Mini 1079: Midnight Mafia- Game End

[RichardGHP]

ATTN: Wall is imminent.

[RichardGHP]

Hello everyone, I'm replacing Erinyes. Thanks, mod, for the oppurtunity. Playerlist is pleasing to start with. Pity one of my favourites is scum (which we will get to)!

I'd like to open this up with a question: if you are in four man mylo would you prefer to no lynch first and lynch in three man lylo or lynch someone in mylo? What about six man mylo?

No Lynch in both cases.

Parama, you might want to be careful - you're skirting the quoting of role PMs rule. I'd really be disappointed if you got modkilled, since you're a good town player.

Coaching (which in turn is setting up a buddying tell), appealing to something ("I'd be really disappointed if you got modkilled"). Stop trying so hard.

Netopalis +1

Ooh. Nathanael, I see your red role name. Care to explain?

What are you talking about?

Well, your role PM has your name in red, right?

Last time I checked it was green

Parama, you might want to be careful - you're skirting the quoting of role PMs rule. I'd really be disappointed if you got modkilled, since you're a good town player.

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lol?

Parama, you might want to be careful - you're skirting the quoting of role PMs rule. I'd really be disappointed if you got modkilled, since you're a good town player.

I'm not talking about MY role PM but Nathaneal's.

Thanks for claiming scum with him, though.

unvote, vote: Nathaneal

2 down, just need to find the third.

lol!

This has scum written all over it, in the sense that there's nothing here at all.

Whatever-his-name-is +1

Okay then. Nathaneal, name your #1 scumpick as of right now.

how am I supposed to know?

Uh, check your QT for the identity of your other buddy?

Nat +2

Please. You're really going to claim that, because I called you on a rules violation, I'm scum? I expected better of you, Parama. We both know that you were newbie baiting, a technique which is horrendously unsporting in a game of Mafia.

Appeal to Experience. Come on Neto, you can do better than that!

Neto +2

unvote. vote: horrordude0215. note: netopalis is still scum.

why do you think?

shouldn't have gotten so trigger happy. unvote. vote: netopalis. remember this?

nocase +3

You have the burden of proof here, Parama. You are talking nonsense about my role PM and how Neto claims scum with me. I have not seen a single step in your argumentation that I could follow.

An ever-so-subtle hint of WMFM here.

Nat +3

Is this your normal playstyle, or are you attempting to get reactions? If this is how you normally play, then you have an extremely anti-town method.

both. also, this is why you are scum. we went over the benefits of unexplained votes in that game.

a full year afterward

you are still asking the same questions. don't pretend to have forgotten. you're doing the same routine you did that game. scum routine.

You have switched votes 3 times in 3 pages

not true. i voted you, then horror, then you. i only switched twice, and even then i didn't vote for a new person every time.

Justify yourself.

go-go gadget high-and-mighty!

Sigh, another meta-dependant loon.

nocase +4

Nathanael: What Parama was doing earlier was against the rules. However, making attacks on a player is required in the game of Mafia. You can't hide behind the rules and expect them to protect you from other players' questioning.

yes, I agree. But one thing are

in-game

attacks, like "you are scum". But attacking my person by spelling my name wrong on purpose is not an in-game attack and is in no way related to scumhunt or questioning.


@Parama, I am going to ignore every post directed at me where you deliberately spell my name wrong. If Nathanael is to difficult for you, call me Nat.
What you are doing is just flaming and trolling, and that IS against the rules in every forum I have been. Don't even try to bully on me just because you are on this site longer than me.

You have a lot to learn, mon frere.

You have never explained your FoS on me. You are just regurgitating what others are writing about me, you aren't doing any scum-hunting. The moment that anyone puts pressure on you to explain yourself you suddenly shrivel up and then pass an FoS so as to attempt to justify the rest of the post: 'I can't think of any reasons, but it's okay because Slowsilver is still defo scum'.

You in turn have not justified your vote. Please elaborate on your reasoning (scum motivation is a good starting point).

FoS slowsilver

Was the rest of my argument sound?

Red flag here.

HoS

Also, LaL they've had plenty of time to respond by now!

Are you being anti-town on purpose?

Silver +1

Is hard to give major conclusions d1 without any info.

There's plenty of info. You just have to read it.

Also, i may want to add that i'm not liking the Nexus BW and the number of people not voting.

Because?

neto is still scum so let's lynch him before he flakes out and his replacement posts something really convincing.

OK, I might be blowing this way out of proprtion... but if you think you COULD be convinced that he's not scum, why would you want to lynch him in the first place?

nocase +5

#158 is accurate, I think. Parama = town.

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So, let's tally up our points.

Netopalis: 2
Nothanool: 3

nocase: 5

slowsilver: 1

VOTE: nocase

Happy to lynch anyone in the top 3 today.

[RichardGHP]

You aren't vollkan, and nocase is town.

I decided I like his method of scumhunting, so I'm trying it out for a game.
I am 100% sure nocase is scum.

Nat: ObvOMGUS is not helping your cause.

[RichardGHP]

nathanael, richardghp is a terrible player. do his fuck-ups really look dishonest to you, or just moronic?

I didn't replace in to be chastised. You and everyone else, leave that attitude at the door right now.

[RichardGHP]

Parama, if you think I'm wrong, you have to say why. Annoying as you are, I will take what you say into consideration, so go ahead. Prove me wrong.

[RichardGHP]

You have the information down, so now the analysis.

[RichardGHP]

Point has gone over your head.

Fill in the blank: nocase reads as town because ___________

[RichardGHP]

And how do you know the contents of his Role PM?

[RichardGHP]

Heh. You're on your way to outdoing yourself this time, Parama.

[RichardGHP]

Ahem.

Parama.

You still need to explain, without relying on or resorting to quotes or pointless assumptions, why nocase is town.

[RichardGHP]

@horror: It's possible. Are you implying that scum absolutely would not test for reactions with a faux daykill?

[RichardGHP]

Rich: I already explained and don't feel like repeating myself.

Link me to your explanation?

[RichardGHP]

You still need to explain, without relying on or resorting to quotes or pointless assumptions, why nocase is town.

It almost seems as though you don't want an answer from Parama, but want to back him into a corner with this statement.

How so? What I seek from Parama is analysis. I have no interest in cornering him, because it's honestly a feat beyond my skill level.

[RichardGHP]

Sigh.

The quotes must be adequately commented on. Answering a question with a quote and a quote only means nothing to me.

The assumptions have to have some reasonable grounds. For instance, I could assume that you were town because the town faction is associated with the colour green, and green is associated with your native Ireland. That is a pointless assumption (logical fallacy to be specific). Parama needs to give reasons that make sense and are his own.

[RichardGHP]

Do we need the 5 extra days before deadline to do anything?

[RichardGHP]

slowsilver, enough of that kthnx.

[RichardGHP]

OK, I admit that I'm dumb, always have been and always will be.

P.S. Congratulations on successfully coercing me into appealing to emotion.

[RichardGHP]

Unvote, Vote: Nat-whatever

I'm fine with his lynch.

[RichardGHP]

Dude, you're not dead yet.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Nat

LA until further notice

LA noted

-Midnight

[RichardGHP]

Access Restored

No other comment at this time.

[RichardGHP]

Unvote, Vote: Nexus

I'm not convinced.

[RichardGHP]

Deeerp activity stand-still.

@horror; bv: Why are you not voting?

[RichardGHP]

@horror; bv: Why are you not voting Nexus?

That also works.

[RichardGHP]

What harm can a claim possibly do?

[RichardGHP]

[RichardGHP]

It's not funny anymore.
_________

That was the hammer, right?

[RichardGHP]

I think Parama might actually be on the right track with his reads this game.

[RichardGHP]

Who's the last scum, Para?

[RichardGHP]

Fair enough. My initial suspicion of Netopalis makes him a viable lynch FMP anyway.

Vote Zdenek

[RichardGHP]

Helloooooo appeasement.

[RichardGHP]

(It probably wouldn't bother Parama to be honest)

[RichardGHP]

Fabulous.

[RichardGHP]

Yay for thread stand-still!

Vote Count please.

[RichardGHP]

Claim/hammer please.

[RichardGHP]

Another LA until further notice

[RichardGHP]

I have role-related info (i.e. info that's reliable) that either there is no SK, or town has a massive amount of protective roles.
I really doubt the first one, and therefore the second has to be the right one. It would totally not exclude a firefighter.
think about it, what's the point of making a arsonist, if you don't have a firefighter? why not just make a normal SK?

what do you think about the possibility that scum might kill by setting fire?

Elaborate please?

Neutrality has been my view on kill flavours ever since... well, it must be almost a year now. Parama can tell you more if he wishes; I won't bore you with the details. The point is, kill flavours can vary mainly from mod-to-mod, and they shouldn't be relied on too heavily.

I think this is a safe question to ask.

Mod: Can you tell us if your kill flavours are relative to roles, or if they are purely sporadic?

[RichardGHP]

Also,

Access Resotred

.

[RichardGHP]

Indubitably, old chum.

[RichardGHP]

Parama, who's your contingency scum in the event that Zdenek or Charlie flip town?

[RichardGHP]

Answer.

[RichardGHP]

Failtown?

[RichardGHP]

If he's confirmed to be V/LA, then we can probably PM her now.

[RichardGHP]

[RichardGHP]

In.

[RichardGHP]

vote: Charlie

Parama, would you object to "

Puppet Master

" as a titular nomination?

[RichardGHP]

I'll take that as a yes.

Hammer please.

[RichardGHP]

Directed at everyone.

[RichardGHP]

Edit: Anyone capable.

[RichardGHP]

themanhimself hammered. 7 alive, 4 to lynch. Parama voted somewhere in his wall of posts, followed by bv, myself and themanhimself. Charlie is lynched and then some.

[RichardGHP]

And with the surrender it looks like we won.

[RichardGHP]

Well, I think I'll be nominating Parama for Paragon.

I trust you approve of my night actions?

[RichardGHP]

Oh, and obligatory thanks to Midnight for allowing me to replace in, and for making a great game.

[RichardGHP]

^

Except for the -constant- reminders.

[RichardGHP]

I had Netopalis-scum within my first post.

[RichardGHP]

Mhm.