Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Dunnstral]

I'm a vanilla townie; BlueBloodedToffee can you explain why you think my slot is mafia? Do you have any other suspects?

[Dunnstral]

Let's not go down silly rabbit holes.

I'm town. Irrelephant, why wouldn't I town read someone for potentially being Commuter?

Because you haven't in the past. Did you know that all of your posting history in games is saved on this site?

Subject: Mini Normal 2009: Day 6

I mean, Tex could quite easily be scum commuter so we should probably just lynch her and not let her survive on a claim alone.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[Dunnstral]

The way I see it:

Irrelephant accuses you of being a mafia rolecop in 1574
You push back with 1575

But 1575 is not a natural opinion for you to have. You do not hav ea natural thought process here. That is what it proves.

[Dunnstral]

Can you take some time to explain why you believe my slot is scum?

[Dunnstral]

Why is your opinion in this game a complete 180 from an opinion you've had in the past. Did those 4 years completely change your view on commuters or something?

It feels like you are trying to sidestep me really hard here. You know what I am asking you.

[Dunnstral]

Is the commuter proven in this game?

[Dunnstral]

I'm looking at the flipped roles, is it not implied that the last mafia is a role cop by gamma's flip being a backup for that role?

Meaning if a commuter can be proven by another role then they would be town because they are not the role cop

Unless role cop is town

And also the Vigilante is town

[Dunnstral]

So the commuter claim was the mafia?

I think you acting like you would always townread a commuter claim when that's not only untrue but actually completely counter to your natural thoughts is a full-on scum claim.

And that you desperately trying to sidestep this conversation by:
1) Not answering why you were voting my slot before I replaced in
2) Telling me to push on people who are 'pushing me harder'
3) Simply saying that I 'have an agenda' after you get pushed

Is another scum claim

[Dunnstral]

Votecount 1.3

Loftwing

(4):

FancyPants

, Lowell, MalcolmTucker, Irrelephant11

[E-3]

Eiralox

(3): Confidently Wrong,

Loftwing

, kennyk

Lowell

(2):

Cat Scratch Fever

, Eiralox

Malakittens

(1):

Fredrick A Campbell

kennyk

(1): BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedTofee

(1):

Malakittens

Confidently Wrong

(1):

Shoshin

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-04 11:14:00).

Votecount 1.4

Loftwing

(5):

FancyPants

, Lowell, MalcolmTucker, Irrelephant11,

Shoshin

[E-2]

Lowell

(3):

Cat Scratch Fever

,

Fredrick A Campbell

, Confidently Wrong

Eiralox

(2):

Loftwing

, kennyk

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

Malakittens

Fredrick A Campbell

(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

(1): Eiralox

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-04 11:14:00).

Flip 1.5

Fredrick A Campbell

(7): BlueBloodedToffee, Eiralox, Lowell, Confidently Wrong, Irrelephant11,

FancyPants

,

Shoshin

[HAMMER!]

Lowell

(2):

Cat Scratch Fever

,

Loftwing

Loftwing

(1):

Fredrick A Campbell

Eiralox

(1): kennyk

BlueBloodedToffee

(1):

Malakittens

Not Voting

(1): MalcolmTucker

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Fredrick A Campbell

has been eliminated!

Fredrick A Campbell's role was

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof

!

Blue = alive and clear

It looks like there was some bussing going on, which prompted Loftwing to claim, which then prompted said bussing to cease

I think that Shoshin's parting words with irrelephant feel like mafia hiding behind a town's opinions

Shoshin saying that Loftwing felt "too easy" could be TMI if there was a second mafia bussing Loftwing at the same time

Loftwing was not voting for Fredrick but Shoshin hammered it. Malcolm looks like a towny for being both off that elimination and being on the Loftwing vote earlier.

Eiralox goes from voting Lowell to voting nobody to voting Fredrick, which makes them more likely to be mafia

I think BlueBloodedToffee looks pretty bad from this, even if you disagree

Your voting around this time (Confidently Wrong) is suspect too as it looks like you might be trying to get counter wagons going in all 3 vcs I quoted

Lowell I don't have an opinion on

[Dunnstral]

Gamma also tries to hide behind Confidently Wrong's reads in one of their 2 posts

Loftwing asks Confidently Wrong why they are town

Combined this makes them seem less likely as the last mafia

Loftwing also has a bit of a spat with Eiralox that looks unaligned

[Dunnstral]

How do I look bad from this?

You avoid voting for the wagon on scum and end up on the counter wagon on town

[Dunnstral]

I mean, it looks like you did? That's my point

If you mean why not vote for Eiralox or Lowell, I don't know, but I don't think it is unlikely to instead push Fredrick

[Dunnstral]

dunn, im like 99% sure eira is the town compulsive vig and its unlikely to be them. yeah yeah outting pr reads anti town whatever. i use pr reads to sort the game holistically

I probably wasn't going to vote Eiralox but noted

[Dunnstral]

So rather than just vote Lowell I decided to create an entire case on somebody else and just cross my fingers that it would go through?

What really matters is that the wagon on mafia dissolved due to their claim, and that Shoshin was bussing to get the claim out faster, and that you then argued that the claim was town indicative

So yes, I can see how you can be scum based on that

And who you were actually voting matters less than the wagon on mafia dissolving, which you played a part in

bbt really didnt have any reason to make a case on fredrick over just pushing through a lowell wagon as scum and just blaming me if it were to flip town there.

Fine

UNVOTE:

So who do you think it is

[Dunnstral]

I guess it's notable that neither Loftwing or Shoshin vote for Lowell either, as a counter to Loftwing, except for the last votecount Loftwing has switched to Lowell for some reason instead of voting out Fredrick

[Dunnstral]

It kind of is because you were scum reading me at end of D1 and nothing really happened D2 that should have changed that

Happy to vote you if it comes to it. Kenny and his replacement have both continued to look bad whereas your interventions today have been marginally better.

Can you point out how I have continued to look bad?

[Dunnstral]

For that matter how has Kenny looked bad?

[Dunnstral]

I think the poe is probably fine, even if I get eliminated. I do think avoiding to eliminate the people at the top of your reads is enough to win this (I also don't think it is irrelephant)

[Dunnstral]

Enchant
Irrelephant
Eira

I think leaving out these 3 names gets us the win, and I don't think the last mafia can kill them all fast enough.

Don't really think it is you but your name seems relevant this game so far

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: dunnstral

I prefer this to cw, ironically bbt has convinced me the flash wagon on Fred could possibly all be townies, and dunnstral’s entrance followed by shutting up feels like scum who thought they’d done enough to save themselves and didn’t want to mess it up by sticking around

I'm not sure you really believe this, looks like you're going for the easy elimination right now

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Confidently Wrong

[Dunnstral]

I'll hammer myself if I have to at deadline

[Dunnstral]

They don't talk about why they killed CSF

[Dunnstral]

actually townsided, the traffic analyst exists.

rolecop tho is extremly strong esp with a backup.

I tried to make a high-power setup, TBH. The review said it's balanced.

Let me tell you what I think: scum-sided investigative rolls are really, really overrated. Mafia needs to be able to deal with town that has claimed their power roles, a mafia role cop is useless if every townie has claimed their pr, or if finding prs does not help the mafia. Generally the role cop will only help the mafia for the first 2 nights, and the backup is superfluous.