Mini 1057: Unsubsidized Mafia (Game Over!)
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Greetings,
Oddly enough, thanks to the newbie queue I am well aware that DH's vote is true RVS sillyness and doesn't help the town at all.
Nexus, however, appears to have solid reasons for his vote - though I think it is anti-town not to reveal them at this point.
Vote: singersinger
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Lordy lawks, why would you misrepresent the truth then!
In any case, the wagon with the most votes is probably right, and I'm on it - so I win.-
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@Nexus - you misrepresented your reasons for voting singersinger by implying that you *had* reasons. I understand this was a joke and actually was just making a joke back at you when you revealed that you had no reasons. That you actually took my joke as an attack of some sort and are attempting to rally a defense makes it look like you have something to hide.
Unvote: singersinger
Vote: Nexus
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You are a data dog, yes. Brilliant, this wagon is super solid and secure.-
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Oh, man, you're right! I'm sorry.Nexus wrote:Cool that you quickly jump wagons, though.
Why was it that I should have stayed on the singersinger wagon? Is he obvious scum and I'm just missing it?
@Devon - I am universally loved. Also, a serious vote for revenge? That's funny.
Devon is pretty likely town.
No read on DH yet.
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redtail896 wrote:Wait, what? [Thor] can't possibly be serious with that Nexus line. [Nexus] clearly had no actual reasons for a vote.redtail896 wrote:[Thor] was switching from an extremely not serious wagon to a more serious one. Not too suspicious in and of itself.
So wait, do you understand me and are defending me and attacking Nexus or do you not understand me and are looking for clarification of my methods?-
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...okay.redtail896 wrote:Both. I'm looking for clarification on each of the points that I pointed out.
To answer your "question" to me in the first half of your post please read the second half of your post.
redtail is making white noise with questionable direction. Could be scum just testing waters to see where suspicion might stick. I'd be willing to consider his lynch as second most worthwhile after Nexus.
Only an avatar vote and no commentary on the play thus far, meh. Why do you find a lack of an avatar more suspicious then what has been pointed out on Nexus?Andrigan wrote:
Devon most likely town? He doesn't have an avatar, which clearly makes him suspicious.Thor665 wrote:Devon is pretty likely town.
No read on DH yet.
Vote: Devon
Also, Thor665, how can you have such a quick read on Devon, while claiming to have no read on DH?
Go read Devon again. He openly admits that his vote is for "revenge" reasons when he votes DH. This is while an active bandwagoning is going on. Newbie scum would probably have commented on the bandwagon - either hopping on it, trying to derail it for town points, or trying to start up an actual counter to protect a buddy. Instead Devon is focused on making a joke with his friend, and making a joke using language that has negative connotations. Methinks the newb would not have acted this way if having the dastardly role of scum. Therefore; likely to be town. I find this reasoning stronger then the lack of an avatar.
Why should I have a read on DH? Do you see something I missed?-
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@Far_Cry - why are you posting so much in order to say that you're not saying anything?
Seriously - thus far you've commented that redtail is taking things a touch too seriously (???)
You also commented how we shouldn't get out of the RVS just yet (because, yknow, RVS is *so* pure and valuable if people aren't expressing opinions and votes).
Finally you've just kept saying how we need more people to weigh in all while not weighing in on anyone or putting out a single vote (despite believing RVS is worthwhile)
Unvote: Nexus
Vote: Far_Cry
Dissonance much?
@jimfinn - It is incredibly funny and amusing that you have continued your capital letter meta. I had a great and joyous belly laugh. We can now move on? Excellent.
What is your read on my town tell on Devon? Do you agree, disagree, and why is this?-
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A lot can be accomplished in 4 posts, or nothing can be accomplished in them. I will say your 4 posts of nothing have indeed accomplished something - a vote, from me, with love.Far_Cry wrote:WTF are you talking about?! Does 4 posts sound like "a lot" to you?
But, oh man, how can those people offer conversation if you won't talk more with general conversation? Probably they'll post next telling you that you need to talk more so they can then weigh in on stuff once you talk.Far_Cry wrote:And I'm asking people to talk more. More general conversation.
Also, how can I weigh in on anybody at the moment? What is there to get a read on? That's why I ask for more conversation.
Again. Dissonance.
It is an exciting period of the game where people both claim it's important and shouldn't/can't be skipped because of valuable scumtells that happen in it...Far_Cry wrote:Finally, please clearly explain to me your thoughts on RVS. What does it mean to you?
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TL:DR
1. I point out the dissonance I see from Far_Cry.
2. I explain why I consider dissonance a votable scumtell and ask Andrigan to explain his issue with the Far_Cry pressure.
3. I crack a (brilliant) joke at Jack's expense. He'll have to appreciate it on a delay.
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To sum it up shortly - you are attempting to help the pro town act of 'having more people talk' so that there will be opinions to be assessed.Far_Cry wrote:Please explain why you find this "dissonance."
To accomplish this you are specifically not talking or saying anything of note.
So, either you believe it is pro town to talk more and are choosing not to do what you believe is pro town.
Or you do not believe it is pro town and are simply saying these things because you think other people consider them pro town.
Saying one thing while doing another = dissonance.
Could you be any more gentle handed with this question?Andrigan wrote:But getting back to the point, I guess my question for Thor is: What makes Far_cry's hypocrisy a scum-tell, rather than simply bad play-style? I ask this from you since you voted for him, rather than simply calling him in out on it. Nhammen agreed with your claims, but did not place a vote, so my question is not directed at him (though he is free to weigh in on it).
His hypocrisy is a scum tell because hypocrisy suggests the possibility of lies and lies shouldn't be coming from town in the RVS.
My vote is on him because it's the biggest scumtell I've seen thus far and if I had to choose right now who would be lynched I'd choose him.
Why are you concerned with the "hostility" towards Far_Cry? I don't recall you being worried when I was voting Nexus - did you consider that a less "hostile" vote? Why/why not?
I'm glad it wasn't accidentally.Jack wrote:I will post on page 5, have not read yet (deliberately).-
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I am town because when the mod randomly determined roles I came up as town.Far_Cry wrote:Thor665- Tell me: why are you town? Why aren't you scum? Who suspicious are you of Andrigan's comments, or are you not at all?
I'm not scum because I'm town.
I'm actually not sure exactly what you're asking about Andrigan's comments. Is it *how* suspicious am I of them?
I dunno, I never really classify my suspicions that well. I'll call it a suspicion level pineapple, which is more then tangelo and less then kumquat
I do find his differing reactions to your and Nexus' wagons odd, which is why I'm asking him questions about them, depending on his answers I'll adjust my feelings, I have no solid answer yet - why are you wondering about how much I do or don't suspect Andrigan?-
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Far_Cry wrote:I fully understand what hyporcrisy is, and it's reasonable to accuse me of it.
So was my accusation reasonable or was it not reasonable?Far_Cry wrote:This is bullSmurf. Hyprocrisy suggests lies, as you have stated, and is true. I, however, have not said any lies as of yet, so don't tell me that you can use that against me.
When you mix anger with appeasement they sort of cancel each other out.
Any vote not made with that belief behind it is a vote that isn't worth the bytes it is generated upon.Far_Cry wrote: But it shouldn't warrant such a level of suspicion as to have me lynched on the spot (as Thor has stated, saying that if he could, he would lynch me now.)
Also, I said 'if I had to', not 'if I could'. Bit of a difference is to be found therein.
I'm starting to be more of a 'if I could' mentality on this point though.
I'm also fascinated by how many people are now excited about the Nexus wagon because now he's being quiet. Wh-what? Wasn't I running him up on "over-defensiveness" or something? This is silly. The next person who mentions how it's suspicious that Nexus is being quiet should be obligated to actually also explain the case/questions that Nexus is avoiding by being quiet.-
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Far_Cry disagrees with you - sometimes.DemonHybrid wrote:I don't think Far Cry is a hypocrite at all.
Neutral on your redtail read - it requires both him and I to accept your opinion of what is or is not hypocrisy in order for it to serve as a relevant scumtell.
Do you actually believe Nexus is dodging something? If he's been caught so dead to rights that he's dodging something why wouldn't you stay on the obv. scum - why is redtail so much more clearly scum?
If you don't believe he's dodging why keep bringing it up? I feel like I'm missing something - what is it?-
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My wagon before you was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay^3 more clutchy at straws then your wagon.Nexus wrote:I do in fact find it a little suspicious that he was quite happy to jump wagons-in RVS, if you want a wagon to get going, stay on the one you choose unless you have an actual solid reason to change. I find the reasons for my wagon a little clutchy at straws
I had a solid reason to change.
Vote hopping is not a scumtell unless it is done in a way that will advance scum's agenda.
Otherwise it is null, some players hop like jackrabbit's on crystal meth and others move more like a tortoise on Vicodin.
Have you addressed yet why you find my shift so 'hoppy' and DH's shift not worth mention? Someone asked this earlier and I thought it was a good question.
"Hey Ma, found a way to park my vote safely and lurk for at least another full page - yay me!"Nexus wrote:I realise it's been briefly mentioned, but why is Jack waiting until page 5, and why haven't more people been bothered by this? In what way is it beneficial to the town that he waits until page five to read and input? I'm finding that quite suspicious, and so I am going to unvote and Jack until he comes back and explains what's going on.
In more seriousness, Jack is probably waiting because he wishes to get a solid few pages to read through before making commentary.
The only way to decide if this is scummy is to wait and see what he says and how he acts when he comes out the other side of page 5.
Until then it's null and is basically a policy vote based on lurking, which is not the most strategic vote right at the moment.
If you're still learning the game then, scum or town, pay attention to Jack's playstyle. I found it really interesting in my first game with him.-
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Apologies, the above was going to be attached to this one to make one bigger single post. Instead I'll just be a bit spammy. The 'Hey Ma' joke would have been funnier if taken in the proper order, I think.
DemonHybrid wrote:Pressure is wonderful. I'm here to scumhunt, you know, not tunnel one person.
"Hey, Ma, I found scum! Oh, don't worry Ma, I won't vote them, that would be rude. I'll go find MORE scum based off connections to the obvious scum I've already caught who I'm not voting and who we haven't gotten a confirmation flip out of! I know Ma, BEST PLAN EVAH!"
I need less scummy players, please.
What makes you think his current playstyle is more earnest town and less dodgy scum?singersigner wrote:I don't believe this is scummy behavior for Nexus. He's apt to learning. He doesn't go about this the right way, but he takes it to heart and genuinely wants to learn how to be a better player.-
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If it's not what you meant why don't you try rephrasing what you said to help me understand?-
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Then how about how do you disagree with my take on your actions? You seem to have announced obv. scummorz is obv. and yet you decided not to try to carry the case through, what's up with that?-
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::shrug:: pick one for yourself and run with it. I don't find it inherently suspicious since poor reading comprehension is (unfortunately) not a scumtell. The suspicious part is the possible disconnect in his head regarding DH and me.nhammen wrote:I'm wondering if he missed my question or what. Very curious. I would almost say suspicious.-
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Has redtail committed a 100% scummy action?DemonHybrid wrote:You're just repeating your questions at this point. I feel Nexus is scummy and I feel redtail is scummy. I only have one vote. Who do I want to pressure more with it? That's all there is to it.-
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@singersinger - I reasonably agree with your opinion of Nexus as regards his in game responses. Without scum meta I can't leap all over it like a teenager in a porn factory, but I can see the angle.
Why no vote yet?-
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You're being silly.
Vote for Far_Cry.-
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While you're waiting for Page 7 you could always throw out a vote - might be exciting and amusing for the rest of us and could help generate data for you - win/win in my book.
The reason conversation is currently circling around such exciting obviously valuable topics as whether or not someone was over defensive is because we have 6 players who haven't figured out that votes make the game go round.
Your methods will always be workmanlike to me-
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@DH - you missed my question in order to make a joke and post a pic. I am highly amused, now please answer the below question;
Did redtail do a 100% scummy action?-
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@Far_Cry - what you're using as your current hypocrite defense is that you were hypocritical but aren't now, and that doesn't wash.
That's like saying - I shot someone yesterday but you can't arrest me because I'm not shooting anyone today.
Current actions don't remove past actions. I haven't seen anything from you that looks like scumhunting or townish behavior, so I'm perfectly fine still voting you. I'm asking others to vote you because that's how the game is played. Clearly though, either I'm really wrong about this, or all those people not voting yet are better at the game and need to show me how to play. (I'm pretty full of myself though, so I think the fault lies with them, natch)-
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Hey, redtail, if the argument is legitimate - how about you vote for Far_Cry?-
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@jimfinn - if you're uncertain of your reads you ought to sheep me and vote Far_Cry, I'm a brilliant and unique snowflake.-
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Because I want to get a wagon on you. I'd think that's pretty obvious.
Quite frankly, at this point, if anyone else was willing to make a case and grow a set and say 'yar, me haerties, 'ere be scum!' I'd probably hop onto that action in a second. Instead we have a wagon with 2 votes (1 for 'revenge' and the other from jimfinn, he who has no opinions), and a whole bunch of single votes kinda sitting there looking at everyone and wondering why the day is going nowhere fast. Well, I've got an express ticket to Actionville, USA, and it's called bloody well getting a wagon rolling when somebody has announced a scumtell and no one else has.-
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Tell you what, Far_Cry - how about you pick someone, make a case on them, and then I'll unvote you and support your case for a while. Won't that be exciting?-
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@singersinger - why aren't you voting yet? How about you promise to come along with me and Far_Cry on a wacky buddy comedy road trip involving sheep, beer, and a bus of Hungarian nuns in bikinis once he makes a case?-
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Perhaps I am being dumb.
But I do think running up a wagon will actually generate this magical contribution from everyone you're hoping for. Everyone in the game has posted at least once, what sort of contribution do you expect them to have? If it's votes well...let's get some vote movement. And if it's commenting on actions well...let's give them something to comment on.
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Hey...Far_Cry...remember that 'hypocrisy' thing from a page or so back?
You're doing it wrong.Far_Cry wrote:And as for getting a case on everyone, I'm still doing some analysis. Sorry for my indecisiveness; I'm just having difficulty getting a read on some people.
When you are free on Saturday, I would like to see a town list from you.
Or a scum list.
Or, y'know, anything.-
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@singersinger - since apparently we cannot discuss who is scum or who is town - please address this question.Thor665 wrote:How do you suggest we get the other players more involved?
If you don't then I will make a town list and doom us all.-
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@jimfinn - what are your thoughts on singersinger not wanting me to ask Far_Cry for a town list or scum list while at the same time she apparently has no issues with Far_Cry asking the same from Devon?-
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I've already said I find something scummy and have put down a vote and nobody will respond. I've asked repeatedly for people to follow along and vote and no one has responded. I've asked a couple of different people to put out a vote and promised to follow them if they did, and no one has responded. Trust me, the issue is not with Far_Cry - the issue is deeper then that. either I'm really bad at generating discussion, or we have a bunch of people who don't know how to exit RVSredtail896 wrote:@Thor: If a wagon is so important in your mind, create a new one. Your Far Cry one has clearly stalled.
That said, I'll begrudgingly agree that if I'm frustreated it is still my responsibility to (still) be trying to get these mooks to respond to anything.
@singersinger - were you responding to both posts at once? I don't think you were and your explanation doesn't even claim as such.
DemonHybrid is the biggest wagon, let's lynch him, plurality equates to brilliance. I'll ignore all the reads I had on him thus far and call him obvious scum for wanting to hang onto RVS reasoning. This is a brilliant case and should be respected.
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The way this town is going I'd actually have just expected you to sit at L-2 for about a week while people debated if my references to my beard are scum or town motivated.DemonHybrid wrote:I don't like quickhammers. I'll claim now that I'm at L-2 so that no one thinks they're smart and quickhammering is the way to go.
It's a town tell, in case anyone was wondering.
Why should we keep an eye on Devon? Other then your joke RVS there seems to be no basis or origin to this thought.DemonHybrid wrote: Keep an eye on Devon and Thor, especially after his devil may care attitude about a lynch.
Why do you not mention jimfinn, since you're commenting on everyone else on your wagon? If the 1st and 3rd votes are scummy, why not the 2nd?
Why is my vote 'devil may care' and Far_Cry's vote is 'understandable'?DemonHybrid wrote:I understand Far Cry and his desire to start a wagon here, however. More info is good.-
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I'm not feeling the redtail scum energy.
I consider Far_Cry ages ahead of Nexus - why don't you restate the case on Nexus and then see how you still feel about it. Methinks it's weaker then you're recalling.-
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If you're using 'backed off' as a tell check out how Far_Cry reacted to being called a hypocrite (in short - he admitted to it and begged off).
I say that's the same sort of mindset and reaction, why do you think it's different and/or a better scum tell on Nexus then Far_Cry?-
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@DemonHybrid - do you consider aggressiveness telling of alignment?-
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@Mod - prod request; Jackthank you.-
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Well, if he's scum I'm happy, if he was town this game just got harder.
@everyone who is not voting - what do you need in order to actually be willing to vote and why aren't you being proactive about it?-
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Yes, I'm talking about Jack.
Consider the fact that I consider Jack one of the best players I've interacted with on the site and my commentary makes perfect sense.
How do you see it *not* computing?-
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You're right, I'm trying to look pro town by admitting I like the playstyle and skill of a player who is replacing out - which is what all town do and what all scum have to fake doing in order to look town. Crudsticks, foiled again!-
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Absolutely - I just admitted to being scum - go ahead and vote me and lets get a wagon started, your evidence is pure and irrefutable.DemonHybrid wrote:Haha, did you just admit something?-
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What makes me so scum?singersigner wrote:What makes you so town?
How have I done this? Please try to be explicit.singersigner wrote:As far as I can tell, all you've been doing is confuse and Smurf the Smurf out of town.
Quite frankly, I think I answered those last two posts with *exactly* the level of serious concern and consideration they deserved.DemonHybrid wrote:I would agree with singer. You're being horribly anti-town now with the sarcasm and terrible responses.
Is this a 100% scummy action?-
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I really wish I had a vig power that could target people who haven't voted, as long as we're making wishlists. (though yours seems more likely to come true then mine )-
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This game will not get wheels, will it?
@ANDRIGAN - are you alive? Please vote somebody.
@redtail - please ISO DH and then tell me why you aren't voting him.
@nhamman - what's the case on singersinger again? I see scumminess there but I have to wonder why the guy *sheeping* her "case" is not as worthy for a vote?-
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@Far_Cry - the only real wagon we've had was the one on DH that got up to 4 votes, nothing else has really gotten beyond 1-2 votes. We haven't gotten discussion because about half the town is really super excited about their wagons of choice so they won't move, and the other half refuses to vote (and/or is flaking out)
@singersinger - you missed/dodged my question Frankly, so did DH, but his was a bit more of a rhetorical jab because I think it's starting to become pretty obvious how sketchy his read method is. Yours I want answered - specifically the second question to you, though the first one might amuse me to watch you answer it as well.-
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@singersinger
1. I can't tell if you're crazy or obtuse. Let's go with this - I'm town because my role PM proves that this is so - show me evidence to the contrary or go away.
2. So I'm being aggressive about things (or as I call them scumtells) and I'm making people get defensive (or as I call it, making them respond so I can get scum reads on them) Congratulations, you have discovered that my playstyle is more aggressive then yours!
How is this confusing town?
How is aggressiveness more likely to be done by scum then town?
Your list of scum suspects is really fascinating;
Thor
Far_Cry
DH
You...ah...have sort of noticed that amongst all of my aggressive attempts to confuse town that I've sort of championed both of the other lynches on your list, haven't you? What's your case on each of the other two - I want to see how it's different then mine - go!-
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We might need to make a list of who isn't buddying with me in this game - why is that part of so many cases? Do I have a known meta for succumbing to buddying I should be aware of?-
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singersinger - questions, she doesn't notice them because she doesn't read, or she thinks she can dodge them. See quoted text below for questions I'd still like answered.
Unvote: DemonHybrid
Vote: singersinger
Hopefully you'll notice stuff now.
Still wouldn't mind lynching DH either.Thor665 wrote:@singersinger
1. I can't tell if you're crazy or obtuse. Let's go with this - I'm town because my role PM proves that this is so - show me evidence to the contrary or go away.
2. So I'm being aggressive about things (or as I call them scumtells) and I'm making people get defensive (or as I call it, making them respond so I can get scum reads on them) Congratulations, you have discovered that my playstyle is more aggressive then yours!
How is this confusing town?
How is aggressiveness more likely to be done by scum then town?
Your list of scum suspects is really fascinating;
Thor
Far_Cry
DH
You...ah...have sort of noticed that amongst all of my aggressive attempts to confuse town that I've sort of championed both of the other lynches on your list, haven't you? What's your case on each of the other two - I want to see how it's different then mine - go!
Someone in that mix is probably scum.
singersinger's case on DH as currently presented is megaweak.
DH's case on me is still really excited about my sarcasm and "anti-town" behavior. Still hasn't explained how sarcasm = scum or how I'm being anti-town other then being sarcastic.
His other two points just show an inability to understand the strategy of what was happening around my votes - null to obtuse read on that.
More thoughts on singersinger once she cobbles together an answer to my questions.
@DH - questions or you - what is (specifically) my anti-town behavior and how does it hurt town?
Also, sarcasm as a scumtell? How does that work? <---I may or may not be being sarcastic with this question.-
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???DemonHybrid wrote:I had called you out for both using a pretty stretchy case on Far Cry (that hypocrite fiasco) and then voting me because "more votes are good". And your reaction to me calling that out is sarcasm. That's what makes it scummy.
You called me out for sarcasm when I responded to you "are you admitting something?" post when I was responding sarcastically to singersinger's case that I was scummy because I was either trying to act townie and/or was buddying to Jack as he replaced out (better's choice)
Is "Thor makes weak cases" the extent of your issue with me? If so stick to that, if not - then you really do need to explain the above.
I still don't think you explained how I was being anti-town - I guess the weak cases and sarcasm? Okaaaay...
What's your read on singersinger considering your hatred for weak cases and sarcasm?
@singersinger - Yes, I voted you so you'd notice and because I desperately crave attention at all times, it appears to be working on both counts. Looking forward to my answers.
Far_Cry wrote:I admit to making a mistake. My ideas of trying to not look ridiculous is wrong. It was also bad that I rage voted jimfinn (so I unvote now) But, I don't think it so scummy. True it was something to be suspicious about, but not to outright vote me and attack me. It truly would look ridiculous if I had unvoted so soon, and it has nothing to do with me being town or scum. It would just look ridiculous
Oh dear gawd, doesn't anyone know that you only need one VI in Mafia games, and you only need them for about half of Day One?
@Far_Cry - you admit you made a "mistake" that means you think you did something "wrong." In this game that equates to either anti-town or scummy - which means it's "right" for jimfinn to vote you for the wrongdoing, which means it's (once again) "wrong" that you rage voted him for it. This is one winding spiel of nothing that basically amounts to you saying 'yes, what I did was scummy, but I just made two scumtell mistakes one after another, let's move on please.'
@Andrigan - I want your read on singersinger and DH as regards the Thor case. Do you think both of them legitimately believe in the case they are presenting on me? Why/why not?
@redtail - Why do you think I couldn't get more votes on the Far_Cry wagon? Scum avoided hopping on for some reason, what are your thoughts as to why?
@jimfinn - In post 225 DH didn't notice that Jack had replaced out, I consider this potentially at odds with his persona of wanting to keep things exacting and not wanting town to act in a wild and wooly manner. What are your thoughts on this?-
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Quite frankly Far_Cry, I'd *LOVE* to wagon you up right now. But I can't seem to get that one going for some reason. Besides, it's not exactly like you're the one lone beacon of scum in this game.
Who's your current top scumread and why?-
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@Nexus - how am I being 'anti-town'? Quite frankly I think you're being more anti-town then me between your weak opinions and V/LAs.
@Far_Cry - I asked for your current top suspect (and reasoning), if you're planning to not answer the question let me know so I'll stop asking.-
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@Nexus - whoah! If you think I'm being intentionally rude to you then I immediately apologize. All I'm doing is playing the game and trying to actually keep conversationa nd information flowing.
If you legitimately think I'm stifling scumhunting by trying to run up wagons on people and trying to get other people to vote then I think you're really missing what I'm doing. Also, please note your top suspects list and then note the people that I've been pressuring - if I'm really so anti-town and am ruining scumhunting then why are all of your top suspects also my top suspects? And do you actually believe I've done nothing to get the information that you suspect them for out into the open?
Sarcasm is not a scumtell (nor is it anti-town, unless it's all the person does)
Istronglydisagree that my comments have been either nasty or have been because I'm acting like an a$$. (and if you think I'm rude and obnoxious you're in for a rough ride here at MS, because I'm one of the nice ones)-
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I was making a point using it as an example. You've done it, and I didn't call you a bad person for doing it, I just noted that it didn't help town. I never said you were acting like an a$$ for example, which might be something someone could take offense at in my mind.Nexus wrote:I think you're calling me out on having to go v/la was unnecessary and a little harsh, yes.
Quite frankly I'm indifferent on V/LAs (if I had an issue with that I would have had to be all over Jack). I do think my ding on you for not having enough of your own opinions is valid and appropriate, and you should seek to correct this.
The question I was responding to was unnecessary too.I know sarcasm isn't a scumtell, but I find your attitude a little unhelpful, and thus anti-town. Your comment a couple of pages back about "Imustbe scum blah blah blah" was unnecessary.
Serious question;
Let's say a player asked you this;
He's taking stuff out of context, bolding it, and making a joke (or he's making one of the worst scum cases ever.) You might decide that because he's saying "Haha" at the front of the post that he's not being serious. Therefore you have roughly three options;TheoreticalThor wrote:
Haha, did you just admit something?TheoreticalNexus wrote:Yes, he'sactinganti-town, but that doesn't mean he'sscummy. I've made that mistake before.
1. Ignore the post because it's not a helpful post.
2. React seriously to the post (how?)
3. Make a joke back.
When I was in that situation I made a joke and sarcastically claimed I *was* scum and he had caught me - he then called my sarcasm scummy and voted me for it - and now I have other players agreeing with him on this (???!)
What would you have done? Seriously - I want you to compose your pro-town response to that question and post it.-
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Okay, so at that point why is my answer so bad? At worst I probably shouldn't have replied at all in your opinion, but why is my reply so bad for town?-
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Also - is the question a good one for DH to have asked?
Why is the answer worse then the question?-
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Frankly, I think if you're listing my anti-town attitude as an issue in the game that it's not distracting but is relevant to the game. Why do you want to bring up my answer as bad but not discuss the relevance of the question?
Unvote: singersinger
Vote: DemonHybrid
Something's going on here.-
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...and do what?singersigner wrote:And if it's all the same, Thor, if it's the general consensus that your play isn't helping town (and/or only distracting/frustrating town), I might just rethink what your alignment truly is...
Decide I'm scum and vote me twice?
Decide I'm town and...unvote me...for being anti-town?
Wooosh!-
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