because he isn't the copGIEFF wrote:Why is that?mykonian wrote:At least this is better then a Panzer lynch.
Yes, lets lynch him. No lynch cannot be accepted, it would give us nothing.
Day one is just not the time. We don't know as much as we will day 2. It is just not a good call to make now, and I don't understand why you keep asking for a panzer-lynch.Goatrevolt wrote:I'm fine with carrying through on Qwints. I'm a little disturbed by those who would give Panzer a free pass merely for claiming cop. That can be discussed again tomorrow, though.
I think that is not exactly what I said. I said it was wasted energy to do itmykonian wrote:Tomorrow we are going to question panzers claim. There is no need to talk about it now, is there?
I hope this is clear enough. I didn't include two links, as I can't click them when I was typing, and I didn't know what it was about. I think the only thing you have against me is that I tunneled on you, and I'm sorry for that.GIEFF wrote:You DID assume he was cop. You referred to him as a PR, and immediately started looking for the next lynch-target.I don't even want to try to lynch a un-cc'ed cop day one. We got little information (day ones are not known for their scumlynches), and it is hard to think of a stronger Pr then the cop. It is just not done: It is bad play, and I think I explained in multiple posts, why I didn't want this: now you picked something out of it, and call it a slip, while I think everyone here got what I was trying to say
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More stuff before twilight hits to refer back to in case I get whacked:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 29#1529029
mykonian says BB is scum for focusing on me, even though Panzer made it clear I didn't lie. Yet mykonian has done the exact same thing.And I'm scummy for it, it was no correct play. See next point
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 83#1514183
Me countering the case that mykonian finally made after I repeatedly demanded he make one if he was going to continue attacking me. He soon after decided I wasn't really all that scummy, but said it was only because Panzer showed my case to be more valid than he thought. Even though Panzer had already done this. And even though that shouldn't be enough to go from attacking someone for 30 pages to assuming they must be done.In my defense, Sensfans recent post about this, came with exactly the same explanation as I did, and said it was obvious. I thought you were twisting his words. I found it very hard to understand that Panzer actually meant it that way.
mykonian kept pushing for Zilla to claim, even when she was down to L-4, and even though he later claimed he didn't want to lynch her.this has been talked over, again and again. Dourgrim posted then there were enough people for a Zilla lynch, and I reacted on that by asking for a claim, it was the logical play. I do agree that I should look better at the votecounts, and I should check dourgrims posts better.
mykonian called Zilla a townie on three separate occasions.
not again. The first time it could be a slip, but then I said it, based on the assumption that someone else was scum (who I was accusing). After that, the same reasoning counts mostly in my defence, and your slip theory doesn't work anymore. Like I would "slip" after you called me two times on it... It makes no sense GIEFF. I could just as easily say that as scum could do it.
GIEFF wrote:It was never about you wanting to lynch an un-cc'd cop. It was about you assuming immediately he was the legitimate cop, and trying to cut off any discussion about the potential for him to be scum. Nobody is arguing we lynch Panzer today.No, you are, and I want to cut it off, as it is wasted energy. I've seen several posts from you and Goat, that were about how scummy Panzer was: would you please look at the people that are lynchable?
The abrupt halt to the tunneling is a lot scummier than the tunneling itself was.Be happy it stopped. I think I needed something as direct as that post from Panzer.
Your "too scummy" defense doesn't work. You called Zilla a townie three times. Even if you were town, you would stop doing it after I called you on it, for the exact same reasons you would stop doing it as scum, i.e. it looks scummy.since when is, while you are assuming someone is scum, calling someone else a towny a scum thing to do? It is simply what logically follows from your assumption. It is a way of speaking, and it is not scummy. You just want to see something scummy in it. Maybe it helps if you look at it and ask yourself if town could say it. You are now only trying to find me as scum.
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The fact that qwints doesn't want to say anything to help us out makes me more confident he is scum.
I'm insulted. Really, it would have been an obvious breadcrumb: if I wanted you to know, something that I don't want as SK. Thats why it is unlikely that I'm the SK. Although you might need to know me better before you believe that.GIEFF wrote:Zilla wrote:I agree with this, that people like to mention their own roles. I would not lynch mykonian because of this, but I think this is one more minor thing to add to mykonian's list of scumminess.
but on the other hand ( ), I don't want to know. GIEFF is one of the people that is at least involved in this game. I think it would leave the game to random voting in stead of mafia if this happens. Practically no-one is really into the game. That has probably a lot to do with the long day one.GIEFF wrote:I wonder what kloud's mod-kill flavor would look like?
Really, power of the subconcious and such: if we believed you, my subconcious is the only thing that posts! GIEFF, for something to be a slip, I shouldn't notice that I make it, and seriously, after so many times you said it, do you really think you can call it a slip?GIEFF wrote:mykonian referred to Zilla as a "townie" three times yesterday. He referred to goat as a "townie" once (and goat has since been revealed to be pro-town). I don't think these are assumptions, I think they are slips made by scum-mykonian, revealing he knows more about alignments than he should.Xtoxm wrote:You think those are poor assumptions, Gieff?
If Zilla flips scum, this is mostly moot.
and it already shows I knew the protown answer too. I just wanted to ask the question anyway.GIEFF wrote:This quote was about Panzer's "townie" slip where he called dejkha/Zilla a townie, and shows that mykonian does think calling someone a townie could be a scumslip.mykonian wrote:and about the picking on townies: that could be a scumslip. I would like to hear Panzers explanation of that (although I can imagine what his answer is going to be).
sure. I know you think you are great.SensFan wrote:mykonian, the VERY NATURE of the game is subconscious. The DEFINITION of a scumtell is a slip. I strongly think you are Scum, especially after this ridiculous defense of yours, and trying to downplay my contributions, when they FAR exceed your own.
ok, I will try to write my conclusions based on assumptions not as the truth, that should help.GIEFF wrote:Can you stop making them?
Even without the slips, you have done plenty of other scummy things, as I've summarized in the twilights of both Day 1 and Day 2.
your detailed analysis, I guess? What does everybody that reads this know about the persons you read about? That you think some posts good, some posts bad, and most times you don't even tell why.SensFan wrote:Pages 11-15
Goat
*257 is very good
*285 is great
*290 is brilliant
*303 is gold, something more people need to realize
*345 is great
Zilla
*259 is absolute shit, you should read the thread before people tell you who you should see as scummy
*261 is trying to justify the shit logic
*273 is the worst yet from her
*288 is even worse. Seriously, you can't justify the fact that you are either lazy or Scum.
*289 calls everyone scummy for not bowing down to her command, terrible
*292 is complete fluff. Have you even read the fucking thread yet?
*297 is even worse. She finally starts playing...and contradicts everything she's said so far.
*324 goes back to saying evewryone should have bowed down to her
*331 is fairly useless, but at least its not bad
*339, I swear if you so much as mention the fact you expect to not read games you replace into ONE MORE TIME...
*344...Just...
*353 is actually not bad. I disagree completely, but it actually looks like it might be legit
*357 is openly going out of her way to make a case on everyone...really?...Need I say more?
Mykonian
*262 shows he isn't as bad at game theory as it appeared
*352 is really good, surprisingly
*355 is also good
Panzer
*265 is really good
*296 is good, though I disagree with the Unvoting of Zilla
*298 is great, back on track
*347 sums up my thoughts
Subgenius
*268 is repetitive, though good
*269 is good
*342 is perfect, and right on track
*374 is the best post I've seen in a long time
Militant
*281 is nice
*308 is good
Birthday
*282 is rather nice, though by then I'm sure BirthdayScum would have known to jump on Zilla so *shrug*
*287 is a bunch of bullshit, with some ribbons to make it look pretty
*340 is more words that mean nothing. And if someone is attacking you with weak logic, you SHOULD tear it to bits
Dourgrim
*286 is rather bad, why bother posting that you like your vote if you admit to only skimming?
GIEFF
*305 is complete garbage. Get over yourself, get over something that happened in the random stage.
*319 is more of the same shit
*327 is...surprise!...more of the same shit. I'm seeing a pattern here...
*330 is...yeah, I think you can figure it out...
*337 is more shit
*343, can you PLEASE take off the 'Panzer is Scum' glasses?
*348 is garbage.
*363 is still posted through the PanzerScum glasses.
*366 gets into dumb theory. If Scum says "I'm voting Y for XXX", he is in fact voting Y for XXX, that's not a fucking lie
*369, get those fucking glasses off. NOW.
accidental hammer... Or even a plain bandwagon vote, if it would have been the third (while dour's really was on the previous page).SensFan wrote:Sorry I'm late, guys. Life's been busy.
mykonian is wrong about the slip again, and its odd that Panzer didn't get a result.Vote: Zilla, for now. I think this is the third vote.
since when isn't 75% sure not enough for a quicklynch, when you have probably around 25-33% chance in the start of the game, if you do it random?SensFan wrote:Given the right circumstances, I absolutely think a quicklynch is warranted. This is not one of those circumstances.Zilla wrote:From what I've seen of Sens, he has a fetish for quicklynching.
Is it dumb to vote for someone that admittantly doesn't want to play?springlullaby wrote:You are dumb to vote without explanation.
Anyway, I'm at L-2. If you don't want me to claim, you unvote me.
thought it over, and maybe you are right. We got: one mafia blocker, one framer, and one cop. Probably a doctor, because a town blocker is highly unprobable, and a no kill? would be weird.GIEFF wrote:And I agree with Xtoxm that even an innocent-result is not necessarily inno - the probability of an investigation-immune mafia (or sk) is high.
we had a kill free night.GIEFF wrote:Is it possible there is a 2-person scum team, and SL is a serial killer? To test this, I think we should tell SL to no-kill tonight, as sk's usually HAVE to kill each night, right?