Mini 739 ~ Mafia Jailbreak, Game Over
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Vote: bionicchop2I use random votes to punish avvies i don't like."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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What's EM? If it's what i think it is, then i just joined it like, yesterday, and this is an insane coincidence.bionicchop2 wrote:Hey RC - just so you know, I am MrShow on EM."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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well, something like that automatically has a reason or purpose..."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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he confirmed, he didn't post. don't think he knows the game started"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Selective scumhunting, that's a buzzword..
BC has brought up SKs specifically, and emphasized the threat they hold to the town. If he were scum, this could help ensure the SK get lynched, which makes lots of sense, since the mafia have to double shoot SKs to kill them according to the role pms.
Of course, maybe he just thinks SKs are bad for the town and hard to find (which is true). So maybe he's town helping us.
If he's SK, he's done something that is very bad for himself.
Those are all the "my wine" choices of WIFOM motivations for all the BC's alignments. Everyone here seems seasoned, so i think they can all infer the opposite (but not always equal) gains or losses for doing the same action with the same alignment.
The spread on the "my wine" gains looks something like:
Mafia: +++
Town: +
SK: ----
Really, i think those kinds of spreads can be dangerously bad for the brain. Your mind sort of bounces back and forth between the obvious reasoning and the possible concealed reasoning for the discussion, and then eventually decides to discount SK and settle into: meh, simply town. So i guess what i'm saying is... after overanalyzing BC (i decided too since there's not going on right now), i'm going to count the SK discussion against him more than i would initially, because i think i'd do it if i was scum."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm trying to join the talk-about-nothing-like-you're-getting-paid club."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The +'s and -'s were the direct gains from BC's SK discussion, not including the resulting WIFOM assumptions that the player does or does not have that alignment since the action was partakened.
I don't know why Korts is voting me, i thought we were all trying to start discussion. Wasn't he the one saying one can even resort to jokes to get discussion going? I couldn't think of anything funny.
Huntress is being an annoying hairsplitter right now. "i never said i don'twantto random vote, i just didn't. I never said Iwon'trandom vote, just not right now". Look, Huntress, cheetah thing, i dunno if you're town or scum, but if you keep the conversation around hairsplits i'm going to get confused and screw up the game. I don't know about anyone else's capacities for nonsense, i don't have much. So please, stop it.
Apparently jokes are the only appropriate way of starting discussion Korts. A question for you: A cowboy rides into town on Friday. He stays in town for three days, no more. Then he leaves town on Friday. How is this possible?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Friday is his horse."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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What walks on four legs at first, then at two, and then finally on three?Korts wrote:
Is that all you have to say?popsofctown wrote:Friday is his horse.
Let me help. Did you admit to posting for the sake of posting? Why did you post for the sake of posting? Why did you admit to it?
I'm trying to make a point. My make-talk post was no more unuseful than jokes made during the RVS, which you seem to encourage. Just like i would admit to telling that joke to get talk going, i'll admit the other post was trying to get talk going. I don't lie about what I'm doing when i play town."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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what the crap!! i killed my post ((
@Rhinox (again, ugh)
RC is saying that we should assume the worst until better is proven. Ok, sure. The way he discusses it though is not as curt it should be though, which gives me a slight scum vibe. I've decided to read this player mostly on meta, because when i read him just like everyone else he consistently slips by, so i might be using poorly explained reasons some this game, i'll try to be glass man like Korts as much as possible though.
Rhinox says we can't really hunt an SK specifically today, so who cares. Ok, sure. Don't really get an alignment vibe from him. I'll have him know that Natirasha totally won a game with his self-vote once though. It's a legit strat.
OGML has his head on the ground, basically, the SK discussion itself isn't going to do anything positive. He kinda seems towner than not.
@Rishi- i was continuing with the jokes to make a point to Korts. They're actually riddles but everyone's letting me call them jokes since i needed to make a point and couldn't think of a joke. Such nice people here. This joke is just to spite Rishi:
What has mail, never clinking,
A mouth, always drinking,
And two eyes, never blinking?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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[quote="RhinoxRegarding Korts vs. Pops, I don't find pops' jokes, or the talk about nothing comment to be scummy[/quote]
Did they become suspicious when you decided you could make up a full case?Rhinox wrote:Rishi wrote:Also, any suspicions I have of bio (or RC) for continuing the sk theory discussion are currently being overshadowed by pops 82,and his riddles.
The thing about me pre-emptively saying my reasoning against RC might be poorly explained is more or less fair. I probably shouldn't say something like that, but instead just explain on each instance the meta-significance of why i might find him suspicious, try to explain how it rel.ates to my other game with him, etc.
Natirasha was town in the game i referenced, i'll try to find it for Rhinox. It directly lead to lots of suspicioun on my scumpartner, which pressured us into a gambit, which lost us the game due to a technicality."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Legit complaint. Sorry, I'll try to make it clear, i know it sucks to be misquoted... I thought the exaggeration/parody was clear enough though.Huntress wrote: Oh, by the way, if you are going to put people's words in quotes, make sure it reallyiswhat they said, not just your interpretation of it. Or at least make it clear that it's not an actual quote.
The first bold is me saying he didn't answer his questions as curtly as he could. It's suspicious, especially in terms of his meta. See, there you go Rhinox, i was warning you there might be questions about the way i evaluate RC and there's already been some.Huntress wrote:
Can you clarify what mean by the bits I've bolded please? I see Rhinox has already asked about the "poorly explained reasons" so I needn't repeat that.popsofctown wrote:RC is saying that we should assume the worst until better is proven. Ok, sure. The way he discusses it though isnot as curt it should bethough, which gives me a slight scum vibe. I've decided to read this player mostly on meta, because when i read him just like everyone else he consistently slips by, so i might be using poorly explained reasons some this game,i'll try to be glass man like Kortsas much as possible though.
The second bold is me making metaphors and hoping people keep up. It's cool when they do. Korts said earlier in this game he keeps his thoughts [near-perfect paraphrase] "In-thread instead of in-head", in an attempt to be transparent. So i was saying i'll try to be like that as much as i can.
RC's mafia playstyle runs on buddying and sheer Texan moxyHuntress wrote: I don't like the way RedCoyote kicked off the discussion about self-voting then just let it run without commenting further. I also didn't like his buddying up to me in post 51. (I apologise if it was a genuine compliment but I'm wary of such in these games and that one seemed a bit overdone. )"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I wasn't defending or answering for RC. You asked me this:Rhinox wrote:
Regardless, I don't think it changes anything, unless pops can tell me that the paragraph in question had any point other than to defend/answer for RCbio wrote: Is that how you read the statement, or are you getting something else out of it?
You asked me what i thought about RC's comments about SK. I summarized his position, said how i felt about his position, and then mentioned that i thought his answers were slightly scummy. How do you get answered for or defended out of that? I didn't even know, nor do i know now, of any questions you asked RC or any pressure you had on him.Rhinox wrote: Pops: Anything you can divine from from the rest of the conversation about sks?what do you think of RC's comments about SK? What do you think about mine? What about OGML's?
I still regret my declaration about poorly explained reasoning. I should have handled that on a case by case basis and not worried about it. If it's still scummy to you, okay, let it stand."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Rhinox wrote: ...
I'm really playing like a (Village) Idiot this game...lame, but true excuse: all 4 of my games I'm in got extremely active at the same time, the last couple days, and because of that I've been playing extremely crappy - i.e. not typing things the way I intend them to me, and now blatently forgetting which questions I've asked to which players.Also, without getting too sentimental, I've been looking forward to this game ever since Vi PMed me the list of pre-ins. This game is pretty much full of great players, and I was looking forward to the opportunity to prove I could run with some of the best mafiascum.net has to offer. The end result is me being a bit off my game, trying too hard, being a bit flustered, and looking like a big idiot.
So, to show you can run with the best, you start massive usage of appeal to emotion? This is so full of ironic phail it makes me laugh.
I feel quite quoted out of context. The component of the attack that was about me defending RC, that's complete bantha pudu and that doesn't stand. The component about me announcing that i would use RC's meta later on: i agree i probably didn't need to announce that. It's retracted to the highest degree possible on a forum without editing.Rhinox wrote: Question for pops though (I'll remember asking this one): If roles were reversed, and someone used that attack on me that I used on you, I would have reacted a little differently, more like "WTF! you just asked me for my opinion on it... what the hell are you talking about?" You seemed like you were willing to give me a pass:
Why were you so unphased by my obviously contradictory attack and so willing to just let me leave my vote there? ...just seems odd to me...pops wrote:If it's still scummy to you, okay, let it stand.
Pretty unforgivable stuff i've been putting out here, eh?Rhinox wrote: Thats an inaccurate representation of my feelings. I didn't think pops was explaining the buzzword, I thought (think) popswas trying tobe WIFOMy anddivine whether bio's discussion made him more likely scum, town, or sk.
I noticed everyone got the most pissed about riddles after that last one. It's okay if you guys don't want to simply admit you don't know the answer ."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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some other people won't admit it though.. :tease:"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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BC's riddling power is greater than thine, Rhinox"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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[quote="Jahudo""i never said i don't want to random vote, i just didn't.”I can’t find her version of saying that.[/quote]
This is after she said she wouldn't be randomly voting.Huntress wrote:
What makes you think I don't want to random vote?Rhinox wrote:Huntress: Why don't you want to random vote?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Vote: RhinoxI challenged him on appeal to emotion, and more or less all i'm getting is him saying that that's the only defense he has for himself. Issues like totally misinterpreting me (ties in with "scum skim threads") and contradicting himself about his suspicions (ties in with scum aren't genuinely suspicious of anyone) are major issues. Appeal to emotion just makes it worse.
Someone earlier said took a shot at Korts(?) I didn't mean to attack Korts earlier, only his position on what kind of discussion is appropriate early-game. I think at the page content and development of content we were at, my fluffy analysis of BC was appropriate, the way we agree votes not based on much are appropriate early on and the same way, i think, Korts thinks random joke votes and jokes about those votes is good early on to start discussion. But if anyone implied i was trying to attack Korts himself, that's not what i intended and i hope he doesn't feel that way(?)"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I know.
But i'll take any chance i can to tell my riddles. It's fun making Rhinox's head sore.
I would say that me and Korts have very different playstyles (after ~not being with him in two games i can't comment on because they aren't completed.) I think i can read him better than he reads me though. Korts tends to be like "wtf what is this pops thing", but he's a rational guy so i can tell what he's doing and thinking. Not saying anything about alignments in all that. Oh noes!! the fluff not the fluffs!!! we will suffocate in the horrendous bunny fluffy fluffs and aaaahhhhhmmmmmmm...."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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MOD: Blot out the answers to the riddles before MyMilkedEek downloads it. MME needs more stess and confusion in his life."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Dead serious"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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gotta hurry though"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'll give you a replacement IOU. :DDD"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Wait, what? I don't remember doing that. My mind is under Vi's control.... aughhhhh!"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Korts, why are you voting me again?
Rishi: Is my case against Rhinox valid enough for a vote? Is Korts' and iamusername and rest ofcrapwagon's arguments valid enough for a vote on me?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Spyrex, everyone in this thread complains about fluff, perhaps without the keyword. 12 players is a lot in a game and i just haven't really addressed you i guess. It's OK. Everyone's inner child wants popsofctown to pay attention to them.popsofctown wrote:Vote: RhinoxI challenged him on appeal to emotion, and more or less all i'm getting is him saying that that's the only defense he has for himself.Issues like totally misinterpreting me (ties in with "scum skim threads") and contradicting himself about his suspicions (ties in with scum aren't genuinely suspicious of anyone) are major issues. Appeal to emotion just makes it worse.
I'm giving specific attention to Rishi because he has no vote right now, and i'd like to hear some opinions with him. I figure my case on Rhinox would either put him one way or the other. I already know where you stand, you're voting me are you not?
I'd also like to hear the points on me because i want to know what the most important points against me are."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Sometimes he's longwinded, and sometimes he can't get to the point faster (usually when he's not lying about something it would seem to me. I haven't played with him as town, but sometimes he's lying about something and sometimes he's addressing points that aren't lies. In retrospect those are less longwinded). The quote sort of represents the game as a whole really.nureins wrote:
Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta...coyote wrote: Hatchet, you asked me if I thought Shuga was suspicious.
In what context do you mean? Of course I think it's possible that she, or anyone here, is scum, but I don't find her specifically suspicious. I would never go so far as to say someone is 100% safe (aside from myself) but for the time being I'm much more suspicious of your and your agenda than I am of her.
Such a discourse. Worried about what you have said maybe...
There you go. If it's a legit tell, now he's acutely aware of it and it won't happen again. The guy's nearly unreadable and you take what little scraps i can put together away from me. It makes me very very emo kid."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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@ Spyrex: I picked Rishi because when i think, i remember where he stands the least. I felt like going one at a time. Deal with it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It's ok Spyrex. Toad is back, making everyone subliminally think i'm town.
You guys could lynch me for trolling this thread. But we all know that itself is not good play ~"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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gosh, walls.
When did spyrex ask me a question, and what question was it? Maybe i thought it was rhetorical."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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but... then i can't work on my physics homework. which is like, due soon. can i find it later? i'll find it later. no one tell me. It'll totally spoil my curiosity and wonder. but i will come back to this thread. And find it later. gaureanteed."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Which question was it that Spyrex is upset about? Is it where he wants a resummary of my case on Rhinox?
In other news, i'm about as sure about Rhinox being scum right now as i am about RC. I have another meta-rooted tell for RC, which may or may not be valid. Do you want me to tell it to RC in front of you all so he can correct it again? I could, but i hope you people see why it might make me feel like i'm running on a treadmill."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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either way, that tell is good, sounvote, vote RedCoyote
Either Rhinox or RC is lynchalicious right now. RC needs teh pressure more though."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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tbh, i'm additionally very impressed with your case on him, although i hate to me-too"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I know, right!?
Spyro will soon be here to chastise me for it though. Use the fire breath, it's super effective against my mushroomy head."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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@Huntress- i have a good answer for you're good question
Not that you're question actually has a statement within it, set off by commas. I believed the statement to be incorrect (it stemmed from us having different meanings of "post"), and i think correcting false statements holds enough weight for me to intervene.Huntress wrote:
Yet my non-vote has caused more discussion so far than any vote.Rhinox wrote:hmmm... those are 2 options for sparking serious discussion. Another option is random votes, which huntress has not done.
And a question: Why are you not mentioning My Milked Eek, who also posted without voting?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh, i got you beat username, this quicklynch isn't even based on a tell:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 78&start=0
I still think RC is scummy. His defense is scummy too."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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i had an argument with RC about alignment-based-ad hom.
But basically, Rhinox is adhomming himself. it's kind of funny."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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there's obviously time for you to change your mind, Vi. Modsanta will still bring you presents this christmas, i promise."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I think RC is trying to tie himself to me actually. Defending me, but not addressing any accusations i make against him (addressing everyone else's instead). And then the awkward turtle FoS he made that one time, that was weird.
I don't know how relevant that thought is, but i'd like to have it on file. Does anyone else get this impression?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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@RC- since when do you wait to be addressed before responding? You've just taken an atypically small initiative about interacting with me.
The meta-tell that really sets my vote on RC right now is discussing non-alignment based point excessively. In my newbie game, he would frequently find things that didn't have to do about his alignment (like SK discussion) and get on a soapbox and rant and rave and get lots of text up fast. He seems to be discussing SK more than he needs to, he even makes his difference of opinion with Rhinox part of his case. I pretty strongly think it's RC scum.. es decir, as much as i am capable of detecting RC scum (because i totally fingered him innocent in my first game), then this is it right here."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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NO KORTS DON'T LEAVE MEEE!!! Who will be here to push crapwagons on me T_T!!!"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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OGML: have you read Don Quijote? I'm reading it in school right now, i really like it. Have you read it?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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whoa whoa whoa OGML, if RC has a claim it should be earlier rather than later? We're all mature consenting mafia players here, no one's going to quickhammer unless they're scum in this group. We've plenty of time. If you have a serious case about Rhinox possibly being a scum power role, then we want an L-1 claim from Rhinox, not from RC."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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oh come ooooooooon spyrex lighten up"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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MME will never catch up to this thread.
Harrumph, i don't recall any questions from huntress, but i found this. I guess she just wants me to talk about the RC tying himself thing? I've never seen something like this before. Yes it makes me nervous, and if he's scum it's a pretty good tactic because i'm at that medium level of suspicion that the tie would get me D2 lynched pretty easily based on connection. So without precedent about what to do about that sort of thing, i decided to call it out. I hope you guys realize how strange his reaction to my calling it out was, if iirc, he started talking about his strong suspicions on me that he had supposedly had for a long time (i don't remember hearing about them) and somewhat forcedly talking about how much he'd like to see me burn.Huntress wrote:
I'm waiting to hear more from Pops before replying to this one.RedCoyote 252 wrote:
How is being comfortable with lynching someone "tying themselves" to them? Both you and OGML brought this up, and I flatly disagree.Huntress 244 wrote:Yes, I had noticed. It's interesting that you're nervous about it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Does that include me?SpyreX wrote: Its like you two want me to want to lynch you, I swear.
I actually do want you to hate me, in this funny trollish way. I don't want to actually get lynched though, that'd kind of suck for everyone involved.
Maybe i should quit antagonizing you, since your tunneling is probably a net negative for the town (although it is giving me reads off you, which i like).
Hm... to annoy SpyreX, or take this game seriously....
I taste really good dipped in salt and special sauce SpyreX. Especially if i'm flamebroiled.SpyreX wrote: I'm just not seeing it on either wagon and I'm aggravated to no end that I cant devote enough time / words / special sauce to get pops on the radar."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Rhinox, you seem less scummy to me right now. But i can't clearly decide if i feel that way because of your massive AtE or because of actual evidence you've shown. So now i have to lynch you. Do you see how that lurks?
If it is going to come down to lynch Rhinox or not today that is. Perhaps the premature claim works with the possibility of jailkeepers?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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*works.
not a freudian slip i swear. Actually it possibly is for a different game..."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Making a scum claim Spyrex?SpyreX wrote: Chance of 1 scum in that grouping: 100%"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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In the past few pages, i've been getting less gut feeling about Rhinox being scum. Is it because she's actually town, or because she appeals to emotion every other post? I can't say which. So i would think i need to err on the side of uncharitable judgments, since he's the one who's using appeal-to-emotion for his defense.Huntress wrote:
Huh?pops 276 wrote:Rhinox, you seem less scummy to me right now. But i can't clearly decide if i feel that way because of your massive AtE or because of actual evidence you've shown. So now i have to lynch you. Do you see how thatlurksworks?
I would definitely suggest you read my games Huntress, because your read on me right now is wrong.
You ain't got nothin' on me coppaaaaa.SpyreX wrote:Unapologetically unhelpful (see the you aint got nothin on me coppa defense) + hiding in plain sight + bandwagon voting = delicious scum cookie.
Come take a bite.
For serious though, i'm not scum here. I'm not hiding in plain sight, no one's addressed game-related content to me and then i've avoided it. There's a question, one question in this sea of walls, that you supposedly asked but i never answered.
Bandwagon voting? I really think RC is scum. This looks like RC scum. I don't know how i can explain this better. He loves to hide behind aspects of the game that don't bear on his alignment when he's scum. That's one of the only tells i can recognize off him.
nunununununununoooo. You guys don't understand. If i don't read RC based on some kind of meta, i won't be able to read him at all. The last game i played with him was very very long, and he posted very very lot, and i 99% thought he was town and he was scum. So it would logically follow that my ability to read RC as a normal player is about zero. If i were to use no meta, i would get a false negative on RC no matter what. Meta is my only hope of reading RC in any sort of capacity at all. If you guys don't understand or agree with my meta-based reasons for voting him, don't vote with me. But that's the way it's going to have to be.Moriarty147 wrote:So far it appears thatallof his scumtells are based off of meta. While in a game such as this, scum would probably be good enough to try to avoid making any overt scumtells, an overreliance on meta tells is disturbing, as it allows scum to hide behind votes for town without actually forming any hard evidence against them, therefore allowing them to lynch town easier. In other words, this is certainly not helping my opinion of him right now.
@whoever suggested RC has posted too much content to be scum: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. RC posts LOTS OF CONTENT when he's scum. Lots of content. This is a craptell."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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CF Riots wanted explication of this post.popsofctown wrote:Rhinox, you seem less scummy to me right now. But i can't clearly decide if i feel that way because of your massive AtE or because of actual evidence you've shown. So now i have to lynch you. Do you see how that lurks?
If it is going to come down to lynch Rhinox or not today that is. Perhaps the premature claim works with the possibility of jailkeepers?
The first part was me trying to explain why he oughtn't be doing so much AtE, at least if he's town he shouldn't. My gut feeling on him is and was moving towards town, but i don't know whether that's due to AtE, which affects one's judgment in an irrational/inefficient way. The word lurks instead of works is a bizzare switch of words, it should be "works", i correct it later. If i was lurking this game nineteen people and their mother could say it was a freudian slip but i'm definitely not lurking this game.
The second part is admittedly confusing. What i was addressing there is Rhinox's premature roleclaim. With a vanilla claim, you usually want to lynch the guy who made the claim, since if he's town it makes it easier for scum to shoot at power roles, if he's not town then duh he needs to be lynched. Not saying lynching a vanilla is better than lynching town, but lynching claimed-vanilla is definitely better than lynching a townie player with no claim out, it helps the town in night strategy. So i asked in that post whether maybe the jailkeeper has any sort of positive synergy with vanilla townies that would justify leaving Rhinox alive..
Rhinox is a tough case to call. Admittedly, all he's done is massive amounts of low level transgressions. We haven't caught him using deliberate logical fallacies, or chainsaw defending, or anything really scummy like that. Just WIFOM in AtE, one of the things that blend in the most with newbies. I think bionicchop is coming from the perspective of wanting to separate newbie from scum in that respect, but i think he's probably erring on the wrong side in this case.
@Spyrex- You would lynch me every single game for the same action because you thought it was scummy? Most the world agrees that self-voting has a positive correlation with being scum, would you lynch Natirasha every single game you played with him? You'd lose more than i would. I guarantee it.
If you really would lynch me even if you looked up my meta and it showed that i'm playing pops-town, i want you to tell me right now if you are trying to play to your win condition. Because if you are playing to you're win condition and that's really you're policy, i have no logical choice but to vote you."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Not if he answers my question and says "yes, i'm playing to my win condition.". Because that policy only plays to his win condition if he's scum. It's not a policy vote, it's an i-found-scum vote.CF Riot wrote: And if you meta'd SpyreX and found that this is his policy in all his town games, wouldn't you be committing the same act you're calling out by policy voting himpolicy voting you?for"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Ok, Spyrex is really miffing me off. He's being a total loser and not fulfilling his responsibility to this game. You aren't supposed to play a mafia game for the sake of fulfilling a vendetta against certain playstyles, or proving "yoohoo, i can make this group of people lose with me every game they play with me until i pound them into submission". That's not what you're supposed to be here for. My understanding is that you bring nothing into the game, and you play the game with no goals beyond the game you're playing, playing it to win. If you're town Spyrex, your win condition for this game is not prove a point to popsofctown. It is not punish popsofctown if he does something you don't like. It is lynch popsofctown if he's scum and leave him alive if he's town. My meta is available to you, BionicChop has brought it up. I don't defend myself with my meta, like has been said you can manipulate a meta and use it to your own advantage, so bringing it up myself would be ridiculous. But to flout your sig as being serious, that you play games and lynch people on policy instead of real scumhunting ticks me off. That's not what you owed me when you signed up for this game. You owed me to try and win this game, not follow a policy.
If you can show why his meta is bad, why in this instance meta isn't accurate on me, fine, fine. That's what RC is saying about himself. That's fine. RC wants to win this game. I know he does. But saying, oh, yeah, i bet he would do X whether he was town or scum, but i hate X so i'm just gonna lynch him is ridiculous and violates the commitment that you made to this game, unless i don't understand the point of the mafia games on the site i've been playing for quite a while."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Re: Redcoyote case: no one seems to understand my special treatment of RC. He's like K7, in a different way, evidence shows that i can't read him. In this case it's not because he won't post, it's because he's too good at this game. Since i became 99% sure of the incorrect result one time when he was scum, it's safe to say that my general scumhunting analysis of him is useless. The only hope i could have is a meta analysis.
It's like if i had two thermometers, and one of them told me that it was 99 degrees when i was in alaska. I'm not going to use that thermometer again.. at least not in alaska. I have another thermometer, and i'm not sure how good it is, but that's what i'll go buy.
The only two ways i think i could determine RC's alignment is by that second thermometer, possibly unreliable, possibly unaccurate, or if he flips. Since that second thermometer is red, all signs point to lynching him.
The whole meta thing aside, the reason i'm voting him is a general tell that's enhanced by his meta actually. I think it's clear that he's externalizing blame a lot, scummy, and that he talked about SK more than he needed to. Scum players naturally like to talk about things that don't bear on their alignment - it's easier to talk about, you don't have to fight through the lying. The SK discussion was just the thing, i think that's why RC jumped in headfirst and loved it.
@RC- where have i not answered you're questions? I'm sure it hasn't happened extensively, you can repeat them like anyone else would instead of whining about me not answering your questions after just one or two instances.
@CFRiot- My take on the premature claim is that we probably do need to lynch Rhinox. I think Rhinox has been scummy. The original misread and horribly crappy and desperate coverup is lynch reason enough, and the vanilla claim means we really ought to decide whether Rhinox is scum or not. Based on my own analysis of setup possibilities, a suspicious vanilla townie is useless in night strategy, a jailkeeper won't want to target him anyway since he won't get night killed.
So, since CFriot's inquistions are all the input i got about night strat,unvote, vote: Rhinox
Re: RC posts content when he's scum: RC does post lots of content when he's scum. The caps was mostly because it's a pain to read. I'm not saying him posting lots of content is a tell, that's ridiculous. I'm just saying that his posting much content is definitely not a towntell for him. Simple Bayes' theorem, he's not any less likely to post all that content when he's scum so don't count it in his favor.
I hope that answers you're question RC.
Since Rhinox could very well likely be the lynch for today, i think i'll be responsible and read some RC town. If BC is doing work i can do work. Do work, son!! I'll search for RC's games."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I read some RC-town. I didn't see anything that makes me feel better about his alignment in this game. He was having a lot less fun in that game than he's having now ~"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Money ball^^^. RC's odd interaction with me is another tell i have that i keep forgetting to mention. He had a very delayed reaction to my claim that i had a meta tell, and in the past few pages tries to give off the notion that he's been on my case the whole game when he hasn't at all, he's barely thrown any text my way. Maybe he's trying to line up lynches that way, or maybe he doesn't want us to realize that he's being opportunistic. Either way it's weird.Rhinox wrote:
Then why are your posts 90% focused on me, and very little focused on pops? I know... because you don't think you can convince the town to vote for pops, and you think that getting me lynched is the only way to prevent your own lynch...I do indeed think there are; I think pops sticks out like a sore thumb.
Rhinox's explanation of the overreaction to misreading the thread is pretty good, but it's several pages late. And sorry Rhinox, the unpressed Vanilla claiming definitely gives off the appearance that you are a newbie.
@iamausername- at least someone understands it. I don't think i'm going unnecessarily overboard with it, like i said, these things i'm picking up on are tells anyway, just put into a special context. And just one game is a very unfit diminutive.. it was a very, very long game. And it was actual one game + a bit of another one that isn't over and i can't really talk about."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm not trying to manipulate anyone's feelings. I'm trying to explain how disgusting your play is to you. It's not anti-town. It's anti-game. You're basically saying that you would totally ignore evidence just because it doesn't exist in this game's thread.SpyreX wrote:
Ok, first off - I like the giant appeal to emotion here. I am the big bad SpyreX, just hewing through the unprotected with my powers! Or, not. Thought that appeals to emotion were a bad thing.
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I'm not bringing up my own meta to defend myself. It's a seperate issue where one of the players in this game is saying he's going to intentionally lynch people for action X even if he has reason to believe action X isn't scummy in this instance. Tantamount to saying you don't play games to win condition, which ticks me off.
Tell me if you actually think meta is 100% useless in determining someone's alignment. If that's really how you feel, i won't be ticked because that means you're actual trying to play the game to win (either scumhunting or pretending to). You'd be pretty wrong, but you wouldn't be a tool. But your example about lynching a player consecutive games in a row for the same action seems to imply that you acknowledge its application and choose to flout it and policy lynch people.
Did you read the post?Spyrex wrote:IAUN wrote: No, it was a "RC does this asscum." This is part of his meta read and, thusly, if he is saying that he does it as scum AND as town thats a different issue. Either way, I don't like it.
I said @whoever said RC-posts-content is a town tell: RC posts content as scum. So, if he also does it as town, its a null tell. This is probably the case. If he doesn't post content as town, which would be bizzare, it's a scumtell. Either way, it's not a town tell. I only wished to refute someone saying it was a towntell. It's definitely not a towntell here."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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You guys need to play meat mafia.
Pretty much everyone uses card. Usually we do number cards=townie, ace or king is cop, queen is doctor, and the jacks are mafia."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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maybe i miss understood you.
you are naturally abrasive."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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