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1)LlamaFluff
2)Porkens
3)afatchic
4)Zilla
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I'd like to withhold that information at this time. Let them sweat it out a bit, eh?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Zilla, why give flak to LlamaFluff claiming that his lack of a reason for his random vote removes accountability from his vote and then freely admit that all of your votes thus farwhich actually had reasonswere all random and meaningless?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Post 62 struck me as odd considering the fact that your "contributions" thus far very much resemble exactly what you were accusing ZazieR of. I note that you questioned Zilla about something fairly serious in your post 54 but yet youstillhaven't bothered to vote for a person all game as of this time. And then your post 65 is like icing on the cake -- it looks like more of what you were accusing ZazieR of in Post 62.
There's another reason for that vote, but I'd like to withhold that information at this time too.
Post 26, ZazieR wrote:Eh? Why only those four?
Don't you love us as much as those four? Is that it? Hmm? Hmmmmmm?
Since my early vote's worth has expired, I'll explain THAT one however. Those four people are the only four people in this game whom I've never played with or modded at all.Post 28, camn wrote:That said:
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But she never even answered your question yet...Post 71, mykonian wrote:54: and she backtracked in saying it is all nothing serious. I don't know what to think, but I'll remember it. The question pointed out the problem, there came an answer, and I'm happy with that.
And if she did, then she responded with a question in her post 55, and you never responded to her question.
Fair enough to 62 and 65, I suppose. ZazieR's reaction to your questions/comments didn't really lead me to believe that this was some running gag between you and her but yeah. ZazieR, is this true for the most part?
Is this a joke or are you being serious here? I can't tell with the addition of the smiley.Post 71, mykonian wrote:Oh, and that last reason: may I take a guess? Buddying up? to Porkens perhaps?
If it's serious, what makes you think I'm buddying up to anyone let alone Porkens?
Post 71, mykonian wrote:But I don't yet want to vote zilla, till I have seen more. VP is not really a good place for a vote yet, and zazie has not yet done something scummy. So, eh, I see no need to place a vote yet. Even if I know some people think that scummy
You've commented on Zilla, yes, so I understand your suspicion of her but what makes you bring up VP Baltar's name of all the people in this game? Reading through your posts, I don't see you mentioning anything about him until now so what exactly would you be accusing him of?Post 73, mykonian wrote:c: no, just that if I were to accuse him, the case would be ridiculously weak.
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I've GOT to stop signing up for fast moving games.
Huh?[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1697713#1697713]Post 75[/url], mykonian wrote:
Hmm, I thought that was the only thing I talked about further...
Is this a joke or are you being serious here? I can't tell with the addition of the smiley.Post 71, mykonian wrote:Oh, and that last reason: may I take a guess? Buddying up? to Porkens perhaps?
If it's serious, what makes you think I'm buddying up to anyone let alone Porkens?
@Zilla:the marathon day game that I modded you in slipped my mind too. So, you're in serious-mode now, yes? Could you possibly answer this question then:Incognito wrote:Zilla, why give flak to LlamaFluff claiming that his lack of a reason for his random vote removes accountability from his vote and then freely admit that all of your votes thus farwhich actually had reasonswere all random and meaningless?
Err... I didn't read that as an accusation at all. I was questioning him as to why he guessedKmd4390 wrote:Looked to me like he was guessing at your reason for voting him. The fact that you read that as an accusation against you catches my attention.thatparticular reason of all reasons. It seems odd to me that he would guess that I'mbuddying upto Porkens by reasonless voting him (mykonian) and, at the same time, mykonian doesn't even list me as one of the people he finds suspicious despite the fact that he guesses that I'm buddying up to Porkens. I wanted to know why.
To secretly check for consistency in behavior. Now to provide the reasons:[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1697929#1697929]Kmd43[/url]90 wrote:
Why are we witholding reasons for votes?Incognito wrote: There's another reason for that vote, but I'd like to withhold that information at this time too.
@ZazieR:I reasonless voted in this game once, and I happen to know that you dislike reasonless votes. Why did you not call me out about it?
@Zilla:I reasonless voted outside of random, you gave flak to LlamaFluff for using a reasonless vote in RVS, but yet you didn't mention anything about my reasonless vote. Why is that?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Right. So here's the deal: I don't think Zilla's scum. I think her play's certainly been somewhat sloppy, yes, but it doesn't strike me as the type of play I'd expect to more likely come from scum. The speed of this wagon and the sheerlevelof Zilla-hate also causes me a lot of concern.
Zilla:I think you seriously need to realize that Porkens' reaction to your claim wasn't rolefishing,period. My impression of your doublevote was that you were joking but that doesn't mean that everyone else will come to the same conclusion as me -- obviously some people might think you were seriously claiming a role. Question for you: why do you think a Porkens-scum would be more likely than a Porkens-town to ask you about whether or not you were seriously claiming a double vote ability?
I[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1698298#1698298]Post 108[/url], camn wrote:Incog.. I am too swamped to meta-check you... but do you do this a lot? Vote for no reason, then refuse to provide those reasons when asked?hada reason for my vote. I just chose to withhold that reason and decided to provide it at a later time when things played out, and I was able to check for consistency of behavior. If you read back, you'll notice that I did eventually provide that reasoning.
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I don't see the appeal for VP Baltar's "Zilla being bussed by mykonian-scum" theory. The fact that he built a complete case against mykonian under the premonition that Zilla is scum is creepy. VP Baltar, do you see mykonian as scummy independent of his interactions of Zilla? Your case only seems to work under the assumption that Zilla is definitely scum here, and we haven't had an alignment flip yet sooo, yeah.
mykonian's defense to VP Baltar's case is also weird:
Why "seems" a little far-fetched? If you're town here, wouldn't you[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1699267#1699267]post 119[/url], mykonian wrote:and baltar, I don't know, but scum, bussing serious on page 5? Not a lot would do that, I think. The distancing-bussing story seems a little far-fetched.knowwhether or not it's far-fetched?
Kmd4390 and mykonian:If I'm reading correctly, VP Baltar was accusingmykonianof bussing Zilla. How did you two contort that intoLlamaFluffbussing Zilla?
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This is odd.[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1699619#1699619]Post 123[/url], LlamaFluff wrote:I dont think myk is overly suspicious. Plus I always do end up favoring people who think the same as I do, especially if its before I make by suspicions public.
Back in post 72 you seemed to let on that you were suspicious of mykonian as you pointed out a few things you found wrong with his posting. And this was back at a time when he was still making it somewhat apparent that he was suspicious of Zilla, which means that he would have been thinking the same way as you were back then too. Then youdidseem to completely drop those mykonian suspicions on page 4 completely in favor of the current Zilla-case. Why is that?
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mykonian's vote on Zilla strikes me as extremely scummy. I find it odd that he supposedly spent 30 or so minutes meta-gaming Zilla and then finally placed his vote down on her. It seemed like he was leaning towards doing that frompage 3anyway, so I really dislike how he felt the need to build up to it.Can we get a wagon on mykonian instead? He's FAR scummier.The fact that so much of the thread seems to be ignoring this really creeps me out.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Camn, how did I side-step your question? You centered your question around this idea that I somehowvoted for no reasonwhen I did in fact have a reason that I chose not to share at that time. If you'd like to know whether I have withheld reasons for actions as town before, then yes, I can say that I have. Your question was phrased weirdly to begin with.
Kmd, I realize that but the way you addressed mykonian with "never rule out bussing" is weird since it was him (mykonian) who was being accused of bussing.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Nice. Camn's prob-town. I agree her reads don't really reveal much (since she pretty much stated that a bunch of people are 'no reads') but her listing and general tone this game strikes me as town-ish.
You admit that mykonian's reason for voting Zilla was crap and yet you still come to the conclusion that he's likely not scum? LikePost 134, charter wrote:I don't think mykonian is scum, because his reason for voting Zilla was crap, and it would be dumb to vote your partner like that if you were scum.seriously?
No, I also found the tone of his response discomforting. He didn't seem interested in attempting to figure out why VP Baltar would connect you with him -- he just said traditional scum teams wouldn't bus this early. If he was genuinely suspicious of you, I'd think he'd be leerier of people trying to connect him to you -- he showed no indication of that.Zilla, in reference to my 'finding mykonian's defense to VP Baltar's case' thing wrote:Is that all you found weird?
Okay... what do you think of the reasoning he used to eventually join the Zilla-wagon?Post 144, LlamaFluff wrote:I wanted to be sure I was reading where myk was going correctly. With different answers I would of responded differently. When he confirmed that Zilla was his top pick before I made it known who my top pick was, it made me more comfortable with him.
mykonian: the problem I have with your vote is pretty much from page 3 you attempted to give off this impression that you were using a good amount of caution before deciding to vote for Zilla and then you eventually voted her after spending only 30 minutes looking through a few of her town games (in which she pretty much replaced into all of them which makes the comparison pretty close to null) and then you used asinglegame where she was scum to come to the conclusion that she's probably scum here because, in your opinion, her play here resembles her play in that game. I just don't think the level of caution you've tried to exude is genuine.
The other thing that bothers me is your self-proclaimed stance on meta back in the one game I have experience playing with you in (Newbie 708 where you were town) doesn't match your actions here in this current game which makes me believe even further that your supposed caution isn't genuine:
When exactly did you become a meta-lover?mykonian, [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1564620#1564620]in Newbie 708[/url], wrote:you are a professional mafia player? asking other people what they know about people you play with. Wow. anyway, this is probably one of the only games where I was town where you can get something out. I have played 1 themed game as town too, but that play was weird. there must be another game I played as town. I forgot. Fact is, the majority of the games I played were as scum.
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Mod:camn's also voting mykonian.
It should be noted that the death of afatchic now places Zilla at L-1. afatchic-scum's posts:
Votes obvtown during random stage.afatchic's 1st post wrote:Vote Incognito
Serious accusation towards Zilla dressed up as a joke.afatchic's 2nd post wrote:
Only scum would wanna lynch two people right at the start!Zilla wrote:Ninja'd.
doublevote: afatchicfor the same reason as Llamafluff.
Not much to analyze unfortunately but at least one scum is dead.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Not because I don't think he's scum any longer, but we really don't need L-1 yet.
You do realize that your vote on mykonian placedPost 172, Plum wrote:Unvote: Zilla
Now it's L-1, I'm not ready to have her there and am in the middle of preparing a reread post in which I was considering other cases anyhow.himat L-1 too right? Were you concerned about ANYONE being at L-1 so quickly when you stated the above or just Zilla?
Porkens:why kill so quickly? If you had a scum read on afatchic, why not allow him to produce some content (like a Player-by-Player) before shooting?
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Re: Porkens - I'm inclined to believe the claim and am leaning towards believing he's likely town. Aside from the fact that he killed scum, I think the way he claimed strikes me as very town-ish too; I'm usually a sucker for unprovoked claims more often coming from town than scum, and his explanation for why he killed afatchic before afatchic got around to producing any content (Porkens had a strong level of anxiousness to actually USE his role) goes along with his urge to claim as well. I won't be supporting a Porkens-lynch anytime soon, if at all. I need to reread ZazieR's beef with Porkens because I don't think it makes much sense at this time.
Long story short: Anxiousness to kill and anxiousness to claim = likely Porkens-town.
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Zilla, charter:In this quote war like in every other quote war in the game of Mafia, there comes a point of diminishing returns. charter, I think everyone understands your beef with Zilla. It's been drilled in our heads. Zilla, you've defended yourself already as best as you could. I don't see any need to continue these long drawn out posts where you just continue bashing each other. It only serves to make the thread more unreadable. Please stop. Thanks.
And I still need to read those last few pages. Heh.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Off-topic banter:I've decided that I'd probably pay really good money to see Zilla beating her chest the way charter suggested.
Anywho, with the speed this thread is moving and the amount of back-and-forths going on, I've decided it would probably be better for me to get my thoughts down about everyone in a player-by-player fashion and then go from there. Using player list from top to bottom.
Kmd4390:I'm still not really sure what to think of him at this time. I've only played with him in one game which happened nearly a year ago back when he was new to the site, but I don't recall him being as tunnel-visioned in that game as he has been here (he was town there). I'm really not a fan of his recent accusation that I'm scum if Zilla is scum because I really can't see how in post 248 he could interpret my post 240 as a Zilla-scum buddy who's trying to bring down the attack against her. I was pretty clearly arguing that with the constant back-and-forths of the same point being argued over and over again between charter and Zilla, the thread is likely becoming more and more unreadable which actuallyhurtstown rather than helps it. And his interpretation of Zilla's quote is bizarre as well, along with his new stance on page 11 where he argues that he doesn't even find me scummy at all. So why did you pair Zilla and I together? How did you interpret my posts early in the game and on page 10 as soft questions and then protection of a Zilla-scum buddy?ZazieR and camn:I know both of you have a lot more experience playing with Kmd than I do -- what's your read of him so far?
ZazieR:I have almost no read of her so far, which probably isn't a good thing given we're now on page 11. I'd like for her to elaborate further on her stance of Porkens since I really don't understand her logic as to why she would support a Porkens-lynch tomorrow if he happens to be a one-shot vig. Interestingly, I thought I saw a veryminortown tell from her confirmation post where she claimed that she had to get her gun -- I don't know if she was pseudo-claiming scum but if she was, I'd see this as a minor town-tell considering the fact that our game haswerewolvesin it as opposed tomafia, which I would assume use a different kill method than guns, and I would expect that if she was scum, she would be more likely to realize this than if she was town confirming. ZazieR, comments?Kmd:your read of ZazieR so far?
Plum:Needs to post more. I've found myself agreeing with some of her stances particularly those on mykonian and some of her comments on LlamaFluff which could suggest that she might be thinking along the same lines as me but with only 4 really long posts in the thread, I'm finding myself having a difficult time reading her. I think if mykonian flips scum though, she's almost certainly town -- I can't see a Plum-scum (heh, that rhymes) flipping from one wagon (the Zilla one) to another one (the mykonian one, which put him at L-1) if she was scum with him, especially since just prior to this, Porkens ended up killing afatchic-scum.
LlamaFluff:A lot of his posts have been giving me the hives actually. I already commented on his early posts where he seemed to be giving mykonian some flak but then suddenly went to being a mykonian-fanboy just because "he was thinking the same thing about Zilla" <-- this switch just doesn't feel natural to me. I'd think an LF-town might show more leeriness towards mykonian. Also his recent post about Porkens strikes me as really weird too -- he seems to have a lot of negative to say about the claim but then concludes that he "sees basically no was Porkens is scum". Also, since his unvote of Zilla, he hasn't really commented on anyone or anything aside from Porkens citing that he'd like to see more from some other people. There's plenty of stuff going on right now; any thoughts on that?
Porkens:as per my previous post, I'm thinking this guy's town. 'nuff said for now. Porkens, can you elaborate more on the connection you see between VP Baltar and LlamaFluff?
camn:Another one who needs to post more, but I'm leaning town on her right now too. I've played a number of games with her before, modded her before, hydra-ed with her before, and she seems to be thinking in a town frame of mind. Her paranoia about me seems genuine too.
mykonian:I think all of the comments I've said about him are there for all to see. I still see myself supporting his lynch.
charter:Another Zilla-tunneler, but if I'm not mistaken, he has a tendency to do this as town (I've played with him previously in two separate games where he's been town, though I've never seen him as scum). Oddly, I find his tunneling on Zilla to be slightly more town-ish than anyone else's at this time.
Zilla:I'm still thinking that she's likely town for the reasons I mentioned previously (speed of wagon on her, the sheer level of Zilla-hate, play seems more sloppy and slightly poorly thought out as opposed to scummy). I wouldn't support her lynch today.
VP Baltar:Not crazy about his mykonian <-> Zilla scum buddy theory. VP, no matter what you might think about the quality level of players in this town, I can almost GUARANTEE you that we're not owning this game so hard where BOTH of the leading wagons have been on scum -- that's just simply probability and math. Aside from that, I dislike forming connections between people until after alignment flips. VP's play here doesn't really remind me of the play I saw from a him-scum in NG 696, but I'm aware of the fact that he might have improved since then. I do find it scummy though to suggest that both of the leading wagons might be on scum since that kind of position allows for a hypo-scum to easily sway from one wagon to the next.
This is really damn long. I blame boredom at work.
for a cool counter-wagon. Vote can easily go back to mykonian, obviously, but I'm curious to see what this might do.vote: LlamaFluff
mykonian, VP, and KMD: what's your read of LF?
Also, here's a cool aside about this game: does anyone else find it weird that the people who have been attacking Zilla have pretty much ONLY been attacking Zilla while the people who have been after mykonian have also been commenting on other people as well?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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mykonian, you're right in that you've done the Zilla-focusing to a lesser degree than charter and Kmd because I have noticed you commenting on others. As for why I found your delayed vote scummy, I think I explained that previously also back in my 12th post. I don't know if you're requesting other people to explain this to you or not -- admittedly, I know you responded to my point about you being a new meta-lover, and I haven't had the chance to look through the games you cited, but I will get around to that eventually. The building up to the vote still strikes me as scummy though for the reasons I previously listed.
I thought mykonian's eventual reason was bad, as I mentioned previously. Zilla's reason for voting mykonian struck me as being more sound, actually, since I agree that it really did appear as though mykonian was kinda sitting the fence a bit at first with regards to what he thought about Zilla.Post 267, VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, it might not be true, and statistically speaking is bloody unlikely. What did you think about their reasons for voting each other, however?
In response to the first part of this, perhaps I phrased that poorly -- I think making an attempt to think about connections is fine, but I felt like the way you built an entire case against mykonian under the supposition that Zilla was scum was off. I, on the other hand, have a list of reads of people who I'm finding scummy and am asking those people to formulate opinions about each other. I have in no way stated that these people are likely or even definitely scum with one another like you or Kmd have done in the past.Post 267, VP Baltar wrote:
Really? You seem to be doing it when you are asking specific people for opinions on other specific players. I'm just being much more explicit about it. Obviously it iss not guaranteed that Zilla is scum if mykon flips, but let me ask you this, based on the case I made would you be suspicious of her if he did flip scum?Incog wrote:I dislike forming connections between people until after alignment flips
If mykonian flips scum, I am inclined to believe that Zilla is even more likely to be town. Again, I highly highly doubt that we're doingsowell here that we have two competing wagons on scum, and I just don't see the connection between them -- they've been anti-each other since pretty much the start of the game.
Sure, you haven't ever switched your vote to the Zilla-wagon, but you mentioned that you support both cases on both people and then went on to come to the conclusion that they're likely scum together when I think that really seems like an unlikely scenario. Doesn't that suggest that you support both of their lynches today? I don't see what you're arguing here.Post 267, VP Baltar wrote:
Does that appear to be what I am doing? I haven't moved my vote from mykon since I placed it...which was at a time when the Zilla wagon was at 4 votes and going strong, while the mykon wagon was at 2 and getting little attention.Incog wrote:I do find it scummy though to suggest that both of the leading wagons might be on scum since that kind of position allows for a hypo-scum to easily sway from one wagon to the next.
The people who have commented on LF have mentioned nothing about "him appearing very pro-town here therefore he's likely scum". You yourself just said that I raised some decent points against him -- why do you believe people are suspicious of him here because he appears pro-town here?Post 267, VP Baltar wrote:Also, I think some people in this game are a bit more suspicious of him because they have played with him before and, from what I understand, his scum game is very pro-town.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Oh and VP: whether or not mykonian only had two votes at that time compared to Zilla's four votes doesn't really matter -- I think by that time when you made your case against the two of them, it seemed pretty evident judging by the people who were making their feelings heard that mykonian was someone who had the potential to receive a good deal of attention.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Yes, like I've said, I do think her play is a bit off-kilter here, but I don't think she's scum for it. For example this is the type of post I wouldn't expect to come from scum and it only helps reaffirm my town read of her:
First person to pick out Porkens' dayvig soft claim AND to announce it in-thread when she was at L-2 when that could have easily gotten another 2 people to vote her for a lynch after an afatchic-scum just got shot? Maybe I'm being naive, and she could be EXTREMELY ballsy scum, but I doubt that.[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1701480#1701480]Post 175[/url], Zilla (bolded blue is my emphasis) wrote:Wow, look what that made me miss!
This changes things slightly: namely my accusations between KMD and Llama. I'm going to search for any relevence afatchic had and what people said about her.
Porkens claims dayvig? Awesome job anyhow! (ducks incoming votes for commenting on what just happened).[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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mykonian, can you point to which posts of Zilla's she defends herself in that way? I can't seem to find them, so I can't offer comment.
As for what the danger was in the above situation you have this:
-~- Zilla already had an L-1 maybe L-2 wagon on her and was receiving considerable flak.
-~- Porkens soft-claims vig by writing ":blam:" and nobody comments on this until Zilla brings it forward in the above-mentioned quote that I pulled up.
-~- Ithinkcalling attention to a soft-claim is something that a lot of people would consider scummy, so if we're dealing with a single scum group here (and afatchic's already dead), and Zilla was already at L-2, she'd have to be quite a courageous scum to point out such a soft-claim when a hypo-her-scum might expect people to use that as even further justification to vote for her to a lynch. A hypo-her scum might even think that exposing such a soft-claim might sell the wagon to people who were still undecided about her, which would be straight scum suicide especially considering the fact that one scum had already been lost (in afatchic). So, I think her pointing out the soft-claim is more justification for her being town.
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^^^
this last post from mykonian seems very sincere and townish to me. I actually didn't even realize how close the deadline is. I have some things to respond to which I'll take the time to right now, but I'm getting really cold feet about a mykonian-lynch.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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@ mykonian's 275: I don't think calling attention to one's town meta is something that is more likely to be done by scum as opposed to town in defense of oneself. Also, I don't think the town games you looked into are very good comparisons since in each one, Zilla's been a replacement. Therefore, there's no way to determine whether or not Zilla would actually use a so-called Spaghetti Strategy to kick a game off because, according to what I've read, I haven't seen a town game of hers that she played completely from scratch; she seems to replace in a lot. If you have a sample of games of hers that strongly SUGGEST that she wouldn't use this strategy as town, then that might help your case against her but as it stands, it doesn't look like that's the case. So no.
I doubt this gut read of yours came about back on page 4, right (which was when this 'switch' from myk-hate to fanboy happened)?Post 276, LlamaFluff wrote:I just have somewhat of a gut read that myk is town. There is not a whole lot to back it up. Its just a mix of my gut scummy reads and him having a similar read.
What's odd about it? This is a town versus werewolves set-up. The mod called this particular werewolf (afactchic) a Forest Wolf Governor. Aside from the "Forest Wolf" prefix, a Governor is a pretty standard role. I don't see why Porkens would need to claim any further than he has already.Post 276, LlamaFluff wrote:I disagree with how its used, thats not something that makes him someone to lynch, just reckless. I still kind of want him to roleclaim though. With a role more descriptive then "mafia" shown already, something just flipping "One shot day vig" is odd.
Huh?Post 277, VP Baltar wrote:You were making it out that I supported their lynches equally, which is not true. The point I was making about Zilla's wagon being the leading one at the time is this: why would I, as scum, not vote for Zilla's wagon that was gaining steam when it wouldn't have been suspicious at all to do so? Even though mykon was second wagon, wouldn't the obvious play there for scum have been to go after the wagon most likely to lynch in the shortest possible time?
You pretty clearly stated that you support the case against Zilla, you ended up voting for mykonian, and you said that you think the two of them are scum together. That pretty clearly seems to suggest that you supported their lynches equally. If you think two people are equally likely to be scum, what couldpossiblymake you prefer one lynch over the other?Major FoS: VP Baltar
The other portion is WIFOM, and I don't care to respond to it.
Fair enough. We arrived at the same conclusion just utilizing different routes.Post 280, Zilla wrote:So, Incog, your view into my mindset is wrong.
Zilla's 284 is noted. I do agree that Plum has done a fair share of parroting in this game.
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@ ZazieR's 298: I don't think it reveals much about Zilla's alignment, which is why I left it at that. If anything, it's basically only a scum-tell for afatchic himself since he tried to make a serious accusation using a comical tone, which I do think is something that is more likely to be done by scum than town. Complete null-tell for Zilla though.
Kmd, if I had to choose between mykonian and Zilla, I'd have to choose mykonian, but like I mentioned in my second to last post, I'm not even sure if he's the correct lynch either. I think LlamaFluff or VP or even one of the lurkers might be a better lynch at this time actually considering the deadline mechanics of this game (one week and ish).
Errr... when VP Baltar went ahead and voted mykonian over Zilla, did he mention that he was voting mykonian because he thought he was scummier at that time? No, I'm pretty sure he said that he thought the cases raised against the both of them were equally good and that they were very likely to be scum buddies together -- in fact, as I've been arguing all along, he was already using the supposition that Zilla was scum (as if it was a given already) to vote for mykonian.Post 327, Kmd4390 wrote:This is a weak accusation/FoS. The question you ask stands out. What could make you prefer one lynch over the other? That is obvious as hell. Players can be more sure about one than the other. Or can be basing one suspicion a connection. Or don't want to lynch someone they think is scummy because they are an uncountered claimed power role. Or one is scummier than the other. The fact that you would ask that question really stands out as scummy.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Yes, exactly. He still seemed to imply that they stood an equal chance of being scum. Given the content of that post you pulled up, what do you think of what he mentioned here:
Does this not reek of backtracking? Why is my major FoS weak and unwarranted?VP Baltar wrote:You were making it out that I supported their lynches equally, which is not true. The point I was making about Zilla's wagon being the leading one at the time is this: why would I, as scum, not vote for Zilla's wagon that was gaining steam when it wouldn't have been suspicious at all to do so? Even though mykon was second wagon, wouldn't the obvious play there for scum have been to go after the wagon most likely to lynch in the shortest possible time?
The talk about multiple scum groups is not needed right now, btw and can only serve to be a distraction. I'll believe it when I see it (and that can only happen after a Night ends).
And one week to deadline is plenty of time to move votes to another wagon if necessary. Plum and ZazieR really need to get a move on. And LlamaFluff appears to be doing the equivalent of active lurking. I feel great about my vote.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Yeah, my question was kinda dumb looking back at it. I should've just pointed out the backtracking because that's the major issue I see with that post. I just get into the heat of the moment sometimes and... well my fingers take off haha.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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mykonian, I don't get what you're asking in your last post to me. Clarify?
I think he's suffering from a bout of Stoofer's Syndrome. This tends to happen to scum players when they're playing with a group of invitational-ish players.Kmd4390 wrote:I'm not sure it's scummy as much as it's... weird...[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Oh, I see. Well, I'm basically under the impression that she doesn't have such games on MS since she's only played games as town on here as a replacement and never starting from the very beginning of a game. Zilla, got any games where you might have used Spaghetti Strategy as town from another site maybe?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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You people post a lot.
Addressing VP Baltar's Defense to criticism: VP, all you have to do is read through page 14 particularly at posts 327, 328, and 329 to see the quotes that seem to imply that you supported mykonian's and Zilla's lynches equally. If you need the actual quoted line, here it is (in bolded color code):
-> ThePost 118, VP Baltar wrote:,While I support the Zilla case. I would particularly like to look at mykonian,I don't think it's necessary to finish the day so quickly.particularly the potential for him to be Zilla's scumbuddycolor suggests that you support the Zilla case (i.e. you're leaning towards thinking she's scum).olive
-> Thecolor is yourorangereasoningfor not voting her (don't want to end the day too quickly). In other words, if a deadline was placed the day after you wrote this, you would have likely voted Zilla, no?
-> Theis a pretty clear statement that you could see them as scum with one another (mind you, in that post, you never mentioned that you found one of them scummier than the other so I can only be lead to guess that you saw them as equally scummy and would therefore support either one of their lynches equally).dark blue
I didn't think I'd have to break out the colors but yeah, what can I say.
As for how that is backtracking, I mean come on, "you were making it out that I supported their lynches equally, which is not true"is backtrackingfrom the earlier statements that you made above in my color-coded quote. In the color coded quote you VERY CLEARLY seem to suggest that you would support either one of their lynches. To say that you now DIDN'T support their lynches equally is backtracking from your earlier statement.
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He said if I was scum I would have placed my vote on mykon at that time because such and such a reason. How is that not wifom?Plum wrote:I don't see how Incog's point was WIFOM.WHEN DID I SAY THIS?LOL.
This I agree with, but why, then, aren't you voting him? Do you find mykonian still scummier than LF?Post 371, VP Baltar wrote:Llama post 353 is obv-sheeping along where he ignores what everyone has asked him.
Camn:I don't think the point you raised against VP Baltar is valid or a point against him -- there were plenty of other people (including me) who hadn't bothered mentioning anything about afatchic until after he flipped scum. What do you think of the other points raised against VP like the backtracking, etc.? Why are you using meta when discussing your thoughts about him when you previously mentioned that "meta is stupid"?
-- It's really really creepy how many people are ignoring the scumminess of LlamaFluff here.
I can go for any one of the following D1 lynches: LlamaFluff/VP are my preferred lynches and Kmd is the other lynch I'd possibly support. Really not liking his last bunch of posts; he looks like he's just kicking up a lot of dirt at this point.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I'd like to see ZazieR and Porkens place some votes down. Not voting all day is completely unacceptable.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Right. But doPorkens wrote:He's closest to lynch.youthink he's the best lynch at this time?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Mod:Do you do prods? If so, can you prod ZazieR?
She's made like 2000 posts elsewhere since she last posted here. I don't want to hear anymore excuses about cheating on a boyfriend or whatever else she concocts. If you sign up for a game then play the damn game or request replacement if you can't handle it. I dowant a repeat of Newbie 696. Thanks.NOT
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A few points to make here (I don't feel like making more blocks of quotes in an already quote-heavy thread):
- VP Baltar is at L-1. He should probably claim.
- Would anyone who has played with Plum before comment on her play here? I like the fact that she agrees with me about a lot of stuff, but eh, it gets me kinda nervous at the same time. Does she do this often?
- LlamaFluff continues to look horrible to me. He went from claiming that he's not posting stuff because he doesn't have much time to claiming that he's not being very aggressive because he doesn't have any scum reads; only town ones, to claiming that he's trying a brand new playstyle. What's the true reason you're playing in this manner?
- mykonian, what was the point of posts 466 and 467? You seem to rag on me a bit, but I don't see you voting me or FoS-ing me or anything. Do you think I'm scum or what?
Depending on VP's claim, I'd be totally cool with this. With a vig on scum already, I will absolutely, positively support a lurker lynch.Post 465, camn wrote:We could just lynch her, Incog.
Zilla and Camn are almost certainly town, btw.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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No I mean like hang on the coattails of others' arguments. I mean, she does seem to be producingsomeoriginal ideas but a lot of them are ideas or points that have been made before just dressed up in a different tuxedo.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I don't really know how to articulate it, and I think Zilla mentioned this before as well. I guess the best way to say it is if you look at certain posts of Plum's [for example this post (particularly the upper portion when she's listing her issues with VP Baltar) and this post] you'll notice that her writing style seems more like a narrative - something being written from the third person point of view where she seems to be plotting people against people. Some of her statements are in the first-person but a lot of them are not. This strikes me as really off, and I suddenly hate the fact that this game has short deadlines.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Aaaaaaaaaaand I just cross-posted with a doc claim. Awesome.
VP, were you specifically called a Doctor or some other name?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I dislike outguessing the mod but according to the Wiki, here is what is stated about Doctors in Werewolf games:
And I've run a search in Little Italy, and a lot of previous mods called the Doctors in those games "Guardians". What do think about this?Werewolf wrote:In a Werewolf game, the Doctor is frequently referred to as the Archangel (blocks mafia kills) or Sorceror (blocks werewolf kills).
The Vanilla opening PM also calls the Vanillas "Peasants" as opposed to "Townies".
Porkens:As the game's other claimant so far, do you wish to comment on VP Baltar's claim here?
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How is that rolefishing?Porkens wrote:
Nice rolefishingIncognito wrote: Porkens: As the game's other claimant so far, do you wish to comment on VP Baltar's claim here?
unvote, Vote: Zazie-darling
Unvote
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You should've killed LF or Kmd. I don't even know which of the two I wanna vote for at this point; they're both so obvscum it's ridiculous.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Given your claim and Porkens' vig claim, why would you still expect me to be targeted last night? I'm really upset about being wrong about VP though obviously; I thought after his Doc claim error he was sure to flip scum -- definitely surprised when the dude flipped 'nilla of all things.Post 520, Zilla wrote:Being wrong about VP has shaken my town read on Incognito a bit, and also that he wasn't targetted at night. I also haven't liked Camn's posts lately.
I could go for a Kmd-lynch, yeah. I felt like his posts yesterday surrounding the VP-Doc claim looked like he was scum who was confused by what hethoughtwas VP telling the truth.
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LlamaFluff has a knack for fake-claiming town power roles as scum. I'm skeptical of this claim; I don't doubt that he has this ability that he's claiming, but I do doubt whether he's actually town-aligned.Fun fact:
I'm assuming this means that you did receive whatever it is that LF gave to you during the night, yes? If so, why do you believe that automatically makes him town?Post 533, mykonian wrote:btw, Llama is town.
Do you believe charter is scum? Why no vote?Post 534, mykonian wrote:Charter assumed yesterday in one of his reasonings that there was only one scumteam, something that was debated then. He seems surprisingly to be right. I wonder where he got that knowledge...
@Kmd:Why is charter 'obvtown' to you? Also, which game(s) are you referring to of LF's where you mention that he didn't do this as other town PRs?
This is an odd answer. Kmd is accusing you of playing differently from how he's seen you play as a town PR in the past, and you seem to completely skip around his issue with you and mention that you always fail as a town PR. So, is his meta of you incorrect or something?Post 529, LlamaFluff wrote:
I always just fail with any power role. I think I spend too much time during they day trying to figure out how to use my role and not enough scumhunting.Kmd4390 wrote:I didn't see you do this as a vig or as a JOAT.
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I'm also not sure I understand camn's meta-case against Kmd. Camn, was Kmd actually playing in the game when this Vanilla claimed Doc? Did he react differently to that person's Doc claim than he did here?
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LlamaFluff, I have to look into a few things with mykonian before deciding whether or not I think you're likely scum with him, but I'm not completely discounting the idea that your role could be a scum role that could even benefit town. Mini 692 - Boost Mafia had a role just like this (see the Godfather role PM at the top of the linked post). The GF had the potential (after being boosted twice, mind you) to not only show up as innocent to potential investigations but also give out boosts to anyone of his choosing at the rate of one per night, which is a powerful scum role since it could potentially seemingly "clear" the GF as town if he happened to give a boost to someone who was town under the same thinking you're trying to sell here: "why would someone who is scum give something that could help town to the town?".
I try to avoid making lynch decisions based on claims; I lynch based on genuinely scummy behavior, and I still feel like your play during D1 was scummy for previously mentioned reasons, so just because you claimed a PR doesn't mean I'm going to automatically check you off as town. It just doesn't work that way.
I'll wait until Kmd links to the games he had in mind before commenting on this further (if I feel further commenting is actually needed).Post 539, LlamaFluff wrote:I do not think I have ever had to claim VT outside of massclaim/lylo situation in my entire history of playing. I normally get ran up as power roles and need to claim. I can think of only a few games as a town power where I did not need to claim.
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I'll have more time for a post tomorrow while I'm at work but Zilla, I mentioned that you shouldn't have claimed yesterday because I felt like the evidence against VP Baltar was substantial enough to lynch him even without your claim -- there was no need for a counterclaim because his claim didn't make sense given the werewolf flavor of this game. Do note that I pointed out the stuff from the Wiki and past games in Little Italy and only wanted comments from Porkens, the sole claimant at the time, because I felt his input might have helped us determine if VP Baltar's claim could actually fit given the werewolf flavor if Porkens' role PM DIDN'T actually necessarily go along with the flavor. The Vanilla PM and everything else suggested otherwise, so yeah, your counterclaim was really unnecessary because it was obvious VP was lying.
If VP had claimed a protective role that was werewolf flavor-ish (like a Guardian), I'd have totally been cool with you CC-ing since we had already had one scum dead and would be gaining a one for one trade. Your claim rendered your role useless when he'd have been lynched anyway.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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So what if people unvote? That reveals information on its own. Once I got my answer from Porkens, I was definitely going to push a VP-lynch and would have likely succeeded even without your CC.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Like I said, I was waiting for Porkens' answer to my question and was just leaving work when I asked it. When I got back home from work, you had just counterclaimed and Porkens had already answered. Therefore, I voted. There was no point in delaying any longer.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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I don't know if vigilantes are typically called something different in werewolf flavored games, actually (I was thinking maybe they'd be called archers or something of that sort since they don't kill with bullets it looks like). If Porkens WAS actually named a Vig though, then it might have suggested that maybe VP was telling the truth and that maybe the mod wasn't being as strict with flavor as I first thought. That line of questioning was rendered useless though when you CC'ed.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Lemme break this down just so it's clear then finally go to bed.
1)VP claims Doc.
2)I realize that a Doc claim doesn't make sense given the flavor but dislike outguessing the mod because it's always possible that the mod might have thrown something screwy in there to fuck with our minds.
3)I question VP a bit about his claim and ask Porkens for some input (to try and figure out if maybe the mod isn't being as strict with flavor as I thought even though a lot of the evidence already gathered seemed to be suggesting otherwise. Better safe than sorry.)
4)I leave work, come back home, and you already counterclaimed and Porkens accuses me of rolefishing (still not sure how that was rolefishing, btw).
5)I vote VP because there was nothing left to discuss; you had counterclaimed, VP seemed like he was lying, so let's lynch.
6)I then mention that you shouldn't have counterclaimed (because it was pointless to do so).
So that's that. Now I sleep.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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With the kinds of roles we've got out in the open already (and with Kmd's softclaim), I've kinda been thinking that maybe we should mass claim. Does anyone agree/disagree? Why?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Depending on the way the softclaim is done, I usually look at soft-claiming as a slight town-tell. In Kmd's case though, I really don't know what to think about it. I guess he might have been really excited about it and eager to get it out in the open, which is mildly town-ish, but for the most part, I just don't know.Post 585, camn wrote:On another note, Incog.. what DO you think about KMD softclaiming>?
I have a number of reasons for wanting mass claim:
1)Kmd has soft-claimed a power role and claimed that he was roleblocked. I really can't think of any reason why an RB-scum would want to roleblock Kmd (unless they picked up on some kind of breadcrumb he dropped or they have a meta on him that helped them realize he was power, etc.) -- I'd think that a scum RB might want to target someone like Zilla instead if she's telling the truth about her role. If we massclaim and nobody claims to be a roleblocker of some kind, then we can deduce that either there really is a scum RB who claimed something else and is purposely hiding his or her role or that Kmd is lying about his claim.
2)I really don't like Llama's claim, and I think he's scum. This is going to slightly contradict what I said earlier about wanting to lynch based on scummy behavior, but why would LlamaFluff be called a "Hedge Wizard" in a game that's considered to be a Mini? Mini Normals should by definition haveNormalnormal, non-theme namedroles that follow either conventional Mafia flavor standards or conventional Werewolf flavor standards. A "hedge wizard" sounds like something that belongs more in a Mini. A quick meta of the mod's last mini game shows that he seems to have a good idea of whatThemenormalroles should look like (see Mini 730 - Hard Nights in the City). So why would he break that convention and name LlamaFluff something theme-flavored? It doesn't make any sense.
3)Like I mentioned previously, we already have some fairly powerful roles out there in the open, and I don't see much harm being done by getting them all out there so that we can better understand what type of set-up we're looking at.
:If not enough people agree with mass claim, then I think we need the following
1)Kmd needs to full claim. I don't trust him nearly enough to have him soft-claiming a role and thinking that he might be town because of that -- I think he needs to come forward with his role now.
2)Zilla said her role didn't have a name, but I'm assuming Porkens' role does. If that's the case, I really think he needs to comment on LlamaFluff's claim and explain if his own role goes outside of the Normal naming conventions. The few roles that we have seen so far (from our dead players) have all followed a fairly normal naming convention (and yes, this even includes the Forest Wolf Governor). If Porkens' role also follows a fairly normal naming convention, then I'd think that would lend even more support for LlamaFluff's claim being B.S., and we could probably lynch him as the werewolf scum that I think he is.
Zilla, I never got an answer from you about this:
This might have seemed like a rhetorical question, but no, I really did want an answer to it.Post 522, Incognito wrote:
Given your claim and Porkens' vig claim, why would you still expect me to be targeted last night?Post 520, Zilla wrote:Being wrong about VP has shaken my town read on Incognito a bit, and also that he wasn't targetted at night. I also haven't liked Camn's posts lately.
You mentioned prior to this that you were thinking Kmd was scum, but you only placed your vote down on him after Zilla did. Why is that?Post 582, mykonian wrote:So, of the two lynches I would like, Charter and KMD, I thought KMD was the closest:vote KMD
I didn't see any role PMs in Spy's last game. Were the scum given safe-claims?Post 599, Porkens wrote:SpyreX hates it when the scum don't have safeclaims = massclaim a bad idea.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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More stuff that's bothering me.
Have a look at this final vote count. We've got two people (aside from VP himself) off the VP wagon who ended up flipping town.SpyreX-mod's End of D1 VC wrote:Kmd4390 (0):
Zazier (0):
Plum (0):
Llamafluff (1):VP Baltar
Porkens (0):
camn (0):
Mykonian (1): camn
charter (0):
Incognito (0):
Zilla (1): Charter
VP Baltar (6): Mykonian, Llamafluff, Zilla, Incognito, Kmd4390, Porkens
(Not voting --,Plum)ZazieR
LlamaFluff - claims Hedge Wizard
Zilla - claims one-shot Doc
Kmd - soft-claims something
Porkens - claims day vig
This leaves me and mykonian as the only people who haven't claimed who were also on the wagon. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that this VP wagon was completely town-pushed, I know that I'm town, and I find at least two of the four claimants to be rather town-ish (Zilla and Porkens). I think there's gotta be at least 1 scum in {LF, myk, Kmd} because of this.
Does anyone else find it strange that LF almost seems to be "clearing" mykonian as town when LF hasn't even claimed some kind of investigative role? Why would this so-called inventor be so sold on mykonian being town based off of a "gut read", and why would he not be looking at the wagon and other info from D1 to see if his myko-read still might hold true?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Actually, I've changed my mind on mass claim. I don't think it's necessary. All I really want is the following:
- Porkens should full claim now.
- Kmd should full claim now.
- After these full claims come forward, we should decide whether or not our mod might have given people role names outside of Normal naming conventions.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Kmd, can you at least claim who you targeted with your role last night? If you're not going to claim, I think you should at least provide that information.
Porkens, an answer to this please:
Also how is charter dismissed from my POE? I saidPost 604, Incognito wrote:
I didn't see any role PMs in Spy's last game. Were the scum given safe-claims?Post 599, Porkens wrote:SpyreX hates it when the scum don't have safeclaims = massclaim a bad idea.at least oneof the scums is likely within that group, which is quite useful information because it narrows things down when I focus on my reread. Charter could be an off-wagon scum as can camn, who I also didn't list in my POE, but I haven't decided if I believe either of these two to be likely yet. Why does camn's name not concern you though?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Really?mykonian wrote:
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I don't like how charter is dismissed based on your process of elimination.Incognito wrote: This leaves me and mykonian as the only people who haven't claimed who were also on the wagon. I'd find it extremely hard to believe that this VP wagon was completely town-pushed, I know that I'm town, and I find at least two of the four claimants to be rather town-ish (Zilla and Porkens). I think there's gotta be at least 1 scum in {LF, myk, Kmd} because of this.
plus that it is pretty useless to think this way, your chances of finding scum haven't improved, and you are more likely to miss things because you dismiss some players.
We had a day-ending wagon on town. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that at least one of the people on that wagon is scum and this analysis allows for more focused rereads instead of taking the thread in as one huge jumble. You seem terrified.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Wait so in SA,Kmd4390 wrote:
Why? It gives hints at my role. For example, if I targeted someone protown, my role is protective or something else that helps the person I target. If I went after obvscum, my role is harmful to those who I target. If I went after someone random, I'm investigative or something weird. Why do you want to know my role so badly?Incognito wrote:Kmd, can you at least claim who you targeted with your role last night? If you're not going to claim, I think you should at least provide that information.anyplayer with a PR would receive a flavor PM saying they got roleblocked?[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Hmmm... interesting. I see what you're getting at now.unvotefor the time being.
See, 'round here, I'm sure you know, only investigative type roles receive notice that they've been roleblocked, so I didn't understand why you were trying to conceal it so closely when I thought that would be quite apparent to the scum anyway after your soft-claim.[ooc][color=black]patrickgower2006 (8:12:03 PM): all beer tastes same to me
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Eh, I guess. If anything, I'm more surprised that you and Porkens are alive after the types of claims the both of you put forward. I'm not saying I think either one of you is scum, and I can see why the scum might keep you two alive (if Porkens is town, they can always up the tempo on the SK-threat paranoia and with you, your role is fairly unconfirmable) but still, it's interesting.Post 628, Zilla wrote:First: Incognito, you appeared pretty pro-town yesterday, and when I'm scum, I usually target people who have little chance of being lynched. Our death was someone who stood more chance of being lynched than you, which I found odd, to say the least.
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Wow, check out this vote count on mykonian:
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