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[TheLonging]

/confirm

[TheLonging]

Vote: Fugitive[/b[ This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him.

Also Jack's post was so obvious. If you think he's actually a traitor...

[TheLonging]

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Vote: Fugitive

[TheLonging]

Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)

Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.

I rest my case Your Honor.

[TheLonging]

Let me word this better: Discussing Jack's post will not help us. Discussing Friend's vote/questioning/your vote/question/Pie's attempt at a vote? Fair game

[TheLonging]

I like these new quote boxes.

[TheLonging]

He's saying that DH's normal meta would be to see how obvious Jack would be doing, so he voted for Friend instead. He never once considered DH voting Jack for the same reasons.

IP obviously won't say yes, it'll just make him look stupid.

[TheLonging]

You don't need to know DH's normal meta.

[TheLonging]

Let me thrust my logical penis into your chattering mouth

Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)

Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.

I rest my case Your Honor.

Don't like this one bit - talking about how Jack got us out of RVS is good.

Wait, when was RVS a good thing? And anyways, you completely missed the point kthx. I'm not going to tell you my point until you make somewhat of an effort to understand.

He's saying that DH's normal meta would be to see how obvious Jack would be doing, so he voted for Friend instead. He never once considered DH voting Jack for the same reasons.

IP obviously won't say yes, it'll just make him look stupid.

You're putting words into people's mouths. I don't think he was saying that at all.

I may be putting words into Pie's mouth, but that was certainly what MvK was implying, or else I misread him

[TheLonging]

unvote, vote:Inflatable Pie

Stay on v/la kthx

I'm not giving out my town reads, but I would like to nominate DemonHybrid for scum godfather. Will you be willing to bet that? I would, at the most.

Vote: DemonHybrid

Backtracking, getting nervous too quickly, diverting attention, and just being too vague.

And hey! Jack's latest post has content! But he's not on v/la! Oh well!

FoS: Jack

Other scum reads: Jack
xxx
xxx

[TheLonging]

I don't know, just at best (maybe he's scum trying to play bad so that if he doesn't get lynched today, when he gets investigated (if there is such a role) he'll turn up innocent and people will be less suspicious of him?). I am strongly of the belief he is scum, but maybe godfather (Hey I've seen that type of play before) or regular goon?

[TheLonging]

>Meta>Meta
>Meta
>Meta
>Meta
>Meta

0/10, good try though

Also, divert attention my ass, I'm listing my scum reads! Dohoho. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons. I'm now BWing shit, I'm only agreeing with myself, and I have no clue what fleeting means. Those 2 "scumtells" you listed aren't scumtells in actuality. I'll bite. How am I diverting attention away from me voting you by listing other scum reads? I didn't know we weren't supposed to give out scum reads, and only stick one at a time.

[TheLonging]

Demon, you might as well admit now that you didn't try and make a gambit of your own by "falling" for Jack's gambit.

However, my feelings on you are sliightly improving.

Why did you pick Kov over your other scum picks?

I'd like to see if his inexperience shines through. I know TL and IP from past games...I'd much rather target the weak link.

He knows my meta, and says based off of that I am scum. Pretty obvious implications there.

DH: So anytime people list more than 1 scum read, I expect you to find that scummy, seeing as you just said that. Any less than that and it's an obvious double standard on your part.

[TheLonging]

If it was AtE I'd be much more passive

[TheLonging]

Friend: Not THAT post, the post I quoted.

[TheLonging]

is that an omgus fos on me jack? I love you too, just don't let your ego get in the way, kinda like when I pinpointed you and Soc as scum in that marathon game

[TheLonging]

oicwutudidthar

You just can't provide reasoning for your FoS... hell you haven't done that for any other vote/fos. Oh well.

[TheLonging]

Because the 2nd post basically implies "Oh look his meta is to not do these things, he's much more calm as town, he must be scum!"

[TheLonging]

"I know TL and IP from past games"

You honestly think that doesn't refer to meta at all?

[TheLonging]

esii (that's what I am calling you now) says I am mjaorly overreacting, he agrees with people, yet only uses a FoS. hmmmmmmmm. Do you find DH more scummy than I now?

[TheLonging]

Friend, it was implied though. I can't have been the only one to see the implications of that.

[TheLonging]

Make the connection. He's calling me out based on certain stuff that's hardly scumtells on their own, then says "oh I've played games before with TL + Pie", which implies some sort of meta backup reasoning (and he's also suspicions of Pie IIRC). Yes, it's not that good of a counter-argument, but the implication is THERE. It makes the best sense in context. He's also played with uh, Fugitive, MvK, and r2r, but you don't see him saying "I've played with them before", do you?

[TheLonging]

When was listing more than one scumread a scumtell?
When was BWing a scum tell? At this point, I've seen so many scum never BW, I'm ready to call not joining a lynch a scumtell.

[TheLonging]

I can see more than one reason why someone would be over-defensive. I refuse to be any less to anyone else. Easy targeting? OK, me thinking DH was scum and me putting an FoS on Jack is easy targeting. Whatever you say chief.

[TheLonging]

To Kov: What do you think about TheLonging? Is he scum, town? What about his reaction to my scumlist? Curiosity.

It's suspicious he seem's to know that there's a Godfather that is Scummy but other than that not much.

I never implied I knew there was a GF.

His reaction to your scumlist is similar to what I would have if I was scum. I mean if you had pegged a few scum he might be nervous and trying to encourage a quick lynch on Jack.

I never wanted a quick lynch on Jack. My main sole focus was always on DH, then after we lynch him, we could spend D2 arguing about how long we'd take to lynch Jack. He's improved enough that I don't WANT to lynch him.

I have no idea why your putting pressure on pie he doesn't seem scummy to me but maybe you all know his meta, some logic please i can't vote him without anything to go on?

Pie is scummy when he acts pro-town. That's his meta. He's also town when he acts pro-town.

Hey, hey DH? You know how you think I am scum? Well guess what! If you think I am scum, then you will think I am bussing my "buddy"!

Unvote

Vote: InflatablePie

Also DH is calling everyone with the slightest scum-vibe scum. Kov, IP, me, I think he mentioned one other player as well

r2r is noted for sheeping with town on me being scum, yet doesn't vote me, despite me being

>"scummiest read yet"

THOSE ARE HIS EXACT WORDS

L-2, Pie claim, someone lynch already! Too bad the wagon switched to Pie though, I was ready to claim.

[TheLonging]

I am going to rip out my innards. And shower you in them. God-fucking-damn. Tunnel vision to the fucking extreme. Two can play at that game.

[TheLonging]

OK, I'll be back tomorrow at 12:00 - 2:00 PM. I'll claim if I'm at L-2/L-1 then.

[TheLonging]

Well, he's L-2. We can wait for a claim or just go for it with the information we have.

EBWOP: Think of it this way:

If Pie flips town, that's one mislynch (which happens nearly all the time anyway on D1). If he flips scum, that's one nearly-guaranteed scum in Kov who weakly slithered his way out of the conversation, and a big suspicion in TL who cracked and voted IP out of pressure, and that's a LOT to gain on Day 1 with such a small risk.

You think we're scumbuddies anyways, why make up shit like that? I joined the BW because I thought it would be fun and any effort whatsoever to try and lynch you at this point is utterly useless. No one will see it. r2r is also useless, but we can lynch that scum another day. BTW if Pie flips scum, r2r goes tomorrow. If Pie flips town, DH goes tomorrow.

Also DH, I'm saying what I said in my last post because I went away in a game for a short V/LA, and I was at L-1. I do it as a precaution when I leave for longer times than expected (I actually thought I'd be back around 5:00 PM, but nope).

Oh, and BTW? I can't defend my change in playstyle. I doubt I've been over the top like this before, and I'm just going to post useless crap until I see my way with DH. I could actually try, but what's the point? I do have a spleen, liver, and intestine I need to pour on him after all.

[TheLonging]

But... but DH said I'm his scumbuddy

[TheLonging]

I always plan lynches, just that the next day may change these plans. I'm not a newbie you know

[TheLonging]

What if they are scum?

[TheLonging]

Oh, they're different? I always played thinking those two were the same.

[TheLonging]

Pie: DH isn't on that scumlist

[TheLonging]

I'm confused on the phrasing of that sentence, but if I'm reading it right, Pie doesn't have DH listed as a suspicion, so uh, yeah. That's his mistake.

[TheLonging]

What he did at the beginning of D1. He obviously is more pro-town now than he ever was before, but scum who turn pro-town are still scum, is he not? There's uh, pretty much whole cases back there.

[TheLonging]

Fugitive meta is mixed up, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T RELY ON META

Pie meta is always the same to the untrained eye (aka me)

[TheLonging]

For the record, I want TL lynched before Jack, for sure.

Can we get the best of this and not lynch Jack OR me?

Vote: Fugitive

This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him..

Maybe I'm missing the obvious sarcasm/joke in "this is not an RVS vote", but this is crap logic.

SHM3.

I don't know, just at best (maybe he's scum trying to play bad so that if he doesn't get lynched today, when he gets investigated (if there is such a role) he'll turn up innocent and people will be less suspicious of him?). I am strongly of the belief he is scum, but maybe godfather (Hey I've seen that type of play before) or regular goon?

I have already explained why this setup speculation is scummy.

This isn't setup speculation, it's speculation at DH's play. Fail moar

is that an omgus fos on me jack? I love you too, just don't let your ego get in the way, kinda like when I pinpointed you and Soc as scum in that marathon game

*Jack FoSes everyone*

oicwutudidthar

You just can't provide reasoning for your FoS... hell you haven't done that for any other vote/fos. Oh well.

Casting suspicion back on Jack because Jack FoSed him.

This wasn't casting suspicion

esii (that's what I am calling you now) says I am mjaorly overreacting, he agrees with people, yet only uses a FoS. hmmmmmmmm. Do you find DH more scummy than I now?

Unless I'm reading this the wrong way, he does this to esurio here as well.

Nope. I see how you would think of it that way, but I was asking esii if he did find DH more suspicious of me. If not, then I don't know why he only FoS'd me. See how that works out?

Pie is scummy when he acts pro-town. That's his meta. He's also town when he acts pro-town.

Unvote

Vote: InflatablePie

L-2, Pie claim, someone lynch already! Too bad the wagon switched to Pie though, I was ready to claim.

- This is fencesitting, too. Why even mention this? It's a useless statement.

We were LOL TALKING META I believe

- Already said this is a bad vote.

Because it's on you, amirite

- The last part confuses me, but TL coming in out of nowhere and trying to rush my lynch is scummy as all hell.

When you walk through the door it is clear to see
You're the one they find scummy it is plain to see
You're a, scumbag
Everybody wants to
lynch you
who would really blame you?
Sora's the one who made you

I joined the BW because I thought it would be fun *snip* BTW if Pie flips scum, r2r goes tomorrow. If Pie flips town, DH goes tomorrow.

This not only confirms TL is blatantly bandwagoning, but he also tried setting up lynches - not always scummy, but definitely not pro-town. Bravo.

I know, I need an encore

What he did at the beginning of D1. He obviously is more pro-town now than he ever was before, but scum who turn pro-town are still scum, is he not? There's uh, pretty much whole cases back there.

>whole cases
>beginning of D1

This is ignoring the fact that you yourself didn't look at said cases, and ISO'd me. Bravo.

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[TheLonging]

We Made You by Eminem. Listening to Recovery, so amazing. Maybe we could lynch DH while I'm listening to it

[TheLonging]

Because a DH bandwagon will never take off again. I might as well join the bandwagon. If you insist though.

Unvote

Vote: DemonHybrid

[TheLonging]

Also is there anything in my response to Pie you find scummy?

[TheLonging]

The SHM3 comment was for my vote at the start of the game. It was sort of RVS sort of not. Meta by itself is useless. I don't need to give a reason for my votes Demon. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SUSPICIOUS THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME FROM THE MOMENT I SPECULATED, I ONLY SWITCHED TO PIE BECAUSE A DH BANDWAGON WON'T TAKE OFF, AND I SWITCHED BACK TO YOU BECAUSE YOU INSISTED SO NICELY. IS THIS AN OVERREACTION? YOU BET YOUR ASS IT IS. DO I GIVE A SHIT? NOPE.

[TheLonging]

r2r: That's absolute bullshit. It's not always the case, so if you make that part of your case, I'll do everything in my power to make sure you get slapped.

[TheLonging]

I'm not worried. I don't even really care. I can welcome a BW on me, but what pisses me off is that if the trumpeta~ player on it continues to toot her own trumpet (none of you get this reference) I will e-kick that player in the balls

[TheLonging]

Oh, and DH is probably town so stop wasting time and energy on him.

Stop messing up my town read on you

[TheLonging]

Mod: Votals

I plead the fifth until the votals come up.

[TheLonging]

Because I wanted to see votals before starting my case, which is the fact that DH found me more scummy yet voted for Pie. That's what I got from him.

ANYWAYS

Because I want to

Vote: TheLonging

. I'm not going to repeat all of the reasons that other people have already mentioned

Trumpetah~~

, but I'll go over the things that tip the scales for me. First off there's the "scum for the wrong reasons" post I mentioned before

I'm getting voted for reasons that are, by large, nulltells.

. Just because the town takes a crappy road to reach a conclusion doesn't inherently make the conclusion wrong

See last point.

. Second, I think people have let TL off the hook for his "DH is the Godfather" remark. It's unnecessary speculation on roles AND an act of subtle powerrole direction

I am awesome like this. Right? I didn't intend to setup speculate btw. If you assume I did so on purpose, please refer to the dictionary and try to find the definition for "wishful thinking"

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Combined with the overdefensiveness and the rambling about meta when it's completely unwarranted

Meta is a stepping stone for a case, not the WHOLE case, also overdefensiveness/recklessness =/= scumtell btw

, and I have enough to feel comfortable voting for TL. The whole "Hey I must be bussing

MY SCUMBUDDY

amirite?" thing feels wrong, too; admittedly I am having difficulty articulating why

Here's a hint: I am sarcastic. A lot. This kind of ties into my whole point the last bold thing I used. Also it's to point out how fucking ridiculous the connection between me and IP is. He practically STARTED the wagon on me, if you want hypothetical situations: If he was scum and if I was scum, and he started a BW on me, and saw it taking off, wouldn't he just you know, unvote? Same pretty much applies when I am town (aka now) and he is scum. The only thing that makes sense here barring unusual play from Pie is that I am town and he is town or he is town and I am scum

.

[TheLonging]

Nevermind I pretty much wrote a consciousness reply to that quote. Those two points are separate

[TheLonging]

Until you provide a better case on me or my brain comes up with more responses or until ortiz posts in here for once, then yes

[TheLonging]

OK, I didn't catch that. cause I went right to your case. So um, that's also a bad thing. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons is a sentence that implies "YOUR REASONING IS CRAP", and maybe if someone provided BETTER reasoning... you know, like pretty much none of the reasoning I'm getting here (I can name like, 1 or 2).

[TheLonging]

oh hey someone knows what I'm actually talking about.

Since you just got here, I'll look at MvK's few posts to see what content they have compared to yours

[TheLonging]

TL, I know you have a bit of a temper/get a little carried away sometimes, but something about it this time seems... off.

That's closer to using meta than what DH did.

Not entirely. The remark on TL's temper is more from just generally talking to him in IRC, I believe.

@mVk: I dislike people who act like they have to get 1 joke vote in. It's anti-town.

Way to bring it up late, and screw up my precious capitalization in the process. Also, honestly, I've never seen it mentioned anywhere else as anti-town. I think I wound up consistently making day one joke votes because the first few games I ever player were full of them, so it feels normal.

Now then, I'm starting to grow a bit suspicious of DH. I find it absolutely bizarre that anyone would try to claim that they intentionally fell for a bandwagon. I know I've brought this up before, but it's really bothering me more that I thought it would.

That said though, I'm keeping my vote on TL for now. The massive role/setup speculation here and here is far beyond what anyone should be doing this early.

[DemonHybrid] also played with uh, Fugitive, MvK, and r2r, but you don't see him saying "I've played with them before", do you?

Let me address this now: DemonHybrid has never played a game with me. I have modded one game that he was in, however.

Now then, some general thoughts:
Pie bandwagon doesn't seem prudent at this juncture. The reasoning for it just seems thrown together.
"I wouldn't mind a policy lynch on X because of Y."
>OMG PUSHING POLICY LYNCH *VOTE*

I'm just not seeing the scumminess in it.

Jack's playstyle is frustratingly anti-town from what I'm seeing. I'm not going to go as far as to call it active lurking (as at least one of you did), it seems that he has a reason for the way he's posting, but I honestly don't know what it is. >_>

So yeah, overall:
Jack's play is frustrating, and looks anti-town, but I feel that it could be coming from a townie.
DH's claim to have intentionally fell for the bandwagon is silly.
TL's reactions and speculation suck.
Pie lynch doesn't feel warranted right now.
Fugi is being Fugi.
I don't really have anything to say about anyone else at the moment.

+1 town

I'll be damned if ortiz is scum

[TheLonging]

wow that was supposed to be the end of this post:

Vote: Friend

1) Player A claims mafia, setting a trap for someone to vote him.
2) Player B falls for it and votes Player A.

Anyone could see that's what Jack was doing. So technically, the one jumping on an easy target is, in fact, Friend: the person voting for Player B.

Let's think about this.

If anyone could see what Jack was doing, shouldn't DemonHybrid be considered scummy for voting Jack in the first place?

I don't know if DH is experience enough to recognize gambits and other such plays, so Jack would be

his

easy target.

+1 town

I figured DH would see how obvious Jack was being, so I didn't think of this. I see where you're coming from, but I think Friend is more opportunistic.

So, you're fine with DH voting Jack, but not fine with Friend voting for DH using the exact logic that you gave for voting Friend?

+2 town

I may be putting words into Pie's mouth, but that was certainly what MvK was implying, or else I misread him

Yes, I was directly implying that Pie was suspicious of one player but not another even though both did the same thing.

I don't think he was serious, but I don't think it was out-of-line for Friend to question him for it as if it were serious, either. The post in question was on page two, for frell's sake. Any question made to draw out a serious response is a good one that early even if it would come across as paranoid later in the game, imo.

I'm definitely of this opinion, as well.

Whether or not DH was serious in his vote on Jack, he could still be

either town or

scum. To be honest, claiming to intentionally fallen for the gambit just seems like a means to save face, more than anything else. Say what you will about scum jumping on easy targets, but if a townie thinks someone just scumslipped, they're an easy target

, and they're going to be voting for them. I don't see this as an entirely useful avenue of discussion at the moment, because it's far too easy to justify the actions we're seeing as coming from

either

side of the game.

+5 town

[TheLonging]

Vote:TheLonging

itt kov bandwagons without reasoning

Unvote

Vote: Kov

Never mind DH, Kov is the way to go.

[TheLonging]

OK, I didn't catch that. cause I went right to your case. So um, that's also a bad thing. You're calling me scum for all the wrong reasons is a sentence that implies "YOUR REASONING IS CRAP", and maybe if someone provided BETTER reasoning... you know, like pretty much none of the reasoning I'm getting here (I can name like, 1 or 2).

That's the thing, though; why would you WANT us to find better reasoning to find you scum? You should want us to find better reasoning to find OTHER people scum.

Because it actually shows people care about scumhunting, and it gives me a better case to refute to show why I'm not scum. For example, you're giving good reasons now, and I give good reasons to refute it, to show I am not scum. Following me or are you still not clear?

I've seen people say similar things in face-to-face Mafia, and they're invariably scum. That's not hyperbole; literally every person to say that has been scum. I've accidentally done it myself when I was about to get lynched for "talking more than usual" when I wasn't. Saying the case against you is "wrong"? Perfectly fine. Saying the town has "the wrong reasons"? Scummy.

Both of those actually imply the same thing first of all if you look for that when I say that, which is not what I mean. Also it is hyperbole, as I bet if you search every game where someone has done this, I bet you a few/a quarter will turn up to be town. Who knows? I'm also curious; besides your BW'ing + my "setup speculation" + me saying the quote above, is there ANY other reason that you can provide for me being scum? It's alright for you to parrot someone else in this case (preferably, provide original reasoning) but if you can't provide more reasoning, then your case on me, dear sir, is WRONG.

[TheLonging]

Vote:TheLonging

itt kov bandwagons without reasoning

Unvote

Vote: Kov

Never mind DH, Kov is the way to go.

OMGUS

Come back when you know what OMGUS means.

[TheLonging]

See I actually DID somewhat state reasons for the BWing. Kov didn't. Try harder please

[TheLonging]

Careful, I think that's L-2.

Yes it is

[TheLonging]

OK I never paid attention to Twomz so I'll take your word for it. I'll pay attention to him

Kov/DH/Twomz

Believe it?

[TheLonging]

I agree, Kov or DH should be

[TheLonging]

LOL I'M FOCUSING ON JACK'S GAMBIT THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T MENTIONED IT FOR LIKE A WEEK OR TWO RIGHT

[TheLonging]

You still haven't answered me: Where did I focus on Jack's gambit? You saying that was utter BS

[TheLonging]

Oh OK DH, I see. That was just to show how you were scum in the beginning of the day

[TheLonging]

Scum then could mean you're still scum now

[TheLonging]

It was also to show how ortiz pretty much HAS TO BE town (due to his posts + MvK's posts).

[TheLonging]

I was actually at L-2 but ok. If I knew I was at L-1 I could have been in here more.

[TheLonging]

See: This isn't a Large.

[TheLonging]

I approve of this lynch. But when Kov flips scum, we should lynch DH tomorrow, mmk?

[TheLonging]

Which is how he tried to cover up for his backtracking behavior early in the game with Jack + IP + Friend. Which, I may remind you, is what he's wanting to lynch Kov for.

[TheLonging]

No, I'm talking about earlier (note why Friend's name is there)

[TheLonging]

Sigh DH... I THINK you know what I'm talking about, you're just not making the connection. I'm not going to waste further time.

FoS: DemonHybrid, InflatablePie

Do we have a scumteam here? 2/3 I bet

[TheLonging]

Kov is still scum but nice logic ortiz.

see dh?

[TheLonging]

WAIT

DH WAGON IS FINALLY TAKING OFF?

FUCK YES BEST THING EVER <33333

UNVOTE

VOTE: DEMONHYBRID

REMEMBER THOUGH IN CASE SOMEONE USES THIS AGAINST ME I STILL FIND KOV SCUMMY, THEN PIE. PIE IS THE LEAST SCUMMY OF MY TOP 5 SCUM READS. TWOMZ I'M NOT FOLLOWING UP ON TOO MUCH BUT HE SEEMS TO PLAY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE AND AS FOR JACK? WELL, I"LL WAIT FOR JACK TO COME BACK BEFORE DECIDING ON A FINAL SOLID READ OF HIM

[TheLonging]

See, beating a dead horse isn't actually bad.

[TheLonging]

Pie; scumreads change over time. Hope you notice that. You're one of the most active out of the 5, but...

think of it this way. x/5

DH: 4.78/5 (posts a lot and has a lot of scummy stuff)
Kov: 4.40/5 (hardly posts, BW'd me, said really stupid stuff, only made up for it later (like, last page later)
Twomz: 4.35/5 (ortiz's case is good, and Twomz seems anti-town)
Jack: 4.30/5 (not much content to be found, I don't like most of what he does make, but people say it's how he usually plays, so whatever. He seemed to be playing mostly the same in a marathon game I was with him in, he turned up scum)
You: 4.15/5 (posts a lot, and has SOME towny stuff to balance out the scummy stuff)

[TheLonging]

Pie; scumreads change over time.

...over the course of 10 hours/26 posts? And I made only one post during this time?

To be honest, I was expecting you to argue that I am still scum and "bussing my buddy". Instead, you just went ahead and did a total 180 on your view of me.

I don't get it.

Actually you missed the entire point of that post

[TheLonging]

Meh this game is losing interest to me, with what us still being on D1. If tomorrow we're still making noise I'll do something.

[TheLonging]

Oh you.

[TheLonging]

itt pie doesn't read my posts (or not good enough)

There's only 1 scenario where I could be town. Come on, think about it. Don't stress yourself out too hard thinking about this.

[TheLonging]

Because people want to lynch me or DH.

[TheLonging]

There's only 1 scenario where I could be town. Come on, think about it. Don't stress yourself out too hard thinking about this.

This quote is pretty damn important imo

[TheLonging]

Unvote, Vote: TL

- yeah, not liking that wagon vote after all.

>Wagon vote
>Wanting to lynch DH most of the game
If you assume I'm town for a second, what's the right trope for this? Really

DH, if TL is so obviously scummy, why isn't your vote on him? You should know that lurking isn't a scumtell on its own. Your post implies that you find Kov most scummy for lurking over everything else. So why isn't TL higher on your list of suspicions?

Because he realizes I MIGHT be town for once! :O

.

[TheLonging]

TL seems more scummy because of his general attitude than his actions.

I think all of you people are daft. I might as well explain why I'm being so pissy to all of you and why I'm overreacting.

Hint for you people I've played with: josseppe SHM3

[TheLonging]

TL's been hinting at a PR the whole game, which is what I assume he's doing here.

HEY WHAT DO YOU KNOW I THINK SOMEONE GETS IT

DH: I am a tracker, I'm claiming D1, I have no intention of chilling out

[TheLonging]

I was at L-1/L-2 once or twice before. I'd wager 40% - 60% of this game thinks I am scum. I have every right to claim. Joss was at 2 or 3 votes and claimed.

See I can use meta in an argument as long as I have other reasons for backing it up.

[TheLonging]

Also in that same game I claimed a PR my first post. Do you think I'm fucking around here?

[TheLonging]

Why? Because I'm creating a WIFOM pool for scum to wade in. All I know is, I am certain I am tracker.

I want to be adamantly clear about this: I will have every right to speculate. Unless this game will turn into Follow The Tracker/Cop, there has to be a roleblocker (I've never been in a game without one). I want to also make this adamantly clear: I believe Kov and DH are scum (or one of them), but neither one is a roleblocker. I'm guessing Pie might be.

Unvote

Vote: InflatablePie

Say all you want. I don't care. It's My Way or the High Way here for me. If you want to join the wagon to lynch scum feel free.

[TheLonging]

Fucking christ, TL, why would you claim here?

Kov, meanwhile, remains scum.

You and others kind of all guess I softclaimed a PR, but some people think that might equate to a scum PR (because yeah, I'll TOTALLY breadcrumb a SCUM PR).

[TheLonging]

itt pie doesn't read my posts (or not good enough)

There's only 1 scenario where I could be town. Come on, think about it. Don't stress yourself out too hard thinking about this.

Pie; scumreads change over time. Hope you notice that. You're one of the most active out of the 5, but...

think of it this way. x/5

DH: 4.78/5 (posts a lot and has a lot of scummy stuff)
Kov: 4.40/5 (hardly posts, BW'd me, said really stupid stuff, only made up for it later (like, last page later)
Twomz: 4.35/5 (ortiz's case is good, and Twomz seems anti-town)
Jack: 4.30/5 (not much content to be found, I don't like most of what he does make, but people say it's how he usually plays, so whatever. He seemed to be playing mostly the same in a marathon game I was with him in, he turned up scum)
You: 4.15/5 (posts a lot, and has SOME towny stuff to balance out the scummy stuff)

This informed I was going to track DH, or you.

Meh this game is losing interest to me, with what us still being on D1. If tomorrow we're still making noise I'll do something.

And most of today was lolnoise.

[TheLonging]

It's how I roll Demon.

[TheLonging]

Maybe because I'm not scum. At least, not now according to IP

[TheLonging]

He thinks Pie is scummier than the rest?

[TheLonging]

Pie is scum.

Now you're just being a fucktard, town, but a fucktard

[TheLonging]

I'll buy TL's claim, though I agree with the sentiment that claiming then and there was kind of a dumb move. Ehh.

Wagon on DH is silly and incorrect and should cease to exist pronto, mmkay?

OK, but as long as you saw my reasoning behind claiming there.

Wagon on DH should continue for all I know.

And esii: Thoughts on Pie, Fugitive?

[TheLonging]

Siiiigh

[TheLonging]

I don't see it in the rules:

Mod, does majority lynch, if we can reach a majority, or will it just be a no lynch

[TheLonging]

Twomz: Who are your partners?

[TheLonging]

Why? Because I'm creating a WIFOM pool for scum to wade in. All I know is, I am certain I am tracker.

I want to be adamantly clear about this: I will have every right to speculate. Unless this game will turn into Follow The Tracker/Cop, there has to be a roleblocker (I've never been in a game without one). I want to also make this adamantly clear: I believe Kov and DH are scum (or one of them), but neither one is a roleblocker. I'm guessing Pie might be.

Unvote

Vote: InflatablePie

Say all you want. I don't care. It's My Way or the High Way here for me. If you want to join the wagon to lynch scum feel free.

[TheLonging]

Has, you DO realize why I've claimed right?

[TheLonging]

It's funny that I was being over defensive because I have a PR that can help town.

[TheLonging]

Look at this the bright way; if I'm VT who claimed Tracker and scum roleblock me, the real tracker gets reports. If I'm real tracker and scum roleblock me, if there's a cop, he'll probably get an investigation worthwhile. WIFOM is fun when you want to fuck with scum.

[TheLonging]

Fugitive can only think that Pie or Twomz is scum. I don't know, I guess soras decided to implement a post restriction to him

[TheLonging]

Scum vs. town.

[TheLonging]

XD Pie

[TheLonging]

DH/Pie/Haschel

I win?

[TheLonging]

No thanks, I prefer to stick to the person who might likely be the roleblocker, I'll hammer DH if he gets to L-1 though

[TheLonging]

if there's not a scum roleblocker in this game I will be the happiest person alive because that helps me

[TheLonging]

I'm a tracker though so yeah (or at least I claim to be)

[TheLonging]

I chose a scumteam and picked most likely

[TheLonging]

Unless I am given a DH hammer, I will not move this vote

[TheLonging]

OK, how's this.
3 of you vote for DH. I hammer. End of day. mmkay? Until then I'm sticking by my vote I am sure is right

[TheLonging]

Does that mean if I vote him tomorrow? At absolute worse, I guess. Both scum anyways, but I don't think DH could be a roleblocker

[TheLonging]

*shakes head*

I'm not claiming or saying anything about my role, but obviously I claim town. You guys can try to make sense of my role if you want, but it's in town's best interest if I just don't say anything about it (trust me, if I do, it could mean the end of town).

Don't like it? Deal. Go ahead with your lynch.

Final scumlist:

Kov, Twomz, IP.

e_e

After a quick wiki readthrough, I found out that my other game's sadly mistaken about my role.

My claim is Town Neighbor. I had originally thought that soras just made up a name for masons, but this other game that I'm in came to the conclusion that neighbors just tell others that they're town, and that's their power.

I need to read into things a lot more.

e_e

[TheLonging]

Now, DH's claim yields some interesting scenarios. I'm thinking out loud here, so forgive me if I forget anything.

Possibility One: DH is lying and is therefore scum. I don't see this scenario being very likely, because sooner or later his scumbuddies would have to pretend to be his neighbors, and that's uneccessary risk this early in the game. Therefore, we go to...

This is actually pretty likely

Possibility Two: DH is indeed a Neighbor. Neighbors aren't guaranteed alignment, so now we have three subscenarios:
2a) All of the neighbors are town.

This would make for the most unbalanced game of mafia ever

2b) DH is town, and at least one of his neighbors is scum.

Less likely[/b[
2c) DH is a scum neighbor.

If a neighbor at all

If scenario 2a is correct, then I think that makes TheLonging's claim less likely; that would give four townspeople powerroles while leaving nobody but the Mafia for TL to track.

Like I said, if all the neighbors were town, this would be unbalanced, for me or them otherwise

If scenario 2b is correct, then DH can narrow down at least one scum to a small group of people.

I like this, but I think 2c is better

Scenario 2c is possible, but I still see Kov and Twomz as better lynches today.

e_e

I'm partial to 2a myself, but that's partially because I don't believe his claim and 2a lets me keep TL as a major suspect. I think I need to mull it over for a little bit and reread some people in isolation.

So what you think is, 2a is the best scenario because it makes me scum.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

Scenario 2a sounds most likely given everything we know. I'm definitely with Haschel on still not

really

trusting TL.

Meh. I am going to change my vote to

unvote; Vote: Twomz

because I still don't think DH is scum, whereas I'm not so sure about Twomz.

2A IS THE BEST SCENARIO BECAUSE IT MAKES MR SCUM GAUISE

GAUISE???

And ortiz is the other.

Ortiz is scum.

Actually with essi and ortiz being neighbors, ortiz is likely to be town. essi is the scum one

Then kill me and find out how wrong you are. I'd gladly die to prove ortiz's scumminess.

e_e (note; this e_e I CAN explain)

[TheLonging]

You.... sigh.

[TheLonging]

is DH at L-1?

[TheLonging]

Fuck this

unvote

Vote: DemonHybrid

Since you all refuse to partake in a Pie lynch

[TheLonging]

while being half of the game amirite

[TheLonging]

and I do, I consider myself to do good under pressure (I'm just erratic)

[TheLonging]

Now, DH's claim yields some interesting scenarios. I'm thinking out loud here, so forgive me if I forget anything.

Possibility One: DH is lying and is therefore scum. I don't see this scenario being very likely, because sooner or later his scumbuddies would have to pretend to be his neighbors, and that's uneccessary risk this early in the game. Therefore, we go to...

This is actually pretty likely

Possibility Two: DH is indeed a Neighbor. Neighbors aren't guaranteed alignment, so now we have three subscenarios:
2a) All of the neighbors are town.

This would make for the most unbalanced game of mafia ever

2b) DH is town, and at least one of his neighbors is scum.

Less likely[/b[
2c) DH is a scum neighbor.

If a neighbor at all

If scenario 2a is correct, then I think that makes TheLonging's claim less likely; that would give four townspeople powerroles while leaving nobody but the Mafia for TL to track.

Like I said, if all the neighbors were town, this would be unbalanced, for me or them otherwise

If scenario 2b is correct, then DH can narrow down at least one scum to a small group of people.

I like this, but I think 2c is better

Scenario 2c is possible, but I still see Kov and Twomz as better lynches today.

e_e

I'm partial to 2a myself, but that's partially because I don't believe his claim and 2a lets me keep TL as a major suspect. I think I need to mull it over for a little bit and reread some people in isolation.

So what you think is, 2a is the best scenario because it makes me scum.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

Scenario 2a sounds most likely given everything we know. I'm definitely with Haschel on still not

really

trusting TL.

Meh. I am going to change my vote to

unvote; Vote: Twomz

because I still don't think DH is scum, whereas I'm not so sure about Twomz.

2A IS THE BEST SCENARIO BECAUSE IT MAKES MR SCUM GAUISE

GAUISE???

And ortiz is the other.

Ortiz is scum.

Actually with essi and ortiz being neighbors, ortiz is likely to be town. essi is the scum one

Then kill me and find out how wrong you are. I'd gladly die to prove ortiz's scumminess.

e_e (note; this e_e I CAN explain)

[TheLonging]

Because I had a reply to DH's ridiculous theory that ortiz is scum/that scenario 2a is likely, but forgot it, so requoted my whole post BECAUSE IT'S RELEVEANT

[TheLonging]

*"2A IS THE BEST SCENARIO BECAUSE IT MAKES ME SCUM GAUISE

GAUISE???"

[TheLonging]

no because the WHOLE post is relevant

[TheLonging]

Son I am e_e

[TheLonging]

but... but... DH is scum.

[TheLonging]

If he flips town I will be in shock and dismay.

[TheLonging]

e_e

[TheLonging]

itt 4 people claim

e_e

it's a good thing I've never seen that anime DH. Also you think I am joking around with this?

[TheLonging]

Possibility Two: DH is indeed a Neighbor. Neighbors aren't guaranteed alignment, so now we have three subscenarios:
2a) All of the neighbors are town.

This would make for the most unbalanced game of mafia ever

2b) DH is town, and at least one of his neighbors is scum.

Less likely

2c) DH is a scum neighbor.

If a neighbor at all

If scenario 2a is correct, then I think that makes TheLonging's claim less likely; that would give four townspeople powerroles while leaving nobody but the Mafia for TL to track.

Like I said, if all the neighbors were town, this would be unbalanced, for me or them otherwise

If scenario 2b is correct, then DH can narrow down at least one scum to a small group of people.

I like this, but I think 2c is better

Scenario 2c is possible, but I still see Kov and Twomz as better lynches today.

e_e

I'm partial to 2a myself, but that's partially because I don't believe his claim and 2a lets me keep TL as a major suspect. I think I need to mull it over for a little bit and reread some people in isolation.

So what you think is, 2a is the best scenario because it makes me scum.

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

Scenario 2a sounds most likely given everything we know. I'm definitely with Haschel on still not

really

trusting TL.

Meh. I am going to change my vote to

unvote; Vote: Twomz

because I still don't think DH is scum, whereas I'm not so sure about Twomz.

2A IS THE BEST SCENARIO BECAUSE IT MAKES MR SCUM GAUISE

GAUISE???

And ortiz is the other.

Ortiz is scum.

Actually with essi and ortiz being neighbors, ortiz is likely to be town. essi is the scum one

DH, essi, HC: respond to this

[TheLonging]

holy

mother

fucking

shit

unvote

e_e

[TheLonging]

DH: Yes, but there's way too much useless crap noise posted, so PLEASE quote it, link it, or answer me before I vote you.

[TheLonging]

Vote: DemonHybrid

[TheLonging]

Pie is scum along with DH, now can we finish this?

[TheLonging]

Because DH didn't answer me, you suck

[TheLonging]

I still like this vote

[TheLonging]

I can't comment on esurio and HC wanting to believe 2a just because they would have a case on you. Sorry.

I find it iffy, but HC's doing a very active amount of scumhunting now that the claim is out and esurio's just another townie neighbor. I really like her outing herself.

so you agree with them

I don't know how to reply to your last point. In a nutshell...again.

Do YOU think you would believe 2a is likely on the sole reasoning I am town?

Ortiz voting for me is scummy because his claim that he wants to protect town PRs assumes that all 3 neighbors are town. Conflicting priorities.

I see that but not so much. Also me giving reasons for essi being scum neighbor is like them wanting to believe 2a would make me scum

[TheLonging]

Yeah you are biased alright

[TheLonging]

protip it's 1 hour past it

[TheLonging]

no PM sign makes me a sad person

[TheLonging]

MvK was town, ortiz is town.

DH is scum (although this is very slowly eradicating)
Pie is scum
One of essi/Twomz is scum.

unvote[/b[

Vote: Pie

If this doesn't take off I will hate you all

[TheLonging]

Its best to lynch one of the neighbors today isn't it? When DH flips scum it should clear me/esurio. Only reason someone shouldn't support the lynch of one of us 3 is if they think we're all town, and I would assume you don't considering 2/3 are on your scum list. >_>

you're forgetting the part where DH can't be roleblocker (he just doesn't seem like the type who could). I'm betting Pie is more likely to be out of essi/Twomz and DH.

DH: That's why they call it AN ASSUMPTION

[TheLonging]

WIFOM.

Really I'm leaning more TO Twomz being scum than not.

[TheLonging]

oh actually I have a better idea about what I should do with my night action

[TheLonging]

is it necessarily a bad thing for this game to be 39 pages?

[TheLonging]

unvote

vote: DH

[TheLonging]

SH.

[TheLonging]

if ortiz is scum I'm going to be pissed at him

[TheLonging]

I was blocked

vote: pie

because guess what? Fugitive tunneled Pie all D1. Guess what Fugitive flipped? However, ortiz would be good at spotting PR tells as mafia, so it has me a bit worried. I'm going to put that suspicion to the side though

ortiz: did you think Fugitive was a PR yesterday like you thought I was a PR yesterday?

[TheLonging]

unvote

FoS: ortiz, Pie

Thanks ortiz, I got the answer I wanted

[TheLonging]

AtE is a nothingtell.

[TheLonging]

Mod: Title of the thread is still night 1

I want to say my vote on esurio is More than a feeling, but it's not based on anything. I could see either him or ortiz as the scum of the neighbor group, but I figured ortiz would be the more likely one to get votes, so I voted erusio.

Veggietales <333

[TheLonging]

Let's get some of those lurkers in here before I vote anyone mmk?

[TheLonging]

I'm waiting on Kov + more Twomz

[TheLonging]

fuck this

Vote: Kov

my suspicion on Pie + ortiz is still unfaded

[TheLonging]

Kov needs to post here and tak, or his replacee can explain his predecessor's actions.

[TheLonging]

and before that, ortiz didn't like Twomz at all

hmm

[TheLonging]

Pie
ortiz/essi
Kov
Twomz

one of those folks

[TheLonging]

Whoever suspected Fugitive needs to be dragged to a noose btw

[TheLonging]

hey if me being lynched is what it takes for you to believe me then go ahead

[TheLonging]

unvote
vote: ready2rock

waiting on Kov's replacement to talk btw

[TheLonging]

DH, essi, and ortiz are claimed neighbors. DH flipped town. I claimed tracker (and before that softclaimed it). Suspicion is waffling between me, ready2rock, Kov (who you're replacing), Pie, and ortiz.

[TheLonging]

what about MvK/ortiz?

[TheLonging]

r2r: I can't tell if either of the neighbors are either both town or 1 scum 1 town or both scum. It's hard. Meanwhile with DH flipping town I'm not THAT sure on Twomz, although Pie is still a suspicion because of Fugitive dying. Seb is playing good. You're left.

[TheLonging]

Well here's my persuasion:

r2r, Pie, ortiz/essi/Twomz

Take your pick from the last 3.

[TheLonging]

Here are the BW's I would prefer IN ORDER:

InflatablePie
Twomz
ready2rock

If I HAD to choose with one of the neighbors... oh wait I don't. lol

[TheLonging]

Yes yes as much as I want to lynch Twomz I'd rather lynch people who are likely to RB me, despite the fact that I may have lied about my claim and created a WIFOM pool.

[TheLonging]

hey Hac: I fakeclaimed cop in SHM3 which I linked before, and guess what? I'm WIFOMing. I'm letting the other PR's not get RB'd, and if I'm a real PR, at least the others will be saved. If I'm VT, then I'm letting the PR's go on smoothly.

Hey Hac, guess what? There are PR's in this game. Do you think there is not a roleblocker?

[TheLonging]

I flipped town there btw, and I flipped town in all other games where I gambited. Wanna meta me?

[TheLonging]

Has: That last part is nothing. Because I actually don't understand what you were saying. Can you rephrase that?

Also I WAS ROLEBLOCKED. sorasgoof told me I was roleblocked. I know his MOD META, he told me I was roleblocked. Also you don't know how I roll. And what you said is what I'm trying to achieve with the WIFOM. There's a few iffy spots I was working on. I am a tracker. If you want to believe me, fine. The mafia did.

Also I'm not 100% certain there is a roleblock, I'm only 95% sure (mod meta again) and like I said I'm not 100% sure. i'm just acting like I am a 100% sure.

[TheLonging]

BTW when we lynch the scumteam, remind me to nominate this town for a scummy.

[TheLonging]

Mod: V/LA starting tomorrow for an indefinite amount of time. I'll post when I come back. If I'm not back by Sunday though feel free to replace me. I don't want to be a hindrance.

[TheLonging]

I'll still be here until 10:00 - 10:30 my time (I'm EST), so unless you guys can lynch Pie or r2r, I'll join Twomz.

[TheLonging]

unvote

vote: twomz

[TheLonging]

wait that was hammer?

didn't intend that ;_; just wanted him to claim

[TheLonging]

How so?

Doc, Nurse, three neighbors who all seem town...

A tracker would mean that there are likely only 3 vanilla townies, which seems incredibly low. Also, a doc, a nurse, and an investigative role is overpowered.

sorasgoof put a poisoner in a newbie game.

Please don't rule out anything he could do. Also why assume the three neighbors are all town? If anything I'm thinking ortiz MIGHT be scum neighbor.

Also guess what happened? I was blocked! And yes sorasgoof tells people if they were blocked. It's his mod meta. Since I know his mod meta (aka like me putting a miller in almost every game I make), then why would you assume he WOULDN'T overpower town? In the last game I played with him as mod, he had tracker, doctor, and watcher I believe, and for mafia, a poisoner, a godfather, and a roleblocker. Like I said, do not assume that I am scum because town SEEMS (keyword there) overpowered. If anything, it's what you expect from sorasgoof.

also nice job NOT putting your money where your mouth is, let me help you

Vote: Haschel Cedricson

[TheLonging]

If Twomz is telling the truth, then TL is certainly lying.

I should have quoted this post with the last post, but read it. Haschel: Why do you want me lynched so badly? Is it because I'm playing a way you don't like and feel uncomfortable with? Do you want to go back to your safe zone as playing, where all your little towntells are by the books?

Sorry bud, I know how you feel, I was like that once. I'm not rolling that way though.

[TheLonging]

Because when I followed that play, I was newbtown or scum. You're not a newb.

It's not a rhetorical question. Also Hasc, let's assume all pro-town players are in fact town. That makes for GREAT mafia play doesn't it? Scum can only act scummy and town can only act town.

I mean it's not like Twomz or DemonHybrid have disproved this theory nope.

I'm starting to think you're scum or thickheaded, and the former is MUCH more likely.

[TheLonging]

ok then, how about this. We clearly don't care about lynching scum. So, if Hasc isn't RB, lynch me. It's not like I'm not TRYING to play to my wincon by making an attempt at hunting scum, nope.

Hasc/Pie/r2r

??

Hasc: That doesn't help your case being absolute crap

[TheLonging]

Also when you assume 3 scum it's lylo today, thought there were 1 or 2 more alive.

[TheLonging]

Hasc: I'm not saying that sorasgoof is making the game imbalanced. I'm saying that it's perfectly normal for sorasgoof to make sides too big. Which is the case here. Your case is mainly setup based

[TheLonging]

Sebbguer: sarcasm

ortiz: poisoner in a newbie game, and godfather with no cop, 2 confirmed townies, doctor and tracker for follow the tracker provided RB was lynched... and you say it's balanced?

Hasch:

e_e

[TheLonging]

e_e = sigh and my disappointment with posts, which I've used frequently

[TheLonging]

You were the most likely to see through my plan if I had did it for WIFOM so you'd OBVIOUSLY roleblock me so that I could be lynched.

Nice try though Pie.

[TheLonging]

Sailor Moon hen-

I mean

what

[TheLonging]

SO HASC

AND TWOMZ

AND DH

AND EVEYRONE ELSE

ABOUT ME BEING SCUM

[TheLonging]

Half the wagon was scum, so it's only somewhat the town's fault. TL, you shouldn't have hammered me before I had a chance to claim >.>

I thought voting you would put you in a L-1 situation, not a hammer.