Mini 1061: Mafia in Someplace - Game Over!

[TheLonging]

I already confirmed by PM btw but /confirm

vote: el simo

let's get some game discussion going NOW

[TheLonging]

hurp a durp

[TheLonging]

Hi slaxx

lynch that guy who has never been lynched before. gogogo

[TheLonging]

come on just a few more fake votes on el mino here!

[TheLonging]

Also I'm a firm believer that random voting is pointless. I understand that people are gonna argue theory saying that its the best way to get the game going and it tells a bunch of about the character of everyone playing. But in my opinion, the information from random votes is almost just as reliable as the votes. When you see me vote, it'll be because I think that person is scum.

Oh my god.

I love you so much.

[TheLonging]

vote: slaxx

See guys? My voting of el got us somewhere!

[TheLonging]

Come on Sweep, you can do better than this.

[TheLonging]

Other players, the one that comes to mind at the moment is Sweep, has only posted useless garbage that doesn't give anything to town.

His first post, while being a confirmation post so I can't read too much in to it, throws a joke in there. Then his second post is a vote based on literally the most worthless basis possible. RNG based votes aren't even going to get reactions out of people or create discussion. The fact that you're throwing in such empty posts considering there is already active discussion leads me to believe that you're more interested in not being noticed than anything else.

This is earlier than I usually make a move, but I'm feeling aggressive today.

Vote Sweep

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Making a case out of RVS votes. lol

Slaxx hasn't given me a whole lot that I feel like I can read. I like his point about Longing, but I don't exactly agree with the tell. I just like the fact that he's found tells so early.

Likewise, I don't feel like I can get much of a read from Longing, Ben, or Elleran.

There is so much bullshit in here it isn't even funny.

Well the piece of the puzzle is this: I highly doubt one scum would shoot down an initial town read coming from a townie on their scumbuddy. Especially this early in the game. I'm not saying El Simo and TheLonging can't be partners, I am just saying its actually a pretty decent initial tell. Neither have done anything particularly scummy, so we'll leave it be for now.

unvote

Vote:Sweep

He's the only person to try and suggest scumteams this early, especially me and El Simo (of all people). The El Simo vote was to get people to try and talk, and Slaxx went along with it, abilet in a scummy way. And with this post? LOL He also joined a horrible BW, wow. And he doesn't seem genuine in what he says.

1) MA, USA
2) See sig, I played about 10 - 13 games offsite.
3) Depends on HS.

Sweep is 85% town here folks.

ICE ignores Sweep all of a sudden and goes to Retro. Retro gets a bit scummy by association.

So yeah, Slaxx and ICE are scum. Don't know who other scum could be but these 2 are sure bets

[TheLonging]

Read my post again, and this time try to not get overly defensive just because you see your name there, k? Thx.

Oh you're reading it wrong. I'm saying it's complete bullshit as well because that tell isn't reliable at all, AND on top of that, the fact that you couldn't get a "decent" read makes it all the more lulz.

Any bandwagon that isn't a lynch is good in RVS. Sorry bro.

You're saying this like scum don't enjoy BW's in RVS, when it's quite the contrary.

[TheLonging]

OK, complete bullshit was a misrep, sorry. I mean to say "it's not reliable all the time, usually works about 20% of the time". And yes I do: I could have fakeclaimed, or just simply post bullshit all the time. But I'm not. See, the bandwagon I created was to see who would join quick and without a thought. You just kind of uh.... did nothing. And joined. Don't worry, Ice made a bullshit case on Sweep, and others joined a horrible bandwagon, which in my view, "clear" Sweep of being scum because scum aren't that stupid.

[TheLonging]

YOU MADE A CASE ON SOMEONE BASED ON ONLY THEIR RVS VOTES, WHEN THE GAME WAS STILL PARTLY IN RVS. HOW IS THAT NOT SCUMMY?

It's bullshit because we've said enough and interacted enough to actually be able to discern shit. For example; I led a BW on el for no reason other than reactions, I'm voting and keeping my vote on Slaxx because of what he has done, and after that, I have now pretty much thought that sweep has to be town.

ICE: Slaxx hopped on QUICK. SCUM HOP ON QUICK AS WELL.

"Retro, just bandwagon my vote. I'm right."

WHAT DOES THIS IMPLY???

"Care to explain why? What do you base this statement on?"

The horrendous BW and the horrendous case and that scum wouldn't be stupid enough to make a shitty case on scum.

Also point out the scum slip again? I can't read it in his enormous texts.

ICE: You do not know me. I am not afraid to take complete stances unless you or slaxx change my mind. I say what's on my mind, and I am so confident in my reads. I am a confident person. You should check it It's The Mafia Again from Parama. You should also ch- wait that's ongoing nvm.

You really don't like it cause I attack you. I get this, it's alright.

[TheLonging]

Slaxx: You don't understand. That's WHY scum love to BW on RVS/psuedo-RVS votes. They think/know (usually the latter) they won't get caught. Really though, it's a good way to get scum.

[TheLonging]

That's quite debatable actually

[TheLonging]

because scum aren't that stupid.

Don't ever do this.

Oh my god this so much. Scum can and will do whatever the fuck they want.

Yes they can, but really, do you expect scum to lead a BW on their own scum? I mean, from the VERY first vote on them? And that picked up FAST. 3 or 4 votes sure, but do you realize what the people voting for Sweep were doing? They just voted and latched on to Ice.

@TheLonging; RVS's are generally meaningless. Mafia will gladly vote their partner because their partner is in no real danger. Clearing someone because they were bandwagoned first is terrible. Same can be said for who followed first.

But Ice voted for Sweep OUT of RVS. He used a case on Sweep based on RVS votes really. That's kind of, you know, STUPID at best.

el simo: You're arguing that all or most scum would stay low, be stupid, and lurk/not do anything useful while the rest of town argues with each other.

stop that

[TheLonging]

Mod: fix the bold tags?

Mod ~ Done.

[TheLonging]

OK retro and people you don't understand me.

When I saw scum lead a BW on their own scum, I was referring to Ice/Sweep, OUT OF RVS.

And I do realize, because he realized how crap his case was.

[TheLonging]

TheLonging, you're wayyyy too black and white about this. As I previously stated, the first RVS bandwagon hardly ever goes to completion so what do scum have to fear by hopping on a scumbuddies bandwagon if they are pretty sure it won't go to completion? And for that matter why should a townie care if he/she is confident the wagon will not go to completion? It is afterall the first bandwagon of the game.

Again, I meant ICE making a case on Sweep. Do you call that a RVS BW? Hell no. He made a case on Sweep based on HIS RVS votes.

[TheLonging]

Slaxx: This is from my prior experience playing on here and on several off-site games. I'm pretty sure in this. So the only way I could possibly think Sweep is scum barring any investigative reports is if ICE somehow got EXTREMELY lucky catching scum based on their RVS votes. And if you're going to defend Ice based on his meta, don't.

[TheLonging]

Excellent, now what do you think about everything else?

[TheLonging]

rweq is bad at reading

Sweep: I know, that's why I said EVERYTHING ELSE

[TheLonging]

*rewq

[TheLonging]

you have talked about retro, ice, and benmage. And the rest of us?

[TheLonging]

1. el simo - He misunderstood the point I made about Retro as previously detailed. He makes a good narrow point about Retro and his use of WIFOM.

can't comment on retro as I haven't read him yet because he posts too much and I fear from a quick glance most of it is fluff.

2. Iamnobody - Inactive

agreed

3. diddin - neutral, waiting for proper analysis.

agreed, but I think he might be neutral-town

4. TheLonging - You have been jostling me for more and more information to confirm or deny your suspicions, what are your suspicions, please make them public. I don't like the stoneclad confirmation that ICE is scum when the crap in the accusation is so obviously crap that it is only there to draw a reaction from the blind.

Trust me my friend; I have had many many games that have had this tell develop, and it USUALLY works. Not doubting it now.

6. Slaxx - I have made a post about Slaxx and my suspicions about his initial banter but am not sure what to make of it, since then he has offered no valuable insight apart from a a small cryptic clue.

agreed, but he's scummy to me. I have explained this.

8. Elleran - Neutral, more needed

agreed

10. Benmage - Done

agreed big time

11. rewq455 - Inactive

agreed

12. Jase - Inactive

agreed

These are my thoughts, now what are your thoughts about my thoughts? What are your thoughts TheLonging?

My thoughts are: ICE is scum, Slaxx is very scum (though not as high of a chance as ICE).

@TheLonging; Still think Sweep is clear?

I put clear in quotation marks dammit. Yes I think he is still.

Ok, I'm here. For real this time. Promise.

I get the impression of Longing and Retro sort of 'foaming at the mouth', it seems to me that they're in a frenzy. Which is a bit suspicious this early in the game. No reason to get so worked up guys, REALLY.

I am not a passive player, nor passive-aggressive player. I am aggressive. This is how I play. This is what usually works for me. Deal with it.

Longing: I would argue that the ICE v. Sweep bandwagon was not really out of RVS. Sure there was an actual case, and so it was no a 'random' vote, but RVS doesn't really end until a legitimate case is reached.

But ICE made a case on Sweep based on Sweep's random voting, and ICE made it seem like a legitimate case, even if he backtracked/tried to get out of it and switched his vote on someone else, now isn't that quite a funny story, eh?

Everyone: Stop clearing people! None of this 'If x is scum then y is probably town' shit either. It's way to early to be making these sort of calls. Unless you have a damn good reason that I've somehow missed.

It's what works for me.

Now then, someone pointed out sweeps rather baffling statement that Ices bandwagon was some sort of gambit. This is significant. Sweep is probably my top pick for scum because of it.

Look at you, with your double standard.

I'm also leaning in a scumward direction on retro, thelonging, and ben. Retro because of his fairly weak defense a defense which should have been a simple 'I assume there are three scum because that's normal' sort of thing. Longing because of his useless pursuing of a useless wagon, and because of the apparent frenzied state.

See: playstyle. By the way it's not useless, you don't let scum escape your grasp when you catch them unless you have a damn good reason to switch to someone else.

Ben because I just don't like his bullshit 'I'm the best one here, and you aren't worthy of my participation'.

I'll give him one more post.

Ok with everyone mentioning retro I'm going to read him. Fuck walls.

[TheLonging]

DH I really have no clue what you're talking about for most of that post so I'm actually gonna have to go LOOK through the thread later. And I love you bro, but Sweep seriously?

[TheLonging]

You also give Longing town points because (and I'm paraphrasing) he was being too obviously scummy for him to be scum.

THIS IS BULLSHIT.

You never, ever, ever give anyone town points for this. EVER! For example, imagine in a game player X when at L-1 and asked to claim, claims scum. Do you instantly clear him because 'There's no way scum would do something so obvious'? No. You do not. Or if player Y sees the impending lynch on player X and says 'Player A has been really townie so far, but he's obviously going for an easy mislynch on X, it must all be an act. Let's lynch him instead.' He does not become the towniest guy in the village. Scummy is equal to scummy. There is no such thing as too scummy to be scum. It does not exist.

IT DOES NOT EXIST!

Meta. It works in cases like this.

[TheLonging]

But Ice voted for Sweep OUT of RVS. He used a case on Sweep based on RVS votes really. That's kind of, you know, STUPID at best.

In my experience, someone making a vote out of RVS actions or RVS responses is what ends the RVS. This isn't useless or stupid. I obviously didn't believe in the case, as the unvote came quickly. I did, however, managed to pull a few players in to an awkward bandwagon, thus getting a better read out of them. Would you say what I did was anti-town, considering all that?

Oh yes

So the only way I could possibly think Sweep is scum barring any investigative reports is if ICE somehow got EXTREMELY lucky catching scum based on their RVS votes.

Any time anyone throws a weak, moderately random (discussion engaging, the purpose of the vote was to incite him to post content) vote, there is about a 1/3 or 1/4 chance depending on the setup of actually landing vote on scum. It was no different with my vote than any other so far, really. Why are you so convinced Sweep is town? At the point in the game when you declared Sweep probably town, he had done so little that the only possible way you could have indication that he is town is by having scum information.

You know how numbers don't work in cases like this? They do in other cases but not this one, so you're pulling information out of your ASS. And, you know how mislynches are led on townies who are generally scummy? Well this is a case where I can see that Sweep votes are wrong, because his defenses may be weak, but the way he's going about them is TOWN, which I think you people are forgetting is a key part in this.

I think Longing's arguments are completely crap, as I placed a vote on someone with the purpose of generating discussion. That isn't scummy.

LET ME KEEP HAMMERING MY POINTS IN OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL PEOPLE ACTUALLY REALIZE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. OH WAIT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BOTHER ANYWAYS AND CALL IT CRAP. YUP. b(''b)

[TheLonging]

Longing's case, as well as diddin's parrot shortly after, on me seems to be completely based on the fact that I made an RVS escaping vote. This is absolutely terrible.

IT WAS NEVER BASED JUST ON THIS, IT WAS ALSO BASED ON YOU BEING SCUMMY, AND YOUR DEFENSES BEING SCUMMY AS WELL, MISREP OUT THE ASS WHY DON'T YOU

*breathes in*

*breathes out*

[TheLonging]

I just realized TL says ICE is more scummy than me but he is voting ICE

Also I love how for sure everyone is about my case on Elleran and yet no one has joined me in my vote on him. Typical scum wagon: hard to get going d1.

I can use that same logic about your wagon and ICE.

See, both of you are scum so I have to push the wagon of ONE of you. Generally how I play is I push the wagon I am not as sure of, it helps me a lot more in finding other scum, including the obvious one. Hence I am pushing your wagon but calling out ICE.

TL, as an aside, don't put your statements bolded in the quote boxes. Generally unfavorable.

This way is just so much easier for me to organize your thoughts.

OK, here is the thing: I think ICE is scum in every single scenario here EXCEPT for the following:

Sweep and Slaxx are both town.

Interactions, that's why. If Sweep is scum, Slaxx will be town to me but ICE is still scum. However if both of them are town, then due to interactions, it'd be hard for ICE to be scum, so I'd eliminate him from my scum suspects list.

[TheLonging]

au contraire, my confidence on ICE being scum is big.

[TheLonging]

Elleran: I can see how he's scum, but it's been a DAY or two, not enough to constitute active lurking.

Slaxx: Again, have you played with me outside of EM, where my meta is VERY different? Diddin and DH can help me on this, It's The Mafia Again and a couple off-site games (though not as recent) are good examples of where my not letting scum go and confidence is a good example of how I play. It's worked for me in a couple games (/in-vitational 7, but frustration took over my common senses near the end of day 1, It's The Mafia Again), and I'm pretty sure over my mafia career, I've been refining how I've played. This is working for me.

Slaxx: Nice AtE at the end there. And Parama is usually wrong. All of his off-site games. He was wrong on all but 1 of his scum reads, I don't know about here. Also I am sure on this. And no it's not just RVS activity, but it's also interactions, and a couple other subtle scumtells that I'll point out when I can finally POST THIS FUCKING POST.

[TheLonging]

You get unlimited slaxx points because I already know you're a good scumhunter. And I will know your alignment by the end of the day, and you will know mine too. Its just come from months of playing EM with you.

First of all please tell me where EM-playing comes in line with forum mafia playing.

Well the piece of the puzzle is this: I highly doubt one scum would shoot down an initial town read coming from a townie on their scumbuddy. Especially this early in the game. I'm not saying El Simo and TheLonging can't be partners, I am just saying its actually a pretty decent initial tell. Neither have done anything particularly scummy, so we'll leave it be for now.

unvote

Vote:Sweep

I understand the logic behind this vote, but I can't tell if it's a srs or RVS vote. Oh nvm you want a BW going on Sweep a; WAIT JUST A MINUTE

Also there's a whole stream about him not understanding me, or misrepping me, I can't tell which is which at this point.

Also in your post where you give opinions on players; we got along well on EM

ICE voted someone for random voting, in essence, then tried to justify it. And thats who I forgot in my post too. I felt like there was somebody.

ICE could get my vote later, but I want to pressure some people who have been posting but not provided content. See: rewq, elleran, iamnobody

Is this how you still think Slaxx? I don't wanna get the wrong idea here. This post is critical in my read of you; your answer helps determine this.

your vote on Ellrean is interesting because pressure is good but it's been a real day or so since game start, active lurking can't be used as a good excuse to help support your case YET, give the guy a break if he has RL issues.

I've played with Retro before on EM as well, so the following posts just look like coaching to me rather than newbie advice.

DH didnt acknowledge my hi

He is right though I buddy with urryone

Buddying, depending on how it's used and the personality of the player, is a very common scumtell in my books I use. I caught a couple scum with it before, and you're on the fence here.

[TheLonging]

Explain where I used AtE?

If you're sure on it, than you're a moron. I hate when people say they are sure on stuff because you can never be sure until the flip. You can be confident, persuaded, or deluded, but you can never be SURE. Question yourself in the past and tell me how many other times you have been SURE of something in this game and it turned out to be wrong.

Only one; Sweep being "clear" (OMG QUOTATION MARKS). He's neutral-leaning moderately town, and if I didn't know better though, I'd say he's neutral-leaning very slight town.

Also, "you're wrong (but I can't really argue against your points against me)", comparing me to Parama (harsh bro), etc.

And on an unrelated note, this

[TheLonging]

I am not appealing to anyone emotionally

You're appealing to the town out of anger.

I am not appealing to anyone emotionally

You're appealing to the town out of anger.

I am not appealing to anyone emotionally

You're appealing to the town out of anger.

I am not appealing to anyone emotionally

You're appealing to the town out of anger.

I am not appealing to anyone emotionally

You're appealing to the town out of anger.

I am not appealing to anyone emotionally

You're appealing to the town out of anger.

Sorry, but if you lynch me for buddying (i.e if that is what makes or breaks your case) then I would encourage the town to take a STRONG look at you tomorrow because you know very good and well how personable I am during mafia games.

So you're misrepping me then. Good to know.

Also lol strict definitions

[TheLonging]

"Longing: Alrighty. I want you to post your cases on your two suspects (Ice and slaxx yeah?). I'd very much appreciate it if you'd put nothing else in this/these post(s). You've been fairly incoherent, and it's hard to know clearly who you suspect and why."

ISO feature. But fine. Tomorrow.

Why tomorrow? Because my parents are being complete and utter shit.

[TheLonging]

I'm sorry for not posting for a while, but my parents are absolute bullshit now. Things have started to improve here so I can actually be on more, but this is going to be a problem, and I DO want to be in the game and not replace out.

Anyways, I just realized now that I forgot what I was supposed to be doing and why people are waiting on me.

[TheLonging]

I refuse to replace out of this game because I've replaced out of too much. I want to stay.

here's my thinking.

ISO'd Ellearn, ISO'd Slaxx. Skimming over I am less sure of Slaxxscum and I'm willing to believe Ellearn scum.

unvote

Vote: Elleran

I am however, still sure on ICEscum.

Sorry guys, I'll be in full swing by tomorrow!

[TheLonging]

you guys want to be ready for this

I have not read every single wall or post in this game, because walls are convulted and unnecessary unless needed otherwise for a case or responding to a wall, which in turn creates more walls.

However, I believe el simo is town.

Omg

[TheLonging]

OH MY GOD SMIT DID SOMETHING GOOD <333 NOW, IF MORE PEOPLE BESIDES SMIT SUPPORT A LYNCH ON ICE, CAN WE DO IT NOW

unvote
vote: iceninja

ICE/possibly Ellrean

btw I just realized I left this window open for like an hour or so v_v

[TheLonging]

you guys want to be ready for this

I have not read every single wall or post in this game, because walls are convulted and unnecessary unless needed otherwise for a case or responding to a wall, which in turn creates more walls.

However, I believe el simo is town.

Omg

What?????? LoL, scum, did you read your pm. There does seems to two splits here.

I am scum because how? It's in jest, but that's not the problem here. You're just not good at getting reactions/good at this game.

That sounds like an admission of guilt DH. Lynching time?

You too.

[TheLonging]

v/la until sunday

I'll post on my cell when I can however

[TheLonging]

OH MY GOD SMIT DID SOMETHING GOOD <333 NOW, IF MORE PEOPLE BESIDES SMIT SUPPORT A LYNCH ON ICE, CAN WE DO IT NOW

You seem desperate to lynch me, and yet there is significantly more steam on your second suspect. You wouldn't happen to be trying to keep a scum buddy alive, would you?

This class, is what we call "accusing without viable reasons".

ICE what are you talking about? I think one of us is missing sumtin.

He's not being town is the problem.

ICE: When you've caught scum, you STAY on them. I thought Ellrean was scum as well, but I would obviously support a bandwagon on you. There's 2 reasons why I'm voting you; first of all, what you say makes more sense coming from a scum perspective than a town perspective. Two, it's just that feeling I get from you, that I feel like is scum for sure.

[TheLonging]

Well ICE, I have nothing to lose, I'm going to damn well vote scum. Benmage, what do you think of me/ICE/Ellrean interaction?

[TheLonging]

diddin be more helpful

preview edit: so you WANT to play scummy. that's fine and dandy with me then.

fos: diddin

[TheLonging]

Slaxx isn't scum for pushing that Ellrean lynch. I don't think scum would push a bus for almost all of Day 1 and not back down from it.

I ctrl+f'd Elleran's name in both Sweep's and Smit's ISOs. What I found was that one of the only times Smit or IamNobody said anything about Elleran was in this post:

@ Retro, I replaced iamnobody and awesome post.

Another reason why my vote will stay on Slaxx. Next Elleran, sweep and el simo.

AKA Vote: Townie FoS: Scumbuddy. Classic scum tactic.

unvote Vote: smitster

Sweep mentioned Elleran a little more, and his vote at the end of the wagon is kinda shifty. He never did his analysis of Elleran and all day preferred to stick to Retro instead of talk about Elleran.

I think Smit is the best lynch today. Still also supportive of a Sweep lynch.

This is classic.

vote: diddin

FoS: Smit

[TheLonging]

Yes Slaxx, it is a joke. I'm waiting for diddin to call me scum any moment now. smit is uberVItown though, possibly trolling, but 100% idiotic.

diddin however is using flawed logic (vote townie fos scumbuddy for one) as well as trying to implicate Sweep as scum through null means (how is the vote shifty for one? How good was your wagon analysis and are you confident in it diddin?)

[TheLonging]

SHM4 is done with DH

[TheLonging]

ok, diddin has now finally made a good point.

unvote
vote: el simo

[TheLonging]

I've had no further info to change any of my FOS's and I'll vote them as such until I do.

This IS VItown play here, this is why smit couldn't be scum.

[TheLonging]

Not only am I having laptop problems (though not that severe), I have real life issues as well as this game going holy fuck fast. Even for me, it's going by way too fast for me to keep up. I DO want to play.

BTW, my vote stays and Smit is horrible, we lynch him tomorrow.

[TheLonging]

Slaxx: I don't know anything about Sweep, it would be helpful if you could summarize a case on him, because trying to reread is killing me here.

[TheLonging]

vote: smitster

I agree with this lynch, but tomorrow we can make an el simo lynch happen right?

[TheLonging]

I see what you say but that's not my whole point at all. smit is a horrible VI and el simo is scummy. And you people post at an insane pace and it's almost impossible to keep up

[TheLonging]

I am still here and still content on a smit lynch. El simo may be the last scum. Though now I'm not sure. I guess I'd say diddin if I HAD to pick one.

[TheLonging]

Mod Edit ~ Redacted.

[TheLonging]

mod: delete the last post? wrong game

Mod ~ Game mods don't yet have the requisite permission to delete posts other than their own, so the best I can do for you is to redact the text.

[TheLonging]

ugh I hate myself, I mixed up 2 games.

I am VT.

[TheLonging]

So, if you ignore DH's and Retro's plays and look at them at face value, who do you think is town/scum? DH has been consistent town throughout this whole game for me, so I believe his claim.

[TheLonging]

So, if you ignore DH's and Retro's claims and look at them at face value

, who do you think is town/scum? DH has been consistent town throughout this whole game for me, so I believe his claim.

Read that again, thanks. I also fixed the quote and put what I meant to put there.

[TheLonging]

smit likes to contradict himself a lot, and he hasn't claimed. This is why he's a good lynch

[TheLonging]

Nyoro~n

[TheLonging]

if Carrotcake and Jase are confirming masons, I would think smit

[TheLonging]

No actually, because I believe DH is town and why would we lynch DH? Furthermore, how do you know he's town?

[TheLonging]

Let me throw out this theory; if DH is scum, do you go after me?

[TheLonging]

so now do we go after me or smit?

[TheLonging]

I don't mind if we go after me, I haven't been so helpful to the game and I'd probably be an inconvinence. However, I'm sure smit is scum not based on VIness but based on legit scumtells, and benmage is town to me.

me or smit today, this is what I would prefer.

[TheLonging]

I agree with a lynch on me, as long as we lynch Ben.

wait a minute

who roleblocked/protected who? we can't rule out simo and jase yet, so we need to know what actions happened.

[TheLonging]

No, look. I have been reading.

have you been knowing statistics?

5 - 2
4 - 2
3 - 2

OK so see, Jase and el simo's replacement can be scum. they just have to LIE. Do you know that? Lying is effective. Vote me. OK, lynch me. I'm not afraid, if it'll help go to lynch scum. I'm just saying, benmage might not be the scum.

[TheLonging]

So what you took me seriously or no? Don't call me an idiot for speculating, Benmage isn't stupid enough to blow it as scum with that post. His intentions are genuine, he just needs to know who's actually scum.

[TheLonging]

Do you know what helps benefit mafia players? Examining all possible ends of what could happen, all the possibilities, then crossing them off based on probability.

[TheLonging]

I could also say YAY GUYS YOU WON GOOD GAME, but I am town, and alas, life goes on.

[TheLonging]

that WAS the hammer right?

[TheLonging]

TL: You were wrong almost all game :p but you were on the Elleran wagon so you definitely had that going for you. I liked playing with you on EM and I think part of the problem stemmed from your limited access to the forums. I had you pegged as town most of the game, but when it was between you and Ben I felt like it was you.

See, if I had more access to the laptop during those times, I am sure I would have dropped my ICE suspicion. As it stood though, rereading was way too much of a hassle in a game where posts where being made every 10 minutes, so I couldn't bother. Oh well

[TheLonging]

I just ask that people look at it situationally. Slaxx and TL were about to break the game open with that conversation; it was looking REALLY bad for us. Better to de-legitimatize TL's arguments and logic than to let it go on.

Yeah the problem is when someone drives a barrier and breaks my concentration in the game, I can become very vulnerable.