Mini 811: Foggy Londontown Mafia - Over!

[Nikanor]

I'm confirming now.

[Nikanor]

Anyway, I'm going to try to get through this topic tonight, and post late tomorrow night.

[Nikanor]

replaced into a game with Mastin a week or two ago

You poor sap. ^_^

[Nikanor]

Sorry for letting myself get prodded!
I'll catch up now.

[Nikanor]

Gaawwwdddd.
I'm such a slow reader.
Anyway, on page nine, and so far I get a feel for a dank+kiku+lowell scumteam.
But that's just my gut speaking.

[Nikanor]

Are you saying I should be more like you and Nikanor, then, and post mostly one-liners with little content?

Sorry, I'm an extra-slow reader. I am caught up now.

Vote:Lowell

My reason is simple:
The one analysis post Lowell has made reeks of buddying, and the rest of his posts are worse than nadroj's for agreeing and bandwagon hopping.
His reasons for putting dank in his 'town' section are crap.

dank- I don't know what to say, he's just been useful. 261 and 299 in particular.

Post 271, FC votes nadroj for scummy bandwagonning.
Post 272, Mokina FoSs nadroj for scummy bandwagonning.
Post 298, Hero votes nadroj for scummy bandwagonning.
Post 299, dank votes nadroj for scummy bandwagonning.
Even though dank is the third to vote for nadroj for scummy bandwagonning, Lowell seems to think dank's reason for voting is original or something. Out of the three people mentioned in Lowell's big ol' timeline of votes, the third person to vote nadroj for a reason identical to the first two is the only person deserving of a + for towniness, according to Lowell.

As said before

, mason claims are usually good for town. They either give us confirmed townies to narrow down chances for a miskill, or save possible power roles some nights by having scum kill off masons first, who have no night actions. The claim is good for the town and good for your win condition, so why are you crying about it?

The other post Lowell mentions is post 261, where dank ADMITS his post is not original.
So really, if we get rid of the posts by dank that are not original, we get:

dank- I don't know what to say, he's just been useful.

261 and 299 in particular.

This seems like a rather weak justification to put someone in your town category, especially considering you miscredited dank while attempting to justify your classification.

His reason for putting Far_Cry into his town category is WIFOM; I'm not going to say anything about it other than that, though.

I'm curious as to why he puts Mokina and Hero down as 'squarely pro-town', when his timeline has three -s on Mokina, one - on Hero, and not a + between them.

So I'm seeing either a Lowell-FC-dank team or a Lowell-Hero-Mokina team (unlikely imo, claiming mason with a scumbuddy is suicide), just based on Lowell's poor reasoning in his PBPA.

[Nikanor]

Also, are you deadset against lynching FC or neutral towards it or what?

I would rather lynch Lowell, but I'd be up to lynching FC as well.

[Nikanor]

I want to wait for ThAdmiral to post his thoughts, unless it gets to

sunday

Saturday

and he still hasn't, in which case I'll hammer.

[Nikanor]

lynching the confirmed doc, right?

He's only confirmed if he's killed. Stop calling him confirmed.

[Nikanor]

I'd rather lynch Lowell, but FC works too

[Nikanor]

Sorry, but no.

To whom (or what) are you saying no?

Gut can easily lean town on a player such as he

How does your gut lean town on a player such as Lowell? Has his wagonhopping not met, if not surpassed, in scumminess when compared to Nadroj's?

[Nikanor]

We're running out of time for a lynch fast. I will switch to hammer if that becomes an option, but I urge ThAdmiral's voters to consider a hammer of Lowell over a no-lynch.

Actually, we can just run out the clock and Lowell will still be lynched, thanks to the new deadline mechanics.

[Nikanor]

Part of the reason I hopped back onto the FC wagon was because I thought Tenchi was "soft-claiming" doc.

Where?

I know there were at least three townies on the Lowell wagon and two on the TA wagon.

Whence does this knowledge come upon you?

[Nikanor]

In my experience, "lovers" can't always confirm each others alignment. Had they claimed lovers I would have pursued that point further. This would have prevented two other pr's from being outed.

Well in this particular case, both of them had express knowledge of their lover's alignment. So the other two power roles would still have been outed.

[Nikanor]

Personally, I wouldn't have believed them.

You realise the only reason for them to both lie like that would be if they were both scum, right?

[Nikanor]

Sorry, catching up.

[Nikanor]

I'm not liking Gwynplaine's day two posts. As far as I can see from his posts in isolation, he has pointed itty bitty suspicions at just about everyone, without a single FoS or vote yet. Care to share your suspicions so far, Gwyn?

Lowell was a claimed information role. You did not vote for him following his claim. This is something pro-town (or at least something not anti-town) that you have done in this game, unlike kiku, dank, qwints, Nikanor or Gwyn.

I really don't like this quote. Not only are you misrepresenting the facts, you are deflecting from one person to others.
As a side note, I think that not voting for claimed power roles is more of a null tell. Remember that depending on how large the scum team(s) is/are in this game, they may think on day one that they know someone is telling the truth about a claim, and try to look more pro-town by not voting for someone who they know will flip town.

[Nikanor]

she did correctly detect mokina's inconsisticies re: hero, which justified her play.

Where did she correctly detect this? If I recall correctly, she thought Hero and FC were masons all the way up to the claim.

[Nikanor]

You realize kiku's 'rolefishing' post where she stated she thought Hero/FC could be masons was iso14, right? She never thought Mokina and Hero were masons together; she never pushed for a Mokina/Hero mason claim. That's why I'm confused as to why you are saying kiku was the one who outed Hero/Mokina, no less being right in doing so. Another buddying post to add to Gwyn's list, I suppose.

[Nikanor]

Well, I don't KNOW who is scum, but if I were to list my top three suspicions it would look like dank, qwints, and Gwyn. The only problem I have with this is Gwyn's post attacking qwints, but that could very easily just be distancing.

[Nikanor]

Wiirdo still has yet to show up.

<-- Wiirdo's replacement.

[Nikanor]

@DTMaster:
a) What are your thoughts on the day one nadroj wagon? Do you think Gwynplaine has done a good job clearing his repacee's behaviour?
b) How do hiders work?

[Nikanor]

@DTMaster: Who do you think would be a better lynch, a hider or a doctor?

[Nikanor]

Mod: Note my signature, please.

Noted.

- Mod

[Nikanor]

I am 1 shot bullet proof due to my english accent.(I don't get it either).

An SK would not claim bulletproof. Die scum, die.

Vote: qwints

[Nikanor]

Oh wait, yes he would claim bulletproof even if he wasn't, it makes scum target town instead. Anyway, if qwints is the SK, and he hits town, we lose (assuming the scum ignore him and wait for him to be lynched). Our best chance, imo, is to lynch the claimed SK and hope to hit scum every day.

Vote Count Nine-Point-Five

qwints: 4 (Nikanor, dank, SerialClergyman, Gwynplaine)
dank: 1 (iamausername)
kikuchiyo: 1 (qwints)

Not Voting: 2 (DTMaster, kikuchiyo)

With 8 alive it's 5 to lynch.

qwints is L-1.

Current Deadline: Monday, August 10 4:00 PM EST

Whoops, that's what I get for using an old vote count as my base.

[Nikanor]

Mod: dank is voting for qwints, not iam.

[Nikanor]

Actually, I meant that iam is not voting for qwints, dank is.

[Nikanor]

qwints: 5 (Nikanor, SerialClergyman, Gwynplaine,

dank, DTMaster

)
kikuchiyo: 1 (qwints)

I think.

[Nikanor]

It feels wrong to lynch someone 5 days in advance of the deadline when someone is V/LA and just got back today.

What happened to waiting for my response to your posts, DTMaster? Why did you hammer qwints so quickly?

[Nikanor]

Ouch. Well, that hurt.

[Nikanor]

Ack.
Oh well!
Good job, scum!

[Nikanor]

Yeah, the sheer number of anti-town players in this game was astounding. Our protection power roles were all given to the inexperienced players, unfortunately (trying to be nice, here).