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Corwin hasn't posted in over 46 hours. Johnny has one post in the last ~40 hours, and has no content since speaking against the Corwin votes in #1058, roughly 43 hours ago. Marci hasn't posted in 25 hours, and her only content post in the last 48+ hours is that question of why people are townreading Scamper.In post 1286, Ausuka wrote:The urge to lolhammer exists but I must resist it
As obvious scum as Corwin is here, I feel like two other people have completely vanished from the game. We kinda can't hammer under these circumstances.-
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It should surprise absolutely no one that I'm autistic and generally don't properly register attempts at humor and especially sarcasm. Most times I try to be sarcastic, I find my intent obvious, but no one else does.In post 1289, Ausuka wrote:scum have given up tbh
But yeah I agree I don't actually want to lolhammer, I was trying to be funny to limited success
I usually figure out sarcasm by rationally deducing the intent. The more direct the communication, the better I absorb it. If I'm given half an order to do something, there's a chance I won't process the other half of what I'm supposed to do at all, even if it should be obvious. I will however, make completely obtuse yet correct connections between things at times that makes other people go "wut".
I also have a semi-photographic memory and never truly "forget" anything long-term, yet I can completely forget what I did 3 minutes ago and have no idea where I put something. It's why I generally remember every argument I've ever made in a game. I would say I still remember most of the arguments I made in both 2272 and 2273.
Like, I'll most likely remember that specifically post #1015 hard triggered me on Corwin if you ask me in a game 3 months from now.-
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Going to be honest I kinda don't even care what Corwin claims. He's been gone for almost two days, and there's too much that says he's scum for me to believe any claim he makes at this point.
I'm more interested in why two players seem to have completely vanished alongside Corwin, one of which was the second-most active poster in the game before Corwin's train took off. Corwin himself is a set deal for me at this point.-
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In post 1295, Gamma Emerald wrote:I see marci hasn't posted in over 24 hours, but who's the other that disappeared?In post 1288, Crescent wrote:Johnny has one post in the last ~40 hours, and has no content since speaking against the Corwin votes in #1058, roughly 43 hours ago.-
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I would rather get some explanations and content out of them onIn post 1296, Ausuka wrote:Tbh I care less about that because like I have a feeling Marci and Johnny are still going to be with us on day 2.day 1than let them lurk until day 2.-
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The thing I thought about specifically was if this is going to turn into some kind of "falling on the sword" to distract us. I don't question that he had a problem, but the timing of the return makes me wonder a bit.In post 1311, Ausuka wrote:Fair, maybe I misunderstood your post-
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The bigger problem with a JK claim might be that it's very easy to hide a JK claim by having a RB.
I can accept that reasoning for how big the explosion at Scamper was, unless he specifically had an explosion that large in the newbie game.
But it's also only one part of the argument. You've played a very passive game - Nowhere near as assertive or aggressive as #2273. You made one specific post (#1015) that flies completely in the face of that game. Both Alex and I find your immediate and then consistent town-clear of me scum indicative, and frankly your approach to me so far has given me the outright impression that youfearme. You never showed fear in 2273.
You're also being compared by multiple people to being exactly what you were like in your last scum game, both in your play and overall reactions.
I'll accept that explosion can be NAI, but there are a lot more things to account for.-
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Oh wait do you guys even get notified of roleblocks here, or is that why the "checker" role that was in 2273 exists - to check for roleblocks? Where I primarily come from, most games have a roleblocker, and almost every roleblocker notifies their target that they were roleblocked if they tried to commit an action that night. It makes JK a very tricky claim to parse as a result.
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Yeah the meta I'm used to iseveryonegets a roleblocked result.
But if your target was redirected, you only get notified you were redirected if you're an investigation role. Your resulting scan will tell you the person you actually targeted. If you're anything else, you'll know your action was successful, but you won't know where it landed.
Random fun story time: There was a player who was "unknowing backup detective" who was told he was town vanilla (Roles like this are virtually nonexistent there). The detective died night 1, and he inherited a result onhimselfnight 1 because the previous guy scanned him.-
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Aren't redirecting roles banned in MNs? Bus Driver is the most common one. I've seen the occasional one-way redirector (usually on scumteams that lack a roleblocker) and a some Lightning Rods, though the Lightning Rods I've seen (with a single exception) were different in that they targeted one specific player and absorbed any action that targeted that player, kinda like a super bodyguard.In post 1331, Ausuka wrote:I don't think I've ever actually played a game with a redirector in it unless you count bodyguard-
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Does Corwin buddy up Bella right away if they're both scum?In post 1330, Gamma Emerald wrote:
scum postIn post 1319, Bellaphant wrote:You know what, this may be controversial but I'm actually inclined to town just leave corwin for today. He did mention some rl shit in the newbie and like....if he's scum, we don't need to sort it today.
I'm soft, though.
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It's actually been almost an hour since his claim, it just doesn't feel that long. He defended strictly what he thought was the #1 argument against him and... That's it.In post 1357, Ausuka wrote:It's been like 10 minutes give it like a day and he'll probably be dead tbh-
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Datisi and STD both said to murder you immediately. I've actually given you time. Popping in again after an hour to direct this at me makes no sense in the current context of the game.In post 1360, Corwinoid wrote:Honestly cresc, I have a life and it's still midday for me, calm down.-
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What vibes are STD giving you?In post 1364, Ausuka wrote:I think gamma is wrong about that Bella post and Bella just made a typing error idk it happens
That being said I think Gamma reading into it felt towny, it kind of felt like it was a gotcha moment on his end if that makes sense?
I'm reading his recent posts as "town that's sure the vote is on scum and just wants it over with already", and I can kinda relate because it's hard for me to see anything happening to convince me Corwin isn't scum.-
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Two things holding me back right now. There's still 4 1/2 days left and going this early goes against my general policy. Tthere is a point where it's a net negative for town to let it drag for too long, though we're probably not there yet.
Also hammering when there's a player in the game who hasn't posted in 28 1/2 hours feels kinda gross.-
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I'm laying in bed with a half asleep purring cat on me and I'm totally chill while I'm internally debating what to do. I've had moments in this kind of situation where I just say "screw the code" and do. Last game's day 3 both trains felt woefully weak for trains that were -1 and I wasn't going near either. In this situation it kinda feels not like a matter of if, but when.
But also half asleep purring loaf of cat.-
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We stay the course because the like 5 other reasons to think he's scum still hold.In post 1395, scamper wrote:
ugh i'm so sorry ):In post 1313, Corwinoid wrote:
JKIn post 1258, Roden wrote:In post 1256, Ausuka wrote:intent to hammer
This is clearly happening so we might as well speed things up in case we want to decide on another wagon with comfortable timeI also intend to hammer.
At this point I'm mainly just waiting for Corwin to show up and respond to posts.
I don't have the energy to go through everything in the last 10 pages post by post to rebut it, and I know that's shitty. The big point I guess is that I blew up at scamper because I was arguing with my wife at the same time; I've been out while we discuss separating--I wasn't expecting it.
i feel bad now, idk what i want to do here
I'm specifically holding out more to get posts out of our missing people than anything.-
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I think she does if she and Corwin are both scum because there is absolutely nothing to lose by making such a stand. It only reflects on her at all if Corwin is town, and Corwin is 99% not town.In post 1400, Alexcellent wrote:UNVOTE: Corwin
Idk I think I need to reassess this game tbh.
Will wait for Corwin to post and address points against him. Agree that JK claim is very… plain for a game that supposedly has an ascetic Miller. Gut reaction is to not buy it but I’m also not comfortable with Corwin being at E1 any more.
I also don’t think Marci comes in with those posts as scum given that she’s a likely launch if Corwin isn’t being voted off today.
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Oh and I'll go further and say the scum motivations are way more obvious than the town motivations.
Corwin is one of the only people in the game Marci has actually made a case against for being scum. She has in no way indicated she now thinks he's town, yet she's offering herself to be voted off anyway? It's blatant not playing to win as town as a grand but empty gesture as scum that tries to give off a vibe of self-sacrifice.
I actually scum read her now. I was still trapped in neutral, but there is no actual reason for that to have come from town.-
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When Corwin flips scum those posts singlehandedly have me going after Marci tomorrow. I don't see town in them at all.In post 1405, Alexcellent wrote:I guess if they were both scum and Corwin’s like a scum PR I could maybe see that. Idk. There’s a lot against Corwin tbh. Those posts by Marci just make it tough to see her as scum now.
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Yeah I had like two hours to hammer him and didn't. I was being patient.In post 1406, marcistar wrote:
this specifically makes me think ur just jittery to do sumn abt the claim instead of waiting to see his natural follow upIn post 1352, Crescent wrote:I kinda feel like I'm just sitting here waiting to see if Corwin is actually going to address all the other points on him or if he's just going to claim JK and vamoose.-
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You've never once implied you actually think he's town now. It's completely hollow.In post 1413, marcistar wrote:
in my pov its not against win con for a vt to offer themselves up instead of someone who claims a prIn post 1410, Crescent wrote:Corwin is one of the only people in the game Marci has actually made a case against for being scum. She has in no way indicated she now thinks he's town, yet she's offering herself to be voted off anyway? It's blatant not playing to win as town as a grand but empty gesture as scum that tries to give off a vibe of self-sacrifice.
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Missed what exactly?In post 1418, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I must have skipped a page somewhere, I feel like I missed something-
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Corwin first, Marci second.In post 1425, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
I don't love this as an alternative, either.In post 1324, Datisi wrote:i also wouldn't cry if we yeet marci instead
It's been a consistent process of multiple people having independent reasons to suspect him. The AtE isn't relevant.
Theonlyreason I ever considered hammering was out of fear that town would blow it and let him live. Towns have a habit of letting scum this obvious stay alive for far too long if they let them get away once.-
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What is your current case on him? He's the only one you've called scum and you've been doing it all day.In post 1434, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Because I think he's actually scum
I feel like I've put up more of an actual case against Alex today than you have.-
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I never have a town game without 1 or 2 random guys in the game calling me scum every couple of posts, I'm kinda used to it.In post 1437, scamper wrote:
i put a 0% chance crescent is scum with themIn post 1435, Save The Dragons wrote:It's still Crescent Corwin and johnnycakes
In 2272 it was Scorpious. In 2273 it was Corwin. What's interesting is the player who does it is often town.
Much like 2273, a team with both me and Corwin kinda makes no sense. Vivax, who was town, had this crazy conspiracy theory we were both scum but could never actually justify it.
STD has no reason to keep pursuing me if he's scum. It reads to me as him legitimately pinging hard off of one of my NAI traits and refusing to let it go no matter what.-
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Opportunistic is a word I have personally used to describe him.In post 1438, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm not much of a 'case' guy. He feels slimy. He feels opportunistic. When he shows up I'm always like 'yeah you would say that right now'-
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See this is 2273 Corwin right here - The outright refusal to even entertain any slight possibility that I am town.In post 1441, Save The Dragons wrote:
I think healthy ice cream tastes goodIn post 1437, scamper wrote:
i put a 0% chance crescent is scum with themIn post 1435, Save The Dragons wrote:It's still Crescent Corwin and johnnycakes
Sorry. I wanted to live in your world and see what it's like to be completely wrong about something
I have half the game hard town reading me, but he refuses to let go of a single point that has him convinced I am scum. I already know nothing I can do will change it.
STD is town. Scum almost never do this with me.-
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It was a mega overreaction of an "ah ha!" Moment.In post 1443, scamper wrote:
i'm not really sure i see it but this is a towny postIn post 1340, Gamma Emerald wrote:nah bella scumclaimed
I caught a grammatical error that indicates she backtracked on calling Corwin town and instead opted to just say she was leaving him alone for today-
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It bothers me that he was paying enough attention after his claim to immediately snipe at me for effectively correcting Ausuka saying "it's only been 10 minutes" by saying it had been almost an hour, yet offered no content of any sort in the process.
I see him continuing to focus on all the wrong things.-
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I kinda agree it looks weird, though it might be overthinky more than scummy. Like, Ausuka's claim arguably isn't even a PR to begin with. The setup metaing in general has been dumb, but I have no idea where that one's even going. It seems to be making a bunch of random assumptions at once.In post 1456, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
This partIn post 1447, Freedom wrote:There would be too many Town PRs and suggest that Mafia has some fancy PRs too.-
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Sometimes weird words slip into posts that make no sense but don't really mean anything. The "town" in that post had no discernable context. I didn't really read anything into it.
I've seen some amazingly bad posts by town before. I once saw a town member say "Becausewewould have taken a big risk not blocking him last night" instead ofthey.
He basically got policied for it by people who didn't even think he was scum. I generally don't believe in perspective slips unless it's a specific circumstance such as a player seeming to know too much about someone else's alignment.
Also, MN2273 had 4 town power roles.-
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If Hoods counted as a PR, then MM2272 had 6 town PRs.In post 1471, Freedom wrote:
I am.In post 1470, Roden wrote:Who are the potential four town PRs?
Ausuka/Bella/Corwin/???
Unless you're counting the hood?
I know that I'm Town.
Therefore, at least 4 Town PRs.-
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2272 had a Gunsmith Neighbor that obliterated the Scum Neighbor.In post 1476, Ausuka wrote:It is absolutely a serious claim
Idk if Corwin's already dead but I realised his role would be jk neighbour which is slightly less plain I guess-
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4 posts. All still focusing on the wrong things. No real content.
1: Pokes Ausuka's claim - Cheap.
2: Rolefishes Bella - Nope.
3: Passively defends Marci without giving a reason - "Ok".
4: Acts like setup meta is a significant factor in the votes on him. Does not address any of the actual reasons he got votes in the first place - Avoidance.
Everyone has now caught up, and these posts do nothing for me except for make me more town lean Bella a little more.
VOTE: Corwin
I'm going to bed. I don't have an internal argument for letting this drag any further.-
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I wrote a miniwall at home but I'm not home so I can't post it at the moment but the cliffsnotes of it is that Corwin flippingalignedmakes Alex look way worse than him straight flipping scum would've looked, and that Datisi is my most probable third strictly by POE with Corwin and Alex.
Ex: I stand firmly by post #705. Alex started these actions under pressure while voting for, but before explaining his vote on Bella, then didn't even vote Corwin later on. I believe Alex was going after a soft target of opportunity as a diversion and had no idea he was drawing attention to another scum.
Scamper and Bella still look great though. Genuinely scumhunted him and look better from Corwin's own actions on top of it.
More when I get home.-
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Home now. Wall time.
What Corwin flipping aligned means:
All the arguments about the early sus of him having to be "Busses" are moot. They would not have known he was anything but an easy target. This actually brings my attention squarely back on one person....
Scamper and Bella still look good based on Corwin's actions.
The people who really put the pressure down on Corwin look better (Which again includes Scamper and Bella), because it was still genuine scumhunting. The people who looked like they were just along for the ride do not.
I distinctly recall a post I made earlier: Post #705. Let's just put it in cliffnotes:
"His only 3 attempts to go after Corwin were aimed at drawing Shoshin towards him.
I don't feel good about Corwin so far, but this reads to me as scum Alex trying to get town Shoshin to notice town Corwin. There's no actual feeling of "solving" from anything he has done in regards to him."
Alex only does this under pressure, while his vote is on Bella, and starts doing this before he even explains his vote on Bella. I believe it's exactly what it looked like - Alex did not have Corwin pegged as traitor, and was trying to get Town Shoshin to go after him as a diversion. Alex is also in the group of being "just along for the ride" as far as Corwin's train went.
Corwin specifically flippingalignedfits better alongside scum Alex for reasons such as above. Conversely, it makes Marci's recent outburst feeling like less of an outright scumclaim. That outburst flipped me from Corwin/Alex to Corwin/Marci. Thealignedreveal flips me back to Corwin/Alex.
Furthermore, we had exactly three players all day never place a vote on Corwin: Marci, Bella, and JF - who sat there up Alex's ass all day for reasons (such as opportunism) that I frankly agree with.
You can argue Marci basically never had a chance. She vanished into the ether as he made it to 5 votes, and I think her lack of voting on her return is justifiable (Alex made a notably bad argument shading her for this). Bella didn't place a single vote since post #93 when she voted for Marci.
JF was notably against the train, but that defense was consistent from before it was pointed out how dead obvious a scum Corwin was. If anyone comes out looking better from an aligned flip, it's him. An Alex scumflip makes me feel extra good about JF's chances of being town.
What this means is: The chance is pretty high that both scum voted for Corwin at some point. The first place I'd look to for the second scum is that initial rush of 5 votes, as I have serious doubts of the purity of that rush. Scamper, STD, Datisi, Gamma, and Freedom.
Scamper is almost certainly town. Freedom is probably town and very likely town if Alex flips scum. I have independent (albeit totally self-metay) reasons to think STD is town. This leaves just Datisi and Gamma. Both of them definitely fit in the more "along for the ride" category as far as actually pushing Corwin's train goes - Though Gamma shoed in on Corwin/Alex fairly early, and Datisi trailed off kinda hard after the claim.
Corwin/Alex/Datisi has a fairly high chance of being the solve by day 2 standards - Datisi strictly by POE rather than play. The interesting thing is that I actually think that scumteam probably shoots Gamma tonight anyway.
What's funny is this was originally meant to be like.. A short collection of notes, and it just kept extending as I felt I had more to read into it. Given I was all over Marci at the end of the day, and the solve no longer feels like it includes her, I don't expect to die tonight anyway. This is still nothing compared to the bomb I dropped on day 3 in MN2272 (Which might be the best wall post I'veevermade). I never did anything like it in MN2273, but I did have a wall post to start day 3 the last time I was scum many moons ago. Hurray random variances in play~-
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