Why?In post 2402, Hu Tao wrote: Gunsmith seems sus idk
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Its what made me start thinking it, but I made a post that due to the scum inventor, and the roles they give out, that I felt it also kind of may make sense from a mech pov?In post 2418, Elements wrote: Also I've seen here and there people saying it's probably a 2 player red team
but I also have in my head that that was based off something dragon said and now dragon has flipped red is that not like, the worst thing to base things off?thomith could be a court jester
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This is what made me genuinely consider it as an option.In post 2211, Thomith wrote: Day 1
9 Town 3 Scum - Let's say we mislimmed here
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8 town 3 scum - Compulsive Vig BG shot gets given out + scum kill
Day 2
7 town 3 scum - let's say we mislimmed here
Night 2
6 town 3 scum - vig bg shot gets used and the second one gets given
Day 3
4 town 3 scum ELo
Even if we lim correctly in hypothetical Day 3 ELo, we still just lose because of the vig bg shot.
I get this is worst case scenario, but the fact that's even possible is what's making me almost convinced it's not 3 scum.
I'll stop there now, I hear y'all saying to focus on other stuff.thomith could be a court jester
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The reason why later on I believed that may not be true, is because when I looked later, there's no multitasking in this game.thomith could be a court jester
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Been busy today, will aim to catch up later.
I'm a Villager.thomith could be a court jester
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If I've missed something (i probably have) let me know and I'll go looking, but why are we assuming all PR's are town?thomith could be a court jester
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I understand Hu Tao, Dave and Jackson being cleared in this scenario.In post 2637, Duelist Kage wrote: Here's what I've got:
Claims
Duelist Kage:JOAT (Follower on Elements N1, Gunsmith on Black N2, ModifierCop)
Gypyx:Lazy Inventor (announcing FruitVendor to Black N2, Cop-Inventor to Black N1, compulsive personal Strengthener, Macho)
JacksonVirgo:Inventor (?)
davesaz:VT?
Elements:JOAT 2xSimple Compulsive Combined Jailkeeper+Vanilla Cop (on davesaz N1, Hu Tao N2)
Enchant:?
Thomith:VT
Hu Tao:VT
In 2-wolf world:
Duelist Kageis clear from confirmed Follower information on Elements' N1 action
Elementsis clear from Duelist Kage's Follower results showing that she used JK+Vanilla Cop N1 because Dragon dispensed an invention to Black or Katsuki and remaining wolf would be expected to make a NK
Hu Taois clear from Elements' N1 Vanilla Cop because remaining wolf cannot be Vanilla due to confirmed Godfather and dave's claim of receiving wolf's invention showing that the second wolf must also be a Backup
davesazis clear from Elements' N2 Vanilla Cop for same?? (waiting on confirmation)
JacksonVirgois clear from dispensing an invention to Hu Tao N1 because Dragon dispensed an invention to Black or Katsuki and remaining wolf would be expected to make a NK
Thomith is unsorted
Enchant is unsorted
Gypyx is unsorted
Plan:
Flip Enchant
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Duelist Kage uses ModifierCop on Gypyx to confirm she has Lazy modifier rather than Compulsive
davesaz targets Thomith with vig invention
Jackson does something
Gypyx gives Macho to Jackson to confirm wolf count
Hu Tao maybe uses an invention
Elements bloops
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Gypyx remains to be sorted- if dave is still alive he was lying about getting the wolf invention and his gambit is done for- he can't claim to have been protected because we're not going to do that now that we've got all this info out, right?
Kage confirms or refutes Gypyx's modifiers
Jackson confirms whether Gypyx's Macho invention was received to give info on remaining wolves
I know, Jackson is going to want to plan for the 3-wolf world, but I think this is a good start to that at least. Feel free to take it from here.
I don't understand why Kage and Elements are though. Without multitasking, and with no kill N1, is there not a world where these are scum PRs?thomith could be a court jester
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If we're ready I'll hammer.
Sorry I haven't really been about.thomith could be a court jester
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Well the 2 scum theory was wrongthomith could be a court jester
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This is why I didn't understand why we were lock towning all the PR claims.thomith could be a court jester
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If I was meant to receive the Macho modifier I didn't by the way (assuming I'd get told if I did)thomith could be a court jester
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Ima be honest with how hard JV has been pushing me as scum most of the game I'm struggling to lock in a TR on them, even if logic is making me think they're probably town..thomith could be a court jester
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Gotcha didn't know that changed.In post 2693, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Kage was supposed to get itIn post 2692, Thomith wrote: If I was meant to receive the Macho modifier I didn't by the way (assuming I'd get told if I did)thomith could be a court jester
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You literally said I should be vigged last nightIn post 2696, JacksonVirgo wrote:
What? I haven't pushed you since D1In post 2694, Thomith wrote: Ima be honest with how hard JV has been pushing me as scum most of the game I'm struggling to lock in a TR on them, even if logic is making me think they're probably town..thomith could be a court jester
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Again the argument there is probably moot because logic is telling me you are probably town, I'm just paranoid.thomith could be a court jester
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Is there a list of claims somewhere?
Don't need to link me the post, just who sent it if we know so I can look it up/bump it.thomith could be a court jester
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I'm wondering if scum jumped on my 2 scum theory to try and create conf bias for us to not think we were in ELo when we were.thomith could be a court jester
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Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?In post 2705, Gypyx wrote: Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights wentthomith could be a court jester
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GotchaIn post 2710, Gypyx wrote:
I meanIn post 2708, Thomith wrote:
Then the redacted PMs of the wolves would be a mod lie?In post 2705, Gypyx wrote: Actually, maybe wolves simply don't have access to the factional kill? That would explain how nights went
they have access to the kill theoretically but if they're all some compulsive *whatever* they can't actually perform itthomith could be a court jester
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Idk, since I was the main one to present it I feel like they could push it pretty hard then blame me for it being my idea.In post 2711, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I think it's fairly likely scum would be the people who let it happen passively and not push it hard like Kage didIn post 2706, Thomith wrote: I'm wondering if scum jumped on my 2 scum theory to try and create conf bias for us to not think we were in ELo when we were.thomith could be a court jester
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With the invention you got from JV would you say they're likely town?In post 2714, Gypyx wrote: making kage's modifier cop an actual cop
I fear my paranoia is making it hard for me to commit to a read on them. (I keep seeing "gotcha" moments that I think I'm only seeing because I'm paranoid/tunelled)thomith could be a court jester
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Like my paranoia is telling me that JV being adamant it probably wasn't 2 scum was potentially TMI, but I fully aware this is probably me being paranoid.thomith could be a court jester
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Also nobody ever let me do setup spec again.thomith could be a court jester
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You're making it so hard to break my paranoia on youIn post 2738, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Oh, that's a good fuckin' point. I didn't really think that much, I think my internal bias of the game is gonna end soon was making me think the choice was useless but you're right I should haveIn post 2733, Gypyx wrote:
why'd you give out neighborizer over role guard this night thoughIn post 2729, JacksonVirgo wrote: Yeah I agree, I think I misplayed the order I was giving but I didn't know the game was going to turn out the way it did. I felt the others were much strongerthomith could be a court jester
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Logically I think it should just be between Me/Hu Tao?
4 VTs in this setup though makes me unsure?thomith could be a court jester
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So yeah, wolves likely can now maul.thomith could be a court jester
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What inventions did you get again, and when did you get them?In post 2776, Hu Tao wrote: The reason I thought elements was lying at first was because I thought jailkept was a rolestopper too and I got an invention n2. But then I asked mod just in case and they confirmed I would still get an invention n2 even if I was jailkept. I didn't want anyone to know I got 2 inventions so I played it off as a jokethomith could be a court jester
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Fair enough.In post 2782, Hu Tao wrote: I'd rather have someone claim itthomith could be a court jester
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So to confirm, you're saying that you were given an invention shot of something that hasn't been claimed to be something that can be given out by one of the claimed inventors?thomith could be a court jester
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Duelist Kage got Vig/BgIn post 2784, Hu Tao wrote: Also did anyone get a vig shot last night?thomith could be a court jester
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Is it a detrimental something, or do you not even wanna give that much away?In post 2788, Hu Tao wrote: Ok so. Someone gave me something n2 and isn't claiming it?thomith could be a court jester
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If JV is town we were probably both kept alive in hopes they would mislim methomith could be a court jester
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Yes!In post 2805, Gypyx wrote: did we even make use of a single invention this game
It looks like multiple people ended up eliminating themselves with vig shots!thomith could be a court jester
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I mean that isn't what Hu Tao said at all..In post 2807, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Hu Tao claims to have used the detective last night and got nothing OwOIn post 2805, Gypyx wrote: did we even make use of a single invention this gamethomith could be a court jester
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@JV (do you prefer JV or Jackson?)In post 2772, Hu Tao wrote: Also I used a detective shot last night. And it was useless of course. I got Kage has never killed anyone
This is the result.
Unless by nothing you mean useless info. In that case that's just semantics I guess.thomith could be a court jester
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Low key a detective shot in this vigilante chaos is very funnythomith could be a court jester
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That's a little rudethomith could be a court jester
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This thought crossed my mind for a second too, somi think it's definitely possible.In post 2823, JacksonVirgo wrote: When this thought popped in my head I actually laughed, cuz it's the smartest thing. What if Hu Tao is attempting to sow doubt in the inventors by fake-claiming they received an invention that nobody is claiming, hoping it causes enough doubt that they cross-vote each other.thomith could be a court jester
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So I*thomith could be a court jester
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Do we just send it and hope we are right, or do people want to deep dive into anything else?thomith could be a court jester
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Actually I changed my mind immediately in still paranoid, let's not do it yetthomith could be a court jester
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Wasn't there not compulsive in the modifier cop results, which means Gypyx should be town because of the (assumed) No wolf kills?thomith could be a court jester
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Then I'm blind nevermindthomith could be a court jester
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Is Macho not a modifier?thomith could be a court jester
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Explains why it didn't show up in the result then.thomith could be a court jester
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I'm just trying to see of there are any holes at all in the claims, just to make sure something hasn't been missed.thomith could be a court jester
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I just wanted to make sure we hadn't missed a slip up in the claims, not necessarily suspecting you.In post 2844, Gypyx wrote: reminder i wasn't aware of the modifier cop when claiming and also that it kinda doesn't make sense to give scum one of the only roles that's somewhat consistent in terms of town utility
if you think i'm still worthy of suspicion we could always no kill ofc, but idk if it's best to dilute our town voicesthomith could be a court jester
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This.In post 2856, Gypyx wrote: yeah likewise
i'm stuck between the wish to make sure i don't miss something obvious but also not wanting to paranoia myself into missing the scum in plain sight
I want to vote Hu Tao I think. I'm just so fucking worried I've missed a slip up.
I'm also paranoid the JV TMI paranoia is right and I'm just discarding it because of "logic"thomith could be a court jester
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I feel like if we no lim I just get left in a Hu Tao/JV/Me ELo and that doesn't solve any of my concerns.thomith could be a court jester
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VOTE: Hu Tao
Fuck it we ball.
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I'm so so worried that its JVthomith could be a court jester
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I hate it.thomith could be a court jester
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Thomith He/TheyMafia ScumHe/They
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I can't wait for this to be a 4 scum setup.thomith could be a court jester
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Thomith He/TheyMafia ScumHe/They
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Fuck.
I should have trusted myself.
GG.thomith could be a court jester
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Knowing about how the lazy modifier was there for means I don't think this setup either 3 scum is scum sided anymore, I just think it's super swingythomith could be a court jester
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With* not eitherthomith could be a court jester
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Also this is getting siggedIn post 1639, Dannflor wrote: thomith could be a court jesterthomith could be a court jester
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