Mini 1145 — Plain Mafia (over)

[inHimshallibe]

Yo.

Read the last page on my way to posting hi, saw four posts in a row voting Peabody.

My kind of Town.

Will read these 9 pages and post some thoughts today.

[inHimshallibe]

Vote: Pine

For defending walls. There is a huge difference between a scumtell, nulltell, towntell, and protown and anti-town.

Conciseness is both pro-town and a null tell.
Bad players are anti-town and a null tell.

First terrible post. Voting Pine for defending walls and then going on to discuss things that are not walls.

Peabody really wordy with his first post about AMP and random voting and RVS.

For future reference, I'm noting AMP's late RVS vote because already 25 posts and on the first page, Iceninja's questions seem to have killed RVS. I'm not pointing fingers here yet, but it looks out of place. However, I do understand the temptation for a random vote, but I feel the RVS has been born and has died here on the first page.

^NERVOUS SCUM
VOTE: Peabody

Edited out the bold —Fenhl

I noticed this too. Already had a quick post typed up when I noticed we were already on page 2. I've gotta stop relying on the "Go to first unread post" button. I miss new pages all the time.

VOTE: Peabody

"Noticed"... what exactly? Nervousness, I suppose, though there are no other thoughts to be offered. Pretty vague, don't like it.

If everyone may take notice, on the post where I ask my questions, I clearly state that this information is for my own purposes, and I give no indication that they have anything to do with determining anyone's alignment. That will come soon. For now, I just like to know if people are going to be posting at weird hours or are total newbies. The third question is more of a theoretical one that I hope to someday use to catch lurking scum on. It hasn't happened yet, but who knows. I ask these questions every game, and they don't harm anyone to answer them.

I don't want to discuss or quote directly from the game, as it is still ongoing, but I asked the exact same questions in newbie 1133 and Erratus answered them very differently.

He is lying right now in response to question number 2. Townies don't need to lie.

Vote Erratus Apathos

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As for the extra mislynch, we get one if a doc/jailkeeper/roleblocker prevents a kill, and gives any vig we have the option to shoot without costing us a mislynch. I'm not against the 12 players at day 1 for these reasons.

Yeah, this is a pisspoor vote. Obvious joking from EA in my opinion being way overblown by ICE.

Trendall's prod response is very likely town.

Oh no! Someone is lying in a way that's completely obvious and intentional about something barely game-related at all! He must be scum!

Sarcasm doesn't make my point invalid. He answered my questions before without stupid responses before, very different then his recent answers. What could have changed since then? His role, possibly.

Be useful and vote Lucresia.

You're telling me to vote someone whom you haven't even made a case against. Why should I vote him?

Is your vote on Erratus serious or a joke?

It is as serious a vote as I can think of making with the information we currently possess.

Forced, forced, and forced.

In her post* I am not a big one on "i'm a girl i'm a girl" or anything, but would rather not be called a him all game if that can be stopped at the beginning

I answered the questions from ICE because although it isn't useful in my opinion, I have nothing to hide or harm by answering it.

Concerning my random vote and wink face. It's a day 1 first vote, I voted random and had no basis. You may not agree with a random vote but it doesn't make me scummy. Also I don't think I get your logic or lack thereof concerning my comment of not losing an important information role on the dreaded night "0". A town player isn't allowed to be happy that main roles that help the town didn't get thrown out the window basically before the game really starts? Why would only a scum be concerned with this? Your quick reaction to vote me off a random vote and no serious allegations makes me curious what you are hiding that you need to shift focus on someone else who has only made their first post in the game.

Don't like any of the last paragraph. Too much turning it around and not enough "lolno".

The last sentence of your post needs some clarification, Erratus.

Are you saying, "Four more votes on Lucresia, who is scum!"?

or

"Scum, please vote for Lucresia?"

Your sentence seems to me to mean the second thing, but I'm willing to wait for your clarification.

This post was remarkably dumb. First meaning was obvious. Second meaning was stupid.

The Lucresia wagon looks good, but I'll keep mine on Peabody for now. Didn't get enough pressure.

Sensey no makey.

Trendall, EA, and DRK leading my town reads as of the bottom of Page 2.

[inHimshallibe]

Ooh, and Valern.

[inHimshallibe]

In reading everything Pine has posted, only 1 thing really jumped out at me:

I noticed this too. Already had a quick post typed up when I noticed we were already on page 2. I've gotta stop relying on the "Go to first unread post" button. I miss new pages all the time.

He seems to try really hard to make it look like he's not sheeping. Doesn't seem like town would worry so much about that.

Bewilderingly singles out Pine, adds something incredibly weak. Let's see if he singles everyone out, or this is just a one-off.

Christmas, too many unnecessary words in posts. I know we all like our little corner in the Internet for mental masturbation (this forum, namely), but geeeeeeez. Or maybe I'm playing with a bunch of English II students or something. Gimme a break.

Pine and Peabody aren't scum together imo. Top of Page 4 seems way unnecessary for two scum.

Lucresia is probably scum. Flail!

Valern still town.

Goodness, this is a mess. It is page 4, Lucresia has fallen apart and claimed at L-2, Valern is asking for more votes on her, and more than 1 would be a lynch.

Lucresia is indeed making a lot of posts and saying absolutely zero relevant things in them. I don't like this. That being said, I don't want to put someone at L-1 on page 4. We've got a player who has a grand total of 1 in his post count, and several players who have contributed little or nothing to the game so far.

I actually don't like lynchking's vote at all. He shows up, and the

only

thing he comments on is agreeing with the leading bandwagon. Sounds pretty opportunistic to me.

Unvote, vote lynchking

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Lucresia, stop this...whatever it is you're doing, and find scum. If you are scum, go ahead and continue to post zero content posts.

Post concerning one player, then use a single reason to vote another. Yesscum.

Trendall's unvote of Lucresia is odd.

End of Page 4:
Town - DRK, EA, Valern (stock rising), Trendall (stock falling)
Not-so-Town - ICE, Pine, Romanus
Scum - Lucresia

[inHimshallibe]

Probably add ICE to the last tier with Lucresia, actually.

[inHimshallibe]

PEDIT: Just saw the votecount. Who the hell am I replacing that voted EA...

unvote

[inHimshallibe]

Lots of vote swings. Good, good.

The last page or so have been strange.

First, Lucresia's reaction and claim. After her last post, I'm really not sure how to read Lucresia. I still find her behavior suspicious, but the last post was a train wreck, and during the last page, a lot of other people have seemed a lot more suspicious to me.

Next, the strange ICENinja bandwagon. First, Romanus puts a vote on ICENinja with a single sentence for justification. In the next post, Trendall, who had seemed strongly behind the Lucresia wagon, joined him with no explanation for his vote, and no reason for unvoting Lucresia. I found Romanus's vote a little strange, and Trendall's downright baffling. I'd really like to hear his explanation for that vote. Then EA jumps on, simply explaining his vote by quoting passages from ICENinja that don't seem particularly suspicious to me. Then Valern started posting random pictures to justify his vote on ICENinja. I can't decide who on this bandwagon I find most suspicious. Everyone's behavior has been so strange that I don't even know where to start.

Unvote: Lucresia

I'm still not sure about Lucresia, but I really don't want to lynch her yet. I want to get a better read on everyone on the ICENinja bandwagon before we end the day.

Way cautious.

Short list:
Romanus - Leaning towards being town

lynchking - leaning towards scum

ICEninja - hard to get a read on him but even with all the ups and downs of tells I think he's most likely town.

Trendall - pretty confident he's town

Erratus Apathos - not sure...can't get a read on him

RangeroftheNorth - Leaning towards being town

Peabody - Leaning towards being town

Valern - Pretty confident he is scum

DeathRowKitty - pretty confident he's town

Pine - Pretty confident he is scum

AMP - not enough posts for me to get a read on him

Didn't read the long list, but this is just lolzy. Probably a difference in reviewing this all at once and making a list in the heat of the moment, but man, things like the bold are just terrible.

@Rangerofthenorth

- Maybe you missed my question:

There's really not much to explain.

I initially read the post wrong, and it seemed scummy. Then I read it again

, realized a second, more reasonable interpretation. Asking the question was probably unnecessary, but I asked it impulsively.

A question to Ranger:
Did you reread Erratus' post after you posted #44 or before you posted?

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I'm getting a general town read from ICEninja at this point and do not support this bandwagon.

I do support a Pine wagon. I've noticed a pattern of sheeping and bandwagoning with a splash of inconsistency.

Sheeping

: His vote on me was based off of Erratus' accusation that I was nervous scum.

Bandwagoning

: Although he never ended up voting for the Lucresia wagon, he 'liked' it. That would be the second instance of bandwagoning (the first was on me). That's 100% of his voiced suspicion by the way.

Inconsistency

: His post 78 showed he was pretty convinced I was scum, but in his next post he unvotes, saying my case is stale and I haven't said anything incriminating?

I think this warrants a Pine vote.

vote Pine

oof

The posts immediately preceding 78 were mostly null reads, followed by a long silence from you. I thought I was clear with this:

Vote isn't being useful, case is stale, and Peabody hasn't said anything incriminating (or much of anything at all) in a while.

No one else seemed confused by it.

The "inconsistency" regarding Rangerofthenorth was suggested by Lucresia, but your case and hers are so similar I mixed that point up.

I am at least 95% sure that between {Peabody, Lucresia}, we have at least one scum

.

Will need to check if Pine is voting at this juncture.

End of Page 6: DarthYoshi joins the fray. Seems P Town.

Town - DRK, EA, Valern (stock falling), DarthYoshi
Not-so-town - Romanus, Pine, Peabody
Scum - Lucresia, ICE

[inHimshallibe]

And I'm done for now, will resume at Page 7 tonight.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, no reason to push ICE. Content level is high, will be hard to keep up if scum, and generally benefits town. DarthYoshi reading quite town.

Okay then

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Valern

As ICE points out, he has conveniently been on every major wagon thus far, and ICE seems to have got less scummy, but I still need to reread properly. I also don't like how Valern was voting for me for not offering enough content when I specifically said I wouldn't be able to post much. I'll do a reread tomorrow and let you know what I got.

Hm.

I'm still convinced that Peabody is the best shot we have at hitting scum with our lynch, but it isn't going to happen right now. I'll make a better case later.

I'm convinced by the Trendall cases. EA's 188 is the latest in a series of good points.

UNVOTE: Peabody
VOTE: Trendall

Not quite as "Hm." as Trendall, but still "Hm."

And then, lolz, Peabody.

Ok so I just previewed and realized you guys put Trendall at L-1. Can you guys let me finish my draft before lynching anything? Thanks.

No problem. Welcome to the game.
UNVOTE: Trendall

@Yoshi-I realize I still owe a full post. I had a rough day today, and it isn't ready. I did a read-through, though, and made my decision. I'll expound upon it tomorrow.

But yeah, Peabody's devoid-of-reasoning L-1 vote strikes me as scummy, too. Of course, I find just about everything he says to be scummy, so i may be suffering from tunnel vision.

We ought to be lynching one of {Pine, Peabody, Lucresia, Trendall} today.

Trendall's unvote of Lucresia is odd.

Where? I never voted for Lucresia.

Seems I'm not the only one who made this mistake. I'm surprised you weren't voting Lucresia, I suppose.

[inHimshallibe]

Ok.

Life List

inHim
ICE
EA
DRK
DarthYoshi
Valern

Death List

Lucresia
Pine
Peabody
Trendall
Ranger
crazypianist

Pine, Peabody, Trendall - overtly scummy behavior, from poor reasoning, to lapses in logic/explanation, to suspicious voting behavior
Lucresia, Ranger, crazypianist - you aren't impressing much upon me, so into death stew you go. I really can't remember much of any impact that these players have had on this game.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, inHim, how 'bouts a vote? Deadline is a-comin' round the bend.

Will more than likely vote Trendall today.

[inHimshallibe]

Will look at the voting records and go into more detail later, along with that vote.

[inHimshallibe]

Gone all weekend, only did some modding yesterday. I see a string of votes on me, that's unfortunate. Need to do some work, will address concerns in a bit.

[inHimshallibe]

Alright, so my apologies. I didn't expect to be gone for the entire weekend, else I would have voted. No way to prove it, so I'll just say that one got away from me.

Basically, my slot has done next to nothing besides my catch-up work. To those calling out my methods... go suck an egg, I guess. I've operated that way from the beginning of time, I think. Now that I'm in the middle of the action, I hope you'll see the way things run with me are Town.

OK, enough about me.

[inHimshallibe]

"OK, enough about me."

That was made to imply I was gonna start posting about others. Busy, you'll get fragments at a time. Don't go high and mighty.

Also, what defense can I give? I ask you to hold me accountable to post, is really it... if there really are other points you'd like me to address, you're going to need to let me know again.

Enough about me, let me address others in the game.

[inHimshallibe]

VOTE: inHimshallibe

I'm still fine with this lynch.

My theory regarding Pine:
Tried to set a wagon in motion on Peabody (due to incriminating tracker reports) by using EA's 'nervous scum' accusation. After a while he realised it was not going to get him anywhere and might end up putting him under suspicion for tunnelling. He started tunnelling again once Peabody made more scummy posts, hoping that he would be able to get Peabody lynched. Perhaps he replaced out because at that stage it was fairly obvious that Trendall would make today's lynch?

Ummm... What? Your theory is that Pine has found incriminating tracking evidence against me, yet you vote for someone else? Not only that but you vote for someone I voted for? This doesn't make sense to me...

What's the relevance of Quilford voting for someone you voted for? Not that I approve of inHim votes.

[inHimshallibe]

After this, he replaces, Mersaniel makes a single post, and then we get inhim. His posts actually have a decent amount of scumhunting, but they lack continuity which was a result of him catching up.

That's not scumhunting, that's worthless crap. I'm not talking about the catching-up, which I didn't even bother reading because for whatever reason, replacement catch-up posts

always

have a lower signal-to-noise ratio than Glenn Beck. I'm talking about the result inHim ends up at. He called half the living players scum. That's not an exaggeration, I mean literally half. Conveniently, pretty much everyone who was a plausible lynch candidate, save for Valern, showed up on the death list. Then he never filtered the list down to a usable number. Or attacked anyone on the list. Or did anything with it at all for that matter. He just made a preposterous scumlist and sat on his ass.

I'll call a spade a spade. If I see a GG, I'm really not going to hound them. So I found all the GGs I could at the time and separated them from the pack. I'd be floored if there were more than one scum in that 6. I was willing to lynch ANYONE on the death list, get rid of the chaff. It wasn't so much listing scum as much as it was listing who wasn't town. Your convenience argument is just bullshit rhetoric.

As for what came after my list, yes, I was a complete toad on a log. We've covered that ad nauseum.

[inHimshallibe]

Vote: inHimshallibe

He makes a crappy post, he gets a vote. Refusing to defend himself does not somehow make you seem less scummy.
This is L-1

Lol.

Let's be quick to jump to assumptions, amirite.

[inHimshallibe]

VT, hammer away.

Just never could get into the swing, will put up some last words.