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No Lynch on Day 1? That is NEVER a good move.GnKoichi wrote: vote: NO LYNCH[/b]
You FoS charter for making a good point. At night, docs will probably die, and vigs are eventually exposed. Where does a no lynch help this? We have 0 chance of killing the mafia or SK without lynching. At night, sure, maybe the vigs will kill scum, but a no lynch right now gives them almost no help finding anyone. Basically, no lynch is bad and suggesting it is enough for a:GnKoichi wrote: Maybe charter wants to avoid a No Lynch since a lynch would mean the likelihood of us killing one of our own docs (50% chance of this happening).FoS: charter.
Are you seriously trying to say that a No Lynch gives us MORE information?GnKoichi wrote: However, I do think we can get more info out of the night stage than this part of the scum hunt.
That's normal for any mafia game and most people will agree that no lynching on day 1 is bad. Also, that's the same as the odds you give a vig with a no lynch. Look at this from the point of view of a vig. So, hypothetically, you are a vig. We no lynch. With the information we have now, are you prepared to make a kill? There are 11 possible targets, 4 of which are scum. As vig, you have a 4/11, or 36%, chance of hitting scum and a 6/12, or 50% chance that your target is someone who the town is protecting. Also, assume that the mafia doc protects scum. That leaves 3 scum, 1 being protected. You have 2 possible targets who could be mafia and aren't protected by the mafia doc. Now, including SK, you have 3 good targets, and have to hope none of the 6 docs protected them. Odds are not good for our vigs. We need our lynch and some discussion to get anything done.GnKoichi wrote:Sorry 66% chance to kill one of our own. Still not good odds.
Try scumhunting instead of suggesting that we no lynch and put the entire game in the hands of vigs who know nothing vs. SK who doesn't need to know much and mafia who are going to be planning everything they do.GnKoichi wrote:It seems no matter what I say, I make someone suspicious of me.
This made me laugh.Wall-E wrote: Shit, buster, on those odds I'd whip out an uzi and mow over half the town D1, giggling while I did it, just trying to randomly win ON ACCIDENT! I would strap a chainsaw on each arm and leg and CARTWHEEL OF DEATH through EVERY. SINGLE. ONE of you, randomly chopping off heads, arms, and peckers on the OFF CHANCE I'd win with those spectacufuckinglar odds.
Stef wrote:Hmm.. i think newbie games are there for a reason. Just my two cents. However, as apparently i like to repeat myself, being a newbie doesn't make his mistakes tolerable or acceptable. I won't give him the newbie status. He's a player like any other since he joined an OG instead of a NG. His nonsense is derailing the discussion and that is against scum-hunting no matter of his alignment.
Yes. If you are both scum. If you are scum together, Wall-E would probably be bussing you soon if your lynch starts to look inevitible. If you are town, and Wall-E is scum, I could see Wall-E staying off the wagon to look like one of the few who was right.GnKoichi wrote:hypothetical
Obviously this also plays into WIFOM, but if Wall-e and I were scum, wouldn't he try to distance himself from me right now? Since I'm a likely lynch target, him being the first to defend me would look terrible once my role were revealed.
/hypothetical
No, but more scumhunting and less setup discussion would be nice.TonyMontana wrote: Does every tidbit of info have to be about scumhunting?
Well you had already given your stance on charter. All you were I asked about was the conncection you mentioned.GnKoichi wrote:The question I was answering was "Why would I connect KMD & Charter, and how does that make either of them seem scummy?"
Tell me how to answer that without giving my reasons for thinking Charter is scummy.....
... Except once you lynch me and everyone sees I'm town, you and Charter are the next ones gone, because that will only prove that I'm right.
'kay?
I think I've been pretty clear as far as my number one suspect.Nameless wrote:
@ Kmd: You're making quite a few short posts without much depth. In as much detail as possible, who do you consider your number one suspect and why?
Kmd4390 wrote:No Lynch on Day 1? That is NEVER a good move.GnKoichi wrote: vote: NO LYNCH[/b]
You FoS charter for making a good point. At night, docs will probably die, and vigs are eventually exposed. Where does a no lynch help this? We have 0 chance of killing the mafia or SK without lynching. At night, sure, maybe the vigs will kill scum, but a no lynch right now gives them almost no help finding anyone. Basically, no lynch is bad and suggesting it is enough for a:GnKoichi wrote: Maybe charter wants to avoid a No Lynch since a lynch would mean the likelihood of us killing one of our own docs (50% chance of this happening).FoS: charter.
Vote GnKoichi
Are you seriously trying to say that a No Lynch gives us MORE information?GnKoichi wrote: However, I do think we can get more info out of the night stage than this part of the scum hunt.
That's normal for any mafia game and most people will agree that no lynching on day 1 is bad. Also, that's the same as the odds you give a vig with a no lynch. Look at this from the point of view of a vig. So, hypothetically, you are a vig. We no lynch. With the information we have now, are you prepared to make a kill? There are 11 possible targets, 4 of which are scum. As vig, you have a 4/11, or 36%, chance of hitting scum and a 6/12, or 50% chance that your target is someone who the town is protecting. Also, assume that the mafia doc protects scum. That leaves 3 scum, 1 being protected. You have 2 possible targets who could be mafia and aren't protected by the mafia doc. Now, including SK, you have 3 good targets, and have to hope none of the 6 docs protected them. Odds are not good for our vigs. We need our lynch and some discussion to get anything done.GnKoichi wrote:Sorry 66% chance to kill one of our own. Still not good odds.
Try scumhunting instead of suggesting that we no lynch and put the entire game in the hands of vigs who know nothing vs. SK who doesn't need to know much and mafia who are going to be planning everything they do.GnKoichi wrote:It seems no matter what I say, I make someone suspicious of me.
Kmd4390 wrote:Ok, first, are you trying to say that charter intentionally tried to make you suggest a no lynch?
Second, in those quotes, he mentions how it would be like nightless, which does nothing with a no lynch. Also, he clearly says he doesn't think no lynch is the right option.
Kmd4390 wrote:What did you do to "act as a smoke screen" following his posts. You voted no lynch. If you think he was trying to mislead us, you are blaming him for your no lynch vote.
Kmd4390 wrote:Stef wrote:Hmm.. i think newbie games are there for a reason. Just my two cents. However, as apparently i like to repeat myself, being a newbie doesn't make his mistakes tolerable or acceptable. I won't give him the newbie status. He's a player like any other since he joined an OG instead of a NG. His nonsense is derailing the discussion and that is against scum-hunting no matter of his alignment.
Kmd4390 wrote:I posted what I thought were pretty direct contradictions. You showed that they weren't. I still don't like the way you blamed charter for what you did though. It's not that I think he is cleared as town or anything, I just don't think he is misleading us in the way you think he is. He seems pretty clear in his ideas so far.
Kmd4390 wrote:I know you said you aren't blaming him for your no lynch vote. But you ARE blaming him for what you call intentionally misleading us which IS what led you to vote no lynch. In what way do you think charter is misleading us?
Ok, in a way, I did defend Charter or at least his actions. I see what you are getting at. Not sure what more to say except that we aren't scum buddies.
I'd be careful about saying this. If charter is scum, and the scum think that charter will be targeted with a kill, the mafia doctor (assuming we don't lynch them) will end up protecting him. I'm not trying to say that you were definitely trying to get a vig to shoot him, but try to stay clear of this kind of thing. Of course if you are scum, you don't really need to worry about this though.GnKoichi wrote: Let's knock Wall-E out, and then when he's shown to be Scum, we can take Charter tonight or tomorrow.
It was sarcasm.Nameless wrote:GnKoichi wrote:I am not arguing semantics.GnKoichi wrote:Nameless: That's not what "know" means,Wait, wait, wait. NowKmd4390 wrote:Wait. You say he basically admitted to being scum, but is being misleading? If he is misleading us, and admitting to being scum, wouldn't that make him town by your logic?Kmdis misinterpreting GK?
Damn it people, you can't ALL be scum.
Umm. Using meanings of words to help a case is exactly what arguing semantics means.GnKoichi wrote:Nameless, to imply that I'm arguing semantics because I am expecting people to use the actual meaning of words is ridiculous.
You think I was really trying to tell you that Charter misled us by claiming scum as town? No. Straight up sarcasm. If you can't see it, then I don't even know what to tell you.Kmd4390 wrote:Wait. You say he basically admitted to being scum, but is being misleading? If he is misleading us, and admitting to being scum, wouldn't that make him town by your logic?
Sorry, but bad case.
Well, there goes most of GnK's case. Or maybe Charter is misleading us by answering no.charter wrote:No.Kmd4390 wrote:Charter, did you knowingly claim scum?
Kiro? I'd be interested in seeing this "giant case" when you have the time.charter wrote:Really? Pretty sure I've said GK and given reasons. I've said I think you are too, but I don't have time to make a giant case against you now.Kiro wrote:I'd like to see him cough up his idea of who scum are.
Really. What makes me the SK?charter wrote:318- Obviously I'm overstating.
329- Scum: GK, Kiro, animorph. SK: Kmd.
And you expect to be able to do anything about suspicions without giving reasons because.....?charter wrote:See, this is why I didn't want to state my suspicions. Now I have to defend them.
Not sure what you mean by "playing like a SK". But anyway, yes, I agree with a GnK lynch.charter wrote:What makes you SK? I think you're playing like a SK. I don't have time to do four cases at once, not sure I even have time to do two. That's why I'm just focusing on GK, if someone (by divine intervention) overtakes him as scummiest, I'll have to put more effort in I suppose, but until then, fine with the GK lynch.
Sorry, side tracked again. I'll get this up eventually. All of my games are pretty much taking a hit the last couple of days because of Survivor and RL.Kmd4390 wrote:Stef, I started to re-read Charter this morning, and my girlfriend showed up so I PM'd it to myself quick, and still have it about half done. I'll finish it tomorrow morning. Basically, Charter doesn't look good, but I think GnK is scum, and they aren't aligned together, so like Plum said, one could be SK.
Where in NY?TonyMontana wrote: I'mV/LAfrom wednesday till sunday, due to a trip to NY.
True, but I don't think we can know that the intent is scummy.GnKoichi wrote:I also don't think OP finding that quote of Stef was much of a Pro-town action, since it was clearly ignoring the tone of the statement.