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[Andante]

HEY BESTIES )))

[Andante]

I see I'm currently the most popular slot! What's the bob case?

[Andante]

VOTE: bob

why the fuck was nobody but fire concerned about the fact that we basically quickhammered 2 days into the game
and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

ok what? I read this like "it's d2??" what are you talking about a quickhammer?
I need the details!

[Andante]

UNVOTE:

Not lieking this run on ball. Esp with a know lol hammer player

cause like, this looks like bob was concerned to me about whatever happened??
idk, this slot is town, just trying to figure this out and yall don't really have a wagon going right now.

SOS. Send help. I'm lost

[Andante]

without reading too much, something from northsidegal stood out to me as scummy (post 368) I looked at the iso, and like, they really feel like scum to me
VOTE: northsidegal

that's my 100% accurate SR 5 minutes into being here XD

[Andante]

There was almost a quickhammer, but your slot unvoted in time to prevent it. No one's been eliminated yet.

ooh nice! bob the hero! love to see it XD
ty for the clarification

[Andante]

It's when a replacement enters the game and immediately comments on the scumminess of their slot

When you rep in do you not look at the top wagon? It's not my fault top wagon just so happened to be me, and like this is all you keep doing? rather than comment on anything else game related it's "get andante!!" but like you're not even voting me

VOTE: Not Mafia

[Andante]

VOTE: Andante
Slowly following the wagons around.

this feels like a really weak reason to join the wagon on me, it's barely a wagon, and this feels like RVS reasoning, but we're not in rvs, so you can join my SR pile

[Andante]

Andante replaces bob3141

oh dear

OH YES!

[Andante]

nsg is making themselves unreadable, which is fine but also a wagon on them is a pretty lazy thought because of the latter fact
their early pop-ins were awkward but possibly just >randscum or even null based on their description of their meta

@andante what's so scummy about 368

"i already told you my ideal version of this game, we quickhammer ballpoint and i die overnight" (368)
I fail to see how town!nsg sees that as an idea version of the game, like, why not comment on the fact the ballpoint wagon almost happened, and now it's nonexistent? idk, "we quickhammer X" strikes me as scummy. and then from there I looked at the iso and it is not great

[Andante]

without reading too much, something from northsidegal stood out to me as scummy (post 368) I looked at the iso, and like, they really feel like scum to me

i already told you my ideal version of this game, we quickhammer ballpoint and i die overnight

?

this, in isolation, stood out to you as notably scummy? could you explain that?

yeah, explained above, quoting so you get the ping

[Andante]

i think your reasons for hating this game are alignment indicative

although this cephrir pushing nsg stuff feels odd, so ehh, not sure I want to vote there today

[Andante]

if you want to persuade me that you're town go do something other than defend yourself

cause all this feels like ceph is trying to push all this non game related talk? idk how I'd classify this, like, why not go push reads? challenge nsg's read on whoever, but these past like 10-20 posts, I'm skimming like "ehhh not a fan"

[Andante]

Since I think I should give my own opinion once in a while, I don't feel like scumreading nsg myself. Her explanations made sense to me so far, and if it's true that nsg really doesn't like playing as scum, then this doesn't seem to be the case. Or at least, I couldn't imagine writing as much as her if I hated this game. Of course people are very different in that regard and I'm not saying nsg can't be scum, I just think that the arguments used so far don't necessarily indicate scum. Anyways, that's why I'm voting Andante instead of nsg right now. I don't think bob's slot was particularly scummy, but neither towny, and since other people are voting there who I think are townish, I can't be too wrong with that vote, right? And I don't want to be a straggler, if enough people feel like ending this day I want to give them the opportunity to do so.

you don't sr nsg... for non game related stuff? like you say "and if it's true that nsg really doesn't like playing as scum, then this doesn't seem to be the case." what have you seen thus far that screams nsg is really happy to be here playing the game? like all the words with ceph, those were just whatever, not really related to this game in any way, like, if "all those words" were related to reads this game, sure whatever, but you're just declaring nsg town for this reason that doesn't make sense to actually tr anyone for.

"That's why you're voting andante instead" like what even? "bob wasn't scummy" WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING HERE


like, yes "give your own thoughts" we want that, but like, I'm reading this and it genuinely doesn't sound like you are trying to scumhunt. You are on my wagon simply because others are, not because you SR me. and you literally say you don't think this slot is scummy. SO WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME.

and then you proceed to say you tr nsg for all this personality talk or whatever, and that automatically makes nsg town since they hate being scum. like hello? nsg isn't actively scumhunting, people who love being town significantly more tend to... scumhunt.

honestly the more I think about this, Ethel is simply just scum like, "I don't think bob was scummy" is literally so after I flip green they can go "haha yeah didn't think they were scum"

like sorry not sorry, I wanna flip scum today, and if you want to flip town? I think that's like an actual scumslip here.
I'm never unvoting this,
VOTE: Ethel

[Andante]

ass wagon on andante

facts

[Andante]

if you want to persuade me that you're town go do something other than defend yourself

cause all this feels like ceph is trying to push all this non game related talk? idk how I'd classify this, like, why not go push reads? challenge nsg's read on whoever, but these past like 10-20 posts, I'm skimming like "ehhh not a fan"

...non game related? seems very game related to me

how do i challenge the reads of someone who barely has any

why are you trying this hard to find a scumread on me

I tried reading those nsg posts, but I was struggling to understand them, they just felt a lot more like just trying to discourage someone from making reads than "hey you have no reads, what are you thinking" and I had flashbacks to when people would get me going on a tangent and then I'd just be so out of the mood for making reads/caring.
I'm not "trying that hard to find a sr on you"
I'm playing a game with a table of lots of people I know, which I already struggle at reading, so I'm trying to see yall as town, and letting yall know where my concerns are

[Andante]

It's when a replacement enters the game and immediately comments on the scumminess of their slot

When you rep in do you not look at the top wagon? It's not my fault top wagon just so happened to be me, and like this is all you keep doing? rather than comment on anything else game related it's "get andante!!" but like you're not even voting me

VOTE: Not Mafia

look at it? sure. iso it? hmmmm. it is strange that NM didn't vote tho

like, ever since I showed up it's "OFF WITH ANDANTE'S HEAD CAUSE TELL"
and I'm just like, bruh... I literally always look at wagons, I don't think bob was scummy lol he had some posts I liked so yeah. idk I want ethel today. cause if ethel is actively trying to lim people they don't sr? yeah no thanks, I'm not doing lylo with them

[Andante]

ethel said your slot was neither towny nor scummy so she's null on you, not voting who she thinks is town

"I didn't think bob was scummy"
THEN WHAT ABOUT THAT MAKES ME THE BEST PERSON HERE TO VOTE???

[Andante]

I'm not misrepping lol like "I don't think X was scummy" then what makes you think they'll flip scum? we're 500 posts in, no one has done ANYTHING scummy to ethel?

[Andante]

whereas andante. I don't see as town right now or scummy

I mean fair, I haven't been around much lol and it's like, if people would just ignore me and find another wagon, let me do my thing, we'd be fine. but whatever, we want to vote me for 0 reason, knowing full well I SUCK under pressure, and if I'm ignored I can find scum/ actually make reads...

it's just freaking frustrating, like and I supposed to sit here like "the wagon on me is amazing!!! no one on it has a legit reason, one person literally went 'slot not scummy' wooo love this game!!"

like, I can only try so much.. I say the one literally saying I'm not scummy and voting, is scum, then I get told I'm misrepping.. like whatever.. class now!

[Andante]

she's saying you're null, not that you're town

you're saying "i'm never unvoting she's voting for someone she thinks is town"

unless i'm misunderstanding you?

I'm saying she said she doesn't think I'm scummy, yet made this whole point about how she's voting me, and has TERRIBLE reasoning for TRing nsg, so "andante slot aint scummy, but I'm voting them cause it's the best option" is like, that screams scum to me

[Andante]

you're not even reading her posts or mine

IM READING BOTH YALLS

[Andante]

ok gotta go for reals ahhh class now, I'll return later

[Andante]

also the VC was literally on the same page andante was in, it took 2 seconds to notice she was top wagon

mhmm top of the page too...

tbh I just wanna shit post this game, causeee yeah

[Andante]

honestly, if I shit post and random vote, I feel like my accuracy will go up, meanwhile I think 607's "i have convinced myself andante is town" means fire is scum laughing about how I'm their 4th member. the team is gonna be like fire/norwee/third and I'm missing the party ._.

[Andante]

the fact that I know 612 is probably 100% truth

[Andante]

fire, have we played a single game where we weren't scum together other than this game? lmaoo like, as I think about it, we've literally always been scum buddies XD

[Andante]

my memory is bad XD but I'm thinking back to the penguin one where it was all "haha we're scum" in thread and flashbacks hahahaha not that I wanna lim you d1 here, but yeah

[Andante]

If ur not trying to get a reado n me with that question and im overanalyzing it. Let me know

you are definitely overanalyzing it.

i don't understand why people are townreading cephrir beyond a bias towards townreading high activity slots.

who is townreading me? first ive heard of it. maybe std?

elpis has you at the top.

VOTE: andante

why are you voting andante?

probably cause I said she was scummy tbh

[Andante]

Anyway NM has said some stuff now but I don't super agree with it.

lol not to call you out specifically, but it's like I know I commented on it way earlier and only recently are people like "yeah it is bad"
feels good to be ignored tbh

[Andante]

Swap votes now bc u trust me to explain later anyway
source: trust me

Hmm....well you ARE the most townread person here I feel like.

VOTE: Ballpoint Pen

you "feel like"? do you agree with Marquis being town

[Andante]

I still don't know why Marquis is so town and at this point i'm afraid to ask.

NEVER BE AFRAID!

[Andante]

VOTE: ethel

oooh you've decided to join me?

[Andante]

I mean, I tried telling you ethel seemed scummy yesterday, then that turned into "ANDANTE LIES!!" or whatever lol

[Andante]

but it's ok, doesn't matter! we're on the same team right now

[Andante]

this game is feeling like everyone just waits 24 hours to agree with something I said lol it's wild

[Andante]

got it! ethel is town! do not vote ethel!

[Andante]

they've also gone back to doing nothing since this

yeah that's what gets me, like I read the "OMG BAD WAGON!!" stuff, and I'm just like, you're not really doing anything now that you aren't being wagoned, like when I get run up as one of the first wagons it's "get off!" but then I follow it up with essentially "I'm town, and I'm trying to find scum" since the wagon dissapeared, ballpoint just seems to be chilling

so let see what are my read currently:
ethel- scummy
nsg- scummy
not_mafia- scummy
ballpointpen- scummy

I want to say there was a 5th I called scum too, but I'm not sure I can see 3 of these being scum together hmm hang on

[Andante]

VOTE: bob

why the fuck was nobody but fire concerned about the fact that we basically quickhammered 2 days into the game
and why was bob more concerned about my alignment rather than the quickhammer itself

brian could most definitely be scum and i feel like my posts were just blatantly ignored from today, which is just great

i have no idea what the logistics are for putting someone at NM-hammer but if nsg just doesn't want to play then that's not something you should be exercising by voting an easy target
because that's clearly what im viewed as and that's a fucking dumb move

fuck this apathetic attitude that's hanging in the air
its killing the mood and is anti-town, a terrible combination

i already told you my ideal version of this game, we quickhammer ballpoint and i die overnight

Why do you want to quick hammer ball. If you want to end the day one quickly again why ball.

could one of you guys please vote ballpointpen so i can vote him to L-1 so NM can quickhammer him

VOTE: ballpointpen

NM YOU'RE UP

Why would you want him quick hammered when as far as i can tell you dont even have a read on him

i want this godawful day to end so 1) firebringer can shoot me and get me out of this game like he said he would and 2) i think that the game is in an active spiral of anti-content and i genuinely believe at this point that a wagon on ballpoint would probably be equal to if not better than whatever wagon this day ends up actually ending up on

So do you town read, scum read or neutral read ball

could one of you guys please vote ballpointpen so i can vote him to L-1 so NM can quickhammer him

VOTE: ballpointpen

NM YOU'RE UP

Why would you want him quick hammered when as far as i can tell you dont even have a read on him

why was your problem with nsg's read on me and not the fact that quickhammering there is actively anti-town
like it felt like you weren't at all actually concerned about the ramifications of me possibly flipping and more about trying to formulate some sort of accusation on nsg

where is "i'm obviously town" living here. i can't find it

also now that i look back on this, wtf is 382 upset about? there are at most two game related posts in his iso to this point, and one of them is reads without reasons so how would anyone not ignore it

I read these as just annoyed, like, they're not really ai, it's just, really annoyed at what's happening, but since I've been here, only thing ballpointpen has done has questioned me on how I found nsg scummy, and they never responded to my answer

[Andante]

i think we all know not doing anything isn't necessarily scummy unless someone wants to give a meta reason or personality read of why ballpoint not doing anything right now is actually telling.

townies can be lazy

I mean, if you ask me a question, I answer, then you just never say anything, like sure they haven't talked in thread since, but like why ask me a question if you genuinely don't care about the answer

[Andante]

nsg is making themselves unreadable, which is fine but also a wagon on them is a pretty lazy thought because of the latter fact
their early pop-ins were awkward but possibly just >randscum or even null based on their description of their meta

@andante what's so scummy about 368

cause this was 2 days ago, no word since

[Andante]

i have no idea what the logistics are for putting someone at NM-hammer but if nsg just doesn't want to play then that's not something you should be exercising by voting an easy target
because that's clearly what im viewed as and that's a fucking dumb move

fuck this apathetic attitude that's hanging in the air
its killing the mood and is anti-town, a terrible combination

right, yeah like ok easy target whatever, you know rvs is a thing, and yeah to me it's really feeling more like scum caught for bad reason, cause THAT is actually really frustrating, but to go from these posts to just not caring about the game? like, easy target whatever, but what are you doing to NOT be this easy target? idk, I felt like my sr on nsg's post was valid and ballpoint questioned me on something as simple as that, "to contribute" honestly, I'm down to yeet ballpoint, but they should be showing up soon so should wait for that

[Andante]

i mean, 383 expressly says "easy target" that isn't something i made up

haha I may have skimmed those posts, 383 is bad yeah

[Andante]

I'm getting some days off for Easter holiday later today so i'll try to get a better grip on the game then. Still not sure why Ballpoint is a wagon even.

he’s a wagon cause we think he’s mafia!
I’d move my vote there but after that recent post lmao I have no plans on moving it right now

[Andante]

when fber is SUPER DUPER TOWNIE thats when he is town got it

you think he’s SUPER TOWN right now?
SUPER TOWN cause of the meme post?

[Andante]

but she genuinely believes D1 is borderline random

then why give 2 reads with 1 being "nsg not scummy" and the other is "bob/andante haven't swayed me 1 way or the other, so slot is scum!" like, that's just flat out not even trying

[Andante]

ehh I want ballpoint to show up, and I'll go from there, since ballpoint basically hasn't been here the entirety of me being here. need to interrogate! I currently feel better about ethel

[Andante]

orrr flip them, they flip scum and we fight for the credit
"THAT WAS ALL ME"

[Andante]

MT hasn't done anything yet? I'm definitely interested in flipping that slot lol

[Andante]

I was hoping ballpoint would return, cause I had questions, basically why I was waiting, but now I'll never know ._.

[Andante]

sorry I haven't been super active lately yall, my dog has decided she ~doesn't want to drink water~ so its a fun thing to deal with!! should have answers tomorrow, uhh I haven't really gotten as much into this game as I initially planned, so yeah, fun stuff!! by the weekend I should be good though!!

[Andante]

so unless someone wants to change their stance at this point, maybe she should claim

Do you want me to claim? If you ask cutely I will!

Ehhh I'd say wait, don't do that yet, I'm definitely more interested in dealing with MT/ballpoint

[Andante]

i mean yes MT will come around and look townie either way, she's pretty good at it

but like, where is she?

[Andante]

Could I get a fasttrack as to why ballpoint is scum other than being indignant/angry for kind of no reason about not being heard. I can see that being read as awkward and contrived

i still need to see why I have so many "scum replacement is still scum replacement" sentiments!! That's when you have a slam dunk case, not circumstantial only!

Hey @Not_Mafia isn’t this the same reason I’m scum?

[Andante]

Is there something I don't know about NM and him just hammering everyone forever or something??

if someone is e-1 he's gonna instantly vote them and hammer

[Andante]

and uhh I'll probably be V/LA through Monday, kinda dealing with something major right now, I can try and check in, but we'll see, hoping for good news tomorrow, if it's bad you're not seeing me till probably monday

[Andante]

It's definitely feeling as though things have stagnated a bit in this day,

sorry, my bad, I thought my dog was dying (she refused to drink water) but then like it was a side effect of a drug, she's good now!!! but ehhh I have no solid reads so I am just a useless townie. For this game, yall can do the solving and I just tell you I'm town and sheep yall!

[Andante]

I could be a lot more active, but I don't really have solid reads so I don't feel like spamming this for those yall actually making reads

[Andante]

wait no, I think I had reads. sorry I forgot, uhhh it's been a week lol

[Andante]

they've also gone back to doing nothing since this

yeah that's what gets me, like I read the "OMG BAD WAGON!!" stuff, and I'm just like, you're not really doing anything now that you aren't being wagoned, like when I get run up as one of the first wagons it's "get off!" but then I follow it up with essentially "I'm town, and I'm trying to find scum" since the wagon dissapeared, ballpoint just seems to be chilling

so let see what are my read currently:
ethel- scummy
nsg- scummy
not_mafia- scummy
ballpointpen- scummy

I want to say there was a 5th I called scum too, but I'm not sure I can see 3 of these being scum together hmm hang on

MT seems really towny sooo ethel/nsg/not_mafia, hmmmmm

[Andante]

Could I get a fasttrack as to why ballpoint is scum other than being indignant/angry for kind of no reason about not being heard. I can see that being read as awkward and contrived

i still need to see why I have so many "scum replacement is still scum replacement" sentiments!! That's when you have a slam dunk case, not circumstantial only!

Hey @Not_Mafia isn’t this the same reason I’m scum?

A) No

B) I haven’t read any of ballpoint’s posts

WAIT I REMEMBER SEEING THIS. Like based on the definition of that tell NM gave, MT fit it perfectly.. it was all "ballpoint was scummy"

I say VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Andante]

we are off to a great start! go team!!!

[Andante]

VOTE: Ethel

[Andante]

ethel did it!
(not a claim)

[Andante]

(or is it a claim...)

[Andante]

friends? where are you

[Andante]

my confusion is with why yall yeeted enchant, but whatever, regroup!

[Andante]

ethel did it!

[Andante]

it's ok, new day! and I did not read anything I missed overnight, so I'm playing this like it's d1 here!

[Andante]

It's Ethel btw

I am voice for the dead!

[Andante]

i doubt everything and everyone

who was your top TR of d1 then? let's yeet them!!!

[Andante]

It's Ethel btw

I am voice for the dead!

ethel was the neighbour who was ignoring him btw

I do think its ethel (as scum)

ooh ethel was enchant's neighbor? I've never seen town neighbors... also I thought ethel was scummy d1!

also, I think enchant's role was so freaking cool, it was so enchant too!! I really wish he got to use it!!

[Andante]

i doubt everything and everyone

who was your top TR of d1 then? let's yeet them!!!

marquis, but ;_;

I mean... if you're realllly doubting everything... could just yeet Marquis, and then they flip an insane scum role, and.. lmaoooo jk, I'm good with ethel pressure for now, but that is an idea...

[Andante]

Enchant has been voted out of the game. He was a

Spoiler:

Town Night 1 and 2 Vigilante Neighbor

Night 1 will end in (expired on 2023-04-11 01:15:00). Get any night actions in before then!

Like, that role + Enchant... I saw that flip and literally went "I wish that could've been me to give enchant a chance to have fun with it" like damnnn, but oh well, can't change the past! we can yeet ethel though!

[Andante]

ethel maf! ethel maf! ethel maf!

[Andante]

I also would like to hear any theories about why morning tweet is dead

I have 1!!! You did it to only talk about MT today!

[Andante]

i was massively townread.
and i didn't die

which means im being pocketed by scum.

other option is you're scum and scum can't die...

[Andante]

My prediction for mafia team is Gimli+Ethan+Firebringer/Brian Skies have fun (or don't i am laughing now)

reminder this is the scum pool enchant was gonna shoot in.
anyone who comes back to me and tells me enchant was a bad yeet, I will refer to this post and remind u. This is the pool that Enchant was gonna shoot in.

I think her pool would've been different if she wasn't eliminated. That group consists of three players on her wagon and Ethel (who was not voting).

I mean, are you suggesting no scum were on that wagon? I feel like his team prediction was definitely reasonable.

[Andante]

I also want to reign in andante

rein me in? I can not be controlled/pocketed! I am freeeeee

[Andante]

andante is def townie af

what do you tr about me? cause this is feeling like you know I'm town and want me to just tr you, I did take note you were in Enchant's SRs... I have my eye on you... but first, Ethel maf!!

[Andante]

andante is def townie af

I can maybe get behind ceph being mafia powerwolfing with his friend, especially since ethel spent the entire d1 calling ceph scum

When did Ethel do this?

^^ I'm also curious cause I don't actually remember Ethel doing this once

[Andante]

i was massively townread.
and i didn't die

which means im being pocketed by scum.

other option is you're scum and scum can't die...

My teammates didn't night kill me to claim vigilante like i told them.
U got to help me kill them for not following my plan.

well vig is dead so anyone claiming that is getting auto yeeted! might wanna tell them that's a terrible plan

[Andante]

I also would like to hear any theories about why morning tweet is dead

I have 1!!! You did it to only talk about MT today!

Isn't that the complete opposite of what I would do if I wanted to only talk about MT today

ehh you've had a lot of MT talk and not really a lot of anything else thus far tbh

[Andante]

I also want to reign in andante

rein me in? I can not be controlled/pocketed! I am freeeeee

idk i think if i yell at u enough u will take some chill pills eventually

what's a chill pill?

[Andante]

i think scum are in a good position right now.

no really? we have 2 dead PRs... lmao

[Andante]

classic scum neighbor is in play here pretty likely

neighbor is 1000% scum, I've never seen 2 town neighbors, and when I was neighbors with other fire I had this same logic... but then decided "nahh it's finally 2 town" then town lost. and if ethel is actually enchant's neighbor as people have said? lol yeah ethel def scum!!!

[Andante]

VOTE: Cephrir
Bet you didn't expect that!

right... the only time that happened was rvs?? what are you talking about gimli

[Andante]

Since it's so quiet here's some real culture for you M'uricans.

Hey, vi er ikke alle Amerikansk!

Alle utenom verdens navle Trøndelag er Amerikansk!

Aw, selv de i Nordland?

I would say, spent the day caring more about talking in another language lol

[Andante]

Ah, but my esteemed lady, surely a pure heart shines all the more brightly.

If you speak true to me, my dear
And darkness once obscured the truth
Of your pure heart - then I do fear

For if the evil taint of scum
That lessened your delightful charm
By now is well and truly gone -
Your radiance might cause me harm!

how did I miss the poem lmao wtf is this iso?? I was only focused on the bob/andante stuff

[Andante]

VOTE: ethel
VOTE: ethel

can I be a double voter plz

[Andante]

ok well, I'm tired, probably don't get ethel past e-2 while I'm gone, but this is my best idea for where to go right now, unless ceph decides to scumcase his TR then I might consider it hahhahahaha (it'll take a lot to get me off ethel)

[Andante]

also, for those of you who are taking neighbor as AI i have two comments
1. it's not and you're wrong for thinking like that (this is a blanket disclaimer i have to give anytime someone tries this line of reasoning)
but also
2. std and norwe are probably also neighbors so you might wanna factor that in

I think it's mostly just me, and it's like, that's not the only thing I SR about ethel, ethel was a SR of mine day 1, enchant's dying words were "ethel is maf" and I told yall I was just gonna play this similarly to day 1 in a game to get my reads right, so I have absolutely no issue throwing pressure on ethel right now to see what happens

[Andante]

weird there were these doglike voices in my head but now it's just me

my voice is in your head? at all hours of the day?? not sure if that's great... or AMAZING!!! WOOOOOOO!!

[Andante]

i can be the dog voice in ur head

no! I call it!!

[Andante]

Also, in my two games so far it seems that just calling someone scum long enough gets you townread, but... why? Sure, I get that mafia probably wouldn't want to attract too much attention, but if this has been established as a reason for people to get townread then it's precisely what I'd do as mafia too.

I know you're referring to me lmao, hi I'm andante nice to meet you! no one wants to read my walls of text so I simplify it, and when I'm CONFIDENT it's just a full on tunnel tbh and I'll probably stay focussed on you as long as you keep posting like this lmao like, if you're town, just work on either showing me how you're town, or find someone else who looks like a better option, but at the moment, you're definitely looking like the best option to me right now

[Andante]

it's not like I don't give reasons, I definitely do. not my fault yall ignore, thus "ETHEL MAF ETHEL MAF!!" gets the point across

[Andante]

So we lost two power roles which obviously sucks ass, and I genuinely really wanted to see more from MT, so I'm actually pretty upset about that. I wish enchant had given a better entrance so we would've voted someone else instead of rolling more into that one.

lets be real, I don't think there's anything enchant could have done for yall to not yeet him, cause like he repped in and then that wagon just took off lol

[Andante]

like ceph ur doing exactly what scum me would do at start of day.
act confused on the flips.
tell everyone to calm down not rush anything
and have an air of defeated about u.

U need to stop because scum u is much better than scum me. These are weak scum plays if ur scum. I know u can do better if ur scum

I am genuinely highly confident cephy is not scum, I do not think he would be so expressive of his defeat if he was scum because he'd probably not do something so expressive, and would instead try to appear proactive and contributory. That's my current thoughts at least

you're CONFIDENT ceph isn't scum? I can't recall a single past game he has played like this, idk, he was fine till d2 here, d2 I'm just like "what are you doing?" cause it feels like he's gonna use this "I feel defeated" mindset as an excuse to not do much here. I don't get your high confidence in this, especially after you were just on the enchant wagon. was that a high confidence scum read?

[Andante]

on top of like tmi'ing hard on nsg slot

Does anyone have a good expression of what TMI'ing is? I see it often but I want to understand what it means fully here/why it seems to have negative connotation.

Like, if I'm scum and I know you're town, and everyone else is SRing you, I can make up some garbage reason for "why you're town" since I'd have TMI (Too much information) like the cause on why you're town doesn't even have to be strong, you'd be like "I am town, Andante TRs me!!" and be more likely to tr me.
This almost always comes up with bad reasons people TR others, which for me right now is your Cephrir read. Cause I don't see this super obvious town!cephrir, but if you're scum, you're probably TMIing him as town - there's your actual example for this game

[Andante]

Andante, you need to sell me on Ethel, because I just don't see it.

how about you sell me on town!ethel? cause you realize 2 other people here are voting with me, which means I might not be so crazy on this read, but I'm the only one you wanna question?

[Andante]

So we lost two power roles which obviously sucks ass, and I genuinely really wanted to see more from MT, so I'm actually pretty upset about that. I wish enchant had given a better entrance so we would've voted someone else instead of rolling more into that one.

PR’s are for wusses. Solve the game with pure brain energy. That’s how mafia should be played x)

brain energy for days!!!

[Andante]

I of course, don’t know much about neighbours

well, they tend to be the people who live next to you, and if you need someone to watch your dog for a day, they're a good option to ask!!

[Andante]

here's my readslist

the bigger you are the townier you are

Brian Skies

Andante

Marquis
Not_Mafia

Gimli

Cephrir

Ethel

Elpis

Save The Dragons

NorwegianboyEE

Firebringer

I am BIG!!!

[Andante]

like ceph ur doing exactly what scum me would do at start of day.
act confused on the flips.
tell everyone to calm down not rush anything
and have an air of defeated about u.

U need to stop because scum u is much better than scum me. These are weak scum plays if ur scum. I know u can do better if ur scum

I am genuinely highly confident cephy is not scum, I do not think he would be so expressive of his defeat if he was scum because he'd probably not do something so expressive, and would instead try to appear proactive and contributory. That's my current thoughts at least

you're CONFIDENT ceph isn't scum? I can't recall a single past game he has played like this, idk, he was fine till d2 here, d2 I'm just like "what are you doing?" cause it feels like he's gonna use this "I feel defeated" mindset as an excuse to not do much here. I don't get your high confidence in this, especially after you were just on the enchant wagon. was that a high confidence scum read?

you say this but i feel like i just got over it and did plenty so how am i using it as an excuse to not do anything

also if you think im acting differently isnt that like... a good thing given that im always scum

lol yeah I was like, I need to look back and see what you were cause I'm always town, I rarely remember scum teams I'm not on XD

[Andante]

Well for one, I don't think we've interacted much

meh I'm not a huge fan of your day 2 lol but your recent posts are getting better

you're the one leading this charge loudly

I don't see anyone else doing it, and as I said, this is my d1, I want to put pressure on this sr of mine and see what happens?

[Andante]

Ethel seems extremely genuine in their answers

Ethel literally said day 1 they didn't think I was scum and voted me...

[Andante]

I genuinely want your thoughts, and your take here.

I've definitely been giving them...

[Andante]

Please give me a reason I should vote her, perhaps multiple, even, and i'll certainly listen.

it's the start of d2, do as you want, I'm not saying you have to vote here, in fact we can only have a max of 1 more person vote before NM yeets ethel so like, I'm not reallying asking for people to vote? now it's just "figure out partners"

[Andante]

I can accept pressure as being valid, but maintaining it after the response she gave doesn't feel terribly necessary when others could be pressured into more expression. Namely, StD, Brianskies, Norwe, or NM

you really think NM can be pressured into doing anything? he'll probably self hammer if we throw him on e-1. ethel had like no pressure day 1, so I want it here

[Andante]

and 12 hours of pressure? nah not enough, I don't TR anything ethel has said here to be like "nah she town"

[Andante]

Also, in my two games so far it seems that just calling someone scum long enough gets you townread, but... why? Sure, I get that mafia probably wouldn't want to attract too much attention, but if this has been established as a reason for people to get townread then it's precisely what I'd do as mafia too.

like this? as a resonse to my "ETHEL MAF ETHEL MAF ETHEL MAF"?? not towny in the slightest, like call me out on it!!! not make this general statement trying to avoid more pressure from me?

[Andante]

Please give me a reason I should vote her, perhaps multiple, even, and i'll certainly listen.

it's the start of d2, do as you want, I'm not saying you have to vote here, in fact we can only have a max of 1 more person vote before NM yeets ethel so like, I'm not reallying asking for people to vote? now it's just "figure out partners"

Okay, well I liked hearing this from you, thank you. I can respect the vote being about pressure rather than a desire for a full hammer

I literally said last night to not get ethel voted out. so if ethel is town, ceph is town, I think you tr me, or at least not a sr, who is scum?

[Andante]

I can accept pressure as being valid, but maintaining it after the response she gave doesn't feel terribly necessary when others could be pressured into more expression. Namely, StD, Brianskies, Norwe, or NM

you really think NM can be pressured into doing anything? he'll probably self hammer if we throw him on e-1. ethel had like no pressure day 1, so I want it here

Lol okay maybe NM is more volatile than even I can anticipate then, wow

lol have you never played maf with him before?

[Andante]

Also, in my two games so far it seems that just calling someone scum long enough gets you townread, but... why? Sure, I get that mafia probably wouldn't want to attract too much attention, but if this has been established as a reason for people to get townread then it's precisely what I'd do as mafia too.

like this? as a resonse to my "ETHEL MAF ETHEL MAF ETHEL MAF"?? not towny in the slightest, like call me out on it!!! not make this general statement trying to avoid more pressure from me?

I believe this is actually her way of calling you out on it, if I had to guess. She's new, and likely a more timid individual, so if I had to guess, this is her nonaggressive, analysis way of basically saying, "I think this is bullshit, and doesn't really seem like it should represent town"

I feel like she's had no issue calling me on anything else, like this almost feels like an attempt to just get people to go "yeah that's scummy af! get andante!!" rather than just talking to me about it, also she acts like it's a surprise, like bruh, I scumread you day 1... those reasons haven't gone away

[Andante]

I can accept pressure as being valid, but maintaining it after the response she gave doesn't feel terribly necessary when others could be pressured into more expression. Namely, StD, Brianskies, Norwe, or NM

you really think NM can be pressured into doing anything? he'll probably self hammer if we throw him on e-1. ethel had like no pressure day 1, so I want it here

Lol okay maybe NM is more volatile than even I can anticipate then, wow

lol have you never played maf with him before?

Andante that game we played before was my first game. This is my second one, lmao

OH SNAP lol I didn't realize you were so new!! you're doing great!! lol

[Andante]

Please give me a reason I should vote her, perhaps multiple, even, and i'll certainly listen.

it's the start of d2, do as you want, I'm not saying you have to vote here, in fact we can only have a max of 1 more person vote before NM yeets ethel so like, I'm not reallying asking for people to vote? now it's just "figure out partners"

Okay, well I liked hearing this from you, thank you. I can respect the vote being about pressure rather than a desire for a full hammer

I literally said last night to not get ethel voted out. so if ethel is town, ceph is town, I think you tr me, or at least not a sr, who is scum?

If I TR the people mentioned, I think that anyone from the pool of Brianskies, Gimli, Fire (less likely), StD, and Norwe are scum. I still don't FULLY trust you, but you're engaging with me on this, and I think that's at least a good sign.

oooh a fire scumread? SPICYYY I like you. hahahah we got this!! We can turn this bad luck around! together!!!!

[Andante]

I'm more interested in seeing how elpis goes from here with those SRs cause he's just been shooting down SRs left and right so if my "case on ethel" is bad, I can't wait to see a good case on like Fire, or even a case on dragons, cause he's voting dragons, but seemed more interested in talking with me about ethel than showing me how dragons is scum

[Andante]

Save The Dragons [2]: Cephrir [1091], Elpis [1113]

unless this is like a "I TR Ceph, I Sheep Ceph" kinda thing? but ehhh

[Andante]

Andante i can’t keep up with ur posts.

zoom zoom. I am speeeed

[Andante]

i will give hot takes later today

any spicy?

[Andante]

nah ethel is still scum!

[Andante]

it... is looking like that yes.. but we can turn it around with a scum flip!!

[Andante]

i dunno if there's scum motivation for me doing what i'm doing

that feels like something scum would say... sus. lol jk, ethel is scum and I'm staying here and suggest others join me!

[Andante]

and someone killed MT out of clout

She did have a colorful name! Lots of clout!

[Andante]

maybe ceph wanted to be the only colorful name... ceph... I'm on to you!!!

[Andante]

jk, I'm honestly so locked on to ethel being scum it aint funny, I know some yall are saying she's town, I don't see it, plus, literally neighbors. sorry not sorry. I refuse to believe ethel is a town neighbor, and like, why just choose to not use that pt/care about that pt?? nah. scum!

[Andante]

tbf neighbor pts probably aren't used as much as mason pts because sometimes it's not worth talking to someone you think could be scum

I had a 2500 post neighbor PT... tyvm... it was well used!

[Andante]

too many people are kind of letting andante run wild.
Need some town leaders and i don't nominate myself.

If ceph is town i want him to lead this day.
if he is scum, then he can continue just side commenting and shit that i feel he is doing.

I can be town leader!!! My first motion as leader is to lim ethel!!

[Andante]

bruhhh I’d make an amazing leader XD

[Andante]

I bring the ~spice~

speaking of, Fire, where’s the spicy takes you promised? I see no spice!!!

[Andante]

Andante squarely in Null for the moment.

yo. HOW??? I'm null yet you have ceph and fire as confident town?
VOTE: elpis

ethel lives another day...

[Andante]

I am hedging on a few people because I am not confident

not saying you have to have perfect reads here, but like, have you tried just live interacting with people? you have these confident TRs, where's your interest in where their head is at?
Elpis, how much experience do you have with mafia?

[Andante]

Andante squarely in Null for the moment.

yo. HOW??? I'm null yet you have ceph and fire as confident town?
VOTE: elpis

ethel lives another day...

Why does my read on you being confusing and hard to read immediately draw your aggro?

cause you should either have me as town or scum fairly confidently, especially when you're over there like "ceph for sure town!!" for the exact stuff that's making me question if ceph is town

[Andante]

Can we get a chill pill for andante

nah, I'm on to something, this person won't call me town, or scum, yet ceph gets to be town for the scummy posts? bruhhh no not fair

[Andante]

Who says i'm not interested in where their head is at?

I say that! cause that's how it looks

[Andante]

well I'm town, and I feel like I'm town af, all yall are like "yes I see it" and I'm like, ok, elpis don't see it??
waiiiiitttt that might make elpis town... scum thinks I'm pocketable...

ETHEL SCUM! BACK TO ETHEL
VOTE: Ethel

[Andante]

I absolutely SHOULDN'T, because your last game you flew in acting like a powerwolf and you got voted out despite being town,

lmaoooo ok sorry friend I kinda like this description of my playstyle XD
"came in like a poweerrrrr woollllfff"
(sung to the tune of wrecking ball)

[Andante]

ethel is def scum

[Andante]

axtually since if this is wrong, we can afford it now, I kinda want to VOTE: not_mafia

[Andante]

this a good compromise for you fire?

[Andante]

u know at this point andante the mod could come in and announce ethel is scum and i wouldn't vote for ethel because ur being annoying.

pshhh how is me scumhunting being annoying? I'm so confident in this read it aint even funny... actually don't answer that first part, you'll see soon enough ethel is scum.. that or you already know and are chilling with ethel in scumchat

[Andante]

well I'm town, and I feel like I'm town af, all yall are like "yes I see it" and I'm like, ok, elpis don't see it??
waiiiiitttt that might make elpis town... scum thinks I'm pocketable...

ETHEL SCUM! BACK TO ETHEL
VOTE: Ethel

I just think you're volatile, and make snap quick decisions with great confidence that town usually can be comfortable enough following, but I don't trust your judgement on your choices so quickly, nor do I trust you.

nice nice, did you see earlier, fire said he wanted me to be town leader and that idea got support? ANDANTE IN CHARGE!!

[Andante]

im not interested in a compromise right now andante.
We don't need to go at hyper speed.

If you think ethel is scum vote ethel, but if ur going to want people to join u, especially those of us are hard townreading ethel.
Ur going to need better than "ethel is scum". And just repeating this over and over will not move anyone.

yes yes, I don't think I can get anyone to vote ethel, so what about a not_mafia lim instead for today? I can't get a read on him, and I can't remember anything about how to read him. yall were saying he TMId nsg. I say, he had that stupid push on me the second I came in, yet I would argue MT did that same tell "worse" but he said it wasn't the same.. yooo FIRE!! WE MIGHT HAVE A CASE HERE!!! PUTTING OUR BRAINS TOGETHER. WE A GENIUS

[Andante]

Well my reads are posted, so where are yours?

I don't think anyone wants the mind of Andante written down. I'm sharing the important parts with yall, plus even if I did, I guarantee they change in 5 minutes lol

[Andante]

u know at this point andante the mod could come in and announce ethel is scum and i wouldn't vote for ethel because ur being annoying.

pshhh how is me scumhunting being annoying? I'm so confident in this read it aint even funny... actually don't answer that first part, you'll see soon enough ethel is scum.. that or you already know and are chilling with ethel in scumchat

yes, we are talking about you right now in fact.
Talkin about how ur never gonna catch us and that we have all the candy and u can't have any of it.

We also doing story PT. TOO BAD U CANT JOIN US

You know, when you told Penguin this.... and we were actually doing it, I laughed. It's not so funny being on this side of it ._.

[Andante]

Andante, what's your read on Gimli?

Good question. Unkown at this moment in time, I have 2 solid scum candidates and I want them flipped! then I can think

[Andante]

im not interested in a compromise right now andante.
We don't need to go at hyper speed.

If you think ethel is scum vote ethel, but if ur going to want people to join u, especially those of us are hard townreading ethel.
Ur going to need better than "ethel is scum". And just repeating this over and over will not move anyone.

yes yes, I don't think I can get anyone to vote ethel, so what about a not_mafia lim instead for today? I can't get a read on him, and I can't remember anything about how to read him. yall were saying he TMId nsg. I say, he had that stupid push on me the second I came in, yet I would argue MT did that same tell "worse" but he said it wasn't the same.. yooo FIRE!! WE MIGHT HAVE A CASE HERE!!! PUTTING OUR BRAINS TOGETHER. WE A GENIUS

i hope this isn't a serious post

dead serious

[Andante]

all u did was fake tunnel people and thats what it looks like u could be doing here.

bruh.. what about my pushes have been fake?

[Andante]

Not saying ur scum but i want to see u have more thoughts on other players

uhhh no can do for now, this week be crazyyy thus, I'm sticking to my SRs! like I have no reason to tr them, why do I need more reads

[Andante]

all u did was fake tunnel people and thats what it looks like u could be doing here.

bruh.. what about my pushes have been fake?

I DONT SEE ANY SUBSTANCE TO ANY OF UR PUSHES

YOU IGNORE THE SUBSTANCE

[Andante]

I HAVE PLENTY OF SUBSTANCE!!
Wanna show me where the substance was to "enchant repped in, must auto yeet enchant!"

[Andante]

Brian is IC
Andante is Leader

We got this game in the bag!

[Andante]

oh yeah! the neighbor thing! there aint no way we have 2 town neighbors in this

[Andante]

until someone can show me an example of a normal game where all neighbors were town, I'm not dropping this thought
VOTE: ethel

[Andante]

I vote Andante as leader

WOOOOOOOOO
Ty for your support!

[Andante]

I feel like Fire and Elpis are sitting at the adult table doing adult things, talking about important business, and I'm like that kid going "HEY LOOK!!! I DREW A UNICORN!!!" (I could draw an awesome unicorn tbh...)

hahaha maybe that's a sign I should get back to work... but like, I'm honestly having fun!!! Probably do need to make a readslist to see where everyone stands, but mehhh got a poster to make first... wooo ok yeah, see yall tomorrow

[Andante]

I like ethel!!!
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Andante]

idk if town, but the poem? that's so cool!!!

[Andante]

more effort than I would put into giving my reads, that's for sure

[Andante]

but like, I prefer actual reasoning next to the name... but mehhh

[Andante]

i guess i can buy you believe this.
maybe.

probably.
idk still feels like ur trying to break up my townreads on norwee/brian. Which isn't working.
if ur town here ur doing a terribad job of convincing me i shouldn't trust them.

It's working on me

but u don't trust anyone not named andante and ethel

maybe that’s a sign andante should be leader

[Andante]

I think we have 2 scum in fire/norwee/brian lol like yes there’s all these jokes, but when fire and I were just scum together, it was nonstop jokes about being scum with me/being scum in general, I get the same vibes with this trio, but I don’t actually think it’s all 3 of them, but 2 sounds about right based on how they interact… question is, who’s the town in that

[Andante]

I like ethel!!!
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Also i laughed at this.
Ur reads are super unreliable and you change your mind for seemingly nonsensical reasons.
I think you’re likely town but heck i would be scared if you were responsible for watering a cactus… let alone being a town leader…

LMAOOOOO norwee lock town

[Andante]

VOTE: brian

[Andante]

WHY ARE THERE 2 HOODS… AND IM IN NEITHER HOOD

[Andante]

THIS GAME IS NOT FAIR

[Andante]

VOTE: Ethel
if I can have a neighbor, I can at least take down a hood!!

I can sheep gimli tomorrow

[Andante]

taking down hoods can’t wait

[Andante]

(but for real I do still think ethel scum, even if she wrote nice poems)
like, where are any of the posts with engagement? most are just giant walls of “here’s my thoughts on x” feels way too formal

[Andante]

Gimli [2]: NorwegianboyEE [1248], Brian Skies [1309]

VOTE: Gimli

there has to be scum on my wagon

i mean haven’t you been calling norwee/brian scum cause they killed mt for reading ability? their votes make sense.. and NM joins and now you’re concerned? wouldn’t you rather be voted by NM rather than have someone throw you on e-1… THEN NM hammers?
tldr:I don’t like this post

[Andante]

also uhh this weekend is race weekend (half marathon sunday!!!!) so you probably won’t get much from me till monday (or maybe some tomorrow if I get on my laptop)

[Andante]

idk what's happening this game

[Andante]

yall voting dragons cause neighbors? I'm telling you ethel is scum

[Andante]

VOTE: Ethel

[Andante]

I also don't really love Brian's hammer of NM there, idk I tried thinking about it, but since NM flipped goon it's like, he was so easy to bus for towncred, not like he even did anything, but other than me being slightly sus of brian's hammer, I have no takeaways from that, thus, I'll go back to my ethel sr and probably just stay out of the way cause idk

[Andante]

i plan on reading back in an attempt to find interactions but they'll probably be scarce

any time I read back it's just "idk what I'm looking for"

[Andante]

not mafia i am divided on voting u out for ruling against me in my court case and asking u to sheep me.
what would smash mouth do

Your mum

Ah yes, NM interactions!!! lol

[Andante]

I believe in my ethel SR!!!

[Andante]

Why did NM call out the ami...amish...ami...the tell and then not vote Andante

I do kind of feel that's unaligned but still a little weird he didn't vote there

I mean, if you wanna ask him, we can send you to dead chat! I never understand what NM does

[Andante]

ehhh I don't feel like learning the ways of NM's methods lol not enough brainpower here

[Andante]

VOTE: Brian

his fluff isn't even particularly inspired. i think he was pocketing me/hiding behind me on the ballpoint push? and i didn't like these posts

so I think we should give MT a day
and I think ethel is a much more likely slot to flip scum than bbp was

No. Scum replacements are still scum

Ceph If you feel so strong about Ethel being town we can go elsewhere

UNVOTE:

I'll read it up later

It's more that I really feel good about ballpoint being scum

I'm in a fair bit of agreement with Cephir here.

I suppose we can see what MT has to say, since she's already posting as I type this. Although the alternative, Ethel, seems to be a wagon based on playstyle difference?

I don't believe I've ever seen a psychologist before.

Anyhow, two of my scumreads flipped town. So I guess I'm sheeping for now.

VOTE: Ethel

I feel Elpis is scum but i can't articulate at this minute.
I think the tone of his posts is kind of fuckery (as in it feels monotone and hard for me to figure out) and his explanation of why ceph couldn't be scum felt like a scum arguing for townie to me.

I've gotten the same feeling from Elpis' posts. It's like, he's never played a game with Cephrir (at least on this site), but he acts like he knows everything a town Ceph would or wouldn't do. It feels like he's spewing TMI and I do think it's possible he could be trying to buddy Cephrir.

gives up too quickly on ethel townread when voting her was popular & discrediting elpis' ability to read me because it doesn't work with his agenda?

OOOH my hunch on Brian being the final nm vote and not saying anything might be right ?

[Andante]

ooooh Dragons versus Ceph!! scary... ok, I'll see yall tomorrow!!! I'll take my "noise" elsewhere XD

[Andante]

Well, this makes me feel better about Gimli, and I agree with Ceph's suspicion about Brian. The way he votes just feels kinda... opportunistic. It's probably unlikely that three scum are the only people voting someone at the same time so that would make Norwegianboy more towny, which means that StD is currently the most likely third scum for me. I feel better about Brian right now though, so VOTE: Brian Skies

My response to that was exactly “I also want to vote Brian with you” as well.. hahahaha maybe you’re town? I still am lost with where scum is.. I need to dig through ISOs and rank yall most town to least town tbh
UNVOTE:

but that’s not a right now thing, it’s 7am lol

I will say Brian was the one who helped me most when I repped in though with understanding the bpp wagon that almost happened so I need to look back and see

[Andante]

VOTE: no lim

[Andante]

I think it's norwee and gimli, but no lim seems like the move here also, actually
UNVOTE:
we NEED to hear from Marquis, I'm not doing these speed days with someone not talking

[Andante]

I don't like how norwee entered the day here, like, ok I get it, I was tunneled on ethel, and even norwee was making the "there must be scum in neighbors case" but then, 2 neighbors flip and norwee just goes "THAT LOOKS BAD!!" like implying only the neighbors flipping is a bad look, and not the fact we speed limmed NM then Brian pretty much both before MArquis could talk, like, 2 days in a row yall didn't let someone get a word in, what if marquis had red checks?

[Andante]

(also why I realized I can't vote cause then that technically puts no lim on e-1 and we end day without talking)

we need to slow down, especially cause we don't have mislims anymore

[Andante]

intent

brian you can claim

Like, it was all so rushed with the brian lim... I understand I was leaning that way too, but day just started, why are we declaring intent BEFORE we talk. again, just trying to end the day before marquis had a chance to show up...

[Andante]

I want to be nightkilled so i don’t need to take responsibility for the loss but i know scum is never going to kill me if we no lim here and that sucks.

can we talk about who you think scum is other than this "IT'S NOT MEEEEE" mindset

[Andante]

I guess we can talk even though it's kind of suboptimal today

I'm not too happy with gimli's shitty hammer

I mean, I'm just saying, 2 full days without marquis getting to talk, I'm not trying to make it a 3rd... so optimal or not, Marquis likely signed up to actually play mafia

[Andante]

Is it you?

Are you going to make any attempt here or just here for lols? What are your thoughts on Gimli?

[Andante]

I think it’s pretty clear i gave up a long time ago.
Like scum is prob Gimli and Marquis would be my guess? But i’m getting voted anyway so why would i care.

I mean, I SR gimli for gameplay, you it's more of "no way all neighbors are town" plus a little of how you were also taking that angle like "ethel and dragons aren't both town cause role" I probably would vote gimli over you. I'm interested in more of your marquis read though

[Andante]

like, if I'm wrong in norwee/gimli, I think it would be ceph to take their place, but Norwee is trying to push for marquis scum over ceph?

[Andante]

We are not eliminating anyone just because they're a neighbor

nah we're eliminating the neighbor because the neighbor was literally trying to lim ethel/dragons...

[Andante]

4 neighbours in this game. We already know it’s
? - T
? - ?

From my POV it’s
? - T
? - T

I townread Ethel so that leaves:

T? - T
? - T

So this is very setup spec ish. But i think there HAS to be at least 1 scum in the 4 beighbours, and in that case it can only be Ethel or StD, and since i’m townleaning Ethel that strongly points to StD. So i would be totally ok with an StD lim as well.

[Andante]

1500 feels like norwee was trying to mislim dragons, then use me to lim ethel? like idk, I'm not loving anything norwee has even done this game

[Andante]

VOTE: Brian
I'm so bored of this game i'm totally ok with limming in the PoE that's got me in it.

[Andante]

but then I also SR gimli a bunch. maybe... I just have the solve!!!

[Andante]

It’s more just a vibe that i think scum are the slots that didn’t do much in this game. N_M flip honestly killed me on the inside. It’s so shit when the scum are slots that just are… there.

so you've been thinking scum aren't doing anything, but by voting brian yesterday, you were fine with day ending before marquis did anything, and now marquis is scum for not being here the 6 hours after daystart?

[Andante]

We are not eliminating anyone just because they're a neighbor

nah we're eliminating the neighbor because the neighbor was literally trying to lim ethel/dragons...

So what. You honestly wouldn’t think scum wouldn’t be in neighbours if you were town in my situation? You’d just freaking expect that Radiantcowbells planted 4 town neighbours? He owned us with his setup. Made us look like idiots. And the final cherry on the cake will be when you inevitably paranoia vote me and scum double votes and game ends in fucking final town neighbour flip.

I mean yeah if I was town neighbor, final neighbor alive, I'd know no scum neighbors, but I'm just saying I literally don't see anyting from you that points toward you being town, like now you don't seem to care at all. I have a major issue with the SR on marquis for doing nothing, but it's not like you've tried to get marquis to do anything, looking back, I see you were voting gimli eod instead of not mafia... hmm if my final solve is you + gimli... one sec I need to look at this