Iceman Modeth - Mini 688 (GAME OVER!!!)

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Vote RBT

Cos he's town, obv.

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Vote: Xtoxm

for being the first to vote, and because I can't pronounce your name.

Heh, that's actually been the reason for a random vote on me a few times now

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 951#858951
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 475#980475
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53#1067853

I'm sure there's more if you want it...

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If anything, i'd say Juls answer is more indicative of scum than town...

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Neither are scumtells, nor is the combination of the two.

VOTECOUNT:
Scheherezad - 2: orangepenguin, G-Force
babygirl86 - 2: Erratus Apathos, Juls
Riceballtail - 1: Xtoxm
Erratus Apathos - 1: curiouskarmadog
Xtoxm - 1: Riceballtail
Juls - 1: babygirl86:

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G-Force.

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The reasons you gave for voting Shnez.

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Lol

I had assumed it's because he's ranked Townsperson.

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It's not always, CKD.

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I know for a fact that i've used it in the past myself.

An example doesn't come to mind, but i'm pretty certain it's useful sometimes.

Just saying.

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Why would he want to do that...

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So was mine.

Unvote Vote Juls

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No one dies.

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CKD, why did you feel the need to ask the exact same question EA has already posed?

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Absolutely.

VOTE COUNT:

Scheherezad - 4: orangepenguin, G-Force, Panamon, Erratus Apathos
Juls - 3: babygirl86:, curiouskarmadog, Xtoxm
Xtoxm - 2: Riceballtail, Juls
Erratus Apathos - 1: Pyrodwarf
Riceballtail - 1: Rhinox

Note: orangepenguin's vote was not counted - please unvote first please.

Thank you please.

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My initial top 3 would be Juls, Penguin, BG.

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Because out of everyone those are the 3 that i'm most suspicious of so far.

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I think this Shez wagon is shit.

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What makes you think that? Which people who are attacking me are chainsawing?

I've learnt that trying to get something coherent out of him isn't a good idea.

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I don't have a clue who is scum or town right now, and I find those who are making scum/town lists so early in the game to be slightly suspisious. First off, its near impossible to get an accurate scum or town tell off of somebody until people start dying and we know about the setup.

That's complete bullshit.

Unvote Vote Rhinox

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First off, its near impossible to get an accurate scum or town tell off of somebody until people start dying and we know about the setup.

This is nonesense.

It's possible to get reads on D1, without anyone dead.

And it really strikes me as something scum would say.

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Mafia is based on what people say, that's still the case D1.

I like my vote.

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CKD is also scummy.

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Unvote vote OP

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I don't like how he's been acting, or how he voted me.

VOTE COUNT:

Xtoxm - 3: Juls, curiouskarmadog, orangepenguin
Scheherezad - 2: Panamon, Riceballtail
Riceballtail - 2: Erratus Apathos, PyroDwarf
orangepenguin - 1: Xtoxm

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From what I could tell, because he tried to move the game out of the random phase to early for some people's liking.

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I think you will.

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In a way I guess I was trying to derail it, but that's just cos I think Shez is town.

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I'm getting pretty close to giving up my role.

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I'd rather not be lynched, tbh..

VOTE COUNT:

Xtoxm - 3: Juls, curiouskarmadog, orangepenguin
Scheherezad - 2: Panamon, Riceballtail
Riceballtail - 2: Erratus Apathos, PyroDwarf
orangepenguin - 1: Xtoxm

Not voting: babygirl86, G-Force, Rhinox, Scheherazade

Takes 7 to lynch.

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@curiouskarmadog:

Is this because he answered you in place of Riceballtail?

confirm vote Xtoxm.

No.

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RICE, STILL WAITING...you are posting all over site, but not here

Are you seriously expecting anything?

You've played with him before. I know you have.

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I'd be ok with that.

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Heh...Quicker than I thought, but I was right, EA!

Still not seeing the Shez wagon though, I thought he started the Day pretty townily.

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Oh come on! Those are boring questions!

Anyway I pretty much said why I find OP scummy. Don't like how he's acting, didn't like his vote on me, or his start.

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How can he alone explain it when other people are voting? He can only answer for himslef.

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How? Could you do that?

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Where did he say such a thing?

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Well he explains it right there, he thinks people are derailing the wagon by scapegoating EA.

What more do you want?

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Well I can't answer that you'll have to ask RBT.

What does chainsawing even mean?

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I think Juls is chainsawing at me and RBT.

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Or maybe...Just maybe...It's possible that...We're masons with mod confirmed innocence of each other...No, that's crazy talk.

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Unvote Vote BG

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Just us.

100%.

...Is PD seriously proposing a lynch of masons?

VOTE COUNT:

Scheherezad - 3: Panamon, Riceballtail, Erratus Apathos
Riceballtail - 2: PyroDwarf, G-Force
babygirl86 - 1: Xtoxm

Not voting: Rhinox, Scheherazade

Takes 7 to lynch.

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I think someone needs to learn about sarcasm.

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Cop shouldn't be investigating us in the first place.

I also crumbed it in my first post, so you'd know who my buddy was if I died.

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I think it's time for a lynch soon.

Either that or replacements.

Still searching for a replacement for Panamon. All other players have posted within the past 30 hours. This is a very active bunch.

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Looks like we can't get a replacement for Panamon...And game is sluggish.

Who's up for just lynching him?

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Well, having an empty role slot isn't helping town any.

Look at it this way.

We will be killing a 0% contributer.

We have about a 1/4 chance of hitting scum, which is very good. We have a 1/2 chance of hitting a VT. It's meh, on Day One. We have about a 1/4 chance of hitting a pro-town power-role. Now, that's the bad option, but where's the fun if there's no downside? I like these odds.

Infact, the odds are even better when you consider 2 of about 3 or 4 total power roles are already removed by me and RBT's claim.

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Dam you Bio, you ruined my little game.

Ah well, i'm ok with OP wagon.

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And I figured out that you'd figured it out too!

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sure I will see where this goes

vote GForce

since when did content = town? I understand lurker sometimes = scum, but I am not sure I understand Bio and OP's "discussion". Unless the arguement is really inconsistency.

You have contradicted yourself, if Lurker sometimes means scum, then content sometimes means town.

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Your example cannot compare to it.

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If A => B

Not B => Not A

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Well, that's proveable...

Unvote Vote BG

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No.

Bad G-Force.

Vig's should make their own choices.

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Mafia RB's are rare in Mini's. If he's a real vig, we should be ok...

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If they kill him, they kill him. It's not that big a loss. It would stop us being worried he's a SK all game, too.

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Good post.

BG bandwagon, anyone?

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Since when do we needs grounds to bandwagon?

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I've already told you, you don't have to think about it.

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...

Let's lynch her now?

VOTE COUNT:

G-Force - 2: curiouskarmadog, orangepenguin
orangepenguin - 2: G-Force, babygirl86
PyroDwarf - 1: bionicchop2
Scheherezad - 1: Riceballtail
babygirl86 - 1: Xtoxm

Not voting: Rhinox, Scheherazade, PyroDwarf, Juls, Erratus Apathos

7 votes will lynch.

"Before we're done here... ya'll be wearin' gold plated diapers."

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Sorry Volkan, you are today's lynch.

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Sorry it had to be like this, Volkan. I'd have rathered just lynch BG without a replacement than have to have a replacement go through this.

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Her play corroborates game I played with her as scum (Family Guy) and contradicts her play as town in a game I played with her (PYP3).

Volkan, what is your claim?

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Dammit, Volkan's being quite convincing...I'm not sure what to do. RBT, what say you?

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She made an excuse about RL and got replaced after lurking throughout.

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Why are you pushing this so, CKD?

He said he would claim, if that's what we wanted.

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I've seen it.

Infact, i've done it too.

As town

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Hammered without letting someone claim.

It was in response to Bio's post.

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It stops someone from saying something like "Not buying it" and hammering a vig or a cop etc.

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Gah, I think i'm with G-Force for the moment.

Unvote

Thing is, I don't think I could live with it of we let him off as scum, and he goes on to win...And I can totally see Volkan pulling something like this as scum. I'll resevre my Claim/Don't Claim.

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Huh? Pretty sure we are not deadlined.

Are you mixing up your games, Bio?

You play with me too much...

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You don't like the mason claim?

You mean, you don't like the fact you've lost two of your planned mislynches?

I am suspicious of these people trying to STILL say me and RBT are scum.

Potentially a better lynch than Volkan, perhaps....

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Mason is one of the worst claims for mafia to make, and it's nothing like being mafia.

Because I felt like it.

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Been a really busy week.

Got reading week next week though (week off basically), so I should be able to catch up my games then.

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I'm finding it very hard not to like this case.

I think I do want that claim...

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Why are you defending BG when you voted her before EA?

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I think maybe we should just go for it.

Vote Volkan

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The fear of coming so close and letting him get away if he turns out to be scum is a factor, yes.

Anyway, i'd like that claim.

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231: Xtoxm says cop shouldn't be investigating the masons. This I do not like. Think about it: Xtoxm has said they were confirmed town to each other. Thus, they are either both town, or both scum. That means that a cop investigation would be able to clear or criminalise both of them. That's by no means a bad investigation (I am not saying a cop should necessarily investigate them; I am simply saying that there are good reasons for such an investigation)

This makes me very happy with a Volkan lynch today.

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tl;dr version:

"Ugh. Mason claim from my two top mislynches. I'll see if I can salvage a cop investigation on them, though."

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I've always referred to PTP's as townie's and VT's as vanilla's.

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Posts in this thread are starting to get too long. I find this usually causes most of the players to become disinterested. I haven't read the latest batch, i'm not looking forward to trying it, infact it's unlikely that I will.

I think we should just lynch Volkan.

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Bio if you really are doc i'm disappointed you CCed - I would have called for a Vol lynch regardless of him claiming that.

Vol should be lynched

Now

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And should have been ages ago.

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UNVOTE; VOTE:Pryo

New strategy, neither one of you hangs, and we watch how it unfolds.

<sarcasm> Any VTs wanna claim? It'd be a nice change. </sarcasm>

No.

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I want Vol lynched today.

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Look, it's not worth it for Bio-Scum to CC doc on Day One just to get one mislynch, especially with so little suspicion on him.

It's fucking obvious Volkan is scum, and this claim is just to reveal the doc, and it's worked. Doc's shouldn't CC D1 IMO, just means they die N1, can't protect whoever they're there to protect.

But now it's happend, lynch Vol.

I will not accept any other lynch today.

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unvote

incase he isnt lying

FFS NO

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Confirm Vote: Volkan

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Yeh I guess...But still, it means the doc dies and leaves the PR's open for scum to kill that he's meant to protect. If it became standard then it wouldn't be a problem...But yeh guess that won't happen.

Though if it ever happens to me, think I might try out the waiting to claim thing, see how it goes

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That might be a point, actually. Probably couldn't have lynched him today with no CC.

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Given how today has gone, i'm worried someone I think is town is going to get vigged.

I don't think Pyro is scum.

That's all...

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General read. Not going to go into any more than that today, anyways.

Please vote for Volkan, Shez. Why did you post without voting him?

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Yay! Lynch

But no Bio tomorrow

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Nice kill OP, I was hoping he'd die at night, but I didn't want to direct your kill.

I'd have thought RBT would be revealed as Mason, that's kinda odd. Guess it's a hidden property.

Wonder why Rhinox killed him instead of me...

Anyway, I do actually have an intended lynch target for today, but not sure I should say it yet...

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I still don't like Pyro. Between being doc and the aggression on Pyro at the last second, Bio was the ideal NK for scum pyro.

vote pyro

ummm claiming doc would draw a scum anybody nk anyways....
I don't see how that can be linked to me at all.
Yeah he was looking at me, but so were you.
Anyways, I thought OP may have been SK, but looks like rhinox was.
If RBT was a mason, would it have shown in his death scene?

Why are you questioning this? He confirmed the claim was real, and has now be revealed as town.

Are you implying that you think i'm Volkan's buddy?

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To stop scum knowing who I want to lynch.

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Cleared townies have to keep their cards closer to their chests than others, because if me and OP were to be detailed about our suspicions it just basically tells scum exactly who to kill.

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So you're saying that it isn't a lynch target for today then? If that's so, then we lynch pyro. He's obv scum.

I'm not certain yet, no, and unfortunatley my vote solely isn't enough for a lynch.

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Cleared townies have to keep their cards closer to their chests than others, because if me and OP were to be detailed about our suspicions it just basically tells scum exactly who to kill.

Actually, bollocks to that, the scum already know who they're killing, me and OP are clear...Duh.

Well.

I think EA is scum.

I have quite a strong town read on Pyro atm, I do not endorse his lynch at all.

Vote EA

CKD and GF also make me very uncomfortable.

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No, he wasn't.

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More than the number of scum in this game hopped off Volkan. People in general believe/are too scared to lynch power-role claims. You yourself defeat that argument by saying you unvoted.

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I didn't accuse you of being scum.

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No, my point is, how can you say it's a scumtell when you have knowledge that a confirmed townie did the exact same thing?

Does this not make it a legitimate town thought process/action?

And thus, not a scumtell?

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I think you are both town and having you both squabbling like this is most frustrating.

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Heh.

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Way I see it, fix will force a mislynch on Pyro when me and OP are gone, so today is basically lylo.

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lynch me if yo uhave a problem with it..

I've seen CKD say things like this as scum. He wasn't exactly looking great anyway. Game isn't going places atm.

Unvote Vote CKD

GF and EA still my other top suspects.

Think Shez needs replacing.

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CKD, claim.

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Yes.

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Refusing to claim ins't helping your case, CKD.

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Ah. I hadn't actually considered that. But yeh.

Unvote Vote Pyro

This is looking pretty good now. Scum can only kill one power.

CKD for vig imo, but yeh pretty much anything works. We'll either get a new cop result or an extra vig kill.

As discussed yesterday, I think cop claim today is just the best way to go. If you'd waited, and it got in lylo tomorrow, we'd have to make a decision about believing you or not.

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Actually, we do need some co-ordination, so you don't target same person.

One of you needs to make your target public.

There's also a fair chance last scum is GF, assuming Fix is real.

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If that does end that game, then i'd say it's very town sided...3 powers, masons, and 2 small opposing scum teams?

I hope it doesn't end. That would be too easy.

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Sounds of it, when Pyro gets lynched i'll have gone from being in 4 Mini's to being in one in the course of about a day.

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No. Once he'd claimed that i'd be dead set on you.

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Well, you were actually the one I wanted to go for next, after Volkan, and I was hoping you'd get vigged.

Between my being clear and OP's kill I can't see you having made it.

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X, just so maybe I can play a better SK next time, did you think I might be SK, or did you think I was mafia defending Vol?

I thought you were mafia, I hadn't even considered an SK. Didn't surprise me to see you flip SK though. Still a scum role.