Mini Normal 2304: Conway's Game Of Life [GAME OVER!]

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VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

eating people is wolf behavior

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hi bob I think we played together a while back as wolves when I was much worse and u were p fun

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off the first page

random nurse's aggression is probably villager

I think owl start is slightly more likely wolf.

hi hello

why

do we have a wagon forming this early

Do you think page 1 *wagons* are serious?

What I do wonder is why you appear concerned for humaneatingmonkey.

the man-eater is fine. it is odd to see a wagon form on page one though, and particularly odd that you took that so personally so quickly. why is your immediate response an attempt to discredit me and then deflect my point by misinterpreting it?

this post felt a bit weirdly strong for me. idk, it's just worded more like defending a townread than defending a mechanical POV.
"discredit me"
"deflect my point by misinterpreting it"
didnt feel warranted just to defend the point of "there shouldn't be a 3-vote wagon"; feels more like trying to look good for defending someone, in the area of whiteknighting/pocketing

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just in terms of theory

early 3+ vote wagons are very good and I tend to find people who hop on to the wagon later + make it even bigger to be town

because the purpose of RVS is to get people to respond/react meaningfully to your votes. they won't do that if it's just 1 but theyre more likely to respond to a wagon which gets the game going

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Im not sure scum would try to move the game so quickly. My gut is owl action far more likley come from town than scum

my idea is that scum would probably be eager to get towncred early game, and night owl seemed more like a performance of what town should be doing rather than an organic reaction to the situation.

towny thought VOTE: Quiet Owl

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forum mafia so easy

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We use Elimination or Lim @Espeonage.

"yeet" >

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hu tao where was the lining up

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oh wait yeah meh I found it, HEM calls espeonage a potential partner to owl

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can u explain those more? I think theyre weird

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ok I like those a lot actually I think

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yeah hope ur situation gets better soon Bellaphant

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peregrine how much mafia experience do you have

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also have you ever played with Arapocalypse

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peregrine how much mafia experience do you have

same question to quiet owl I think

VOTE: bob3141

science

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I disagree about the setting up lims thing. idk, it's probably not scummy of you, but I think "at least one mafia in these people" or "these ppl could be partners" is like insanely ridiculously common in early pages. for a lot of people it's just how they express reads, + if anything it's towny to me just for having complex thoughts lol. like you said, it's like page 5 and everything is based off of so little, no one actually thinks theyre setting up multiple lims in practicality

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for the HEM instance.. doesnt quiet owl or espeonage need to be mafia in order for "quiet owl and espeonage look like partners" to be setting up lims? lmao

I dont get how "setting up lims" even makes sense as a thought about a w/w read. without tmi

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VOTE: espeonage

I feel like bob overly responding to / addressing the votes on him on this page is towny cuz scum would be too self-conscious about it lol. like writing that many paragraphs concerning your two voters is almost "too scummy to be scum". scum would avoid

I agree that drew's vote was bum but drew is still probably town. "let me go take a look, hmmm, ok I'll sheep you" is +town

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I like peregrine as town

I agree that I am not into quiet owl recent posting. mainly I dont like calling hu/bob v/v here, even if I can totally see it being v/v. it's a generally wolfy assertion to make unless something is like really blazingly obvious v/v (I do not think this is)

in this case being informed is the scumtell because scum would be informed on who's town and who isn't. would you disagree?
is there anything you want dr drew to engage on that makes you feel like he's missing opportunities to give his thoughts on?

oh i agree, it just strikes me as a bizarre way of phrasing it. suppose i could go look at past games he's played to see if that's how he usually speaks.

this moment also just strikes me as particularly wolf

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what makes me bad town here

I think ive contributed relatively substantially

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not that I want to hear depreciation of my play

I just do not really buy your thoughts

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i feel like town sheep is more present

I think this is factually incorrect

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idk I dont have much to add

I think HEM is pushing espeonage for basically the exact things im thinking (makes her pretty confident town for me blah blah) but also means I prob havent talked about it as much I should have

I just do not buy many of his takes idk. calling me bad town did feel like an attempt to discredit his wagon because I think it just makes no sense as an assertion from everyone's posts this game objectively. the original HEM take felt weird when I thought he himself was trying to establish himself as a leadery person. etc, bunch of thoughts here and there ping me

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I +1 that random nurse catchup was villagery. when I read it more deeply I liked it less but I still think they are just villager

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random nurse's aggression is probably villager

What makes you think that's aggression?

idk, you made things immediately very serious on literally the first page in a way I think comes very much mainly from town. it's aggressive in terms of jumping the gun on serious content and in terms of toward quiet owl, putting him under fire that he doesnt want to be in and I think both are things wolves wouldnt do there

I think owl start is slightly more likely wolf.

OK, but why exactly?

I talked about this in the same post right under the line you quoted

what makes me bad town here

I think ive contributed relatively substantially

Contribution isn't AI though.

I havent been saying it's AI

I think espeonage trying to employ the supposed fact that I wasnt contributing was weird

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I dunno

I think the parts of nurse posting that are directed to me are pretty wolfy lol they feel like trying to force a scumread but struggling to

I think all other parts of nurse posting are very villagery

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sheepsaysmeep - town
Doctor Drew - towny
humaneatingmonkey - town
Peregrine - towny but maybe it's just the good vibes lmaoo
Random Nurse - towny
bob3141 - towny, but it's almost a "too wolfy to be wolf" read so it's a weird area
Dunnstral - ever slightly townlean I guess

Bellaphant - idk
Not_Mafia - no clue
Hu Tao - he's fine but sort of disappointing/underwhelming and maybe that's wolfy idk please go closer to your full potential
Save The Dragons - pings me a little
Espeonage - scummy I think
Quiet Owl - scummy

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to answer the dragons part, I disliked the vote on me, but I dont think it makes sense as a wolf partner with espeonage. because im probably not a viable wagon that would happen today; if STD were going to try to start a counterwagon to save his partner, he'd probably target someone more limmable

idk what I think about the first part. I generally don't give much credence to the "Dead air dead villager" argument. you do actually raise a decent point that makes me a little paranoid. but like, I still easily see it being wolf; the townreads of mine that are on the wagon are like, some of the most active players in the game with the strongest presence, so it's possible that wolves just.. are demotivated and semi-given-up about it idk lol. I think it's too hard to tell with a) so much inactivity and b) still not being very close to deadline (I think things will change when we get closer)

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hey random nurse can you describe what you think about my slot overall a bit more

does it bother you that you seem to find me scummy but youre voting on the same wagon as me?

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I dunno

I think the parts of nurse posting that are directed to me are pretty wolfy lol they feel like trying to force a scumread but struggling to

I think all other parts of nurse posting are very villagery

I am having a hard time sussing out your read on them.

And isn't trying to force a scum read pretty damn.....uh, damning?

idk I think the towny stuff prob substantially overrides the other stuff. im probably omgus'ing a bit?? the positioning around me just bugs me a lot and I would like a clearer stance

but like, it wasnt that they voiced a scumread, and it felt forced. it was just like, the catchup felt weirdly focused on me; I saw my name like 4 times and that was pingy

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whats your take on them doctor drew

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I just iso'd. non-stancing seems pretty inaccurate to me?

I thought it was random aggressing but it was actually more reflective / thoughtful than I thought it was lmao. but mainly I liked their owl push + something something 15 posts in a row and didn't feel forced = villa lolz

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although I think they should answer Dunn's question about how much experience they have. if they are experienced it probably negates some of the things I am townreading

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although I think they should answer Dunn's question about how much experience they have. if they are experienced it probably negates some of the things I am townreading

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i feel like town sheep is more present

I think this is factually incorrect

can you link a recent town game?

wouldnt a mafia game where I was very present be what ur looking for here lol

viewtopic.php?t=91038 - last game we played together, town, I think I was very apathetic
viewtopic.php?t=91019 - town, apathetic

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ur-Power-1 - mafia game, completely different site context, but I was in the top couple posters each day

I just think it's weird to suggest that my uninvolvement is alignment-related for me. I just find this game deeply unappetizing

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Save The Dragons - pings me a little

why

idk, some of it is minor meta things I guess

you remind me much more of you in that mini normal as wolf vs you when ive you seen you as villa

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I would like you to talk more about my slot and explain your stance further

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tbh the two readlists being so different is probably towny lmfao

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so insightful

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also kittytacky I enjoy the flavor

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Why is everyone so suspicious

who's suspicious hu tao

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I actually townread std's responses to u lmfao

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VOTE: quiet owl

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I agree largely with that worldview etc etc. I think there's a >50% chance that wolves are just in a fucked position, our reads are good, and that's what leads to the dead gamestate.

I think it is maybe time to end this very fucked day 1

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Towncore:
humaneatingmonkey - this is just town, they view the game so similarly to me
bob3141 - reads pure town
Peregrine - is town


Save The Dragons - when he was tryharding I thought he felt wolfy but now he vibes sorta town lmao
Hu Tao - I agree with STD that he now feels more like past town games. I also think hu tao has a point that we have no clue what his scumgame looks like lol but it still puts him like mildly above null
Random Nurse - slightly town. If they have substantial mafia experience that does make me more paranoid and make them basically null
Doctor Drew - was good early, only skimmed last pages but he seemed to drop off a little

Dunnstral - ???? my gut feels that gun-to-my-head he is town but I have no clue why ??
Bellaphant* Invisibility - ???
Not_Mafia - Not_Mafia

Espeonage T3 - bad
Quiet Owl - bad

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I started feeling good about the game when quiet owl became the counterwagon to espeonage like "wow this is the perfect state of things that I would want" and that was maybe and for my motivation to do stuff

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wtf

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I almost think that's wolfy cuz of how little sense it makes lmao im not sure

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I thought the whole purpose was to go for it and yolo lol

seems kinda unfair to just hammer replacement immediately

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VOTE: t3

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yeah but sometimes in life u take a risk and do the technically suboptimal thing cuz it's fun

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exciting

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Can someone let me hammer quiet owl?

human eating monkey told me not to

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This game is fucked

I’ll just give up and go to owl probably

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Dunn vote t3?

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we might as well have done quiet owl then lmao

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damn

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I feel like that's town lol

do we switch to quiet owl

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VOTE: quiet owl

mafia!t3 claims a role here to get owl limmed I think

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ahhh or I guess he also claims vt if w/w with quiet owl

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VOTE: t3

ok let's just flip this

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that was the most life I have felt in this game

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I dont think so I think I was already a founding member of the wagon

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thank you for the reassurance human eating monkey

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this is wild

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it makes me think my reads are shit lol, I thought my towncore was solid I thought they wouldve killed in there

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I would find norwe's catchup wolfy but I sort of believe him that he's spewed clear based on what I remember

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norwe can you talk about your STD townread? after his last couple posts Ive decided he's pretty likely town again but I came into today very skeptical of him so maybe u have some useful insight

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I dunno

game is in a weird place

there bunch of slots I want to just bam bam pummel through

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humaneatingmonkey I will still go with town. wanting the NM wagon like that is almost too shameless to be wolf lol idk

STD I will go with town

Norwee I accept is town

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peregrine I still do not want to vote but they are dropping down into more and more "could be wolf" and probably need to do things?

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Bloodb0t can die

bob, I disliked his posting today. I disagree with people who liked his response to Norwee's pressure on him; it made me pivot completely from townreading to scumreading. but I sorta like his invisibility push. they are definitely not w/w together

invisibility is a scumread. he just feels inauthentic. like in a vacuum im

fine

with everything he's said. but im used to invisibility being able to super obvtown and he is simply nothing close to that in this game, his self-defenses rub me weirdly and theres not much else to like.

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Hu Tao ???
Not_Mafia is Not_Mafia

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VOTE: invisibility

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what are your thoughts on norwee's posting

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I think that thought actually makes a lot of sense but I think nurse hyperfocused on owl in a way that doesnt rly make sense as w/w? like a substantial portion of nurse's content was just pressing owl for response, would be inefficient play

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ok [unv]invisibility[/unv]

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UNVOTE: invisibility

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VOTE: bloodb0t

e-2

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agree peregrine claim is town

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this is hard

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im oooopen to the ideaaa of HEM being scum. there were some things that made me tinfoil.

however, im really busy before deadline, and probably too busy to process everything. and I think prior to processing everything, I'd never let myself vote HEM because they were my top townread coming into today. so I probably have to outright refuse to consider supporting this wagon logistically which feels bum

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yeah

my first instinct with the role claim was that it seems more like a scum role

second thought was that maybe we let it live and self-resolve anyway because it's vaguely arguably a cop

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oh wait

it's not a finder of town bodyguards right

it's just a finder of bodyguards

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bleh

seems completely useless for town and like a totally reasonable scum role but maybe scum!hem considers that first and doesnt claim that?? idfk

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ok he said the same thing but a second before

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roden did you have a read on me from your catchup

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Roden seems like someone notably more sortable than various players who have been in this game so maybe I don’t want his lim today just out of principle with that

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ive thought about it for 2 minutes and I think bodyguards are all town

a mafia bodyguard seems like something I would almost never use

a mafia compulsive bodyguard just seems mean

but I dont really share norwee's conclusion about what this means for hem's alignment; I see hem's point that it could be like a semi-cop and am toying with the idea of cfd'ing someone else like nm

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I think the only way a mafia bodyguard exists is if HEM is town and it's just to fuck with hem and make it not necessarily a cop lol

I dont think it's really fit for ever being used with a 1-shot strongman and whatever else possible

maybe a mafia bodyguard would be practical if mafia vigs were normal

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I do see HEM as a Possible town role tho lol

with the idea being like

based on the logic in this page, all bodyguards are town only. however, mafia might want to fakeclaim bodyguard because there are publicly multiple bodyguards. thus it's a vaguely interesting somewhat useful semi-cop

idrk

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I think separate from claim I do find hem's recent self-defense wolfy I guess. I think their perspective on the game is hard for me to buy into. it's like oddly stagnant along with too confident

doesnt seem to evolve with this push on him which he thinks is bad - I feel like he should have more interest in evaluating people based on that? seems still quite extremely confident (poe'ing down to 2) despite d1 flips being off and unexpected. I now see it being sorta off

noting there are some pages I have not rly read. in the region of like 30-32

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Wait, i just got an magnificent idea that can confirm if HEM is lying or not.

So my idea is that Peregrine should target one of me/HEM.

HEM targets me and tells everyone whether i am a bodyguard or not.

I will then confirm over night if HEM is correct or lying about their result. We can then do something else as the elimination today, like killing useless slot N_M.

this confirms whether theyre a bodyguard finder but I already believe that their role is a bodyguard finder lol

dont you think it's a scum role

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I do think I'd support the NM cfd tho lmfao

I am unpassionate about HEM lim I think if it happened and flipped villa I would be kinda tilted and regret lots of things

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I guess in all this time I could've caught up

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Wait, i just got an magnificent idea that can confirm if HEM is lying or not.

So my idea is that Peregrine should target one of me/HEM.

HEM targets me and tells everyone whether i am a bodyguard or not.

I will then confirm over night if HEM is correct or lying about their result. We can then do something else as the elimination today, like killing useless slot N_M.

this confirms whether theyre a bodyguard finder but I already believe that their role is a bodyguard finder lol

dont you think it's a scum role

It's either that or it's a semi-cop which you had been theorizing.

So what do you believe?

yeah like

it's either town, and aaaarguably a cop. or it's scum, and it's just a bodyguard finder

if hem is correct about whether youre bodyguard: it's either town, and aaaarguably a cop. or it's scum, and it's just a bodyguard finder

no info gained

I guess the interesting line here is: if a) you agree that if it's town, it's a semi-cop. b) you think it's strongly semi-cop enough that mafia would be scared if it's town and kill it themselves. then prob let it live and do public actions

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

my gut calls out to me I am going with god

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nevermind I thought about it and I probably want to kill HEM first

if HEM is mafia NM is spewed villa

sorry.

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Yeh it just negates the reason I gut-townread your last page or so

Sorry

From “this is so weird idk how to understand it” to “oh it makes total sense for mafia!HEM to want to first take down NM before dying lol

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Will u feel better if I promise ur villa flip would make me heavily heavily consider ur reads

Norwe is currently literal lock clear to me

If u flip v I will thoroughly reread and go through meta stuff

If u flip wolf I am basically never touching it lol

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Ok my gut townreads again

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Let’s just do nm lmao

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hem

I think I would feel much more validated about general grasp of the game / being on a good path. Like my view of things was always heavily based on you being town + things we were pushing being heavily town-driven, but flips so far have made me think I need to turn my thoughts on their head lol

I would agree with you that our position is pretty good. NM would prob be a good call for wolf just POE-wise. maybe drew/ bot/roden slot still. Maybe invis for d1, can you remind me what you think of them

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Ok good night folks I broke v/la for this just cuz mech is so interesting

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gah it seems like important stuff is happening but im so busy man

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@norwe @std I trust u and would take either a summary from u or just instructions of a vote to follow lol

in case I dont have time to read myself

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I'm town

damn I cant be voting this guy anymore cuz voting town is against my wincon

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ok unironically at a glance I maybe do want to vote hem again

this is hard

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Damn bruh

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Idk

I haven’t processed what recent flips make me think

I told myself I wouldn’t just start by voting NM but he’s like remarkably the only slot I don’t have some reason to feel ok about rn

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I guess prior to doing anything invisibility is back to being my next guess

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Yeah idk VOTE: NM

the whole game feels town despite lims missing and like, in that definition NM is not “part of the game” (sorry)

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hi

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Why did it feel townie? I don’t think I liked it

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lol

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VOTE: hu tao

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What are the odds of this being our last day?

Probably 0, mafia definitely have 3 members and they can’t have extra killpower in normal games

What did u think the scenario was where it’s our last day

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ah

he can still pull off a shot the night he dies. the 2nd death is like 99% him

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I think it's exactly NM and then one of tao/invis but theyre not w/w

I feel very confident in this gameview but idk it could be bad just because this game feels very unique to anything ive played before

Norwee is town, one example of why is that I still believe the nurse/owl stuff was def w->v

STD is town, I guess could technically be the blindspot he's just seemed the most based to me and has the "not at all trying to appear town" feel recently that ive correctly used to townread him before

peregrine is just too pure to be mafia and the bodyguard claim was probably town

the other slots felt more scum to me

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I think it's exactly NM and then one of tao/invis but theyre not w/w

I feel very confident in this gameview but idk it could be bad just because this game feels very unique to anything ive played before

Norwee is town, one example of why is that I still believe the nurse/owl stuff was def w->v

STD is town, I guess could technically be the blindspot he's just seemed the most based to me and has the "not at all trying to appear town" feel recently that ive correctly used to townread him before

peregrine is just too pure to be mafia and the bodyguard claim was probably town

the other slots felt more scum to me

If that's your logic why vote me?

idk I guess I should be voting NM but isnt this more interesting

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invisibility whats your stance on killing NM

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invisibility whats your stance on killing NM

idk that's probably what we should do today but I wanted to push Hu Tao

ok fair I think I fel similarly

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UNVOTE:

I'm going to try to think about this game tonight if I can

tbh I try to think about this game every night and fail

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I think it's exactly NM and then one of tao/invis but theyre not w/w

I feel very confident in this gameview but idk it could be bad just because this game feels very unique to anything ive played before

Norwee is town, one example of why is that I still believe the nurse/owl stuff was def w->v

STD is town, I guess could technically be the blindspot he's just seemed the most based to me and has the "not at all trying to appear town" feel recently that ive correctly used to townread him before

peregrine is just too pure to be mafia and the bodyguard claim was probably town

the other slots felt more scum to me

If that's your logic why vote me?

idk I guess I should be voting NM but isnt this more interesting

Suspicious, you might be scum

can u explain

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I mean I dont think a vote on NM really achieves anything lmao

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and I thought invisibility had some valid insight about your read shifts feeling opportunistic

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You guys are forcing me to think about this game aren't you.

tbh im sorta down to just kill nm lole

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tonight came, I failed my assignment

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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does anyone know if today is the day we're supposed to massclaim?? I feel like it roughly is??

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I guess it just doesnt feel right because I feel like my grasp of the gamestate is enough where it needs to be even without claims idk

I just think this point in the game is when youre supposed to

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I think it's like

if limming NM feels iffy then we should be mass claiming.

I just feel weirdly good that Not_Mafia is mafia that we dont need to claim cuz it wouldnt change anything

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idk either someone help

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ehhhhhhhhhh it's probably right to just kill NM without claiming yet

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I remember a previous game where we came into the day before lylo and everyone wanted to lim fireisredsir. the consensus was basically "if we're definitely just going to kill fire, we should not massclaim, but if there's debate over who to kill, we should massclaim"

I think NM is just the correct lim today and should be pummeled

so no claiming in order to not tell mafia who to kill

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good talk

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very down

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how can you say that and then not put the vote down

I had my hopes up

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bah

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we should set a claim order

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that post does not make sense to me

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does your guilty impact what you would like the claim order to be

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Does this mean u would like to go last

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I think u and invis should be at the front is my first instinct

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Alright sure

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Wait hm

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I thought about it and I think something

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im not a vt

and I think it means there must be mafia in hu tao / ???peregrine?????

because that would be like, a ridiculous number of town non-vanillas

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how so lmao

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im a town role

we've flipped:

town bodyguard
town 2-shot vig
town bodyguard checker
town role that I am

you claim to be town role

peregrine claims to be town bodyguard

if that were all true, there would be 4 vanilla town at most, which is already less than half the towns

my first impression is that this isnt the case

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yeah sure lol

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do u see the slip

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oh man lmfao

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hhh

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im not a vt

and I think it means there must be mafia in hu tao / ???peregrine?????

because that would be like, a ridiculous number of town non-vanillas

If you're town from your perspective, there are 5 people remaining. 4 without you included. Meaning 2 town and 2 scum. If you name 3 people it is confirmed mafia in the 3 people... why would you have to think that?

what

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there are 4 people

invisibility
std
hu tao
peregrine

there are 2 mafia in those people

it's possible that hu tao/peregrine are both town. but I thought that's not the case because of setup spec

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ah yeah

I just put question marks around peregrine as in "I am realizing I gotta consider peregrine as mafia when Ive been thinking I could just assume they were town for many day phases"

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I am the bodyguard enabler

when I die the bodyguards stop working

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lmao

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hem n1, std n2

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all signs were pointing to hu tao scum but the way he's going about building up a big grand reveal is probably towny lol

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how exciting

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ahh interesting

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I wouldve said I was leaning to u being the villa if u didnt leave out the post toward the end of day 1 lol

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man

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u should vote him and make it like officially the thunderdome that way, it's much nicer

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who do u think is most likely the second scum

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hm

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invisibility are u here lol

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this game feels unsolvable lmfao like theres just not enough material

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I think as a starting fundamental, there is exactly one in hu tao/std and exactly one in invis/peregrine. if hutao-std is together, they wouldnt claim the guilty here because they dont need to.. they'd probably do ok winning the game already.

and I thinkkk I still want to say hu tao/invis isnt w/w. idk... invis rly-mini-pushed hu tao at the end of day yesterday and I think he made a good point meh

which leaves me with invis/std or hu tao/peregrine

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hu tao can you explain to me why you checked bob and why you checked std

I find both meh to try to understand

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although why does mafia!hu tao choose to claim a guilty on STD here and 1v1 him lol

I dont think there's any reason he had to

my theory is hutao-peregrine then he could've tried to get invis... even I wouldve been easier to beat in a 1v1

maybe that wifom just makes std the wolf lmao

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I read the hu tao iso first and I think this is a really scummy iso

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I read the hu tao iso first and I think this is a really scummy iso

his scumreads are really really shallow, mostly based on 1 post. and at the same time his stance on basically 3/4 of the game is scumread. this is not really how I remember town!hu tao at all; I should prob double check, but I remember more broadly focused and capable of finding towns
(Scumreading everyone in a game that I think is "people are being underwhelming but I feel like most of the actives are town" is something I successfully caught scum for very very recently)


and his townreads if ever given feel very weirdly strategic

-early espeonage townread from the start bothered me. felt just bleh-weak and pockety. espeonage was already like a popular wagon at start of day 1
-bob townread at start of day 2. bob was receiving heat start of day 2
-Suddenly weird humaneatingmonkey townread at the very end, when humaneatingmonkey was definitely clearly already dead.

these are all like, intriguingly anti consensus. but he did not really play them as though they were true anticonsensus townreads. he didnt defend these people against the heat they faced

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I note that from hu tao's iso, my belief that he's not w/w with STD is semi-reinforced

from hu tao's end, I could see him being with invis: he shades invis but like the amount of bigness it has is definitely the least out of the handful of people he shades

I dont remember him literally ever acknowledging peregrine. which honestly would make me rule out the team, but I think he literally never referenced random nurse either lmao

but yeah this makes me less sure that if hu tao flips wolf that the partner is peregrine>invis. im more like 50/50 about that now

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Invis should come back and be readable lmao

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I think STD iso is actually a very towny iso

idfk I kinda think I just vote hu tao here im like 70% of the way there already

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-I think the way std's reads fluctuate so drastically is believable lol. like

a) ive correctly previously townread him for flipping around a bunch and clearly thinking hard about the game
b) his flips here are good and make lots of sense to me. like each time he made a drastic change in this ISO I remembered thinking something similar at the same time

-I think he has a towny way of explaining some stuff and then refusing to give more than the bare minimum explanation for other stuff lol which is towny to me. like once more citing meta, ive correctly found him town for clearly not caring how he appears and I think a lot of the vibe is present here

as such his walls here feel.. different from the walls when I faced scum!him in a recent mini normal

idk meh

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it's like

im not actually sure if im a decent STD meta-reader.. maybe my sample size is too small...

but if I am a decent STD reader, it's DEFINITELY hu tao is mafia and std is town

lol

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I just realized

let's say im right that hu tao is the mafia. and we lim him today

STD probably dies in the night

then I have to choose between peregrine and invisibility which, from this game, I think Is literally the most impossible fucking task in the history of the world lol

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lmao

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it was already explained to u why that's objectively incorrect

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idk this is weird

It just doesnt feel like invisibility/hu tao

because hu tao seems genuinely desperate to try to convince invis.. even more than trying to convince me at all

I think that's w/v relationship

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Okay. If you're town who is scum

I have been talking through this

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std/invis or hu tao/peregrine and im leaning the second

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the thing is hu tao/peregrine/nurse would mean hu tao literally never even attempted to have the slightest of non-w/w interactions with his partners ever

which is possible but gives me big pause lol

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actually. I do not know why I ever ruled out std/peregrine

std's only non w/w interactions in this game are probably with hu tao. which I guess is a point against him

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this is hard

I just find the way the claim happened scummy

I find the Softing unconvincing, like I personally fully see a normal progression if there's no role. first: bob is scummy for literally this one single post. then, hm, bob thought the exact same thing as me. (to me this is basically already a townread because the second thing seems like it outweighs the reasons for the original scumread by a lot). then, bob is "probably" town (not worded in the form "bob is town") for the thing I said yesterday

and I feel like all the play today / presentation of the claim is overly LAMIST when it's

not

at all actually clearly real like he's trying to say it is. I feel like thats just wolfily forced

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so I lean hu tao like surprisingly ridiculously strongly in terms of posting

but then it's like,

a) either he's with invisibility and they put on good theater starting.. last day phase lol
b) he never ever mentioned his partners. which is possible but it's just poor play I think and I feel like hu tao is decent and experienced. I guess if this ends up being the case it has to be explained by his general lack of activity/engagement or something

but the second dilemma is. I think he most likely came into today prepped already to push me/std. like, if he is wolf, why????? I feel like we were the two towniest players coming into today..
I think this makes invis/hu tao more likely than peregrine/hutao. the situations I see are:
a) the whole game has been treating peregrine as lock clear. so hu tao comes into today with peregrine assumed lock clear, invis as his partner whom he is against pushing, so it leaves him with std/sheep?
b) maybe I misread what happened and he came into today prepped to push anyone, teamed with peregrine. then when invis claimed bodyguard, he pushed the two non-bg claims because his personal perception of the setup as mafia (possibly fueled by tmi, I could see that) is that there the claim cleared invis so he feels forced to push other two
butttt I think the first case is more likely rip

so I dunno, like, im not aaaaas confident that hu tao wolf is the solution as I was the last time invisibility watched me solve a game like this lol

but like I dont know if I can ever reach more confident in this game's minimal content no matter how hard I think about it lol

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I disagree about the setting up lims thing. idk, it's probably not scummy of you, but I think "at least one mafia in these people" or "these ppl could be partners" is like insanely ridiculously common in early pages. for a lot of people it's just how they express reads, + if anything it's towny to me just for having complex thoughts lol. like you said, it's like page 5 and everything is based off of so little, no one actually thinks theyre setting up multiple lims in practicality

Saying that 3 pages in seems very forced. When I had literally had no more than 15 words maybe

But we can agree to disagree on it

I think it's exactly NM and then one of tao/invis but theyre not w/w

I feel very confident in this gameview but idk it could be bad just because this game feels very unique to anything ive played before

Norwee is town, one example of why is that I still believe the nurse/owl stuff was def w->v

STD is town, I guess could technically be the blindspot he's just seemed the most based to me and has the "not at all trying to appear town" feel recently that ive correctly used to townread him before

peregrine is just too pure to be mafia and the bodyguard claim was probably town

the other slots felt more scum to me

If that's your logic why vote me?

idk I guess I should be voting NM but isnt this more interesting

Suspicious, you might be scum

this is basically almost all of hu tao's treatment of me before today, besides responding to some stuff with questions

Invisibility jumping on Bob right away after Norwegian is suspect too. What happened to your previous reads?

I don't feel like Bob's response to my FOS is scummy, this is tragic.
I need to view this game from an different angle.

Start it by voting this instead

VOTE: invisibility

Well invisibility that was a quick 180

this is almost all of hu tao posting about invisibility before today besides questioning (no follow-ups on questioning to quote)

I actually townread std's responses to u lmfao

That makes one of us. In my point of view he could be trying to pocket me. But unsure

UNVOTE:

I actually think std is scum now. But I know we probably won't have enough votes for it

Hu Tao who do you actually think is scum

Right now I think it's between you sheep and NM

this is what hu tao treatment of std looks like throughout the game - note that this read is more well explained than it appears here, I missed lots of explanation posts because it was hard to command+f for them


in short, I am thinking this very similar treatment of the 3 slots is v/v/v for me/invis/std and hu tao is a power wolf with peregrine. just pushes loads of villagers at the same time, like the whole pushable playerlist, and then leaves his wolf partners alone, like the literal most extreme power wolf

I think if you do this search-through for progressions on some flipped villagers it looks similar too. there is basically never a semblance of something positive expressed - which is like, just really unnatural to me. it is just progressive shading

I dont get the feeling he is genuinely trying to sort these different players alignments (especially something I felt toward me from my pov)

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this is the type of posting Im supposed to do right before placing a vote like "I swear I thought this through, sorry if wrong pls dont blame me"

except I dont know whether I'd actually put a vote already

but like

why not

im impatient and nothing much else will happen lmao

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let me read std one more time

I need invis to be more here man

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I feel like im supposed to hide who my preference is before invis/peregrine say stuff in order to make them more sortable lol

so like it forces invis/peregrine wolf to choose btetween voting their partner versus voting the villa

whereas if hu tao is their partner and im already gonna vote him then they know they should bus

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sorry if I goofed the game that way

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I think if you do this search-through for progressions on some flipped villagers it looks similar too. there is basically never a semblance of something positive expressed - which is like, just really unnatural to me. it is just progressive shading

and just the more I think about it / look through

it's reinforced that the only times something positive is expressed is very strategic. literally each time he townread someone it was a person under immense pressure, and hu tao didnt actually really defend them hard or try to convince people, he was just like yea btw I personally see them as towny rn

I think it can be explained literally Perfectly as a wolf style: push all the villagers, but then when someone seems like theres a decent chance they die, pull back and defend. that way, it Doesnt look like you've been pushing villagers all game. you can be like, hey wait, but I defended these people

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I feel like im supposed to hide who my preference is before invis/peregrine say stuff in order to make them more sortable lol

so like it forces invis/peregrine wolf to choose btetween voting their partner versus voting the villa

whereas if hu tao is their partner and im already gonna vote him then they know they should bus

oh my god I remember how to play lylo now.. this is right

youre supposed to have a vote order of scummiest to towniest, like a claim order

oops

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why use a traffic analyst in this setup over a cop if there were no other PTs to find

i think it's a weird claim regardless of the supposed guilty on me

this is an interesting good point lol

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invisibility what are u thinking

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can u talk about it in much depth

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Peregrine is probably scum cuz I assume the other bodyguard claim is scums

this is interesting to me, can u explain it a bit more

like I guess from my pov theres gotta be scum between the two bodyguards. but earlier in the game I was thinking a mafia bodyguard makes no sense. and I do believe that peregrine is a bodyguard