Another scummy post from d3x.d3x wrote:I am a little concerned that Raivann couldn't come up with anything concrete in his response to my p81. The feeling I'm getting is Scum trying to get the wagon rolling along without completely understanding the argument. No one was accusing Manz for 'jumping on MM' yet that's what he didn't like about Manz's play and yet he couldn't come up with a single specific instance?FoS:Raivannand anUnVotefor posterity's sake.
So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?ZEEnon wrote:MonkeyMan576 wrote:My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?
Why did you post this?ZEEnon wrote:Scien's questioning can both be seen a pro-town and scummy, in my opinion. I have a null tell on him/her.
To which Manzcar case do you refer?MonkeyMan576 wrote:For now I'll
Unvote
We can always lynch Manzcar if he is our best suspect at the end of the day, but it would be better to pursue other cases at this point...
Raivann, can you summarize the case against Manczar, and who do you believe is suspicious or scummy at this point?
Here's one...d3x wrote: Perhaps you'd like to enlighten me on what 'cases' I've been making up out of thin air
d3x wrote:I am a little concerned that Raivann couldn't come up with anything concrete in his response to my p81. The feeling I'm getting is Scum trying to get the wagon rolling along without completely understanding the argument. No one was accusing Manz for 'jumping on MM' yet that's what he didn't like about Manz's play and yet he couldn't come up with a single specific instance?FoS:Raivannand anUnVotefor posterity's sake.
Yeah, he has only 2 posts but both his posts were confident and to the point and on those points, I agree. Notice I didn't say prob or confirmed, i said leaning. Gut read. Why you even trippin?cruelty wrote:Raivann, my bolding wrote: At this point I'm not sure on anyone, but I'm leaning scum on d3x, andI'm leaning town on Fuzzyman.
Huh?
Fuzzyman has posted twice with a total of 28 words. How can you possibly have a town read from what he's said?
If you somehow did have a magical ability to extrapolate allegiance from such minimal input, then I still can't see why it'd be necessary to make a note of it. I'm wondering if it's a poorly integrated breadcrumb..
Fuzzyman wrote:I don't even think it was antagonistic.
Why do you want me to summarize a case on Manz, Monkey?Fuzzyman wrote:So what you're doing is expressing a dislike for him without a willingness to take responsibility for his lynch.ZEEnon wrote:By the way for everyone's knowledge, I would be voting Manzcar because he is my biggest suspect right now, however I want discussion to carry on freely rather than a mass of suspicion of Manzcar. I think it's too early to confirm that he is scum, and that we should wait for the rest of the players to post. Furthermore,Unvote.
Vote: ZEEnon
MM, what I'm saying here is that I agreed with you about your first posts about possible scum roles and I didn't find it scummy.Raivann wrote:Looks like I missed RVS but I really want to OMGUS RVS vote Sweep
Vote:SweepNice avatar, looks like an orange fruit roll-up, unrolled-up.
Unvote
Ok then..Upon first read I dont like Manz's jumpin on MM for noticing the difference in Mods rules or sample PMs or whatever.
I also dont like MM's quick vote on Manz. He does seem a little jumpy to me
It's all good, no insult taken. I was referring to your post here were you FoS and call me scumfor not understanding the argument...d3x wrote:Alright Raivann, let's try this a different way, maybe it's just a terminology thing. How do you personally build a viable case?
And...I don't know where this came from. Firstly, you were talking to MM. Secondly, I don't think I've comeYes, believe it or not MM & d3x, I can read and process information.anywherenear a line to cross where I'm insulting your ability to read and/or process information. If I have, then I'm sorry. This does not mean that I'm going to back down on my questioning/Scum Hunting you, but I want you to know that there's nothing even remotely personal here. I just think you're acting in a very questionable manner {read- scummy}.
Finally, have you no response to the rest of my p124?
d3x wrote:I am a little concerned that Raivann couldn't come up with anything concrete in his response to my p81.The feeling I'm getting is Scum trying to get the wagon rolling along without completely understanding the argument.No one was accusing Manz for 'jumping on MM' yet that's what he didn't like about Manz's play and yet he couldn't come up with a single specific instance?FoS:Raivannand anUnVotefor posterity's sake.
Voting me for giving a town read on someone? Giving town reads on players is protown and my scumdar is operating at maximum effectiveness.Dizzle wrote:I agree with cruelty here, proclaiming Fuzzy as leaning town seems premature given his, and the general, lack of posts. I look forward to hearing Raivann's reasoning.
I take back what I said earlier about being able to read.Dizzle wrote:Yeah, not sure what this is all about as neither I nor cruelty have voted for you. It seems that your scumdar is in need of repair.Raivann wrote:Voting me for giving a town read on someone? Giving town reads on players is protown and my scumdar is operating at maximum effectiveness.Dizzle wrote:I agree with cruelty here, proclaiming Fuzzy as leaning town seems premature given his, and the general, lack of posts. I look forward to hearing Raivann's reasoning.
Also, do you have any other thoughts on the discussion since you last checked in?
I've noticed that your saying 'meh' and 'eh' less than the game we played where you were scum.Scien wrote: I don't get why you think that giving town reads is protown... How so?
meh, no. I agree with Fuzzy on Zee. Disagree with d3x on me.Scien wrote: So. Fuzzy just voted for Zee because of one action. Similiar in my eyes to the way that dx3 FoSed you for one action of not explaining a concern. What makes one person "come up with a case out of thin air" and the other have a position that you think is townish? Just the fact that one was targeting you?
Townie post.Chinaman wrote:alright, I have been announced officially now and have read through this game once so far....I now have headache. Some is due to the back and forth which seems to have occurred rapidly, and the other is due to the damned yellow and pink colors used by ZEE. I don't mind highlighting the tread and all, but just looking at the color gives me a headache. You do not have to do anything I ask Zee, but pretty please with a cherry on top, stop using the yellow. I'm begging you man. On my proverbial knees and everything.
Anyway, like I said, I made it through and am pretty much current. Not being involved in the first 7 pages of discussion, it's hard to get as good a read on anyone as of yet. I am going to re-read, and come back with some questions and comments. My predecessor made one post and that was an RVS vote on the now current bandwagon. I do not yet know how I feel about him, but I have read some good points made by you all about some scummy things he's doing. In my first read through, I had to agree with most of the points on him, but as I haven't had a chance to ask him any questions or come up with a solid argument for why I am on the wagon, I mustUNVOTEtill I feel that the vote on him is from me and not left over from Sweep.
Well at least your not fencesitting anymore.cruelty wrote:Raivann wrote: P.S.I usually look scummy. Hell I've been reading my posts and even I think I'm scummy.
Go ahead and lynch me but be forwarned you're just gonna find out that I'm a townie.
Ugh, I don't like statements like that. Very WIFOM.
I think that if you're not scum, you're dangerous to town anyway in that you appear scummy, you admit to appearing scummy and you were drawing conclusions very early in the game with very little information.
vote: Raivann
Not true. I have hard time reading Scien. I do find myself agreeing with your points.Skruffs wrote: Raivann - You seem to have no interest in this conversation - why?
This does read like scum hopping on a wagon to me. Sure he has posted his reasons but it reads like he doesn't really believe them.Scien wrote:
In light of current game state, and due to the fact that my vote is still RVS, I am going to want to revote:
Unvote: d3x
Vote: Raivann
I believe that vote is the fourth (L-3) judging from last vote count.
The town read is suspicious (even if I am dittoing everyone).
The jumping on d3x while feeling Fuzzy pro-town is suspicious.
The mistake about Manz vote placement, is curious.
The unexplained first dx3 "scummy post", is curious.
I think pushing your town reads is important just like pushing your scum reads.The prob townie reads I gave were mainly gut reads i got, a vibe.Chinaman wrote:I'm going to have to agree here. I did not like that my name came up on your probtown list. A: I personally felt it was buddying. Just something off about it. I have posted once and that post happened to remove a vote from your train. That doesn't make me town, it makes me want my vote to be mine not my predecessors. B: This puts a huge target on my back. If you are town, scum knows it. If you think I'm town and say so, it gives scum a very nice shopping list. Especially if you are lynched and flip town.
What do you feel you accomplished toward reaching a town goal by naming myself and Fuzzy on your probtown list? Especially when you have a fairly large bandwagon on you. On the flip side, how about your probscum list. I'm not saying I disagree with your names, I'm just wondering how it helps town currently. What are your cases on them? Why should their actions be viewed as more scummy than yours? (not calling you scummy at this point, just looking for answers)
Evading the second question and the first part I dont like the wording, looks like he's trying to set a trap that's why I asked him the same question back. Then he votes me for saying jumpy and jumpin.Raivann wrote:So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?ZEEnon wrote:MonkeyMan576 wrote:My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?
Why did you post this?ZEEnon wrote:Scien's questioning can both be seen a pro-town and scummy, in my opinion. I have a null tell on him/her.
Yeah,Scien wrote:Also, Rai. Are you caught up? You effectively told me to wait asking you questions because you were not caught up. I was waiting to continue our discussion until you did so. So far, you have been coming in and making the same self preservation posts.
(We can add the vote on me because I have suspicions on him, and the agreeing with Skruffs so far because he seems to be favorable towards Rai to my earlier comment that you think anything against you is scummy and anything positive towards you is townie)
I believe them. I want to discuss them with you. I was trying to give you some time for you to catch up.Raivann wrote:This does read like scum hopping on a wagon to me. Sure he has posted his reasons but it reads like he doesn't really believe them.
Would you like to address some of my and the town's concerns here? Here are mine, I think the rest of the town was just harping on one though:How can you have had a town read on Fuzzy when he made two posts?Raivann wrote:The town read is suspicious (even if I am dittoing everyone).
The jumping on d3x while feeling Fuzzy pro-town is suspicious.
The mistake about Manz vote placement, is curious.
The unexplained first dx3 "scummy post", is curious.
Why did you think that Manz voted Monkey before your post in 123?
What was dx3's first scummy post in your eyes?
Why do you think the play of dx3 is scummy vs Fuzzy's play before post 125?
These are the reasons I am voting you. I would like to discuss them with you. But I was under the impression you were catching up. Apparently I was wrong, and I should have been pressuring you more for answers. Would you like to talk now?
Fuzzyman wrote:No, this isn't WIFOM. Look at the final rule of the ruleset.Dizzle wrote:I strongly dislike WIFOM statements like this minor complaint or his earlier one that said we'd be sorry if we lynched his poor townie butt. If you're town, defend yourself and find the real scum. If you're scum, defend yourself and find a townie to lynch or a fellow scum to bus. As Scien has noted, Raivann has actually done a better job of defending himself recently, but don't waste our time with this nonsense.Raivann wrote:I'm not having fun.
Well for one I missed the RVS and the argument had already started, I don't think I got a post in until page 4.Scien wrote: Hmm. That's almost fair too. Why did your views change?
I read d3x in Iso and his posts did seem protown.
Actually your answering so far helps a bunch. I would like answers for my d3x question as as well as why you were bored at game start. I am willing to unvote if you cooperate here.