throwing attempt.

I'll wait until I catch up to vote you to not accidentally hammer you if it came to that though

.

I'm not the only one that thinks so. and I think I've reference you twice..

What does the bold even mean?

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: i like Rathe's reads

liking someone's reads on day 1 and promoting them for it is just like...the worst twice removed logic going. stop it

I really like this take tbh..

[Scorpious]

on 2nd thought 544 and 545 are pretty bad.

why? Ger makes an excellent point.. Why do you disagree?

Instead of just hiding behind "these are bad" tell us why they are bad,man..

[Scorpious]

I'm confused. Are you responding to me?

[Scorpious]

lets just vote Scorp, he's clearly not reading.

VOTE: Scorpious

I think I currently have the 3 worst votes ever on me right now, lol..

They just keeping getting worse and worse..

[Scorpious]

We really need a VC..

I might even be at 4 right now..

[Scorpious]

We really need a VC..

I might even be at 4 right now..

I'm on it.

no worries, yeah. Im at 4

[Scorpious]

Galron is your vote on me real or RVS?

[Scorpious]

Galron is your vote on me real or RVS?

I don't even know right now I'm so far behind.

fair

[Scorpious]

VOTE: kittytacky

Explain.

This entire exchange is bizarre but I'm fairly sure angela and Scorpious are not both scum at least. Smells slightly of TvT.

Can you flesh that out "smells slightly of TvT?" There's a bit to unpack there.

It's a gut read. Not a strong one but it reads more like a town misunderstanding than mafia trying to discredit someone. And in any case it's very hard to see it as SvS.

No seriously. "This player is putting effort into the game, that's worthy of a vote." Christ.

VOTE: geraintm

the more kitty talks about people suspecting him the more defensive he gets n the more suspicious i get

The cardinal sin of defending yourself when pushed...

VOTE: Scorpious

these are just so weird..

[Scorpious]

Every next Day Phase lasts 7 days (168 hours), except for the phase in which the town faction should find themselves in ELo (“eliminate or lose”) should that happen in the course of this game – that Day Phase will last 5 days (120 hours).

is vengeful

a normal role?

It is. Not sure how that relates to the part of the rules you quoted, but I very much believe so.

won't the timer tell us if we have a vengeful?

It is. Not sure how that relates to the part of the rules you quoted, but I very much believe so.

won't the timer tell us if we have a vengeful?

It shouldn’t, no.

but isn't it not actually elo if there's a vengeful

like 7 alive 3 mafia 1 vengeful

is only elo if we count eliminating the vengeful as part of 'eliminating correctly'

which is generally not the interpretation of eliminating correctly, which would be eliminating mafia

so would likely be 7 days at timer with 7 alive 3 mafia 1 vengeful instead of 5

but also unlikely to be relevant, so

I'd like two things explained here please.

Why was this even brought up?

And how did id disappear so quickly, like this is really odd for post #7 and it just seems to have gone under everyones radar.
Andres went as far as to call it scummy even,and just dropped it..for no apparent reason.


Then Angela starts to question my reasoning for asking Andres about his roll rate.Which,lets face it. At first glance anyone would question. And gives me the option to answer or wait.

Then starts really questioning me around 73. And goes immedietly to defending him. Then she starts to question me about why I thought his 25 and 27 pinged me. I told her,she defends him again,,,

Then in 155 She doubles down defending when Kitty questions her,and she claims we are "both assigning a narrative".. Why that accusation Angela? stating observations are not "assigning narratives"


I''m %100 what this is :

actually i think you and kittytacky are town so i guess i have thoughts

Are you going to give us some insight into these “thoughts”?

quoting this so i don’t forget it happened

In my experience,questions that have pre-built answers into them tend to come from scum:

VOTE: KT

hm

are you thinking, {not mafia, kittytacky, scorpious}

or

do you think kittytacky more likely trying to pocket scorpious by doing the aligning self with thing (though scorpious also didn't seem suspicious of kittytacky doing this,

but it would also be completely possible that town!scorpious would think kittytacky happened to be aligning with simply because agreed with and if town!scorpious then might even lean towards town!kittytacky based on this

and! also doesn't seem impossible that that is the correct interpretation anyway)

or

do you just think kittytacky independently scummy

This is real stretchy and for somoni who is "bad a communication" as they dubbed themselves, you're quite clear here. As was I nobody on this layer list NEEDS to discuss N_M.

This is a moot point.

This is the last time I’m accepting N_M conversation as potential town content..

Anything beyond this will be considered scum filler by me. There is way to much discussion about a slot many of us know is kinda just there. Deal with it…

As I said. NOTHING they do is AI.. expect a quick hammer, maybe a quip or two(sometimes insightful) and a “mum” Joke here an there. that’s it …

No more N_M discussion please, unless it’s to vote.

but

how are you planning on sorting not mafia though?

are you just not? and you think that should be everyone's approach?

like not everyone talking about not mafia can possibly be mafia, so if your issue is that you think scums are likely hiding in that discussion, then having more discussion would help you identify those individuals, yes?

and if your worry is that too much focus is on not mafia and not enough focus is being put others, then engage people about those others?

or try to talk to those you feel are focusing on not mafia in lieu of other slots about other slots and so forth

like it's not like there has been no other content so if you want something else to be talked about, talk about it, try to talk to others about it, et cetera

like sure i can agree that i feel the game is generally lacking in sortable content from a lot of slots

but...

i really do not think the solution is to further discourage potentially sortable content

Angela disappears. Then BOOM, here comes Andres with me being scummy,for the SAME reasons ..

Has to be a connection here..

[Scorpious]

Either they are both scum setting up a mislim on me or Andres is scum basically paraphrasing Angela in his "catch up" all while using the same reasons she presented to call me scum.

Regardles. I think we have one here.

[Scorpious]

@scorpious

why didn’t you ask questions regarding my entrance earlier

and

i already answered the why ?? but you just decided not to quote that one for some reason?

Fair, big posts are not easy for me, I'm surprised it was as coherent as it was.

But what I didn't quote has no bearing on what I'm saying tbh. I want to know how it just kinda got pushed away,then someone actually called you scummy for it,then just also backed away,for no reason..

As far as bringing it up now. I wanted to read the game and started at the begining,and this just happens to be at the very beginning.

[Scorpious]

and no your questioning andresvmb mentioning roll rate still ???

as it was said in conversation and such and stuck out to me that you’d focus on it the way you did and wanted to see if i was missing something

Stop defelcting please.

[Scorpious]

I'd like to know why you are so defensive of Andres..

Time to commute.

[Scorpious]

like i can take the time to walk you through entire thought process and such if you really want but if your approach to that is going to be

‘you’re mafia based on these things that aren’t actually mafia indicative and ignoring everything else you’ve done’

it doesn’t really feel like super worthwhile for me to do so

First off, if I thought you or Andres was immediately scum based on any of that I would be voting you. I am noting what I see as a potential connection based on what was written and timing.

I never “pushed” Andres at that point. I was questioning something that nobody would believe. I’ve also stated that it’s been proven true. Thanks to you.. Which could be why he is so he’ll bent on me being scum. I also hate when people are stubborn and won’t listen when I’m telling the truth.

tbh I find his a lot more scummy than you.

I’m just pointing out what I’ve seen. There has been literally zero new content added. I’m just probing. Cause y’know *whisper* that’s what we’re supposed to be doing..

Lastly, if you find yourself struggling to communicate. Concentrate on the quality of your posts and not quantity. I’m assuming English is not your first launguage( you type better than people I know that have spoken of their whole lives btw). You have the most posts, which is not a point at all. But I’d rather you have 30 less posts and feel more confident in your communication. I hope I’m not offending you.

[Scorpious]

And it wasn’t proven to be true by angela. This is the basic distinction you are failing to grasp. I clearly knew the number. Or at the very least, I showed that I at the very least kept a reasonably accurate record of the games I’ve played. And that’s NOT why I think you’re Scum. I’ve been questioning your thought process and your way of approaching my slot and others. That’s the fundamental item you’re not understanding.

It’s an anomalous percentage , nobody will argue that.Angela went and looked it up. I wasn’t wasting my time with that.are you done twisting what I say to fit your narrative? That’s my final word on that..

[Scorpious]

So stop phrasing it as it being driven by a disagreement over a number. I find that incredible. At the very least try and understand the reasoning behind a read.

Ok, man. Sounds good. It’s an awful push but do you..

[Scorpious]

I take it back.. you speak better than everyone I know lol.

I did not deserve such a gracious response…

Ok, agreed, back to solving

So you like to “take the reigns of the game” ? Kinda like be the driver?

[Scorpious]

lets just vote Scorp, he's clearly not reading.

VOTE: Scorpious

I think I currently have the 3 worst votes ever on me right now, lol..

They just keeping getting worse and worse..

Elaborate.

Well, the one you quoted is just dumb..

Yours is is just weird, like even the post you put it in is wack.

And Andres just thinks he found scum and pride is a mf’er…

Ok 2 of the worst. But with militank around it may as well be 3.

[Scorpious]

Why are you voting Scorp then??

I am literally just voting the biggest wagon.

So does this mean E-2 is the new hammer? Maybe not the game to do this in with others lurking to quickhammer?

I get your view on D1, I'm not arguing that, it's a dumb argument in my view,but not the point. But are you really helping if you're just doing that to do it,you're making it very difficult us to want to push anyone. like why do we have to wait until D2 to get quality content for you?

It makes me wonder if you really are town,and you're just hiding behind self-installed meta.

Also, MT brings up a good point in which coupled with my idea could be you being hedgy to just throw your arms up on a mislim and be like "oh,thats just what I do" or " I should have trusted my instict because I said "X" "

I'm more interested in your answer to MT's question then you responding to me tbh.

[Scorpious]

like sure his posts are longer and bigger than his recently completed scum games

Do you feel post length is AI?

[Scorpious]

like sure his posts are longer and bigger than his recently completed scum games

Do you feel post length is AI?

for some people it can be

and what determines who it applies to?

[Scorpious]

like sure his posts are longer and bigger than his recently completed scum games

Do you feel post length is AI?

for some people it can be

and what determines who it applies to?

experience

So in your "experience". Who in this game gets a pass for short posts?

[Scorpious]

Pooky,

678 please.

[Scorpious]

like sure his posts are longer and bigger than his recently completed scum games

Do you feel post length is AI?

for some people it can be

and what determines who it applies to?

experience

So in your "experience". Who in this game gets a pass for short posts?

nobody gets passes for short posts

So what is your ideal post length to consider someone town?

[Scorpious]

it depends on player meta, depth/nuance of thought, intent, emotion etc.

there is no magic number to hit.

So you take all those factors and based on some unseen thought process, determine who's posts are too short to be town?
I promise I'm almost done.

[Scorpious]

no

Then how do you decide? You just told me that's what you base it on..

one more after this answer..

[Scorpious]

short post doesnt mean you are not town

Don't think I don't see what you're doing in your answers, I dig the implied "FU" btw

Last one..

Of our roster, who would you be more likely to read as town even if they had been posting small snippets of content. because we have some of those.

Nothing further..

[Scorpious]

I'm done, but I have noted that both times when I asked you to be specific you declined to mention any names..

[Scorpious]

lol ok

side note, and trust me I see the "03" next to your name..

When people play the game, and are met with "lol ok" It kinda deters people from wanting to make an effort..
which in turn makes them despondent ,which inevitably leads to accusations of them not scum hunting. I get it. I'm not one of your site friends.. but that doesn't make my input less valuable because we havent been buddies for 5 years...

[Scorpious]

are you going to explain what the point of your questions was ?

I'm trying to get names from you that you would give leeway to for short posts, but you obviously are evading doing that,so it's pointless.

[Scorpious]

lol ok

side note, and trust me I see the "03" next to your name..

When people play the game, and are met with "lol ok" It kinda deters people from wanting to make an effort..
which in turn makes them despondent ,which inevitably leads to accusations of them not scum hunting. I get it. I'm not one of your site friends.. but that doesn't make my input less valuable because we havent been buddies for 5 years...

can u not do the same stupid shitty ate u did when u were scum last time its boring

typical response..

[Scorpious]

537 isn't confusing in the least. It's the defense paradox.

538 is also pretty normal. It's pretty much how most players read each other and you see this like every game. You could even go as far as say that Gera is trying to dismiss Rathe's reads.

These aren't great points and quite the opposite.

And I stand by the "pretty much how most players" means day 1 such and should be somehow eliminated. Someone posts a list kf reads they have confidence in - which they cannot as day 1 is a crap shoot.
And then a second player looks at the first and goes "hmm...thay random reads list looks pretty good to me, I now think player 1 is town!"

We are now 2 degrees of separation from a pile of crap....and all the while player 1, player 2 (or even both) can be scum and be lying.

Skip to day 2 when we get a bunch of info from night actions and we aren't just running around in the dark.

My point is a simple one, not complex but I will give out

naughty points

when I see someone do something pointless like that whilst giving themselves a pat on the back

the bold triggers me b/c that's what he kept saying in Polish Rap. Overall I just don't like this post though. Way back when before day talk was semi standard d1 was considered the best day for scumhunting b/c scum hadn't gotten a chance to really talk to each other and formulate a plan or w/e. We aren't guaranteed to have tons of info d2. This is mostly you complaining about d1 and maybe that's your shtick. But I still think 544 and 545 are terrible posts and nothing you said changes my mind.
Also, you seem to talk about the tweet post twice.

what did I flip in Polish Rap Nero?

[Scorpious]

town but I was clearly talking about Gera in 706

I misread, fair..

[Scorpious]

any reply to 701?

In what regard? I'm not %100 on what you are wanting me to respond to.

[Scorpious]

just fyi. I will be claiming at 5 votes, I'm not waiting around for an opportunistic vote and the inevitable quickhammer.

I'm clearly a mislim target today..

[Scorpious]

you know what, it is a contradiction. but once i sorta commit to a way of voting i kinda have to stick to it, otherwise to me that looks suspicious. kinda locked in for the rest of today, sorry.

locked in as you are parked,or locked into voting the largest wagon?

[Scorpious]

didnt rly like the interaction with scorpius n pooky but i would probably still add pooky in the town group

am i supposed to not answer his stupid questions lol

you really didn't just FYI. well, you did until I asked you to be specific. Then they became "stupid".

[Scorpious]

you asked me who i townread for writing short posts

i said noone


because i literally do not townread people for writing short posts

thats not me dodging your question

thats me giving you an incredibly exact answer

I gave you two opportunities to tell me who you would be willing to accept short posts based on your reasons that you yourself gave me,So I was asking you to apply that reasoing to this game.

Both times you didn't.

and like I said, you raised the issue and I wanted to know more.

[Scorpious]

like sure his posts are longer and bigger than his recently completed scum games

but when i read them from start to finish i have no idea what hes actually trying to accomplish.

This is why I was asking my "stupid" questions..

[Scorpious]

like its such a stupid fucking reason to townread someone

he might as well have asked me whether i townread people for having squirrels in their avatars

and when i say no i dont

oooh im being nonspecific about which squirrel avatar players i townread!!!

roflmao

I'm good here, you have no intent on taking me seriously for whatever reason.

[Scorpious]

you're taking a logical line of questions and using it as ammo to make me look, I guess "stupid"..

all good

[Scorpious]

yea i really dont have any reason to take u seriously

you r probly just trolling me in bad faith for lulz or something

yup, you got me,cause I'm such a troll.

For someone who is so familiar with my games you should know I don't troll.

[Scorpious]

It bothers me that a simple few questions has devolved you into thinking I'm trolling you.

I really don't get this game sometimes..

[Scorpious]

It bothers me that a simple few questions has devolved you into thinking I'm trolling you.

I really don't get this game sometimes..

you asked me who i townread for writing short posts


i said noone because i literally never townread people for "writing short posts"

you then said i am avoiding naming names for this.

I think we’re just missing each other. I don’t troll..

It always sounds better in my head then I type shit and it’s garbage.
I’m going to type “slowly” like I am stupid, not you..

You brought up post length, it pinged me. I wanted to know how much stock you put in that and why.
You said experience.
Then listed other factors.

I wasn’t asking who you townread specifically from lengthy posts. I was asking in your “experience”
Who in this game would you be more accepting of short posts from.

I hope that’s clear, you can be annoyed with me. I promise I’m not trolling

[Scorpious]

Angela, what are your thoughts on scum Pooky saying they will sheep you hoping your vote would be on me?

That would be like installed opportunism, because we all know the quick hammer is a thing this game.

[Scorpious]

like if you want to argue scum!pooky is counting on me misreading pooky, and voting you eventually, and that their stance towards andresvmb unvoting you was to help engineer this

like, maybe?

but seems unlikely

like doesn't this run a great risk

of me finding this to be suspicious?

if pooky is mafia?

Really though, what would there to be suspicious of. You play a mean scum game if you are, but I read you as town. People say they will sheep a tr all the time.

I didn’t read it as scummy, im just bouncing things off you cause you’re here, and again a tr for me.

[Scorpious]

Pooky is solidly town and didn't do anything scummy yet in my eyes.

fair,what makes them "solidly town"?

[Scorpious]

scorpius y did u post 369 n y did u assume kitty would vote u

I can just tell what they were going to do based on how they were reacting to me. Very predictable.

[Scorpious]

I definitely have some things to say, but I’d like the Galron issue resolved first before I get into it.

It’s important because i don’t know if that’s a parked lurk vote or if he really thinks I’m scum. I’m hoping to avoid a deadline scramble on a weekend.

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE:

I think it started RVS then turned into a real vote for some reason and now I'm not sure.

yeah,current meta is weird,like RVS is slowly becoming a thing of the past.

[Scorpious]

I think there’s an emotional component to this. I think Scorpious was somewhat emotionally invested in getting me executed. From their posts to how they were approaching me, it felt like they truly wanted to convince others that I’m Scum. I thought it was emotionally difficult for Scorpious to pivot when they did. I think in my head I saw that as being done out of a desire to get the right answer, which I felt was Towny. That’s probably what overall lead me to say that I felt it was more often coming from Town.

I appreciate what you’re doing, which is that you’re considering all of the alternatives, but I guess I arrived at the conclusion that it tilted positively and didn’t immediately explain why. I was also kind of annoyed at unvoting. I have an ego too, and admitting that I feel I was wrong isn’t what I want to be doing. I would much rather be right and have Scum just have to move away from me because they can’t win a fight against me.

I'm working on that part of my game. I get too hyped up when people push me. Especially when I'm telling the truth, I get frustrated an emotional.. It's a flaw I'm trying to work out of my game.

I'm trying to eliminate that switch that tells me someone not trusting me is automatically scum..

[Scorpious]

you know what, it is a contradiction. but once i sorta commit to a way of voting i kinda have to stick to it, otherwise to me that looks suspicious. kinda locked in for the rest of today, sorry.

it is significantly more suspicious to me that you'd lock into voting in a manner that is not particularly + town

while being aware that that is what you are doing

ah, its just me having a little bit of fun and trying to achieve my aim for Day 1, which is to get to Day 2 as quickly as possible. dont mind me, i promise i'll be better from tomorrow onwards

interesting to me that this is your aim when you've also said that you think it would be better if towns did not eliminate day one

which i assumed to involve using the entire day to figure things out and then using the information gained from nightkill to also inform decisions

(which information gain not worth loss of elimination, odd number of players and such)

and get to day two as quickly as possible has the exact opposite effect of limiting information as much as possible

but idk how alignment relevant this might be

oh, i am 100% down for no elimination, but whenever i say that i usually get shouted at and no one likes that so i tend to just think that instead of saying it nowadays.
I don't want to spend today trying to figure things out, i just want to skip to day 2 when we can all start playing properly. Dy 1 is just...tiresome. And i spent a month waiting for this game to fire and then have to wait another week until it gets going properly.

tbh, I'm getting a little tired of you getting a pass on this, Why don't

you

produce some content for D1 if it's so useless.

Are you just assuming because it's your "thing" we should all accept it and let you just live until D2 so you can fianlly be interested and engaged. You keep saying it too,like you're trying to renforce that you are just town that really hates D1. It's satrting to feel like a cop out.

And you should get crap for promoting a no lim with 2 1/2 days to go.Especially when no-lim lalmost ALWAYS helps Mafia..

I hate this post..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Ger

[Scorpious]

Spoiler:

oh look gera is joining another bandwagon. nothing suspicious about that.

Nope,none at all

Kittytack is getting attention because they are one of the few players willing to try and explain their reasoning, and so just easy to keep pressure on them

VOTE: kitty

do you have

any other thoughts on the game so far?

Um, I have no interest in the not Mafia conversation. I usually like having them in games because they are pretty good at knowing when I am town, and I am pretty sure if they are scum it will become obvious sooner or later. The entire chat about them.was a waste and most people taking part in it should have known better.

Apart from that it is the usual day 1 uselessness

Kittytack is getting attention because they are one of the few players willing to try and explain their reasoning, and so just easy to keep pressure on them

VOTE: kitty

do you have

any other thoughts on the game so far?

oh look gera is joining another bandwagon. nothing suspicious about that.

do you have much experience with geraintm?

and if so,

would you say that town!geraintm generally functions under a blanket

"wagons are good"

playstyle?

also interested in anyone else with experience with geraintm weighing in on this

Um, my experience is they are utterly useless day 1, they think anyone who says they are useful is lying to.thrmselves and they believe that no elimination would serve town better but no one agrees with that.
Gets marginally better as the game goes on but can often get an idea fixed in their head and blow the game for town

Amazing, not gonna lie, feeling some Emotions now game has finally started.
Waited so long for this to start.

Anyways, today's number is 9

Hi

VOTE: save the dragon

i am really, really confused by anyone who thinks my initial vote was not the exact same way i vote every time.
i said 9 in my first post - post 31
i then quoted post 40 - (31+9=40) and voted for the person who made that post.

I am going to have to stop my fun with my other votes though before i distract everyone too much.
I am literally just voting the biggest wagon. I did it in another game once but no one noticed it there, but it amuses me to go along with my general opinion of chaotic Day 1s

UNVOTE: i like Rathe's reads

liking someone's reads on day 1 and promoting them for it is just like...the worst twice removed logic going. stop it

537 isn't confusing in the least. It's the defense paradox.

538 is also pretty normal. It's pretty much how most players read each other and you see this like every game. You could even go as far as say that Gera is trying to dismiss Rathe's reads.

These aren't great points and quite the opposite.

And I stand by the "pretty much how most players" means day 1 such and should be somehow eliminated. Someone posts a list kf reads they have confidence in - which they cannot as day 1 is a crap shoot.
And then a second player looks at the first and goes "hmm...thay random reads list looks pretty good to me, I now think player 1 is town!"

We are now 2 degrees of separation from a pile of crap....and all the while player 1, player 2 (or even both) can be scum and be lying.

Skip to day 2 when we get a bunch of info from night actions and we aren't just running around in the dark.

My point is a simple one, not complex but I will give out naughty points when I see someone do something pointless like that whilst giving themselves a pat on the back

Why are you voting Scorp then??

I am literally just voting the biggest wagon.

you know what, it is a contradiction. but once i sorta commit to a way of voting i kinda have to stick to it, otherwise to me that looks suspicious. kinda locked in for the rest of today, sorry.

it is significantly more suspicious to me that you'd lock into voting in a manner that is not particularly + town

while being aware that that is what you are doing

ah, its just me having a little bit of fun and trying to achieve my aim for Day 1, which is to get to Day 2 as quickly as possible. dont mind me, i promise i'll be better from tomorrow onwards

How many times are you going to mention you dislike D1?

There is one post in here I liked about putting too much in someone's D1 reads,but other than that. These are just garbage time wasting posts.

[Scorpious]

my gut says rathe and my gut is usually better than my logical part of my brain anyway so i trust it

ur gut is wrong

ur mom is wrong

gottem

I dont see Rathe scum honestly. seems like it would be too obvious.

[Scorpious]

my gut says rathe and my gut is usually better than my logical part of my brain anyway so i trust it

ur gut is wrong

ur mom is wrong

gottem

just a follow up, don't do this.. makes me want to vote you just because. no need to be a dick..

[Scorpious]

i don't see that as being a dick? but sorry if that offends

If you said it to me in real life i'd punch you in the mouth, so maybe not offensive,but yeah, just be better..

[Scorpious]

I didn't realize that deadline was so close. I feel like there's alot of uselessness in this game. I expect it from NM and maybe Tucker.

Rathe who would you vote besides Gera?

I agree with this, but also...you're one of the Scorpious votes and that's a wagon that has been consistently ahead with the most votes for most of the game, if you're concerned about a lack of proper content or about the deadline nearing without any sort of consensus, why are you not pushing more actively for Scorpious to go? And if you don't actually believe Scorpious is mafia or worthy of elimination, why are you not looking for a proper alternative target instead?

my

shit

case on Scorp is laid out in

561
564
]565
701

So I've done my work while you are just being a hypocrite.

fixed it..

[Scorpious]

Not AI really.

I lost my mom,I'm touchy about that stuff, but lets let it go..

[Scorpious]

Let’s just have fun with irony.

My vote is already there.

I understand he does it in all his games, but I can’t think of a better way of Gera influencing D2 than with a flip.

A far second for me would be Kitty. And I don’t have a third right now GTH maybe Galron.

I just think Kitty is being more helpful atm and at least deserves a D2.. I’m not even convinced they are scum, just a heavy lean.

But I’m all for this wagon for the multiple reasons stated..

Btw, Galron. Nice beetleguice before ..

[Scorpious]

i don’t see how geraintm would even be better elimination than not mafia

Well, I would feel better about Gera’s schtick if they didn’t keep reminding us about it.

I think they are scum because of that, like “don’t forget guys I’m not doing anything useful
but if I keep saying why I’m being useless that makes it ok”

Like, fine whatever but stop saying it.. it’s anti-town behavior at best..

Also, you can draw more associatives of their flip. You get nothing from N_M.

I don’t think you can have a N_M lim discussion without the word “policy” coming up.

[Scorpious]

I'm never against a N_M lim btw..

[Scorpious]

Does N_M claim or just quiick hammer themselves?

[Scorpious]

It's two players who are doing NAI things per meta.

it rlly do be

But since everyone in the game has interacted in some capacity with the players, they're now even better eliminations than they were at the start of the day

Read this twice Gera..

[Scorpious]

Four posts on Scorpious, one of which accuses him of not reading the game, is hardly great stuff.

wait but,

do you think scorpious was closely reading the game there?

like if you want to say nero was just echoing sure maybe

but to say no, scorpious was definitely reading the game!

is ...........................................................................

Nero wasn't echoing anyone,though. That was his case on me the whole time.

[Scorpious]

I wouldn't hate an NM elimination given they are clearly doing nothing but I don't see why Ger is any worse.

geraintm more likely to do something in the future

and!

probably gain more from not mafia elimination information wise

What info specifically? Where do you think we go from an NM elim out of interest?

i mean,

if not mafia flips mafia, what do you think that means for pooky's alignment? and morning tweet's? what do you think that means for those strongly opposed to 'policy elim' when not mafia was being discussed (two of which, yourself and scorpious, are now pushing geraintm)?

My push is because of the insistence that we know "why" he's not doing anything. I've seen people get away with saying much less on days and not be limmed,but constantly reminding us does not sit well with me at all.

[Scorpious]

Angela,

Who is your scum pool right now?

[Scorpious]

Four posts on Scorpious, one of which accuses him of not reading the game, is hardly great stuff.

wait but,

do you think scorpious was closely reading the game there?

like if you want to say nero was just echoing sure maybe

but to say no, scorpious was definitely reading the game!

is ...........................................................................

Nero wasn't echoing anyone,though. That was his case on me the whole time.

i mean, nero cain wasn't really the first to point out that you weren't reading the game closely, though was the first one to put it in those words exactly

so i was saying that if the problem with nero cain's post was that maybe that was just said because existing conversation, sure maybe

but malcolmtucker seemed to be saying that that was a ridiculous thing for nero cain to be scumreading you for,

when like, it isn't? like at that time it didn't really feel like you were really reading the game

just cherrypicking things to point at

Who was the first one? and what words

did

they use?

How do you know if someone is reading the game or not?

I think it is a little ridiculous as well, how do you determine who is reading and who isn't? What if I wasn't posting and just lurking? how do you tell if I'm reading or not?

[Scorpious]

I'm not calling you scum by any means,but I think the game as whole,myself included has kinda let you do your thing without really much pressure.

Again, I'm not accusing you of anything but it's just something I noticed. you seem to have an effect on the entire roster,and I cannot for the life of me figure out why I am bothered by that.

[Scorpious]

Nero, Based on your logic...

Who else is "not reading"?

[Scorpious]

It's two players who are doing NAI things per meta.

it rlly do be

But since everyone in the game has interacted in some capacity with the players, they're now even better eliminations than they were at the start of the day

The more I play on the site the more I'm disliking having to rely on how someone approaches the game re meta incredibly annoying, would rather just play the game normally. I'd happily get rid of Ger considering their stance seems to be they automatically get to go to day two by virtue of doing nothing.

While I agree with this statement, I find the lack of vote disturbing.

Do you think Gera is scum,or are you looking to lim out of annoyance?

[Scorpious]

ok,fair..

Who is in your scum pool right now?

[Scorpious]

you ignored the context for both andresvmb % statement and for kittytacky vote

i expressed this and others did as well

has nothing to do with lurking or whatever

actually I'm not happy with this response..

Can you answer the questions that are not hypothetical?

And of course your lim pool please..

[Scorpious]

you ignored the context for both andresvmb % statement and for kittytacky vote

i expressed this and others did as well

has nothing to do with lurking or whatever

actually I'm not happy with this response..

Can you answer the questions that are not hypothetical?

And of course your lim pool please..

i answered the questions?

don’t get what you’re saying here

you didn't.

I asked who brought my not reading up before Nero.

And how

you

know someone is reading the game.

[Scorpious]

Angela,

who is your scum pool right now?

[Scorpious]

Angela,

Who is your scum pool right now?

i assume you are trying to ask who i would most like to eliminate right now

at this time it’d probably be {scorpious, malcolmtucker, kittytacky}

arbitrarily cutoff at three

but if i were yet confident enough i would have voted

ok, my fault.. that would have really been weird for you to be ignoring,I somehow missed that..

my bad

[Scorpious]

like whatever you’re trying to do here is ???????

just a mistake, like i said.

[Scorpious]

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

Correct. How is my post an overreaction? It's not like I flipped out, I just snarked at gera. This and your other posts regarding me read like a shade-throwing attempt. I'll wait until I catch up to vote you to not accidentally hammer you if it came to that though.

It's posts like this that make me agree on Kitty...

They've totally buddied up to Pooky as well who I believe has been pushing me the hardest.

[Scorpious]

Angela,

Who is your scum pool right now?

i assume you are trying to ask who i would most like to eliminate right now

at this time it’d probably be {scorpious, malcolmtucker, kittytacky}

arbitrarily cutoff at three

but if i were yet confident enough i would have voted

which mostly like, even though am feeling this way right now it doesn’t really make the galron wagon make a lot of sense, so more to consider/more to observe et cetera

I don't like the Galron wagon either. I feel scum Galron would have just left their vote on me,even if they circle back and re-vote me.That's better than parking and leaving an RVS vote because I was the leading wagon at that time..

Time to commute.

[Scorpious]

I somehow missed her most important post..

It was a simple mistake

[Scorpious]

I have nothing to gain by asking the same question over and over..

Just look like an idiot.

[Scorpious]

Horrible push Andres..

I have the easiest role in the game to prove..

Failed reaction test.. you

Yes that is a soft..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Andres

[Scorpious]

Just note my wagon now before the scummies start jumping off.

[Scorpious]

are you a mason?

Even easier to prove than that..

[Scorpious]

Lol, I’m scum again because you decided to parrot Angela?

She said everything you just posted..

[Scorpious]

Lol, I’m scum again because you decided to parrot Angela?

She said everything you just posted..

I’m not parroting anyone. It’s obvious to see. That’s the point.

So obvious that you needed her to say it first before I was scum again..

I’m just gonna lolcat that one

[Scorpious]

Damnit, I did the same thing I said like 100 posts I want to stop doing..

UNVOTE:

I’m a town mailman b t dubs

[Scorpious]

Like how do you conclude after everything I’ve posted that I’m pushing you in bad faith, and not due to a genuine confusion as to how you’re going about pushing players?

I react to pushes with votes. It’s a terrible habit I have..

[Scorpious]

Mailman is confirmable, but says nothing about your alignment. Just so we’re clear.

Of course it doesn’t. But it is what it is..

[Scorpious]

Like I’m not going to go down these roads with a semi pr town role..

It will become tiresome..

[Scorpious]

What does the mailman do? Never heard of that role.

I get to send messages at night..

Wooo…

[Scorpious]

also scorp if u have no idea how to play mailman why didnt u just claim and ask for suggestions lol

I looked at the wiki and there is like nothing, I’m so useless..

Oh sure, and everyone would be like “yeah, Scorp you’re so town”…

Never crossed my mind to do that.

[Scorpious]

No, I was actually typing then you showed up in the preview thing.

Unless it’s just dumb because we are talking about it now. I’ll do whatever. The way I interpret this is like a fruit vendor. It’s a gag role, but if you can make me useful. Let’s do it.

[Scorpious]

Why did you claim, Scorpious?

Because I’m essentially a VT. I’m not big brained enough to figure out how to maximize this role, and there is next to nothing on the wiki..

[Scorpious]

maybe claim anything that would make us care about wanting to keep him alive. you know like an invest or something

idk scorpious was really stressing the provability of it

which is pretty ??????????????????????????????????

when the claimed role is mailman as the only thing you can prove is that you're a mailman not alignment or anything

I mentioned it twice.. yes..

[Scorpious]

Who claimed mailman?

I did

[Scorpious]

Who is your main? j/w

Me?

[Scorpious]

like, he could certainly be a town mailman but if he's a mafia mailman it seems like he'd make a better claim than that, does that make more sense?

i mean this dude did fakeclaim bulletproof cop once so i'm not sure about this take from u lol

I did that too.. and we won

[Scorpious]

angie

Annnnngie…

Sorry, had too..

[Scorpious]

but he claimed COP so no one wanted to vote him

ok but literally nobody should've believed that bulletproof cop is a thing lol

It was themed and the entire neighborhood vigged itself..

It was, what the kids call; fire…

[Scorpious]

The power was out in my house for most of the IRL day, sorry for lurking!

I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?

I really hate Scorp's reactions to me. That's my main reason to SR him.

This makes total sense,but you are taking a very self centered view of me...

let's make it clear, you think I'm scum because I thought you over-reacted to a push. correct?

[Scorpious]

i am pretty willing to give geraintm a day one pass here even though it is very frustrating to me as well just don’t really think it makes geraintm super likely mafia

Yeah, ger reads to me more like a weird townie proposing weird plays than a scum trying to push something that will hurt town.

You mean, by constantly bringing up how much they hate D1, and floating a no lim scenario?

These are weird townie things?

[Scorpious]

honestly, don't know. i normally sit there day 2 and look at the wagons that formed and who was on which ones. i normally have some idea that some wagons are obviously on town players, and anyone joining them for crappy reasoning get naughty points. that combined with whatever info players bring to the table day 2 are what i go on.
im not going to waste the time doing that now though

you realize you can do this ,in real time, on D1.. right?

This post almost gives me the impression you're setting the table to not do much in D2 either..

You are either scum or a Town Pr looking to not get nk'd. I can't decide right now.

[Scorpious]

Guess what? My power cut out again!

I'm fairly confident that within a few posts Kitty will vote me..

Correct. How is my post an overreaction? It's not like I flipped out, I just snarked at gera. This and your other posts regarding me read like a shade-throwing attempt. I'll wait until I catch up to vote you to not accidentally hammer you if it came to that though.

It's posts like this that make me agree on Kitty...

They've totally buddied up to Pooky as well who I believe has been pushing me the hardest.

How so? Is this an OMGUS?

This is not a shot...

Do you know what OMGUS is?

[Scorpious]

Damnit, I did the same thing I said like 100 posts I want to stop doing..

UNVOTE:

I’m a town mailman b t dubs

UNVOTE:
Send someone you think is town the message "I'm Scorpius and I'm town" or an equivalent tonight then. If they claim they didn't get it, we hang you tomorrow and then them if you were really mailman. 1 for 1. But for now, live.

Few problems here.
1.What if I message scum?
2.Why would anyone believe a random "Hey I'm town" It's possible,but if I got a message like that I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
3.You're lining up lims, never good.

[Scorpious]

he should surely know by now that he won't be allowed to get away with a claim like that ever again? if he does something like that again, he just knows he is going to get eliminated everytime he is forced to claim...

right?

this is not even correct..

I also find it weird, that you are attempting to contribute. Now..

[Scorpious]

The claim proves nothing, even if he claimed something stupid like Bulletproof Cop in a previous game doesn't mean he is forever locked into making wacky fakeclaims.

If you're comparing that to this you need to read up on roles.

People are also leaving out the context of that claim, and of course I was scum.. and we won the game..

[Scorpious]

Exactly, I'm finding this game kinda difficult to read so far and there are people I'm willing to sheep.

Most important quote and question saved for last...

Who are these people you are willing to sheep?

[Scorpious]

he should surely know by now that he won't be allowed to get away with a claim like that ever again? if he does something like that again, he just knows he is going to get eliminated everytime he is forced to claim...

right?

this is not even correct..

I also find it weird, that you are attempting to contribute. Now..

why is it weird? i do try and contribute snark Day 1, and i had time this morning to read and reply to a few bits.

and what isn't correct? if someone gets into the habit of making wild claims, then surely the MetaTown will know this and just start ignoring them all from you and punish you for past behaviour?

If you think this is a wild claim, strap in and hold on the next time I'm scum..

If I'm going to have fun with fake claims I'm not got to claim a boring, almost useless PR. I might as well just fake VT which more people would have believed at face value..

[Scorpious]

Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

fundamentally, i think no one should be doing any work on Day 1....

So we should just sit here for ten days and Randomly vote people for lolz?

[Scorpious]

Fundamentally I just really dislike the idea we should be expected to do all the work so they can finally start playing on D2.

fundamentally, i think no one should be doing any work on Day 1....

So we should just sit here for ten days and Randomly vote people for lolz?

no, we should all vote No elimination and skip the wasted 10 days...
but i have met exactly zero other players who want to do this...

i have a funny feeling i am going to get shouted at very, very soon

just because you expect to get yelled at for posting dumb shit doesn;t ecuse you for posting dumb shit..

Happy where my vote is..

[Scorpious]

are you a mason?

Even easier to prove than that..

Are you an activated IC or what? You already basically claimed it, might as well reveal?

hm

I didn't critique those weird comments because it felt like they were doing what I do often, read a post,respond,,then SURPRISE, they answered the question I just asked in the very next post..

[Scorpious]

why did you think andresvmb pushing you immediately before you claimed was mafia indicative?

It's a bad habit I have, I've said it a few times. I respond to pushes with votes,I usually remove them quickly if I can get over myself fast enough.

[Scorpious]

like does it actually seem like kittytacky hadn’t yet read the intervening posts and such

I got the impression they were reading and reacting, I do that a lot too..

[Scorpious]

why did you think andresvmb pushing you immediately before you claimed was mafia indicative?

It's a bad habit I have, I've said it a few times. I respond to pushes with votes,I usually remove them quickly if I can get over myself fast enough.

there’s like, hm,

it’s like you say andresvmb potentially mafia because maybe echoed things i said, which doesn’t make a lot of sense because even if assumed to be true could be done as either alignment,

which i was thinking about because it doesn’t feel like you applied that to anyone else, like kittytacky in this instance,

but it becomes super messy line of thought for me because it’s hard to see why apply it in the first place if not seemingly done in a malicious way

like it’s not mafia indicative to share similar thoughts in and of itself

it's a flaw in my game, thats why I removed my vote so fast..

[Scorpious]

I have bad feelings about Scorpious and Morning Tweet.

VOTE: Scorpious

fair, but why do I get the vote over MT?

[Scorpious]

I have bad feelings about Scorpious and Morning Tweet.

VOTE: Scorpious

Does town me not vote you to make the leading wagon to catch a shitty Gera vote on you as well?

Cause scum me would be all over that..

[Scorpious]

And that’s what I mean when I talk about installed opportunism..

[Scorpious]

Ngl, you seem to love the attention..

And, Galron stop being a kiss ass smdh

[Scorpious]

I don’t see how Kitty can literally be at me or no lim WHILE calling a N_M launch stupid.

They have made no pushes on anyone else, and have molded me into fitting a narrative. They dismissed my claim and mashed the gas again on a push for me?

Who says They have exactly ONE person in their lim pool or it’s no launch for them..


Scummy AF and feels like TMI..

Thoughts?

[Scorpious]

A VC would be awesome as the deadline is looming..

[Scorpious]

Sorry, I see it

[Scorpious]

Votecount 1.13

Shakira - Waka Waka

(2010)

Commentary: What a nice way to commemorate the first time the FIFA World Cup was held in South Africa. And Africa as a continent too.

Not_Mafia

(2):

Not_Mafia

,

Nero Cain

Save The Dragons

(2):

Galron

,

Rathe

Scorpious

(2):

KittyTacky

,

Andresvmb

Galron

(1):

Morning Tweet

geraintm

(1):

MalcolmTucker

KittyTacky

(1):

PookyTheMagicalBear

MalcolmTucker

(1):

Save The Dragons

Not Voting

(3):

angela

,

Scorpious

,

geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-03-27 01:39:00).

Please check if the VC is correct.

You have me listed twice, and I’m going to change my vote anyway..

VOTE: Kitty

[Scorpious]

Ok, ignore me , my phone is not agreeing with this site today..

My god..

[Scorpious]

is he rly more scummy than what we have seen so far from others

That’s where the line blurs. Is he? Probably not.. does limming them get rid of a place for scum to hide, yeah, but then does that become a “p” word thing…

I’d say it sends a message, but it won’t.. not to them.

It’s just a dead weight slot…

Am I the only one that finds Kitty scummy as all get up?

[Scorpious]

@Morning Tweet, @Scorpious you really should vote elsewhere at this point.

That’s fine..

VOTE: N_M

[Scorpious]

We better get some big brained shit from Gera tomorrow.

[Scorpious]

Told you going for NM is dumb. Scorp is scum.

Scummy AF and feels like TMI..

I think sorta makes sense that he doesn't want to vote a null read over 2 scum reads but being ok with d1 a no lim over a potentially scum slot that could harm town is being ass play.


I also 2nd that Tucker pushing Gera all day and then they are on the same wagon together is iffy

Where did I say I was alright with a no lim, I said no lim was dumb before. Christ.

I will only jump off Scorpius if otherwise there's no lim.

Don't use the lord's name in vain. Especially when you are wrong.

[Scorpious]

Told you going for NM is dumb. Scorp is scum.

Scummy AF and feels like TMI..

I think sorta makes sense that he doesn't want to vote a null read over 2 scum reads but being ok with d1 a no lim over a potentially scum slot that could harm town is being ass play.


I also 2nd that Tucker pushing Gera all day and then they are on the same wagon together is iffy

Where did I say I was alright with a no lim, I said no lim was dumb before. Christ.

I will only jump off Scorpius if otherwise there's no lim.

Don't use the lord's name in vain. Especially when you are wrong.

doesn't that mean that

kittytacky would only leave your wagon to vote for someone else to prevent no elimination if necessary

not that kittytacky was alright with no elimination?

I disagree.. Why are you defending this?

[Scorpious]

Why is Scorpious fundamentally more likely to be mafia now than they were before the end of D1? They dropped the hammer once it was clear the voting wasn't going elsewhere and plenty of others thought NM was a reasonable choice given it got pushed through in the end. Not that many of you seemed to confidently think NM was absolutely mafia.

they aren't really, though waiting on someone to tell us about mail stuff i guess? with regards to that

but like i said should have voted them at end of yesterday but thought process regarding was terrible

and now have more information from flips that points even more to scorpious, so

How does the overnight info point more to Scorpious? I'm not sure it does.

not mafia being town makes scorpious actions at end of day more suspicious

and pooky being nightkilled instead of me points towards scorpious

as pooky was pointed in other directions and i was pointed towards scorpious

and dying galvanizes pooky's reads

this page is really making a case for you and kitty to be a team..

For you to dismiss me so quickly. Especially since I sent YOU my message last night..

[Scorpious]

I haven’t appreciated how Scorpious has approached the game so far, but I have a hard time seeing how they’re straight up lying about sending angela a message.

I re-read some of what Scorpious’ has been posting. I would argue they’re not all that likely to be Scum to be honest. Not the greatest player perhaps, but probably not Scum. I also really didn’t like how angela was speaking about Not_Mafia towards the end of the day yesterday, covertly trying to dissuade me from saving Not_Mafia. So I’m beginning to think I’m being fooled by angela, and the slot deserves some pressure.

@Scorpious, what did your message say?

"I am sending a message to you because you are obviously the catalyst to the game. I assure you my role is town. Side note between me and you.. The hammer was accidental" ~Scorp

[Scorpious]

Another thing making me lean toward a Kitty/Angela scum team..

Angela has shown open mindedness to EVERYTHING in this game. except Kitty's tunnel on me..


Hasn't even question,hell going as far as promoting it.. It just doesnt fit the solvy, open to everything Angela that was D1..

[Scorpious]

Besides I have reason to suspect this setup has a scum mailman. Trust me on this.

Trust me is not a reason.. Why.. What is your reasoning?

[Scorpious]

look at game the mafia team won scummy for last year with unlikely day one fake claim

could you be anymore vague here? point out on specific.. please

[Scorpious]

Besides I have reason to suspect this setup has a scum mailman. Trust me on this.

Trust me is not a reason.. Why.. What is your reasoning?

i trust kittytacky

All of all of your posts,based on the shortness of it. The total commitment of it,and backing questionable content so definetivly.
This is the scummiest post you have made this game..

Why do you trust them? because they said to?

[Scorpious]

I'm noticing a total departure from the D1 Angela to D2 Angela, It's like the independent solver that was running the game is resorting to trusting one of the scummiest players this game..

VOTE: Anglea

[Scorpious]

I would also think you would have opened the Day with the message I sent..

Why didn't you?

[Scorpious]

I would also think you would have opened the Day with the message I sent..

Why didn't you?

????????????????????????????????????

the message i already said i didn't get?

the message which probably never existed?

Again, open minded Angela just defaulting that I "never sent" it.

I must have been blocked

[Scorpious]

I'm noticing a total departure from the D1 Angela to D2 Angela, It's like the independent solver that was running the game is resorting to trusting one of the scummiest players this game..

VOTE: Anglea

why would mafia!me do that exactly?

if you think i can just be independent solver as mafia et cetera, why wouldn't i just continue to do that,

like the narrative doesn't make any sense,

change in my behaviour is obviously due to change in circumstances, and you're very very likely mafia,

this is litterally how good scum plays, like word for word..