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This post is super scummy?In post 25, Klazam wrote: Alright I looked at some other games’ rules posts, I’m new to that particular thing, wasn’t a thing when I played here awhile ago.
Because it appears to be a thing here on site (I did see a couple that didn’t mention the multitasking whatsoever). That particular piece of setup spec makes more sense to me so gonna
UNVOTE: Abnegation
I think it would be weird for scum to make the particular comment that he did with the above in mind, so Ima sliiight lean town on abneg.
I doubt that we could rely on the absence of multitasking in the rules to tell us anything though.
Back on you my vote goes
VOTE: davesaz
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In post 12, Hu Tao wrote: I agree something seems off about it like TMI but maybe I'm not understanding something and someone else can explain
Also both of these seem like townie thoughts.In post 19, camelCasedSnivy wrote: what if abnegation is scum and looked to see if she could multitask in the first place-
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OK why even mention the the town possibility shouldn't be discussed, it just brings attention to the fact that you think he's a PR anyway. I also don't think your would-be scumlean on Hu is genuine.In post 162, davesaz wrote: I can think of at least three ways for Flavor Leaf to be this way, one each town, scum, and NAI. The town and NAI ones shouldn't be discussed and can't be discussed respectively.
Reserved FL isn't something I see too often, though as I mentioned before it's been quite a while. If I had to guess I'd say it's the NAI version.
Hu and Klaz feel like they're solving, and townleans. If I had to pick one of them to be a scumlean it would be Hu but that's primarily driven by a feeling that voting is the main way of generating conflict to get reads from, which makes me biased against not voting.
I don't see the purpose for Abnegation to still be self voting. It's still the first 1/4 of day so being on the sidelines isn't urgent yet, but it isn't doing anything to advance the game and that's troubling.
Ab, Kitty isn't saying they posted a TR on Leek, he's saying that he had a tentative TR on him in his mind.In post 168, KittyTacky wrote: I think camel is town.
Abnegation is town, let's be honest it's fine if RVS votes stay until page 7.
Now that the leek thing is pointed out my tentative TR on him has crumbled. If I vote soon then I'm voting there.
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I'm caught up, woo! That was fast.
VOTE: Dave-
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Hu Tao
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Flavor Leaf
Abnegation
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I haven't gone back to fact check, but from Ab's post you seem to only have played two games prior to this, both as town? If that's the case, I don't think a newbiemaf would play with the ease of tone you have. I liked that manner of which you replied to Ab's case, acknowledging it to be true rather than react defensively. It indicates to me an objective point of view rather than a survival one.In post 245, SzmarzLeek wrote: am I not too high there
I wouldn't put myself up there if I looked at my gameplay from the outside I guess
but the fact of giving such a list unprovoked at this stage is a bit towny I believe, scum wouldn't want to antagonize so many people this early, better to focus on 1, 2 people-
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No, you're the 3rd least towny. Everyone above you I have gotten some towny impression from or something or another. I haven't gotten one from you yet, but I don't think it necessarily makes you maf (same for Arko).In post 247, geraintm wrote:
Am I 3rd most scummy to you?In post 244, Ame wrote: Hu Tao
camelCasedSnivy
SzmarzLeek
Flavor Leaf
Abnegation
BlackStar
Doctor Drew
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I like Klazam's case. It seems like the sort of thought process that stems from townynoia - like, the idea that the behavior of another player is a reaction to your own towny actions. Blackstar displays this in his case too. I'm not quite sold against cCS but the post-hoc addition of #264 above does ring me. Like the need to display a consistency in his voting progression. This sort of self-consciousness I think more comes from maf. Actually, I've convinced myself while writing this. The Klaz/Hu vote thing is such a stale reason to still be voting Klaz, especially after Klaz updated on his motivations behind the push and what he got from it. I actually think cCS is probably a hit.
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I also agree with Blackstar that Drew's "why do you assume I scum read you" is weird. Bruh, you just implied in several post that she's maf lol.-
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Well I've completely reversed my view since, I hope you still like me!In post 269, Hu Tao wrote:
I like you alreadyIn post 236, Ame wrote:
This post is super scummy?In post 25, Klazam wrote: Alright I looked at some other games’ rules posts, I’m new to that particular thing, wasn’t a thing when I played here awhile ago.
Because it appears to be a thing here on site (I did see a couple that didn’t mention the multitasking whatsoever). That particular piece of setup spec makes more sense to me so gonna
UNVOTE: Abnegation
I think it would be weird for scum to make the particular comment that he did with the above in mind, so Ima sliiight lean town on abneg.
I doubt that we could rely on the absence of multitasking in the rules to tell us anything though.
Back on you my vote goes
VOTE: davesaz
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you didn't do me :(In post 284, SzmarzLeek wrote: let's look at CSS votes-
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I disagree with Gera being best of the three mentioned, but do agree that Kitty isn't a good option. I think nono is a great option.-
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Drew what's up with this??In post 268, Ame wrote: I also agree with Blackstar that Drew's "why do you assume I scum read you" is weird. Bruh, you just implied in several post that she's maf lol.-
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Which one?In post 372, Doctor Drew wrote: I will say I kinda don't like the heat Dave is getting for that one post on Flavor. IIRC, and they even said as much, that is kinda how they post and I believe in years past I even thought it was scummy, seems pretty superficial tbh.-
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What do you like about nono's posts?In post 376, davesaz wrote: I like Nono's new posts.
KittyTacky said some things that resonated, in particular about how it's a fallacy that only scum care how they look. Not enough for a real townread, will need to see some evidence of trying to sort.
Geraintm took a poke or two but didn't really follow up that I can tell. I'd be willing to go there.
I'm not sure about Leek's motivation in asking about the list in the first place. It seems kinda weak to go after unproductive people. Not enough for a scumread, but definitely worth watching.-
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Do you know if you've used this phrasing before (as town)?In post 361, davesaz wrote:
I don't see what's the difference in these different ways to say the same thing. They all boil down to "I think x but if I'm wrong then it's Y". Maybe it's the engineer/programmer thing?In post 348, Abnegation wrote:
something does seem off with this post now that you mention it. the "if i had to pick one of my townleans to be a scumlean" phrasing is a bit weird. i know i've thought, "if i'm wrong on one of my townreads it's X," and, "i'm least confident in X being town," but this reads differently from that. the trying to make a townlean into a scumlean feels artificial.-
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Ok but you said several times that you were happy she finally rolled scum, so why wouldn't she think you thought she was scum?In post 378, Doctor Drew wrote:
A vote, especially very early D1, doesn't always mean you are scum.In post 373, Ame wrote:
Drew what's up with this??In post 268, Ame wrote: I also agree with Blackstar that Drew's "why do you assume I scum read you" is weird. Bruh, you just implied in several post that she's maf lol.
I have played a million games with her, and while I can't read her the best a little pressure is always good to start things
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He's not getting any heat for that? Hu called that out like 17 years ago.In post 381, Doctor Drew wrote:
On phone so trying not to search for it, but where they said Flavor could be town, scum, or his posting could just be NAI.In post 374, Ame wrote:
Which one?In post 372, Doctor Drew wrote: I will say I kinda don't like the heat Dave is getting for that one post on Flavor. IIRC, and they even said as much, that is kinda how they post and I believe in years past I even thought it was scummy, seems pretty superficial tbh.
Pre Edit: Well there was some joking involved when I said that, but again......pressure(and i assumed she would get the joke).-
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Unless you mean my thing about it where he says he can't talk about one of the options, which just negates the idea behind not talking about it because it brings attention to it.-
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Actually maybe Daves instead of Drew
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I don't like the cCS is holding onto a stale read. He voted Klaz for X, Klaz's play around X has developed since then, but cCS hasn't updated his read around it. It reads to me more as someone who needs to elim someone more so than someone who is trying to solve.In post 383, davesaz wrote:That's a spicy list. Drew I could easily see, but cCS and Nono have been starting to redeem themselves. The game needs some fireworks though so by all means please elaborate.
pedit: nice, things are waking up a bit, 2nd post in a row I've had pop up with new activity
There isn't anything good in Nono's posts so far. There's no reasoning behind their Hu push (that I can follow at least). But really it's just the eyes glazing over bit that pinged me because I found the game really easy to read and get into upon coming in, and I'm asuperslow reader.
Also there's a bit of PoE because I think BlackStar, Hu Tao, Abnegation, KittyTacky, SzmarzLeek, Flavor Leaf, and Klazam are all town.
geraintm is neutral
You and drew are peculiar. I think just one in the two of you is scum though.-
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I don't think it's bad, just weird. It's like you forgot in the middle of your conversation that you were calling her scum, which actually might be townie thinking about itIn post 384, Doctor Drew wrote: Can you break down why my interaction with her seems so bad to you?
That literally reeks of 'Drew being Drew'
Pre Edit: Lol Dave, and keeps sniping me as well-
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In post 395, Doctor Drew wrote:
That is a very meaty town list this early in the game.In post 390, Ame wrote:
I don't like the cCS is holding onto a stale read. He voted Klaz for X, Klaz's play around X has developed since then, but cCS hasn't updated his read around it. It reads to me more as someone who needs to elim someone more so than someone who is trying to solve.In post 383, davesaz wrote:That's a spicy list. Drew I could easily see, but cCS and Nono have been starting to redeem themselves. The game needs some fireworks though so by all means please elaborate.
pedit: nice, things are waking up a bit, 2nd post in a row I've had pop up with new activity
There isn't anything good in Nono's posts so far. There's no reasoning behind their Hu push (that I can follow at least). But really it's just the eyes glazing over bit that pinged me because I found the game really easy to read and get into upon coming in, and I'm asuperslow reader.
Also there's a bit of PoE because I think BlackStar, Hu Tao, Abnegation, KittyTacky, SzmarzLeek, Flavor Leaf, and Klazam are all town.
geraintm is neutral
You and drew are peculiar. I think just one in the two of you is scum though.-
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What do you make of nono's posts so farIn post 394, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i have a bad tendency to hold on to early reads
you can use normal idea mafia as an example if you want
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In post 398, camelCasedSnivy wrote: Suspicious post. I think its too early for that.What is?
In post 399, camelCasedSnivy wrote: what slot was nono againAnko-
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why is that nulltown?In post 401, camelCasedSnivy wrote: arko ok
arko didnt really do anything and nono is just voting hu tao
its weird that theyre really only focusing on hu tao and not acknowledging anyone else so nulltown-
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what about it seems relaxed?In post 408, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
ope exactly what i said lmaoIn post 405, Ame wrote:
why is that nulltown?In post 401, camelCasedSnivy wrote: arko ok
arko didnt really do anything and nono is just voting hu tao
its weird that theyre really only focusing on hu tao and not acknowledging anyone else so nulltown
tunnels arent alignment indicative (unless some other piece influences it)
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I just don't see that as the opposite of forced is what I meanIn post 410, camelCasedSnivy wrote: they dont care about sounding serious have you even read their posts lmao-
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VOTE: Klazam-
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WhyIn post 426, KittyTacky wrote: Dave I am safe locktowning imo.
Still don't like leek on a quick reskim.-
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Theres two games in my sig!In post 440, Doctor Drew wrote: I wish I had experience with her play-
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Wait how come mine doesn’t show.-
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You disappeared. Why are you on the sidelines?In post 418, Klazam wrote:
What’s the progression of thought here?
All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.
Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.-
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Are you bug spray?In post 422, Nono wrote:
not followable reasoning =/= scummy,, not liking something =/=scumIn post 390, Ame wrote:
I don't like the cCS is holding onto a stale read. He voted Klaz for X, Klaz's play around X has developed since then, but cCS hasn't updated his read around it. It reads to me more as someone who needs to elim someone more so than someone who is trying to solve.In post 383, davesaz wrote:That's a spicy list. Drew I could easily see, but cCS and Nono have been starting to redeem themselves. The game needs some fireworks though so by all means please elaborate.
pedit: nice, things are waking up a bit, 2nd post in a row I've had pop up with new activity
There isn't anything good in Nono's posts so far. There's no reasoning behind their Hu push (that I can follow at least). But really it's just the eyes glazing over bit that pinged me because I found the game really easy to read and get into upon coming in, and I'm asuperslow reader.
Also there's a bit of PoE because I think BlackStar, Hu Tao, Abnegation, KittyTacky, SzmarzLeek, Flavor Leaf, and Klazam are all town.
geraintm is neutral
You and drew are peculiar. I think just one in the two of you is scum though.
reading on ability, charisma,, it’s shallow
bad? yes,, genuine? believe it (unfortunately)
not gonna conform to the standard, gonna play my way,, engage if you have problem, will try my best to elaborate but don’t say I didn’t warn you /shrug
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I think I had like 10 or so, on moba now but can check in a bit-
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None of their posts seem like they are trying to solve the game to me other than their avatarIn post 449, KittyTacky wrote:
Low post count but most of their posts seem like they're actually trying to solve the game.In post 429, Klazam wrote:
How are you locking Dave as town? I’m the most paranoid of that slot.In post 426, KittyTacky wrote: Dave I am safe locktowning imo.
Still don't like leek on a quick reskim.
I think low post count maf would mostly make irrelevant posts.
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Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prsIn post 451, KittyTacky wrote: I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.
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ok so like 20 actually and then some more on another accountIn post 448, Ame wrote: I think I had like 10 or so, on moba now but can check in a bit-
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gives em a fighting chanceIn post 455, Doctor Drew wrote:
So your solution is to gift mafia who the town PR's are?In post 454, Ame wrote:
Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prsIn post 451, KittyTacky wrote: I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.
but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest
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but like do you really think anyone would actually agree with me? the most i could see is someone like flavor leaf but town as a whole never agrees-
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where?In post 460, Doctor Drew wrote:
Listen, I get jokey shit posting......that is a bulk of my game.In post 458, Ame wrote: but like do you really think anyone would actually agree with me? the most i could see is someone like flavor leaf but town as a whole never agrees
But you have kinda positioned this as being serious until called out on it.-
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This is so suss. There’s a 77.52% chance cCS is a mafIn post 503, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
i dont like this VC but since ame literally just voted me i cant bring any wagon but myself to 3 soIn post 497, Random Nurse wrote: Klazam (2): Hu Tao, Ame
camelCasedSnivy (2): davesaz, Klazam
Ame (2): geraintm, Doctor Drew
Flavor Leaf (1): Flavor Leaf
SzmarzLeek (1): KittyTacky
Kitty Tacky (1): SzmarzLeek
Doctor Drew (1): Blackstar
Hu Tao (1): Nono
BlackStar (1): camelCasedSnivy
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In post 464, Klazam wrote:
I have a life, and I’m not a hyperposter like you. A few solid posts a day is good by me.In post 443, Ame wrote:
You disappeared. Why are you on the sidelines?In post 418, Klazam wrote:There is none, I just noticed you had gone quiet and wanted to poke you. I still think wolves are within cCS, nono, dave, ger, and drew. I probably hold off on Dave based on kitty’s “lock town”
What’s the progression of thought here?
All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.
Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.
I wanna note that you still haven’t answered my question- where’s your progression from a town read to a naked vote of your town read, ignoring these you had been discussing as scum completely.-
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It’s more how self-conscious you are with your votes. Like in this post, it’s so “justified”. It’s the same thing I was feeling with how you were treating your Kaz vote. Like you have to make sure you have justification of your votes. You’re not looking for mags you’re looking for where you can vote.In post 507, camelCasedSnivy wrote: the blackstar vote was the second person on nono's list, the first being hu tao. i decided at worst it would be a pressure vote which is still good-
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what the - where the heck did my response goIn post 508, Ame wrote:In post 464, Klazam wrote:
I have a life, and I’m not a hyperposter like you. A few solid posts a day is good by me.In post 443, Ame wrote:
You disappeared. Why are you on the sidelines?In post 418, Klazam wrote:There is none, I just noticed you had gone quiet and wanted to poke you. I still think wolves are within cCS, nono, dave, ger, and drew. I probably hold off on Dave based on kitty’s “lock town”
What’s the progression of thought here?
All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.
Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.
I wanna note that you still haven’t answered my question- where’s your progression from a town read to a naked vote of your town read, ignoring these you had been discussing as scum completely.-
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yes mafs*In post 511, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
if you mean scum then I've already found oneIn post 509, Ame wrote: You’re not looking for mags you’re looking for where you can vote.
though i can see where that viewpoint comes from
the start of the day however, barely has any info, so jumping on wagons in a situation like this is kinda needed-
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You disappeared and I wanted to poke you a bitIn post 514, Klazam wrote:
I’m dying to know what you said lolIn post 510, Ame wrote:
what the - where the heck did my response goIn post 508, Ame wrote:In post 464, Klazam wrote:
I have a life, and I’m not a hyperposter like you. A few solid posts a day is good by me.In post 443, Ame wrote:
You disappeared. Why are you on the sidelines?In post 418, Klazam wrote:There is none, I just noticed you had gone quiet and wanted to poke you. I still think wolves are within cCS, nono, dave, ger, and drew. I probably hold off on Dave based on kitty’s “lock town”
What’s the progression of thought here?
All this discussion on Nono (who I’m personally placing in the same bucket as Dave) then a vote for me.
Also you have a shockingly massive town list here.
I wanna note that you still haven’t answered my question- where’s your progression from a town read to a naked vote of your town read, ignoring these you had been discussing as scum completely.-
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take care <3, I hope everything is ok
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Who is it that you found, Klaz? You're saying you moved to Blackstar for info - did you expect for him to react to a naked vote? Where's the meat my manIn post 511, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
if you mean scum then I've already found oneIn post 509, Ame wrote: You’re not looking for mags you’re looking for where you can vote.
though i can see where that viewpoint comes from
the start of the day however, barely has any info, so jumping on wagons in a situation like this is kinda needed-
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In post 492, camelCasedSnivy wrote: that mass claim attempt was so bad im calling it townIn post 494, camelCasedSnivy wrote: like, i dont think mafia would actually try to explain that mass claiming is a good idea knowing full well it isnt going to do shit
Huh? I thought you voted me because you wanted a 3, but now you're saying there's an actual reason? You just called me town on the page before!In post 519, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i dont really like their town list is all
i could unvote her but i dont know who else to vote-
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what don't you like about it?In post 533, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
also fwiw i still dont like the town list but i think what happened on that page is a good enough indicationIn post 530, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
oh fuck i thought that was nonoIn post 528, Ame wrote:In post 492, camelCasedSnivy wrote: that mass claim attempt was so bad im calling it townIn post 494, camelCasedSnivy wrote: like, i dont think mafia would actually try to explain that mass claiming is a good idea knowing full well it isnt going to do shit
Huh? I thought you voted me because you wanted a 3, but now you're saying there's an actual reason? You just called me town on the page before!In post 519, camelCasedSnivy wrote: i dont really like their town list is all
i could unvote her but i dont know who else to vote-
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