Mini Normal 2278: Southern France [Game Over]

[froggodoggo]

Second! Hi everyone! Who else is excited for a cute lil 7p?

Just kidding. I'm a d0 double rolecop. Eiralox is a night 2 strongman and Bloodb0t is an informed bulletproof.

I say we get rid of the strongman first, since that's guaranteed scum

VOTE: Eiralox

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Spoiler:

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VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

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is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer

[froggodoggo]

is there a typo in there? post 8 is voting for Eiralox so how does that prevent a quick hammer

No, that’s not a typo. Andante votes for Eiralox but then says that it’s E-2.

ahh i see. i just see announcing e-2 as a courtesy type of thing and i don't think it is AI.

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VOTE: T3

found a maf

explain?

there is no way town is legitimately callimg me maf and voting me here. at least not yet

I don't believe this is true and I am having a hard time believing that you think it is true.

Saying that town would never suspect you here implies that town should always be TRing you on the basis of your first 4 posts.

VOTE: Andante

[froggodoggo]

I still think that saying you are never town for suspecting her is a stretch and that it's more likely to come from a mafia who's trying to fake a town POV.

pedit hi welcome vote andante

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nope! just coincidence. it would've been opportunism if you hadn't already said you think Andante was town.

Andante are you saying that all people think the same as town??

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why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?

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Andante what happened to T3? is he not mafia anymore?

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why would scum have such a reaction to this page 1?

Lots of stuff happened this page 1 and scum might not want to risk ‘poking’ me or Andante. So, they choose to ignore it and try to fly under the radar.

I think it’s far more likely that ceejay saw the thread and only had time to make one or two phone posts about page 2, so I’m not going to read into it too much.

what do you think about Andante reading into it?

[froggodoggo]

I mean I don't want to add fuel to what looks like a bad fire so

can you explain to me what this means like im 5 yrs old

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Why does froggo seem very dodgy these past few pages?

u tell me

[froggodoggo]

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

[froggodoggo]

Mafia:
ceejayvinoya
froggodoggo

BWAH?!

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One thing that sticks out to me is that CJ asked Frog to sell him on voting andante, but Frog just ignored that request, and CJ ignored Frog's ignoring. Maybe they decided in mafia chat not to talk about it?

i saw it but I didnt want to push even more on Andante until andante came back and answered my questions. i would hope we would not decide to make posts interacting with each other and then decide in scum chat to do absolutely nothing with it. that seems very counter productive to winning a game as mafia

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I guess the most interesting part of page 1 for me would be were T3's early reads at the end. I don't entirely get how he decided to townread andante.

I know you had nothing to comment early, but like, here you have frog just coming at my throat like "how dare you ask CJ a question" like, I'm moving forward, but CJ seems very against me "calling you out" even though I'm asking you questions I want feed back on. What are your thoughts about frog not wanting to hear you answer a single question, yet instead "EVERYON ELSE ASKING QUESTIONS IS BAD"

what??? i never said any of that. what are you tallking about

[froggodoggo]

honestly, I think froggo genuinely looks the worst here, like, trying to shut down pushes that are actually going to go places, meanwhile he doesn't have anything that he, himself is actually doing

????????????????????

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Like, this just reads as trying to "look busy" and we call the "hero solve" Me and T3, like, you didn't stop for a second to consider that T3 and I might be familiar with each other? one of the recent times we played T3 told me he hated how I play, so like, obviously I'm going to be more annoyed when he starts the game coming at me, you ever think that "conflict" went away so the game actually became enjoyable for both??

no. ur kinda assuming that im omnipotent. if i could assume and consider all of these things i would be curing cancer i promise

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like, idk about you, but to me starting a game off by fighting a scum partner sounds like the worst plan, especially in 7p. You "read" of T3 and Andante scum feels like a 0 effort "solve"
and like, shutting down everything directed at CJ... don't you want to have a read there? you say you're null there, but all you've done is start attacking me for asking CJ stuff.... great plan btw if you're genuinely trying to solve CJ... great plan!

again ur extrapolating off of nothing. i asked you 2 questions and your reaction was to ignore them and assume that im questioning you in order to get you off of CJ. you can answer those questions and still push CJ.

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I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

it was all i had so far and it was my best guess at who scum could be without waiting for other players to start efforting. not a very serious read and I think it's scummy that multiple people are making it out to be one

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skimmed thru some posts cause there was a lot but Andante needs to go. she made a conscious choice to not answer my questions and frame it as some sort of scum ploy to halt all game solving. this is another reach from andante that i think is disingenuine and just looks like scum gaslighting town to me.

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I'm surprised by froggodoggo's 'hero solve' of andante/T3 because I picked up on the fact they had history very easily by their first posts. And even without their history it seems like 2 towns fighting to me. He does seem scummy for this. If he didn't have 2 votes already I'd feel more comfortable with voting for him right now.

bloodb0t's opening looked like town to me but this pings me hard. sussing someone for not being in the loop with meta is not fruitful but thats whatever. saying that you wont vote me because i already have 2 votes looks like scum holding off in order to appear townier. if you sus me, VOTE ME. i think this inaction is scum.

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if anyone had any questions for me please post them again and maybe like bold them even because there was a crap ton of posts and if anyone asked me anything i definitely missed it.

idk what to think abt galron or ceejay. been seeing people say T3 is town based on meta so im cool with that for now, nothing abt their posting pinged me.

i want andante and bloodbot gone.

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so true

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?

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wahoo!

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that is E-1 btw!! seems like no one wants to help me out… blood, if I’m scum, do you think it’s only town pushing me? Namely you, T3, Andante, and ceejay. If so, does that mean the 2nd mafia is in Galron/Eiralox?

[froggodoggo]

wahoo!

How does this help town win?

like a peacock, my overwhelming shouts of joy scare off the mafia and allow me to live a peaceful, towny life

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that is E-1 btw!! seems like no one wants to help me out… blood, if I’m scum, do you think it’s only town pushing me? Namely you, T3, Andante, and ceejay. If so, does that mean the 2nd mafia is in Galron/Eiralox?

care to answer this instead of poking me for saying "wahoo" ?? ?

[froggodoggo]

If you are town, then… I don’t know.

that's a big problem!

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maybe andante town. idk i still dont like a lot of their content but they aren't trying to murder me and this is a small game so that makes a big difference

VOTE: bloodb0t

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i'll vote galron if you do @bloodb0t

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and Galron is a little different cause like, ehhh there's stuff there, but none of it really feels AI to me, so probably just need more time for a read there

agreed although the fact that none of it feels AI makes me think its scum, if u know what i mean

[froggodoggo]

Out of the PoE of Bloodbot, Galron, and froggo:

Weak scum
Bloodbot
Lean scum
Galron
scum
Froggo

If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

vote galron with me

VOTE: galron

[froggodoggo]

oooh you two have a deeper history than I assumed. That explains stuff.

This might also explain T3's confidence in his read on you.

Yeah. I went on hiatus around 8 months ago and this is my second game back, but I would previously often play with Andante.

I pushed Andante specifically because I knew she would generate a lot of content from my push on her, so the game would go faster.

never saw this but T3 is town

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So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

Why is Eiralox town?

quoting this so I could answer it later

Oh I see.
I think I’m going to town bin Eiralox and ceejay for today?

could you explain this to me? i believe you believe it but I would like to be convinced that the game is solved

[froggodoggo]

loving the flavor aisa <3 usually i just ignore it but i like the descriptions

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everyone change your votes to Galron so we have an excuse for another VC and more flavor !

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If froggo is scum, he is scum with Galron but not bloodbot. But, bloodbot can be scum with Galron.

It's funny that both of froggo's srs are those who sr him back.

Immediately after these posts are made, froggo suddenly decides to vote Galron. froggo is absolutely just newbie scum flailing and making an attempt to bus his partner Galron.

then vote galron

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is that post talking to me

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from my pov T3 is very confident in solving this game and I am very confident that T3 is town so my job is to just push on the people in their POE that isn’t me

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i don’t TR galron or bloodbot and that aligns with T3’s POE so im cool with it

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maybe y’all feel differently but this is a 7p on page 8 so I’m just chillin!

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Fair. i think confidence is usually a town tell but I can see how a confident scum could steamroll this game

pedit I dunno about that… which town is T3 trying to miselim?

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T3 is on my scum list, along with Eira for being silent and being defended for no reason by t3. I thought maybe T3 talking about froggo not engaging my case could have been a pocket attempt. When he realized it wasn't working, he decided to try to frame me for attacking silly fun posts.

Still dunno about T3 being scum, but this kind of post is very town!pov from bloodb0t. I don't agree with the read but it's so farfetched that i don't think it comes from mafia.

Farfetched probably isnt the right word, i KNOW theres a term that mafia players use for this and every time i want to use it i forget what it is D:

anyways UNVOTE: bloodb0t

[froggodoggo]

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

loving my reads into voting me is a weird jump that i didnt pay much attention to before. seems like scum who forgot what their reads were and voted opportunistically. i'd like an explanation for the jump. also CJ and T3 have both TR'd eiralox w/o reason so Eiralox might just be town who is being spewed by the mafia

VOTE: ceejay

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lets flip ceejay red and clear myself blood and eiralox.

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honestly, I think froggo genuinely looks the worst here, like, trying to shut down pushes that are actually going to go places, meanwhile he doesn't have anything that he, himself is actually doing

what do you think about froggo sorta TR'ing me in the beginning me and now going after two others for the same reason? Do you think it's a genuine push or deflection?

this is quite literally not what i'm doing!! that is in no way a reasoning for any push i've made, just something that I noted

[froggodoggo]

muh VC (in 20 minutes)

i was here

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This unvote made no sense, because froggodoggo was voting Galron at the time:

WOOPS lol. lets just say it was to show i no longer want to vote for bloodb0t?

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And we got froggo saying u and ceejay scum cos

also never said this?????

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ah missed that post my bad. i also believe you are misrepping blood in 213 but i will let them decide

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lets flip ceejay red and clear myself blood and eiralox.

Do you think that I am scum with ceejay?

no clue

[froggodoggo]

from my pov T3 is very confident in solving this game and I am very confident that T3 is town so my job is to just push on the people in their POE that isn’t me

i don’t TR galron or bloodbot and that aligns with T3’s POE so im cool with it

maybe y’all feel differently but this is a 7p on page 8 so I’m just chillin!

the heck?

why'd you pick now to start posting like this?

this is weirdly towny but idk

felt like it

[froggodoggo]

Eiralox is town. they seem independent. like they r just out there in the world with no scum buddy. just the vibe that i get from that intro.

null on ceejay

page 3 hero solve t3/andante tbh that "conflict" went away immediately

I'm in love with these reads

T3 and andante did feel like they backed off each other pretty quickly

The only problem is that I don't really see andante scum so far

andante disengaging with T3 on 21 really pings towny to me for some reason

So sorting from this:

andante probably town.

T3 could be town?

Eiralox is town because I said so.

VOTE: froggodoggo

I wish we'd get more galron and blood posts to work with soon.

loving my reads into voting me is a weird jump that i didnt pay much attention to before. seems like scum who forgot what their reads were and voted opportunistically. i'd like an explanation for the jump. also CJ and T3 have both TR'd eiralox w/o reason so Eiralox might just be town who is being spewed by the mafia

VOTE: ceejay

and of course you backtrack. Did you just straight up ignore everything that happened between these two posts?

i read your iso and dont see the reason for jumping on me. i'd like an explanation for the jump.

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what narrative am I weaving lol

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if you truly think ceejay is town I am inclined to vote you but I do not see myself making it out of today

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ok

VOTE: galron

weeeee die

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OHHHH yeah that explains a lot. T3 is locktown. i had a similar thing d1 in my first game on site

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I may or may not have some spicy info, will wait till everyone shows up

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Andante I have a gunsmith guilty on you

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Hot DAMN T3 LOL

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Yeah it is a lie wanna lim T3 the informed goon?

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Would like to see the crumbs but i imagine scum being informed of the masons is what balances this setup

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Yes T3 is mafia. probably

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I know I just said they are locktown but that was before he was actually right about the masons

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Unless anyone wants to claim a role, this is a setup where scum knows there are masons and that they will claim together in Mylo. That’s why this setup works as a 7p.

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I was doing setup spec in my head and I was thinking of a possible setup in which there are 2 masons at the exact same time I noticed ceejay crumb mason

What crumb?

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it was really obvious we had mason claims going on

yeah ahaha… so obvious…

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T3 pull up the crumb

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Ohhhh. That first quote to me looked like they were just making sure they didn’t forget to answer it. Interpreting as later as in another phase definitely changes things.

I’ll be totally honest I did not know there were masons whatsoever and probably would’ve killed CJ or blood

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If y’all wanna duel in f3 by all means but if T3 were to pull up a very obvious crumb that would dispute my current theory. Personally I don’t think them TRing each other suspiciously is a “crumb”, I’m looking for something like CJ spelling Eiralox’s name out using the first letter of posts.

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I mean, no I was just being lazy and Galron was the only player who I couldn’t find any towniness in their postings. I found Eiralox town immediately and while I was SRing CJ I saw reasons they could be town too. Galron just seemed like the least riskiest vote. If he’s town then whatever and if he’s scum then nice.

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VOTE: froggo

yeah I'm voting the obvious, and if it is T3, that's a later thing, but I think the simplest answer is just, it's froggo, cause T3!scum there.. all he had to do was kill a mason, and blood was still on the table as a viable mislim, I'm not going with the "what if this is big brain play"
keeping it simple, staying with the obvious, also froggo's stance on me changed the second I called frog prob town, so yeah, this is cool by me

I’m pretty sure there’s a mafia informed, could be wrong but if there was then you may have claimed backup vig or something. Maybe they just know the entire setup but that seems unlikely.

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I found Eiralox town immediately

before the 20 posts in a row from Eira, you immediately found Eira town?

Pretty sure I found them town on opening. From my POV scum knew masons and didn’t kill them so VOTE: T3

Pedit because 2 surprise masons in F5 sounds like trouble

[froggodoggo]

what were the joat abilities?

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thought it would be a good reaction test cuz if u claim something like backup vig it makes no sense if theres not actually a gunsmith

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personally if i were scum going into an F5 with two dead VTs i would assume i'm up against 2 PRs and a VT and so at least one scum would claim PR and have to fight the masons since there wouldnt be 2 masons and a PR. so the counterplay to that is an informed mafia. maybe im wrong tho, two goons and nothing else could be a sign that there is masons or at least no invest.

pedit: because the chance of a town happening to be backup vig while another town fakeclaims a gunsmith guilty on them and there being no actual gunsmith seems impossibly low.

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I don't see "Eira and CJ clear day 1" being a towny thought, especially coming without reasoning

if you also knew they were masons what is the reason for this comment?

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I didn't even say that was scummy lol it was just a question

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i'm still leaning T3 here and currently voting them but u defaulting to assuming im sussing u is weird

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andante do you think you will win against T3 in f3

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actually you already answered that didnt u

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T3 what happens if i get limmed and i flip town up until game ends

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froggo, can you link some of your off-site games?

no

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UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE:

so now you think it's me? why?

does that say i think its andante or does that say unvote?

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i feel as if i am only SRing you because you are the only one here rn but every time you keep assuming things i want to vote you more and more. i only unvoted bcuz i dont feel confident enough for day to end

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i will let t3 respond first

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but u r right that his play aligns with knowing there will be a tmrw

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what a wacky position to be in… T3 and andante think y’all could pull up evidence of the other being paired with galron?

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also T3 any thoughts about Andante thinking you were also a mason with CJ and Eiralox?

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what a wacky position to be in… T3 and andante think y’all could pull up evidence of the other being paired with galron?

It's weird that you're making them do this but I'm not against it lol.

Where are your thoughts right now?

lol was just abt to post.

right now i am leaning towards T3. andante's post seem much more genuine. T3's posts read to me like scum backed into a corner.

i am not confident about it and can see either one flipping town but if andante is scum she is at least digging herself into a hole by saying T3 is conf maf and saying to vote for her etc

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unfortunate that T3 and andante have not had the chance to have a live convo with each other i think that would help a lot. but i dont think its necessary we can just be lazy

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I wonder if its better for masons to hide their thoughts? being the one who is not in the 1v1 rn i obviously do not want the PoE to change, so im biased. but I would hate to see us lose because we miselim and then the remaining mason lets the mafia get in their head based on the kill. if the masons keep quiet then the kill is pretty random.

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I reread D1 to look for partnerings. T3 talks to Galron a LOT but neither of them ever converse about T3 sussing Galron. T3 only actually votes Galron until T3 makes several post thinking i'm town and Galron never ever acknowledges T3 sussing him. However, Galron doesnt acknowledge Andante either. Andante comes to the same conclusion as T3, that Galron is the most likely scum, without the two ever interacting with each other.

Not sure which one is more likely to be mafia. I do see hints that T3 and Galron couldve been working together to weave a narrative but it could also be Galron taking advantage of town!T3. Really sucks how quiet Galron is in regards to T3 and Andante at the end of the day. I really cannot tell whether the conversations between T3 and Galron are genuine or not. Part of me thinks that Galron feeling comfortable talking to T3 at the start of the day and then them not talking at all at the end of the day is more suspicious than Andante and Galron consistently avoiding each other.

Then I also think, if T3 is mafia why does Galron continue to go for me and not try to give T3 more towncred for the bus? Was it more of a spur of the moment thing and so Galron just kept pushing me?

So rude of the mafia to not make it obvious

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It would be easier to push you and keep the heat off Galron, I think.

did T3 not do the same tho?

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i mean push galron instead of me

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cause T3 is being very clear he TRed froggo's eod.. I forget why I called froggo town, but I know I said it, but I kinda like this theory a lot more than "T3 planned on limming these 2 specific people"
but then there's that GS claim thing, but I'd bet it was just for rxns.. and when I talked about a scum joat in the 9p, froggo seemed pretty interested in that, which makes me thing they're a joat here.. bt like, why be that obvious as scum?

and masons clearly sr me, so idk...

im definitely not a joat I just think setup spec is fun

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my issue here is froggo has been way too chill,

what’s wrong with being chill?

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VOTE: T3

i think I’m settled on this.
andante saying they r 100% confident in T3, don’t let T3 convince u tmrw, and then backtracking and saying well it COULD be froggo and unvoting… it’s scummy and inconsistent but so much to a point that it’s not worth making those posts as scum. It’s hard for me to see it as genuine paranoia but it probably just is.

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if ur town then we won

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Not sure what prompted this but <3!!

i wanted to keep the d0 rolecop thing going and couldnt do that if i started putting pressure on andante or t3 but i REALLYYYY wanted to post so i posted that

[froggodoggo]

thank u for modding and ggs everyone!! sorry ur plan got foiled T3, if CJ and eira weren't confirmed i could definitely see myself locktowning you until game end.

did not expect masons to have additional powers! but its pretty interesting. thank gosh one cant watch the other. im generally not a fan of watcher but the 1 for 1 trade might be better than a doc save or something since this is such a small setup and working around 3 conf town could be annoying for maf.

despite how short the game was i enjoyed everyone's presence and hope to see you all around!!! i personally will be taking a break from the site, i played way too much mafia in a short amount of time and eventually i forgot to stay positive and i upset some ppl and i very much so regret it. but i hope to come back better than ever and to have a good time with yall!!

Very late postgame note:
I originally redacted the last paragraph of this post as I suspected it referred to a different game that was still ongoing at the game. That game has now ended, too. It seems fine to reinstate that paragraph. Hope you're doing well, froggo! ~Aisa

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We ran into a group of small schoolchildren singing the French national anthem and decided to show off our superior teenage lungs by singing our own anthem.

LMAOOO

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I read the public thread and i am also technically an alt!! wanted to make a new account cause i made cringey posts in my first game that i hated reading afterwards and also flaked out cause i got overwhelmed by wallposts...