Mini 916 ~ Brrr Mafia. GAME OVER

[The1fifi]

Vote Jasper for being so well informed on scum methodology ^^

[The1fifi]

i know, my bad sorry, distracted

Vote Jasper

[The1fifi]

I voted jasper for one reason :

-The one i mentioned on my vote, so it was not RVs

I believe its normal to get suspicious of the first person to jump on the wagon

[The1fifi]

About what i think about Jasper acting. Well, if he is townie, he is just acting like a townie acted in my other game, (which is pretty bad btw..) and who got himself lynched pretty soon. Drawing to much atention, and for that i unvote him

unvote

[The1fifi]

I am not unvoting to "undraw" attention from him. I just say i witnessed something pretty similar happen before. That doesn't make him townie or scum to my eyes, but gives me no reason to keep my vote on him, since his attitude tends more to the townie side.

[The1fifi]

Well, since i had no reason to keep my vote on him, i withdraw it. don't see anything wrong with thath

[The1fifi]

Well, since i had no reason to keep my vote on him, i withdraw it. don't see anything wrong with thath

And also, if you didn't have a reason to keep your vote on him why did you say it wasn't a RV?

You done a good job twisting, or interpretating my words, in the way it fit for you. i understand from your prism my attitude may seem suspicious.

But at the time, when i voted him, he was the one with more reasons for me to vote ( cause everyone else had 0 reasons in my opinion, at that point). By the way he reacted to events, i found him to not being suspicious, so i withdraw my vote. Clear as water, and i am not pleasing anyone

[The1fifi]

@ Wacky : Unfortunately, people don't like wishy washing. Unfortunatetely for me, i don't like to keep my vote on someone i don't feel suspicious anymore. Atm, i have no one i'd like to vote, at least before i make a deep analyzis to this first 2 pages and find out who is the scum playing smoke and mirrors tactic

[The1fifi]

@DTMaster

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 10&start=0

As far as the less townie.. umm..maybe you, for questioning everyone, thus trying to create the maximum havoc possible i believe.

still, that might just be your modus operandi as townie.

But one i don't like, cause it doesnt focus on scumhunting, instead focus on creating confusion

[The1fifi]

@The1fifi

If noone steps up to the plate to address their issues, you just sit back and do nothing which is worse then scum hunting. This is passiveness to let the game naturally follow the ebb and flows of the game. I've seen it happen, and it's never pretty.

True.

I believe what i said is more correct in terms of mid game, or early mid game forth

[The1fifi]

@Mod - You didn't include me in the non voting list

Fixed, thanks.

Anyway, vote Seven for being too quiet

[The1fifi]

Damn, i forgot to bold

Vote Seven

Wait, he already posted

Unvote

Ermm.. still don't know where to put my vote.

@DT : Thanks for the explanation, but each one has its view and method of operating =P. I just believe that quality is better than quantity, in terms of questions and questioned.

[The1fifi]

@Jason : My vote wasn't random. i said it some posts after.

[The1fifi]

@ Echo, could you please post something? The only thing you posted was pointing at me, like "oh, look, he unvoted". and no one seems to adress you.

[The1fifi]

@ Seven : As to my eyes, he might tend to town. But that is just because that in the incident i refered, the guy who got lynched for pretty bad and similar playing, turned out to be town. Ofc, meta'ing two diferent people often gives no results, so i decide no thing from it. Null or townie tending, i unvoted

Unlike Jee says :

saying reasons will come later is a lot more acceptable at the time of a vote than no vote at all. Confirm or Deny?

Totally deny! Is much better to not vote than vote and possible lynch an innocent townie, or worst.. a power role pro-town.

Oh, but wait.. That is from townie perspective..

From the scum perspective.. Well, its one more vote, so more chance at someone innocent get lynched.

Jee, if you really are town, you are doing a really bad job at proving it.

Vote Jee.

[The1fifi]

@Jee : nice OMGUS

[The1fifi]

So DTM... do you actually suspect me of being scum or are you voting me because I don't buy into your Jasper wagon

Lets see

Nik/Jason corrected to Jasper/Nik..

Yet vote me now?

Honestly, I am getting an erattic read of you right now, like you don't know were to turn to.

Personally i find DTM is trying hard by reading other people and helping town with info. Oh wait.. "You don't know where to turn to". Sorry, but that is 100% town i believe. Anyway, my vote is not on DTM; I believe from what i ve read recently, that he is town, and i don't think he is the best option to wagon on.

[The1fifi]

I didnt say the action made him 100% town. I said the action itself was totally townie.

[The1fifi]

If he doesnt know where to turn, that means he doesnt know anyone's alignment.. want me to draw you a picture?

[The1fifi]

.

The main thing I see with DTM's Jason vote is that he's not really voting where he says his suspicions are.

That is true. Still, i find his a bad wagon, that's all. i don't have a feeling wi gonna see DTM flip scum, but hey.. lets hope he will. If he actually gets lynched

[The1fifi]

@ Wacky, if you read my posts carefully, you can see i didn't say he was 100% town. Unless you seen it, and decided to twist my words

You have some real good arguments on DTM, and i felt like jumping on the wagon right after reading them, but on your next post you also have some really good points on me. So i just believe you are pretty good at manipulating what people say, in your favour.

Plus, my wishi washy is part of my playing style, as you will see in future games, and can see in the other games i am atm.

I have even wishy washed in Precision Maifa, which was pretty bad from my part =/

I keep my vote where it is

[The1fifi]

The action itself. I already said that, a few posts above on this same page

[The1fifi]

I am so tempted in hammering DTM, but not after seing who put him at L-1

[The1fifi]

Cause i don't trust Mczombie is town aligned, thats all.

[The1fifi]

I'm really uncomfortable with a DTM lynch right now. If he flips town we literally have nothing to go on. We'll have wasted a day completely because we've focused on him so much and have hardly talked about anyone else. Even if he flips scum I'd be hard pressed to find clues on who he's buddying with at this point... So I think either way we shouldn't hammer so fast. I do think he's by far the scummiest player up until now, and I agree he should be lynched today, but not until we get more conversation going.

Well, to mimic some of McZombie gameplaying, i have to agree with this.

Wether it is in town's best interest or a scum tryin to save his mate. Being the last one unlikely.

[The1fifi]

@Zach : Unfortunately, i am still always eager to lynch early on, cause i am sort of an apreehnsive player.. Altough, i can see that hurrying this (as with all) lynch, is bad for town. Lets get an answer from DTM, and find some reactions from everyone

[The1fifi]

True, i contradicted myself! But there is one thing called changing my mind.. And wacky actually pointed out some stuff about DTM.

[The1fifi]

@Wacky : i understand you are an experienced player, and all you said in your last post sounds correct. But you know, you can't use maths and rules on people, because everyone has diferent ways of acting to reach their goals; some are better at expressing/hiding their feelings or true motives. I see my actions stray from a standard mafia game behaviour, but i am sort of a beginner, and i'd be really sorry to be lynched because of that.

[The1fifi]

Not lynched, i meant acused.

[The1fifi]

@Reg : Really good job.

Gona be busy for next day guys, sorry

[The1fifi]

Hi guys, had some free time and decided to do a quick iso on someone. i choosed Mczomb, cause i had an overall bad feeling from him. After the iso tought, i found out there isnt anything worth pointing out, besides the fact he is always agreeing and using other people's opinion to "attack" other players.

Not particulary scumming, but worthing paying attention to.

Another overall opinion coming hopefully later today

[The1fifi]

Vote Jasper

in memory of DTM.

[The1fifi]

@Wacky : No, i didn't target regfan

[The1fifi]

However, The1fifi is my #1, and I want to see his case on Jasper, though I doubt it exists. The "in memory" line is not sufficient.
Fifi's distancing/support of the DTM lynch looks REALLY bad to me.

I went back and read the beginning of the game, because that is when The1fifi decided to vote me, then when pressured promptly unvoted me... and said it was not a RV and that there was a reason to vote me (everyone else had 0 reasons)...

now on Day 2 opens up and votes me again... in "memory" of DTM... because he was saying I was scum in D1... yet, he was a liar, and did a ton of scummy things...

FOS: The1fifi

You wanna know why i think you are scum? well.. are you a cop?

[The1fifi]

I am not a cop. And I am not scum either. What are you implying, The1fifi?

Then my votes stays.

[The1fifi]

I am implying you are wether scum or a town power role.

[The1fifi]

*either scum...

[The1fifi]

Obviously i don't wanna claim. just like you. but for diferent reasons.

[The1fifi]

My votes stays.

[The1fifi]

@wacky : Jasper seems to be saying the truth about not being a cop or scum. I would say he is a third faction, but i think that is unlikely.. i am pretty positive we have a doctor, so i am gona claim. Jasper has a gun.

[The1fifi]

@Jasper : really? You gona vote me, even after i claimed gunsmith? Die scum

[The1fifi]

If you really aren't scum, there is no reason to vote you. and if you are not scum, then you have no reason to vote the town's gunsmith

[The1fifi]

unvote Jasper

for now.

[The1fifi]

I said for now. therefore i wait his reaction

[The1fifi]

[quote = "Jasper"]@Wacky - Yes, I have a gun, but there are no bullets in it. And with this snow, how am I going to get any? [/quote]

i am trying to figure out what this means. can someone try and shed some light on it?

[The1fifi]

[quote ="Jasper"] @Wacky - Yes, I have a gun, but there are no bullets in it. And with this snow, how am I going to get any? [/quote]

i am trying to figure out what this means. can someone try and shed some light on it?

[The1fifi]

wow, fail quoting -.- sorry

[The1fifi]

I said for now. therefore i wait his reaction

He already has reacted to a degree.

What do you think about the fact that he doesn't seem to be very forthcoming about WHY he has a gun?

I'm also interested in why Wacky was asking people if they targeted Regfan. I was hoping to see a follow up to that, but so far there hasn't been one.

Abou jasper:

I can see 3 scenarios:
- Jasper is town, and is a power-role. in this situation, its obvious he doesn't want to tell why he has a gun. In this case, it was a pretty bad play on my part, by exposing 2 pro town roles players.
-Jasper is actually scum no matter what he says. (altough i get a "truth" vibe from him. but its easy to make a poker face in forum gaming, so...)
-Jasper is a serial killer??

[The1fifi]

About Wacky... I was curious about the "have you targeted regfan" too..

Wacky, care to explain?»

[The1fifi]

@Nikanor

1st : You defend Jasper from DTM.

2nd : When i reveal that jasper has a gun and i vote him, you vote me and cast suspicion over myself, quickly agreing with cam.

I start to doubt Jasper is being truthful, and i start to believe in the Nikanor/Jasper scum theory.

[The1fifi]

@ McZombie :You re first post of today was an amazing tuneling. really.

@Cam : Yes, i may have screwed up, but this is a mini-normal. I choose to share the information i gathered as soon as possible, so we can have more chances of getting the right person. I don't mind being killed, and i believe we have a doctor.
Agree with the no more claims. Sorry.



@Nikanor : You re right, you voted me before i claimed. I am really sorry.

[The1fifi]

@Jasper : I believe my role is sort of confuse, since the read i have on you only says you have some sort of power. Altough you said you can't use it.

Assuming i believe in you, i must agree to a miller theory.


Still, you reacted too agressively, voting me immediately.

I am suspecting you, nikanor (altough i did a bad read, really sorry, so i need to review it) and mcZombie, the tunneling master.

[The1fifi]

@Fifi
Im sorry if almost all your posts on page 12 were absolutly ridiculous and I thought it scummy. That is until i was corrected on what a gunsmith was ans what their role is. What are other reasons why you suspect me, other than my 'tunnel' post?

Your avatar -.-

[The1fifi]

Not liking DTMaster right now.

Eluding to a post restriction in a mini normal game is just made of all kinds of fail.

Also not liking the way he was so willing to follow Jee's vote without an explanation for the vote, or how quickly he turned on Jee once Jee explained the vote. (Consequently I don't find Jee's play paticularly scummy either.)

Also didn't like his pressure on Jasper for links to games where he encountered all the types of scum. Mainly because I don't see what Jasper has to PROVE he's encountered all different types of scum. It just seems like a pointless, pretending to scum hunt point.

Vote: DTMaster

Also worthy of an

FOS

is fifi.

Vote Jasper for being so well informed on scum methodology ^^

Why is that scummy?

About what i think about Jasper acting. Well, if he is townie, he is just acting like a townie acted in my other game, (which is pretty bad btw..) and who got himself lynched pretty soon. Drawing to much atention, and for that i unvote him

unvote

Wishy Washy. I want a better explanation.

Also noting that Jasper never reacted to fifi's vote.

jee:

As for my vote, I was only doing it to get a response out of him. And seeing as he is gone... I don't think that is going to happen. Unvote.

I think this can be a scum tactic... I think someone else already brought this up so I won't elaborate, but since jee just explicitly stated that he actually had no reasons for his vote it seems weird.

I have been going back and forth on voting for DTM or jee... but this vote for no reason then unvote for no real reason...

Vote: jee

Welcome to the game Zachrules!

First I have heard of you being suspicious of anyone. Why do you find DTMaster scummy?

This is a pretty interesting post.

1st -Once again, someone protects jasper.
2nd -This is the beginning of the DTM wagon. And based on pretty frail reasons.
3rd- Fail is not = scum
4th-Protects jasper again, this time from me.

[The1fifi]

Vote Zachrulez

[The1fifi]

That was absolutely without question the most bullshit wagon hop on I have ever seen in my life.

Vote:The1fifi

More later.

Ouch, hit with an OMGUS right in the face

[The1fifi]

I had to choose someone.

And DTM was all over Jasper.. And DTM fliped scum.. And jasper was on DTM' wagon.

I believe it was a good night choice.

Plus i got positive results.

[The1fifi]

I don't know where to keep my vote. either zach or jasper.. help?

[The1fifi]

Let me get this straight. The reason you chose Jasper was because he was on DTM's wagon?

Seriously?

There were 6 other people to chose from in that regard, what made him so special?

I gave other 2 reasons, which you ignored

[The1fifi]

But hey, can you find someone on DTM's wagon that you think was a better target?


Plus, the scum gunsmith is indeed an interesting role. Not sure if it was ever used that way.

But i am Town. I can't prove that of course. But i can prove i am the gunsmith, since jasper confirms he has a gun.

Speaking about it... Jasper role seems suspicious..

Argh, zach or jasper?

[The1fifi]

Yes, I now have an empty gun

Omg. one shot vigilante. That means we have a doctor, who protected whoever scum targeted during the night?

[The1fifi]

I believe so... That changes a lot, if you ar indeed a one shot vig, who already used its shot. re-read everything =/

[The1fifi]

I don't know where to keep my vote. either zach or jasper.. help?

Why don't you decide for yourself rather than looking for an authority to appeal to?

So you are ignoring the fact that i adressed you about ignoring my other 2 reasons?

[The1fifi]

Fifi also seems very interested in the potential existence of a doctor for reasons I can't fathom.

Don't even try to acuse me of role fishing

[The1fifi]

Fifi also seems very interested in the potential existence of a doctor for reasons I can't fathom.

Don't even try to acuse me of role fishing

Why not it's what you were doing...

*sigh* there is no point in role fishing in this game, even if i was scum.

mini normals don't make atractive role fish targets imo.

[The1fifi]

Well, jasper is corroborating my theory that he is a one shot vig, and we have a doctor who was succesfull last night. I don't know if jasper is saying the truth, or enjoyed my idea and is just going with it.

@Cam : You said no more role claims and now you attack jasper for not claiming?

[The1fifi]

Well, jasper is corroborating my theory that he is a one shot vig, and we have a doctor who was succesfull last night. I don't know if jasper is saying the truth, or enjoyed my idea and is just going with it.

@Cam : You said no more role claims and now you attack jasper for not claiming?

Now you are presuming that Jasper is a one shot vig, and seem to be stating from a position of knowledge that there was a blocked NK.

Why do you not seem to be considering the alternative?

I am not presuming. Jasper said he is a one shot vig. pay attention to the game

[The1fifi]

@Jason : i don't wanna expose anything, only jasper. And how is my platy bad for town atm? We got a lot of info from my claim, and a lot of reactions. I don't mind being lynched, cause now town as a lot to work on.

[The1fifi]

Now you are presuming that Jasper is a one shot vig

I am not presuming. You are either bad at gramatics or are tryin to set me up.

[The1fifi]

Now you are presuming that Jasper is a one shot vig,[]b and seem to be stating from a position of knowledge that there was a blocked NK[/b]

If jasper's claim is true, yay, that is what hapened.

[The1fifi]

@Jason : i don't wanna expose anything, only jasper. And how is my platy bad for town atm? We got a lot of info from my claim, and a lot of reactions. I don't mind being lynched, cause now town as a lot to work on.

So wait, you don't mind being lynched.. I really doubt anyone who is town would willingly be lynched. It is a very anti-town stance at least in my view. If town has alot to work on... then why not try and help them instead of 'not minding' being lynched.

Your play is bad because you are willingly trying to expose power roles as demonstrated by a few people...

The only role i am interested in, is jasper's. The rest is a lot of diferent scenarios i am thinking about and sharing with you.

And not minding being lynched is bad for whatever faction i am in, so don't say i am scum because i that.

What i meant is, i know my play is definetely strange and i agree that some townies, helped by the scum, will lynch me. Fine. When i flip, that will give you a lot to work on. Of course its better you lynch real scum.

[The1fifi]

Why only Jaspers claimed role... why no interested in the scum?

Cause i know he has a gun. thats either scum or a power role. or both

[The1fifi]

Why isn't Fifi an acceptable lynch today?

I still don't like his initial reaction to Jasper before the claim, or the presumptions made in that reaction.

The cop fishing is ridiculously unforgivable IMO.

You re the one who manipulated what i said, so it could look like a role fish. I am more convinced than ever that you are scum. You are using everything i say against me, plus you are doing a major tuneling on me

[The1fifi]

@Cam : Well, a scum gunsmith could actually claim, and incriminate a townie in situation C. But it would be better to night kill that person and push for a lynch on someone, since the scum already knew his role. WIth the addition that after that person's role is revealed, a town doctor could protect him.
Plus, about the serial killer is more likely to be jasper than me.
Nonetheless, i believe jasper's claim.
That makes me main suspect Zach. Yes, i jumped on the wagon Cam made. Cause she had a pretty good points against zach. Plus, zach has been avoiding some of the stuff i say and carefully chosing to quote the ones he finds easier to use for acusing me as scum.

@Zach: Once again you ignored one of my statements. I acused you of tuneling. are you fine with that?

[The1fifi]

*makes MY main suspect .... -.-

[The1fifi]

How does needing to keep your head down apply in a situation where you can simply claim to be a town gunsmith?

Also, why not claim results to the town if you think it can help you lynch a likely pr? There's a clear potential benefit to the scum in that situation, and Fifi has the perfect excuse that a positive gun result is NOT confirmed scum.

Possibility D is simply WIFOM. Afterall, the whole mess came after you openly said you were suspicious of both of them did it not?

Also Fifi is ridiculously scummy, which is my biggest reason for having my vote on him.

once again you keep tuneling on me, ignoring everything i said.

[The1fifi]

I am also extremely bothered by Fifi's wishy washy voting patterns.

How do you go from being certain enough to vote him, to not really being certain enough to vote him to almost downright believing his claim? None of it makes any sense to me.

Neither does all the speculation you threw out about doctors and failed kills. I don't understand how you could have that kind of insight WITHOUT being scum.

yh, my insight is so big that i didn't even tought about crosskills -.-

[The1fifi]

DTM was suposedly SUPER scummy and fliped town. And the 2 of the 3 players that are attacking me were on his wagon. ummm..
The scum team in this game is very good at manipulating people and taking advantage of their mistakes. Plus, they tunnel so hard that towns who don't know who to vote end up voting on the "popular" lynch.

More:

Regfan said:

jbernier93 you better have a damn good reason for that hammer. Otherwise I'm voting you tomorrow for sure.

Where is that reason jbernier?





All i said is truth. And given that, and the fact that zach once again ignored my acusations, i have nothing else to say, besides zach is scum.

And a big

Fos

at jason (good play agreing with camn, and not buddying with ur scum partner zach)

[The1fifi]

@Jason : I don't have a case on zach? if you don't read the thread carefully its not my business.

[The1fifi]

Also, maybe you should read the game also

jbernier93 you better have a damn good reason for that hammer. Otherwise I'm voting you tomorrow for sure.

Where is that reason jbernier?

Though his reasons are weak, he has already given us answers to that twice.

Here

No, I assumed nothing of the sort. DTM had made his posts, so I was ready to hammer him... I wanted him dead, simple as that

And here

B) It looked to me as though he was done... he said

TD;DR version: READ MY WALL

Tis all a good night.

Though, reading it again...

the I wanted him dead simple as that does stand out quite a bit to me

Good lord, someone who doesn't tunnels me.

jason, what examples? quoting? no ty, if you do a careful read there is everything there.

yes, my play sucks
yes, i may have claimed to soon
yes, jasper doeas have a gun.
no, i am not scum
yes, zach is my number one suspect

This is the holy true, i have found my scum. Now you guys do your part

[The1fifi]

Cause i find zach to be more scummy.
I still believe in jasper's claim.

[The1fifi]

I don't know. I don't feel jasper is scum after his recent posts, but still i am afraid the truth os right in front of me and i am not seing it.

About jbernier and wacky. Well, jbernier seems a much more likely candidate to wagon.

I see you guys don't share my opinion about zach, but i keep my coinvictions. Plus after i acused him of tuneling he quickly turned his focus on other players instead of answering me directly. Zach, i never played with you before. You said you are usually acused of having "a off play". i understand that, cause thats what happens to me. Still, as far as i can see you are the most scummy player.


If town doesn't agree with what i said about zach i'd join a jbernier wagon, at least to make him post more.

[The1fifi]

Stop pretending that I am doing things I am not actually doing... like tunneling you.

nice play, but that post was before i voted you.
Now i have no doubt you are scum.

[The1fifi]

Yeah, I don't like 433 at all.

Unvote: Vote: Seven

Well, one of the reasons why ou were acusing me of being scum was because i imediately hoped on your wagon with "little reason" and "following cam's lead".

You are doing the exact same thing.

I also don't like Seven's last posts, but zach remains my main suspect.


Abour jbernier.. Well, he is right about me and shares my opinion about jasper. Don't know if you already knew that we were both town cause you are scum, or if you are just good at analyzing.

[The1fifi]

@Zach : You voted seven immediately after jbernier. But i see Seven as a good lynch too.

unvote

Vote Seven

[The1fifi]

One thing i also noticed :

Seven posts general idea are like this:

"Lets lynch him, if he is town will see what we cand o from there.." ; "Lets lynch him, just to be safe"

This is scum at his best.

[The1fifi]

Multiple gun shots to the chest

It may only be flavour..

BUT

If it isn't, then i think it points for a crosskill indeed. But if there is a 3rd party/Serial killer... the chances of the three of them, Jasper/SK/Scum, shooting the same player are pretty slim.

I maintain my opinion that zach is scum, but i know i don't have enough arguments to push for his lynch, so i ll just try to figure out what is the best wagon for town.

@Nikanor :

McZ can use some attention

Really? Is he the one who needs attention or you tring to shift our focus from the actual scum? I don't find mcZ particularly scummy atm, but i agree he should post a bit more..

you(Jasper) need to stop lurking

Nik, if jasper is lurking and you voted voted mcZ for similar reasons, why not vote jasper?

[The1fifi]

@Jasper : ah, you corrected the post. cause i was only refering to Nik.

@Wacky : What do you think about the odds of a crosskill?

[The1fifi]

It was obvious mafia would shot reg, cause he just came in to sub and suddenly was posting huge amounts of info and generating a lot of discussion. i think i am gona do a quick iso of reg.

About the speed at which seven wagon built up.. yes, it is also strange.. but i think a iso of reg ight shed some light on it

[The1fifi]

Reg says:

Nikanor seems to be hanging back a bit, not as aggressive as other players. I don't think that personally is scummy or a town tell either, but I'd like to see more of his thoughts on who he believes to be town.

He tries to put more suspicion on DT through this quote
Quote:
But in that game, Spinach did lists with scum at the top, so I don't know how you got a list with scum at the bottom. You're just making stuff up to cover your ass, now.


The order of scum being top or bottom really means nothing, it's just a scale where you can order your thoughts on everyone. I think this is just Nik trying to 'create' reasons to push this DT lynch even further and thus makes me suspect him.

Overall Thoughts - Scummy.

I have agree with this apreciation of Nik.

Fos

Reg overall toughts about Jasper :

Overall Thoughts – Scummy, possibly mafia.

Besides that MCZombie was his main suspect, and is the one reg’s vote was on.


I think jasper is indeed town, and the fact that reg was acusing him made jasper chose reg as his target, for feeling he was being framed, or for OMGUS.

Anyway, wacky is right; Seven's wagon built too quickly and there must be scum in it..That or wacky is saving his partner's ass.. But wacky is one of my strongest town reads, so i ll just go with the assumption he is indeed town..


Of the 4 people in that wagon:
Me - ...
Jasper - I believe he is indeed a not-scum aligned one shot vig.
Jbernier - Don't know what to think about him, but sort of suspicious imo.
Zach - I keep saying Zach is must definetely scum. I am afraid i may be wrong, but he definetely is my strongest scum suspect.

The thing is, of this 4 players, the only one reg acused of being possible scum is jasper.. and i think jasper is town, or at least not scum..

So

Unvote

Vote McZomb

At least while no one else sees zach the way i do.

[The1fifi]

My vote on mcz.. well, i was just thinking why would scum shoot reg? Cause he was a new player, but as soon as he catch up, he posted a lot of good posts. He acused Nik and McZombie of being scum. I believe they might be scum indeed, but nik as contributed a little more to the game than his zombie friend(?).

About seven's wagon, it indeed was stagnant after my vote.. and yes, i don't like his posts too. But i'd like mcz to post more, and if it takes a wagon for him to do it, lets go.
All he done so far is agreeing with others, using other player's arguments, and "adding air to the game"

[The1fifi]

jbernier93: Looking increasingly suspicious.

Expound please? The only thing negative you've said about me was that I found Seven suspicious before he even posted (which wasn't true, I just didn't mind keeping my RV on him until he actually posted some content) and that "scumhunted too early," which doesn't make any sense in my mind, since usually I'm accused of not scumhunting at all.

Why are you so defensive about him being suspicious of you?

[The1fifi]

Explain how asking for reasons as to why I'm suspicious is being defensive?

Wow, now you are being amazingly defensive! you refused to answer me, and countered with a question. Why would you avoid my question, jbernier?

[The1fifi]

@Camn : I don't think it l-1. I unvoted for now, while we w8 for Mcz to do something...

[The1fifi]

Well, for me its fine, i find him suspicious, but i'd like to hear Mcz. And i don't want another quick hammer (looks furious at jbernier)

[The1fifi]

But on the other hand, I still rather skeptical of Jasper's innocence. 1. He did only claim he had no bullets in his gun after The1fifi claimed gunsmith,
2.

I really don't like how he's ultra-defensive - all of his votes have been OMGUS,

3. Cross-kills, while they happen, aren't that common.

He has been playing like that the whole game. i can't figure if that is a scumtell or his usual playstile.

[The1fifi]

But I did answer your question, albiet implicity. Simply put, I was not being overly defensive, I simply wanted to know why Wacky found me scummy. I find it curious that you find asking questions "defensive," when clearly I'm just trying to play a proper game of mafia, a game in which the key way of obtaining information is asking questions. I'm rather confused, why do you find my supposedly defensive actions objectionable/scummy?

I know the basis of this game his questions. And answering them with something

different than even more questions

.

When you answer with a question, you are either afraid of answering ; want to shift the theme of talk ; want more reactions from the person asking, so you can know what type of answer you should give.

And of course i find this scummy, thats why i pointed it out

[The1fifi]

Yeh, the game is really slow atm. I'd like everyone to post, cause still, i am not confident in lynching seven or jasper, who seem the most probable lynches

[The1fifi]

I am a bloodthirsty whore.

Wow. Thats hot. -.-

[The1fifi]

Plus, in seriousness, I think the best discussion comes at L-1.

Thats right.

[The1fifi]

You have been thinking about me during weekend, now that was hot too -.-

Back to all seriousness, i want to hear from Mcz, Seven and from zach. We all need to decide what is the best lynch.

[The1fifi]

Not really, but we had a strong discussion for a few days, and it ended. but its weekend so its fine.

[The1fifi]

Yes you did Zach.

[The1fifi]

Cman, girls can broke promises too, and i sufered hard on that.

I wouldn't mind go for Mcz. Either he or Seven are suspects to me, and are sort of inactive..

[The1fifi]

Btw, we can discuss something while we w8 for seven and mcz.

Assuming i get succesfully protected, would you like my investigation to be town oriented or not?

[The1fifi]

Like you

sugest

a player to be investigated

[The1fifi]

Oh yeah. Sorry, I'm spacing...

Doesn't matter to me, I'm fine with you deciding that.

Why? isn't there anyone you'd like to be investigated?

[The1fifi]

Those look the more townish to me, i didn't even considered them.. But i'll keep that in my mind anyway.

[The1fifi]

Not jbernier ffs.. misread for jason. sorry

[The1fifi]

Damn -.-

[The1fifi]

Welcome seven. We are waiting for your post

[The1fifi]

Like you

sugest

a player to be investigated

No no no no no SHUT UP!

Players trying to direct PRs are scummy

. Now you've opened up the floor to anyone who wants to do it, so now it can no longer be used as a scumtell. :/
And as Jason said, asking the town allows you to be influenced by scum... it's best to just pick your night choices yourself.

don't tell me.. i was fishing for that, but no scum fell for it.

[The1fifi]

Not really. I BAITED. It looks less scummy in case they had fall for it, but anyway, its more info. And we need all info we can gather.

[The1fifi]

For example, Zach was eager pointing he doesn't want to direct the investigation, but after i insisted, he revealed he'd like me to investigate wacky and you. This could be of some use in the future.

[The1fifi]

The jailkeepr thing is making me think a LOT!!

Wacky could indeed have been the target, and that makes him confirmed town. That plus the fact that everyone has been having town vibes from him. Also, in terms of maths this is the more likely situation.. BUT..

Wacky has been realy determined in making us believe in cross kills. Thats because he is scum and knew he was roleblocked/jailed. It makes perfect sense to me. I'd like to hear your toughts on this theory, everyone.

About Seven. He says 8+ times " if jasper flips scum, fifi is scum... if jasper flips scum, fifi is scum..." Why are you so focused in pointing that out? If jasper indeed flips scum, i'd be really suspicious of you.


So, to resume. My wacky theory contradicts a bit the fact that seven/jasper thing.. So, if wacky is indeed scum, that clears my suspicions from seven about being worried about jasper's fliping. But this is "if X flips..." territory, and that is too abstract. Plus, i have been suspicious of zach the whole time, and i don't know if i can believe his claim. Everyone has been criticizing my rather soonish claim, and he now also claims? Scum gambit or town worried about passing info?


I am trying to decide who would be the best lynch today, in terms of info..We have here a lot of things that can be found out, once we find one player's alignment, and we should focus on deciding, who that player is..

Unvote

Mcz is pretty useless in terms of info now...

@

Prod him mod

Who you guys think is the best lynch? I'd say wacky or seven, but wacky looks so town to me..

[The1fifi]

Hmmm, Zach...why did you choose Wacky, I did an Iso on you and on day 1 you made no mention of him whatso ever.

Were u suspicious of him, or did you feel he would be targeted? As the way I understand the jail keeper if you pick one person you jail them, and they can not target someone with their night action or be targetted themselves.

So the question is, were u protecting Wacky, or were you trying to stop someone, you suspect as scum?

though these do make a bit more sense now.

I'm also interested in why Wacky was asking people if they targeted Regfan. I was hoping to see a follow up to that, but so far there hasn't been one.

I also feel like something is off about Wacky. I don't like the gambit she pulled. It risked outing a real tracker/watcher. Not to mention that without actually being a tracker/watcher, she would not be able to verify the response anyway.

If we must lynch someone else, I would prefer wagoning Jbernier or Wacky.

My opinion is you want it would be to investigate Wacky or Jbernier.

Your claim does make somewhat sense given what you have just revealed Zach, you have been giving small hints about Wacky for a while, given only one kill I am assuming this is why you said you would prefer a Wacky lynch,

or a Wacky investigation?

(as well as JB)

Indeed, zach said that, and indeed it makes sense.. which leads me closer to believing his claim

[The1fifi]

Think about why all your doc speculation bothered me Fifi...

I am doing a quick read of you, and it all makes sense so far.. Damn, we have a pretty cool web of info, and we need to find whose lynch helps us read it better.

[The1fifi]

Hm. With this new information and Jasper's recent actions... I feel like the right thing to do is to

vote: jasper

.
Basically I feel like the current combination of claims and posts from Wacky, Fifi, Jasper, and Zach makes this the optimal move. I know this sounds like crap, but if I say anymore I worry that I would be helping the scum more than the town.

It does sound like crap, and that is why i am going with it.

unvote

Vote jasper

[The1fifi]

Not exactly, jbernier. She even uses the flavour text as a possible evidence of cross kills

[The1fifi]

Not exactly, jbernier. She even uses the flavour text as a possible evidence of cross kills

She says that it's a possibility, but she never seriously considers it, as evidenced by the fact that

she literally argues against it in several posts.

.
Yes, i noticed it later

[The1fifi]

Well sorry to say this but I think you should tell what it is. I'm seriously reconsidering my vote right now because of Zach's claim.

It concerns another person's role. It's purely speculation, and my theory could still be wrong even if Jasper turns scum. I don't want to elaborate, because if I do, then I could just be giving someone who is scum a roleclaim. And if my theory is correct, then I'm outing a role. Thus, I can't elaborate any further.

Jbernier, just shut the hell up.

Fos

at Seven for forcing you claim

[The1fifi]

Hm. With this new information and Jasper's recent actions... I feel like the right thing to do is to

vote: jasper

.
Basically I feel like the current combination of claims and posts from Wacky, Fifi, Jasper, and Zach makes this the optimal move. I know this sounds like crap,

but if I say anymore I worry that I would be helping the scum more than the town

.

@Fifi: I'm not forcing JB to "claim" anything, I asked what his theory was.

How was I supposed to know there would be another role involved?

@JB: Fair enough.

I sort of tought it involved a role right away, when i saw his post, prior to yours.

He said he couldn't tell more or he'd be helping scum. So why the hell you wanted him to say anything else? To help you, read: scum?

[The1fifi]

Hmm.

Given this is the truth, Zach, and given Sotty7 is precise with his flavor, it seems that a crosskill would be flavor-consistent.. and a blocked kill inconsistent.

Hmm.

Lets lynch the Zombie. I hate replacements.

still reading through, but i need to answer this..


Altough i find mcz scummy, i don't wanna go for a lynch whose flip wont give us any info relating this recent events.

Are you tryin to mislead us?

[The1fifi]

I am exploring WACKY right now, Seven. Please.

Given Jasper killed Regfan...
If Jasper = scum, then Wacky-scum's kill was not blocked.
If Jasper = town, then Wacky-scum's kill was not blocked.

You unnastan?

Yes, thats why lynching jasper is the best today. it will give us a load of info.

[The1fifi]

.

3. Blocked kill (Scum kill fails <i.e. they targeted me>, Jasper as Vig kills Regfan)

Buried in a snowman as flavour sounds distinctly anti-town, but I can't say I can rule it out.

I liked wacky's last post, seems pretty townish and makes good points.

but this quote part.. once again we are just going with the flavour thing.

[The1fifi]

Weighing in on the whole flavor thing, the problem with the word "multiple" is that it's not a clear number of shots. It's hard to accept that as proof that it indicates a vig and mafia kill under the logic that each got a shot, when multiple is not clearly two shots, but could be more than two shots.

That's just the issue I'm seeing with using the flavor either way.

The question is.. can you read that flavor as a TOWN VIG, with ONE BULLET killing regfan.. whilst the scum attempted to kill Wacky? Cuz I can't.

Single scum kill? yes.
Multiple kill? YES.

But none of these options has Wacky as a target, or Wacky as scum.

This is true, and if jasper is indeed one-shot vig, we can't say wacky is blocked scum

[The1fifi]

But i agrew with Seven about waiting for Mcz replacement.

[The1fifi]

Two things made me vote him:

-First, i realized i was believing him too much. this is mafia, fifi, you dolly -.-

-Second, after all the claims, and not-claims, and claim fishing.. He is the best person to be lynched in terms of info. The thing is: There is a strong probability of him being scum. If he isn't, it can also be considered a policy lynch. I think it really is our best option

[The1fifi]

No, Incognito... I had never encountered the gunsmith before.

You are not gona adress anything else?

[The1fifi]

And welcome Inc!! Good luck.

[The1fifi]

Right now, I haven't had the time to go to that post and quote every point and say things about each one. But if I believe you to be scum (as I do), it wouldn't make a difference because you already know me to be town.

Really? What about the other players? You sort of need to prove us your alignment, or share your toughts. Thats what a town player would do, not just give up. Which makes me more confident we gona see you flip scum.

[The1fifi]

@jasper : you spend lots of time posting one liners, and ignoring acusations/questions. Then you answer only to Seven? And acuse him of tuneling.. when you are tuneling him..

More than a policy lynch, you look more scummy every post.

[The1fifi]

Well, that is one interesting post and makes the jasper lynch even more important in terms of info

[The1fifi]

And my putting The1fifi at neutral is:

1. because I think that roleclaims aren't everything in mafia and The1fifi has been doing a few things that are a bit suspicious,

for example claiming on Jasper and then just believing his claim and letting the issue



I'm liking Camn less by the post, for example. S

omething just doesn't rub right with me. If someone puts a good case together against her, I'd consider switching..

First, where is my vote wacky?

Second, altough i share your opinion about camn, i don't see any case on her and its only a gut feeling. plus, lynching her wouldn't be the best move in terms of info.

[The1fifi]

I think jason totally overeacted to camn's post, after she said she would be happy with a jasper lynch. Its something that jumped to my eyes, from my catch up.

Feeling Seven more townish, and ansious for Nik or jasper to post.

[The1fifi]

Well, i start to feel we have good info to go with during day 2.


@Jasper : Have you given up on your defence? I'd love to hear from you.

[The1fifi]

Given up? I have given it. Apparently the policy lynch is the way to go. I am beginning to wonder if the real scum (starting to have doubts about Wacky & Seven being scum) are not wanting to L-1 or hammer...

Interesting you say that. Players not voting you:

Jason : We were just discussing he could be your scum partner. (

Zach : One of my top suspects

Nik : Prodded.

Incognito : I am enjoying his posts, but he is sort of contradicting. When he says we should look at the possibility of jason being scum, only after your (@Jasper) flip. BUT, his vote is on Jason... ummm. Don't like this.

Camn : If she is so bloodthirsty, why she jumped of the wagon? Don't get it, and love to see her answering this.

Yourself : You are voting Seven, who you admit to doubt he is scum, and who is also on your wagon. Curiously, you acuse those who are NOT in your wagon of being scum, and "ilibate" 1/2 of the players on your wagon sayin you "Doubt they are scum".

So, if "scum doesn't want to l-1 or hammer", that is one more reason to lynch you, is it not?

[The1fifi]

Jasper indicates new suspicions, but prefers a broad brush over elaboration.

Which is totally anti town.

So we either have:

Town jasper, being totally anti town, and a really good policy lynch (confirmed by himself)

Or scum-jasper.. being totally anti town and a really good policy lynch (confirmed by himself).

[The1fifi]

@Jasper : The town vig? Wasn't it a one shot vig? You are vanilla now, so you being a vig is no excuse. Plus, your post seems totally forced by mine and zach's last posts.

You unvote after i question you. You repeat what i said about incog.

Thats a 0 content post, that says : I am scum, i ve given up, but i ll make a last effort..but not a big one.

[The1fifi]

I already expressed that desire too

[The1fifi]

Thats a hammer folks. Doctor, cover my ass please?

[The1fifi]

I don't mind waiting for massclaim to reveal my result. As town wishes.

[The1fifi]

How convenient. All vanillas. Thats 5 vanillas total for town right? + 1 jaikeeper and +1 gunsmith.. ummm...

I don't buy it, and i am gona give a serious

Fos

to camn, seven and inc. And iso the three of you.

[The1fifi]

Ok, i am comfortable with seven so far, seems town to me, so i am gona cross check if any of the other "vanillas" were in his wagon.

[The1fifi]

Ok, camn was on Seven wagon. At the time incog was not even playing..

I am gona iso camn, but so far i am confident for

Vote Camn

[The1fifi]

Well, my toughts on camn:

-In her first post she calls me obvscum.
-Yet, she quickly believes my claim.
-One of the three vanilla claims i am suspicious of.
-Of those three, she was on one of the others (seven, who i find really townie ) wagon..
-She is agressive towards everyone, altough there is almost no interaction between her and wacky.

Fos at her

-Camn's play is really agressive and.. let me find a word.. vague/wandering i say.
-The main idea i get from her is she is trying to cast suspicion over everyone, and doing it really agressively, (soft)claiming town in various posts.

I am really convinced she is scum, and i'd suport her lynch for today. I'd love to hear the rest of the claims.

[The1fifi]

A) camn lynch = town loss
B) you were scummy, FIFI.. but your claim would have been outlandish for scum.
C) I am historically very aggressive, as town AND scum.
D) there is no such thing as soft-claiming town.

E) I actually am realizing with horror that 12 players, 1 protective, 1 investigative, a 1-shot vig, and 3 scum is pretty classic in terms of balance.

F) @ Seven.. the difference is this: if FiFI has a positive result, scum need to fake-claim around it. if they know his results, they can claim vanilla.

Well, i supose scum would not post something like this, would they camn? I mean, this strategy helps town IF i got a positive result. But you already know my result, do you not? So you can claim vanilla safely, and "alert" town to claim before my "result".

[The1fifi]

Sorry for the big size -.-

[The1fifi]

And i agree with incog post that ninja'd me. Lets wait for everyone'c claim.

[The1fifi]

Given the pressure you are putting on me, If I WERE scum, I would be figuring you had a guilty on me, and I would have fake-claimed Vig or Miller or something.
But, being town, I can safely claim Vanilla, knowing you can't have a guilty on me if you are sane.

1- You claimed before i threw out my suspicions.

2- If you are town, why don't you even contemplate the possibility that i am scum trying to push for your mislynch?

Plus, were is your agressivness? You are being all defensive. Sorry, you are scum.

AND i don't need to go after who i got a positive result. I need to go after his buddy(s)

[The1fifi]

Nice misrep. Still, you said nothing about me being scum. And of course you are eager for my "result", you know it

[The1fifi]

Calm down Camn. Lets wait for the claims. And i didn't say i have a guilt on you. Everything will be explained, lets wait for the claims. I don't buy it you are so sure i am town. From obvscum to obvtown just because of a claim? Could happen, but

FOS!!

at INCOG! I don't like how you are always agreeing with me, and confirming my points of view, its like you are also 100% convinced i am town, altough at least you always said that and didn't say i was obvscum like camn.

[The1fifi]

Wacky reinforced something i was also thinking about incog. @Wacky : Why did you ignore my post about you being camn's buddy? and what is your opinion on my camn case?

[The1fifi]

Yes, both of them are suspicious indeed. And jbernier too, and a bit more suspicious i'd say, since he hamered a town player and had reg against him for that. Of course scum could notice that and kill him so we would think ..meh... nevermind, WIFOM..

Camn wasn't on his list, cause Echo was a hardcore lurker, there was nothing to go on about him. So, resuming:

-I am very suspicious of Camn, Incog and jbernier
-I am suspicious of nik
-In case Camn is scum, i'd really look into incog being scum too.
-At the moment i am waiting for nik's claim, but unless it is something odd, i am up for a camn lynch.

[The1fifi]

Well, i can understand Nik being inactive, since he was moving and all. But at the moment i'll be very suspicious of everyone under the radar.

Plus, while we wait for nik's claim, i have been thinking.. why did scum targeted the jailkeeper instead of me?

[The1fifi]

You don't really acuse someone of being scum. Could you please name your top suspect or place a vote on him?

[The1fifi]

Jb? I don't see him as a good lynch at all. I am up for a camn lynch.

And prod nik, really.

[The1fifi]

I have to agree with camn. I understand the situation, and i am liking your last posts, which worries me, cause that means a change in your playstyle.

My result? Well, i was roleblocked.

Incog, i like your case on nikanor.. but not that much that i'll go with it. You could be guiding a mislynch over a town lurker. I need to do a iso of camn, to be sure i can let go of her, and analyze nikanor. Can everyone please post the person whose lynch they would support the most?

Plus, i also consider looking carefully at everyone assuming i am town without question.


And about the jailkeeper.. well, its a protective role, but its not that good, cause it can't protect a power role withouth roleblocking him.

[The1fifi]

10th Vote count of day two

Seven 5: (

jbernier93

, Zachrulez, Jasper, Camn,

Nikanor

)

Jasper 2: (Wacky, Seven)
McZombie 1: (The1fifi)

Not Voting 2:

McZombie, jasonT1981

-With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch
-Deadline is 3/8 @ 8am CST[/color]

Final Vote count of day two

Jasper 6: (

Wacky

, Seven,

jbernier93

, The1fifi, Zachrulez,

Nikanor

)

JasonT1981 2: (Incognito, Camn)
Camn 1: (jasonT1981)

Not Voting 1:

Jasper

-A lynch has been reached.
-Mod scene up coming...[/color]

Last vote count of day one

DTMaster 7: (

Wacky

, Jasper, Echo, jasonT1981, McZombie,

Nikanor

,

jbernier93

)

The1fifi 1: (Zachrulez)
Regfan 1: (The1fifi)
Jasper 1: (DTMaster)
McZombie 1: (Regfan)

Not Voting 1:

Seven

-A lynch has been reached
-Mod scene forthcoming...

(i am just gona assume you all believe i am town, so it is easiest to do this)

Ok.. Of the 5 people not in the DTm wagon, 4 of them are confirmed town, except seven. That makes us 100% sure at least 2 scum are in it. Ok, now we cross check with jasper's wagon.

People on both of them:
-Wacky
-Jbernier
-Nikanor

Two of this players are definetely suspicious, and we can consider wacky to be doing a good job as scum playing town. That gives us a really good percentage of hitting scum, if we lynch one of this 3 players.

NOW, we look at the 5 person quick wagon that formed on Seven during day 2.. And who is on Dtm's wagon, jasper's wagon AND the Seven quickwagon?

-Jbernier.
-Nikanor.

I am really confident about lynching one of this players, and i'd like to hear everyone's opinion.

[The1fifi]

Unvote Vote jbernier

[The1fifi]

To ilibate wacky when he flips scum

[The1fifi]

how do you relate jason to the other 2?

[The1fifi]

Well, from Nik's last post, i can't figure out if you are scum or not. But i can figure out that my vote is in the right place.

[The1fifi]

Day 1 jbernier posts:

Anywho, unvote because DTM's latest posts are just screaming town in my mind, for whatever reason...

Day 2 jbernier posts :

My unvote of DTM was dumb, because after I was like "...crap he still looks scummy, why the hell did I unvote him?!?!"

Not sure what can be concluded from this. Just wanted to share. I am doing an ISo on JB, and i can't decided between a really misguided town or scum..

[The1fifi]

Perhaps it's WIFOM, but I'm not sure if jbernier is the best choice because the DTM hammer seems too attention grabbing, and I seem to get

lazy and lost

vanilla town vibes from him rather than scum vibes.

Exactly. Thats my problem ^=/

[The1fifi]

messed up quotes. Wacky said that.

[The1fifi]

That would make Nik the best lynch, for being more suspicious than jbernier and pushing for his wagon.

[The1fifi]

Hm. With this new information and Jasper's recent actions... I feel like the right thing to do is to

vote: jasper

.
Basically I feel like the current combination of claims and posts from Wacky, Fifi, Jasper, and Zach makes this the optimal move. I know this sounds like crap, but if I say anymore

I worry that I would be helping the scum more than the town.

Ok, jbernier, answer this. What you meant? This is decisive to understand if you are scum or not.

[The1fifi]

@JB why do you think Jasper is the best vote after Zach's claim? I know you're saying you don't want to elaborate because it might help scum, so if you really can't answer this then at least explain why you can't answer (or you know just give us something to go on, yea?)

Well, basically

I have a theory that hinges on Jasper's role

. And truthfully it's probably total crap, but realistically I don't have much else to go on.

What theory was it?

[The1fifi]

Wacky, when you have the time, can you describe "the incestuous pool of distancing"? I think i am missing something, or you are scum.

[The1fifi]

Nik/Wacky/Seven is a team i can see as likely. Wacky and nik were in both wagons, and that would support my idea that jbernier is lost and confused town. BUT.. Wacky also supports this. So, i wouldn't risk his lynch. Instead, i'd be happy lynching Nik.

@Camn : You were so eager sayin that we shouldn't throw our vote off so easily, and now you wanna lynch the less suspicious player, in lylo, so we can get info from it? I am sorry, but this strays from your playstyle so far

Fos

[The1fifi]

I'm not really sure why some people seem to have listed Wacky as so Town -- like I mentioned previously, I haven't liked his tendency to tunnel on certain players, and I think this tunneling could potentially be a good scum trait.

so, you say some (in fact most of us) think wacky is town, or at least weren't very suspicious of him. And you acuse him.

BUT then you say..

Scum hate it when town begins clearing town, so they try to plant little seeds of doubt on the townies who seem a bit too sure of each other.

?

[The1fifi]

Well, fine.

Unvote Vote nikanor

This is who i believe to be most likely scum.

[The1fifi]

If you are afraid of a quicklynch, you should unvote.

[The1fifi]

Unvote Vote Invog

[The1fifi]

*

Incog

AT least for now. Gona do an extensive read tonight.

[The1fifi]

This has been a really dense read. I think I'm just about caught up though.

General thoughts about the game

Wacky

- he (or is it she?) was the player

who has the most blood on his hands

with respect to the DTMaster lynch. The thing that's bothered me most about him is his tendency to tunnel on certain players -- I don't have a meta on him, so I don't know if he has a tendency to do this as town, but I can certainly see it as a viable scum tactic in that it would allow him to focus on certain players without commenting on others who could potentially be buddies to him. His recent PBPA also bugs me because it differs fairly drastically from my own. For example, l

isting The1fifi as Neutral just seems really bizarre

to me coming from a player of Wacky's experience -- do you really think a Newbie scum would premature claim like that when he or she would have no idea as to the existence of a potential investigative role? Under absolutely no pressure? And how exactly is jason obvtown?

Interesting, since his first analyzis he has been attacking wacky. Worth of note. Also, this is the second post where he tries to please me.

jbernier93

- I have absolutely no read on this guy, which is pretty pathetic. My general impression of his play is that he generally goes with the flow, which in my experience could come from

either scum or newbie town

. Interestingly, he was the hammer on DTM. I'll cover that end of Day VC analysis a bit later.

Since jbernier admited to be playing since 2006, i don't know how can you consider him newbie. probably you missed that post through your read, cause you weren't that focused on your scum partners' posts?

camn

- as far as I could see, camn is playing how camn always plays. I really liked her analysis surrounding Jasper vs. The1fifi even though I disagree with her Jasper-stance -- she approached it fairly level-headedly and was the first one to take a stance that didn't include one or the other absolutely HAS to be scum. I think a her-scum would have just fed in on the attacks going on at that time.

Probably the second towniest player in the game (behind The1fifi).

Blatant buddying. By the way, my night target was you. You were so friendly that i wanted to mak sure i could believe you. I am gona bet everything on your lych, therefore i hope this post i am doing here helps tomorrow when i am obviously dead.

Seven

- I really don't get why everyone backed away after he reached L-1 and produced a load of content somewhere back there. I was actually surprised by how drastically his play changed when he had that kind of pressure on him -- he went from producing largely one-liners to heavy content analysis. Also, like Wacky, he's another player whose reads differ pretty drastically from my own. I thought I could see a possible him-jason connection, but I'd need to read back to see if it's valid.

Don't know what to think about this on. Trying to imply a jason connection with seven. Maybe seven is scum, and since he was almost lynched, incog was setting here an excuse for a mislynch over jason, in case seven was actually lnched and fliped scum??

Zachrulez

- I've never played with Zach, but I modded him during his first Newbie game on here where he was town and modded him in the now completed

Mafia With The Quickness

where he was scum. I really wasn't impressed by his play in this particular game and

thought it reminded me more of his scum-play than town-play but with the JK claim and lack of a counterclaim, I really can't see myself lynching him at this point. I'll put him down as town for now.

Suspicious of a player we now know is town. Of course there was no need to push his lynch, since he would be the night kill target

Nikanor

- another player I modded in Mini 780 - Chosen. He feels really lurky to me here, but if I remember correctly t

hat's how he was in that game too, and he was town there

. All in all, I think he's

asking questions where appropriate

, and I've agreed with some of his line of thinking particularly in the early game. Therefore, I'd probably lean

town-ish on him.

So you have a lurking town meta on Nik, you liked his posts, you felt he was townish, but now you wanna lynch him at lylo?

Jasper

- I didn't really like much of his play

even outside of the one-shot vig claim, and as I mentioned before, I didn't like his reaction to The1fifi's Gunsmith claim either. His response to my question about Gunsmiths is about what I would expect if he was town, but I'm sure he'd respond that way if he's scum also.

Leaning scum on him.

Why weren't you on the wagon then?

The1fifi

-

as mentioned before, I'm getting good vibes from him and the claim solidifies that for me. Town.

So the investigative powerole who was not killed during the night, was the person you were trying to please the most. I think you don't have a roleblocker, instead i think zach targeted me.

jason

- outside of Jasper, jason's probably the player I take the most issue with (which is also why I'm surprised both Seven and Wacky labeled him as town, with Wacky going as far as to even call him OBVtown). A lot of his posts just give me the feeling that he's not really TRYING to figure out people's alignments -- just that he's trying to paint people in as scummy a light as possible. For example, I disagree completely with his post 33 -- obviously someone who's town shouldn't want to get lynched but it's usually

scum

who have more of a vested interest to survive, and I'm surprised that you seem to think otherwise there. Post 29 is more of the same -- he accuses The1fifi of making some sort of a slip by calling DTM scum but that was pretty clearly a mistake on his part. To label it as a "slip" seems like a really bad misrep.

Summary:

Town/Wouldn't support their lynch

- The1fifi
- camn
- Zachrulez

- Nikanor

Why are you voting him at lylo now??? So suspicious.

Scum/Would DEFINITELY support their lynch

- Jasper
- jason

To be determined/hoping to get a better read of

- Wacky
- Seven
- jbernier93

Also, end of Day 1 vote count looks like this (green is def-town, olive is townish):

Last vote count of day one

DTMaster

7: (Wacky, Jasper,

Echo

, jasonT1981,

McZombie

, Nikanor, jbernier93)

The1fifi 1: (

Zachrulez

)
Regfan 1: (

The1fifi

)
Jasper 1: (

DTMaster

)
McZombie 1: (

Regfan

)

Not Voting 1:

Seven

-A lynch has been reached
-Mod scene forthcoming...

I'd predict that at least one but most likely TWO scum were on the end of D1 wagon and probably one scum was off the wagon. That's just my experience with Mini games of this type. In any case, my reads seem to be agreeing with this.

I don't want to end the day just yet without getting more info from players so I won't be placing Jasper back at L-1, but I do want to have a vote out. Therefore,

vote: jason

.

Note that i always said to be suspecious of everyone assuming i am town. Incog was the first, and camn also believed this, following incog right of the bat. ALSO BE VERY SUSPICIOUS OF ANYONE CONSIDERIN A CAMN/INCOG TEAM AND TOTALLY IGNORING A INCOG/MYSELF TEAM, WHICH IS JUST AS LIKELY IN TERMS OF BUDDYING. (looks at seven)

[The1fifi]

Well, camn is busing her scum partner.

Unvote Vote Seven

[The1fifi]

Can you explain that?

[The1fifi]

Damn!!!! I was right about incog! why the hell did i have to vote seven!?!?!? *sigh*

Nice game scum, congrats

[The1fifi]

*Sigh*

You guys should have stopped after the first wagon hit 2 votes without a hammer.

Yes, i tought about it after the wagon dissolved.

[The1fifi]

~@Camn : Why the hell were you buddying so hard with scum?? -.-

[The1fifi]

*sigh* Zach, it was ok for you to claim. Shame they had a roleblocker, or i would have gotten the guilty result on incog =(

[The1fifi]

Shut up camn -.- I am so angry at you

[The1fifi]

-.- Yeah. Well, i was right about nik in my wagon analyzis and about incog about his buddying with me. pitty you didn't saw incog as scum

[The1fifi]

Well, it was a good game. Learned a lot from it.

[The1fifi]

=O i tought i had target incog

[The1fifi]

I know, i wasnt doubting you. I was doubting my memory

Anyway, i liked your setup. Maybe scum shouldn't have a roleblocker, but a doctor.

And your moding was really good. Good flavour.

I enjoyed the investigative flavour. Really good indeed. INstead of a cop, you had a gunsmith, and then you gave guns to two town players. To simulate cops sanity.

Really good indeed. If you mod another game, i am in

[The1fifi]

Damn you Nikanor!!!! =)