Mini 1145 — Plain Mafia (over)

[Quilford]

I'm reading over the thread. Hope to get a post up sometime soon.

[Quilford]

I'm going through on everyone and will post my results in bite sized chunks for every player so that I don't lose everything (which has happened twice already during the composition of this post). Usually I start off with one relatively long ISO and the rest get shorter as I am able to reference my previous posts.

crazypianist

/

Romanus

:

• Votes Pine for defending walls.
  ¹
  
• Agrees with DRK's sentiment about timezone, etc. questions.
  
  
• Unvotes Pine then votes him again 'for jumping on that wagon with the greatest of ease.'
  ²
  
• Says Pine's last post was weak along with stating he's not 'feeling this Lucresia wagon.'
  ³
  
• Repeats that he doesn't like the Lucresia wagon, votes ICEninja for supporting the Lucresia wagon but keeping vote on EA.
  
  
• Explains why he hasn't posted, explains why he'd posted poorly, expresses his opinion on over-reaction and defensiveness, comments on ICE's aggressiveness, unvotes and says he will read through again to find scum.

  This is his last post

  before crazypianist takes over.
  ⁴
  
• Nothing of value.
  
  
• As above.
  
  
• Posts that the ICE wagon was the scummiest he'd ever seen. Talks about Romanus failing, then about Trendall sheeping, EA and Valern joining the wagon and why he feels the wagon doesn't hold any merit. Goes on to talk about Valern's voting patterns, Trendall and Peabody.
  ⁵
  
• Votes Peabody, doesn't offer an opinion.
  ⁶
  
• Nothing of value.
  
  
• Votes Trendall, saying that Peabody is being slightly more convincing now. Talks about how Trendall is being anti-town. Talks about one of Valern's posts. Asks why people are suspicious of him.
  ⁷

¹ Personally, I think walls are fine as they give people more information to work with. However, a fluffy wall will earn my vote any day.
² Pine does jump on the wagon extremely easily. He says he had a post typed up but didn't post it. This is clearly disguised sheeping.
³ Pine's post was merely a comment on Ranger's idiocy (which everyone picked up on) and a statement which only serves one purpose: to show he is not sheeping EA (even though he clearly did).
⁴ Post 5 comes off as an honest mistake, but I think it's interesting to note that he says that he'll read through again but never posts his results.
⁵ The only scummy person on the ICE wagon was Trendall, for the simple fact that he jumped on it without reading nor offering his opinion. Romanus explained his mistake, and EA provided persuasive reasoning. Other points here have been said before but are good nonetheless.
⁶ Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Ranger tells it like it is.
⁷ baaa? Doesn't talk about Ranger's accusations in the post directly before his, gives no evidence backing up anything in his post, including the reasons for his Peabody unvote, his reasons for Trendall's anti-town and why inhimshallibe's posts have been all over the place. (Predit: Valern gets it right.)

My read on crazypianist:

Leaning scum heavily.

My read on Romanus:

Leaning town.

which presents an interesting dilemma, but overall I think the slot is

leaning scum

.

[Quilford]

Pine now.

• Nothing of value.
  
• Ditto.
  
• Ditto.
  
• Votes Peabody, says that he had a post typed up but didn't post it.
  
  
• Keeps his vote on Peabody, states the Lucresia wagon 'looks good'. Makes a dumb response to a dumb post by Ranger.
  
• Responds to ICE's accusations that he's sheeping.
  
• Clarifies the above post.
  
• Continues to tussle with ICE about sheeping.
  
• Nothing of value.
  
• Defends his voting of Peabody.
  
  
• Nothing of value.
  
• Continues to argue with Peabody.
  
  
• Nothing of value.
  
• Unvotes Peabody, saying that the vote isn't being useful, his case is stale, and that Peabody hasn't said anything incriminating.
  
• Votes Peabody again after responding to his accusations of sheeping and bandwagoning. He points his FoS at Lucresia.
  
  
• Defends his case to Peabody.
  
  
• Attacks Peabody.
  
  
• Prod dodge. Nothing of value.
  
• Says he's still convinced Peabody is the best chance of scum, but says that the Trendall cases have won him over nonetheless. Promises to make a better case against Peabody later.
  
  
• Unvotes Trendall at crazy's request. Admits that he still hasn't made his 'better case against Peabody'. Points out that Peabody put Trendall at L-1 without reasoning. Admits that he might be suffering from tunnel vision.
  
  
• Puts Trendall back at L-1.
  
• Says a post on people who aren't Peabody or Trendall is forthcoming.
  
  
• Apologises for lack of aforementioned post.
  
  
• Says he'll clean up and post 'the post against Trendall and others' soon.
  Asserts that he's always been suspicious of Peabody, and that he's glad more people are voting Peabody. Unvotes Trendall and votes Peabody.
  
  
• Says the sudden Peabody wagon has 1-2 scum, asserts that he isn't one of them.
  
• FoSs Valern for 'coaching Peabody's response, and laying groundwork for his defense'.
  
  
• Clarifies above post.
  
• Denies that his statement about the Peabody wagon having scum on it was a 180. Clarifies his FoS on Valern again.
  
  
• Nothing of value, promises catch-up post.
  
  
• Nothing of value.
  
• Nothing of value.
  
• Asks to be replaced.
  
• Nothing of value.
  
• Nothing of value.

Whoa, boy. Pine's posts are one massive bunch of

Peabody-tunnelling

,

procrastination

and off-topic fluff. In my opinion, Pine's tunnelling of Peabody started after he was accused of sheeping after his 4th post (and I certainly do think he was sheeping). He then constantly tunnelled Peabody in an attempt to disprove this image. To be fair, Peabody has not really been particularly pro-town, but it's really, really hard to believe that he's scum. It just doesn't feel right.

But what really makes me think Pine is scum is his endless procrastination on the cases he was going to bring up. Sometimes he apologises, sometimes he gives reasons, sometimes he says nothing. At one point he seems to be confused as to who he's bringing cases against. Is it Peabody? Is it Trendall? Is it neither Peabody nor Trendall?

My read on Pine:

SCUMMITY SCUM SCUM

[Quilford]

After reading this thread over and over again, I still can't fully understand why we're lynching Trendall. Everyone, weigh in on Trendall now please.

[Quilford]

I advise you all to look at AMP's slot.

AMP

- theory, no scumhunting

Meransiel

- one post, lulz

inHimshallibe

- he has asked absolutely no questions of people whatsoever (apart from here, but he answers his own question). Mainly, he has been posting large quotes and giving one-sentence opinions on them. Doesn't sound like scumhunting to me.

[Quilford]

Everyone else I have town or leaning town reads on right now, and since we're close to deadline I want to focus on the people who have been consistently scummy.

VOTE: Pine
for reasons outlined already.

[Quilford]

inb4 "Trendall was a Vanilla Townie."

[Quilford]

I guess this close to the deadline is a bad time to be having second thoughts, but I looked back and I'm starting to see the logic behind Peabody-scum. -_- Fine sticking with Trendall for now though.

Quilford can join the list of town players.

...

Actually, you know what

Unvote: Trendall

Vote: Peabody

I've been hit by a massive wave of apathy recently and I'm just now starting to get back into all my games. I'll be looking to get something useful up before deadline, considering I've been fairly useless the past several RL days.

Considering that you've never even expressed that you think Peabody is scum before, I'd love to hear the reasoning behind your vote.

[Quilford]

EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS

Okay then

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Valern

As ICE points out, he has conveniently been on every major wagon thus far, and ICE seems to have got less scummy, but I still need to reread properly.

Trendall just went straight from having ICE as his biggest suspect, to saying "okay" to sheeping ICE. With no nervousness, no caution. It's really unusual for town to go from attacking a player to immediately following them, unless they're fairly certain they were wrong on that player. The second half of this sentence shows clearly that Trendall isn't certain at all. He's just hand-waving his suspicion on ICE away so it doesn't get in the way of his new target.

I now feel really good about either Trendall or Meransiel hanging.

UNVOTE: Meransiel
VOTE: Trendall

My god, how did I not see this. You see, scum do this because they know who is and who isn't town, so they have no reason to hesitate. Townies hesitate because they don't. I also love the total lack of reasoning behind ICE getting 'less scummy'. I'm still all for a Pine lynch, but this is pure gold.

VOTE: Trendall

[Quilford]

VOTE: Peabody

Pine's tunnelling is perhaps more understandable now. More later.

[Quilford]

VOTE: inHimshallibe

I'm still fine with this lynch.

My theory regarding Pine:
Tried to set a wagon in motion on Peabody (due to incriminating tracker reports) by using EA's 'nervous scum' accusation. After a while he realised it was not going to get him anywhere and might end up putting him under suspicion for tunnelling. He started tunnelling again once Peabody made more scummy posts, hoping that he would be able to get Peabody lynched. Perhaps he replaced out because at that stage it was fairly obvious that Trendall would make today's lynch?

[Quilford]

Quilford, could you explain this:

inb4 "Trendall was a Vanilla Townie."

If you thought that was going to be the mod's result, then why didn't you push harder against the Trendall wagon?

1. We were too close to deadline.
2. Nobody was going to run with a different lynch, as evidenced by EA's "Somebody hammer!"
3. That was posted before I saw a good reason for a Trendall lynch (which I noted when I voted).

[Quilford]

I'll respond to Peabody when I'm back on a suitable device.

[Quilford]

VOTE: inHimshallibe

I'm still fine with this lynch.

My theory regarding Pine:
Tried to set a wagon in motion on Peabody (due to incriminating tracker reports) by using EA's 'nervous scum' accusation. After a while he realised it was not going to get him anywhere and might end up putting him under suspicion for tunnelling. He started tunnelling again once Peabody made more scummy posts, hoping that he would be able to get Peabody lynched. Perhaps he replaced out because at that stage it was fairly obvious that Trendall would make today's lynch?

Ummm... What? Your theory is that Pine has found incriminating tracking evidence against me, yet you vote for someone else? Not only that but you vote for someone I voted for? This doesn't make sense to me...

I'm fine with either lynch. Both of you seem equally scummy.

[Quilford]

I will be

V/LA until the 19th starting tomorrow

.

[Quilford]

Quilford, you better post more than that before you leave.

What do you want me to post about?

[Quilford]

QUILFORD uses vote for lack of activity on INHIMSHALLIBE.

That was not at all the reason why I voted inHim. Did a 'baaa' just accidentally escape your lips? I think it did.

A little detective work says you've been almost three times as active in [REDACTED], which started about the same time you replaced in here. You seem to have no trouble coming up with something to say in [REDACTED], but you have to ask what you should post about here?

If you want my opinion on something, just ask. I have nothing to say at the moment.

[Quilford]

IGMEOY: crazypianist1116

[Quilford]

(And Quilford probably is scum bussing his buddy imo. I really don't have anything concrete on Quilford but there are a

lot

of things about him that really twinge my gut the wrong way.)

What's the point of posting stuff like this if you're not going to bother to back it up with evidence?

[Quilford]

I want to hear these last words. Bitches better not hammer.

[Quilford]

Peabody removed his vote on inhim, and since I respect his cautiousness I'm not going to hop on the inhim wagon at the moment despite all three of the players who've been in that slot being incredibly useless and anti-town and, as a result, most likely scum. But I'm definitely going to move there if his posting doesn't get a hell of a lot more useful soon.

Valern, you explicitly state that you don't want to hop on the inHim wagon unless his posting gets a hell of a lot more useful soon. He posted once between this post and your hammer, and it was stating that he would post again later. Explain.

[Quilford]

Um, what.

[Quilford]

And you know this how?

[Quilford]

ALSO GO POST IN THE OPEN GAME YOU ARE NEGLECTING RAH RAH

[Quilford]

Wait, so, Peabody? How do you know Peabody is scum?

[Quilford]

aww fenhl's viewing this forum

inb4 locked

[Quilford]

Reviewing EA's posts.

[Quilford]

In the interest of being as frustrating as possible while still saying something remotely useful, at least one (and probably exactly one) player that's been consistently pointing out I'm not posting is scum.

I want you to expand on this post please.

[Quilford]

After rereading the last couple of pages once again, I'm also going to
VOTE: crazypianist1116
for the reasons I presented here.

[Quilford]

I'm fine with massclaiming; how are we going to do it?

[Quilford]

VT here.

RotN is last.

[Quilford]

In his post regarding inHim's slot, he pointed out some things that are scummy that the slot did. He later, during day 2, states that he's "still fine" with inHim's lynch. He never at any point advocated the lynch of inHim before this. I'm getting a distancing vibe from it.

Isn't calling someone scummy advocating their lynch?

Yeah, Quilford's crazy vote wasn't so great.

Why?

He is lying right now in response to question number 2. Townies don't need to lie.

Vote Erratus Apathos

.

The shenanigans that went down here give me a scummy vibe from ICE.


ICE has voted exactly 4 times. That's the same as me, and I replaced in on, what, page 12? Seems like fencesitting. In addition, ICE hasn't been on either of the scum wagons, but has been on the Trendall VT wagon. Also seems very very fishy to me.

VOTE: ICEninja

[Quilford]

And I agree with Valern, this process needs to go quickly and anyone who delays it is probably scum.

I'm interested that you say this with only two people left. I think this is scum looking for an easy reason to point the finger.

[Quilford]

And I agree with Valern, this process needs to go quickly and anyone who delays it is probably scum.

I'm interested that you say this with only two people left. I think this is scum looking for an easy reason to point the finger.

That is, two people left to popcorn.

[Quilford]

Also

UNVOTE: ICEninja
so we can actually hear some defence without someone jumping in and hammering

[Quilford]

because I viewed his reaction to Erratus' emote at the end of one of the days (forget which one) as a towntell given that seemed to react to seeing it exactly the way I did, which was IIRC "oh shit, wtf, Erratus isn't scum, is he?" xD

haha

I was like 'oh, fuck, game isn't over is it?'

[Quilford]

I will respond to ICE's post. I just can't do it right now (timezones).

[Quilford]

ICE, why would I bus my scumbuddies in my first posts of the game?

[Quilford]

Give it a rest, Erratus. You're being very anti-town right now.

What was the point of saying this?

[Quilford]

Why

wasn't my vote on crazy very good

?

Underlined mine to put the quote in context. Your entire vote was "I vote for crazy based on reasining that I said

in my very first post of the game

. There are 2 things wrong with this. One, the information was outdated. Two, your conclusion of the slot in said post was

slightly leaning

scum. You can't just say "alright I'll lynch this player who is slightly leaning scum without contributing anything more to the discussion". It was a weak bus.

He was the only person left who I had a scummy read on. The others were dead.

[Quilford]

Also, how was the information outdated?

[Quilford]

'Obviously Quilford doesn't have any real points on me.'
You're pathetic.
VOTE: ICEninja
Nobody pulls that scumtell anymore.
Ranger and Kitty, we're waiting on your thoughts.

[Quilford]

they've been posted

you haven't defended against them

or your defense is so wafer thin I can karate chop it with my tears

[Quilford]

hey, if it helps you narrow down the pool further, I'm fine with being lynched

also just watch ice place down his vote now that you've placed down yours

Ranger, I'm going to go have to read you in ISO.

[Quilford]

my case against peabody was effectively disproven

watch out VCA incoming

[Quilford]

Since you are probably going to be today's lynch, barring DRK suddenly thinking I'm town, this is obviously the correct move. You trying to make it look like a scummy action does not make it a scummy action. I'm pretty sure you're scum.

Vote Quilford

.

The ball is in your court, DRK.

I'm merely wondering why you didn't vote before RotN.

"barring DRK suddenly thinking I'm town"
Excuse me, but DRK doesn't have to vote for either me or you. She could vote for Valern, or RotN.

Anyway, no hammering before I post my VCA, please.

[Quilford]

Somehow this derailed into a bit of a VCA.

lynchking

(1) - Lucresia
Lucresia (1) - DRK

EA

(1) -

AMP

Peabody

(3) - RotN,

EA

,

Pine

Pine

(1) -

Romanus

Not voting:

lynchking

, ICEninja,

Trendall

,

Peabody

, Valern

lynchking

(1) - Lucresia
Lucresia (4) - DRK,

EA

, RotN, Valern

EA

(2) -

AMP

, ICEninja

Peabody

(1) -

Pine

Pine

(1) -

Romanus

Not voting:

lynchking

,

Trendall

,

Peabody

Lucresia (5) - DRK,

EA

, RotN, Valern,

lynchking

EA

(2) -

AMP

, ICEninja

Peabody

(1) -

Pine

Pine

(1) -

Romanus

Not voting:

Trendall

,

Peabody

, Lucresia

lynchking

(1) - ICEninja
ICEninja (4) -

Romanus

,

Trendall

,

EA

, Valern
Lucresia (1) -

lynchking

EA

(1) -

AMP

Valern (1) - DRK
Not voting:

Peabody

, Lucresia,

Pine

, RotN


ICEninja (4) -

Romanus

,

Trendall

,

EA

, Valern
Lucresia (1) -

lynchking

EA

(1) -

AMP

Valern (2) - DRK, ICEninja

Pine

(2) - Lucresia,

Peabody

Not voting:

Pine

, RotN


ICEninja (2) -

Trendall

, Valern

EA

(1) -

AMP

Valern (1) - ICEninja

Pine

(2) - Lucresia,

Peabody

Peabody

(1) -

Pine

AMP

(1) -

EA

Trendall

(3) - DRK,

DYoshi

, RotN
Not voting:

Romanus

ICEninja (1) -

Trendall

EA

(1) -

Meransiel

Valern (2) - ICEninja, DRK

Pine

(2) - Lucresia,

Peabody

Peabody

(1) -

Pine

Meransiel

(1) -

EA

Trendall

(3) -

DYoshi

, RotN, Valern
Not voting:

crazy

EA

(1) -

Meransiel

Valern (3) - ICEninja, DRK,

Trendall

Pine

(1) - Lucresia

Trendall

(6) -

DYoshi

, RotN, Valern,

EA

,

Peabody

,

Pine

Not voting:

crazy

EA

(1) -

inHim

Valern (3) - ICEninja, DRK,

Trendall

Pine

(1) - Lucresia

Trendall

(2) - Valern,

EA

Peabody

(4) -

DYoshi

,

crazy

, RotN,

Pine

Not voting:

Peabody

Valern (1) -

Trendall

Pine

(1) - Lucresia

Trendall

(3) - Valern,

EA

, DRK

Peabody

(4) -

DYoshi

,

crazy

, RotN,

Pine

Not voting:

Peabody

,

inHim

, ICEninja


Valern (1) -

Trendall

Pine

(1) - Quilford

Trendall

(6) - Valern,

EA

, DRK, ICEninja, RotN,

crazy

Peabody

(2) -

DYoshi

,

Pine

Not voting:

Peabody

,

inHim

Valern (1) -

Trendall

Trendall

(7) - Valern,

EA

, ICEninja, RotN,

crazy

, Quilford,

DYoshi

Peabody

(2) -

Pine

, DRK
Not voting:

Peabody

,

inHim

--END OF D1--

Peabody

(1) - RotN

inHim

(3) -

EA

,

Peabody

, Quilford
Not voting:

crazy

, ICEninja, DRK,

inHim

, Valern

inHim

(3) -

EA

,

Peabody

, Quilford

crazy

(1) - Valern
Not voting:

crazy

, ICEninja, DRK,

inHim

, RotN

inHim

(4) -

EA

, Quilford, RotN,

Peabody

Not voting:

crazy

, ICEninja, DRK,

inHim

, Valern

inHim

(5) -

EA

, Quilford, RotN,

Peabody

, Valern
Not voting: ICEninja, DRK,

inHim

--END OF D2--

crazy

(3) - RotN,

Peabody

, Quilford
Not voting:

crazy

, ICEninja, Valern, DRK

crazy

(4) - RotN,

Peabody

, Quilford,

crazy

Not voting: ICEninja, Valern, DRK


--END OF D3--



Okay, so: here it is. I'll probably draw upon it later, feel free to use it for evidence.

[Quilford]

DRK, thoughts WITHOUT HAMMERING? (I've got a big post in the works)

[Quilford]

ICE, why would I bus my scumbuddies in my first posts of the game?

What you did is you called your scum buddy "slightly leaning scum" (AKA FoS) and called town pine "SCUMMITY SCUM SCUM" or something like that, and voted him. This sure looks like the absolutely classic distancing attempt of "FoS scum buddy, vote townie".

you mean like this?

Crazy's defense of inHim makes me more suspicious of both inHim and Crazy, both of whom were already high on my scum list. I will give inHim another day to post, but if he doesn't post tomorrow (today? Wednesday, at any rate) I'm going to vote him anyway.

Expected response: "You didn't have Crazy and inHim high on your scum list."
My response: Excepting Pine, they were the only ones on my scum list. And Pine was dead.

NO THIS DOES NOT MEAN I AM ACCUSING ROTN
DON'T EVEN GO THERE

Oh no! Someone is lying in a way that's completely obvious and intentional about something barely game-related at all! He must be scum!

Sarcasm doesn't make my point invalid.

He answered my questions before without stupid responses before, very different then his recent answers.

What could have changed since then? His role, possibly.

Be useful and vote Lucresia.

You're telling me to vote someone whom you haven't even made a case against. Why should I vote him?

Is your vote on Erratus serious or a joke?

It is as serious a vote as I can think of making with the information we currently possess.

ICE later goes onto say that his vote on EA was all trying to get us out of RVS, but considering that AMP was already voting for EA and the fact that the bolded sentences don't really point to that conclusion, I think ICE was merely trying to bandwagon.
Expected response: "At that point, we still weren't out of RVS yet."
My response: Peabody had 3 votes on him ('NERVOUS SCUM", etc.) and Lucresia had already started to scumtell. We were certainly out of RVS.

You know what else changed? The game environment.

Perhaps. I don't see how it would have changed sufficiently to alter his answers so dramatically, however.

That being said, I see your reasons for voting Lucresia, and they're fairly sound for page 2.

Okay Columbo, what's my motive for lying then?

I don't know. Perhaps you'd want to be treated differently?

My ability to take that sort of shit seriously ran out. That's what changed.

Oh my. You've gotten grumpier since 1133.

Funny, I remember you being such a positive force for town fairly quickly there. I'm not seeing it here quite so much, save maybe in 43.

This, in particular, I agree with:

The accusation that DRK is hiding something is ridiculous. DRK puts up the first case of the game, that means he's hiding something? Poor deflection here.

One thing additionally that I noticed from Lucretia is this:

I answered the questions from ICE because although it isn't useful in my opinion, I have nothing to hide or harm by answering it.

I feel like this is more about trying to look town than anything else. Suspicious.

I'm considering joining the Lucretia wagon.

I'll need to see how she responds to it.

This entire post seems to be about easing out of the EA wagon and onto Lucresia: the bolded seems to serve as a tension-breaker; the italics as stuff she uses to back up her assertion that "I'm considering joining the Lucretia wagon." Honestly, she'd just provided and acknowledged more evidence regarding Lucresia than she did about EA.
Expected response: "I did say 'I'll need to see how she responds to it.'"
My response: There was only one vote on her at that time. There was no harm in you placing another.

That possibility had entered my thoughts. Notice that my vote is not on you. I'll have a look at your meta sometime to see how concerned you are with appearance as town.

Empty promise; there was never any meta analysis.
Expected response: "I forgot."
My response: "Not an excuse."



At the height of ICE's wagon:

If this isn't a scum fueled bandwagon, then I don't know what is.

There are exactly zero justified votes on me. I wonder which one is the most likely scum?

after hunting around in ICE's meta:
ICE as scum

This wagon on me is getting fishier by the moment.

Everyone needs to seriously consider why they're voting me.

ICE as town... doesn't really post these sort of comments.
This is scum trying to attack their bandwagon so nobody gets on.

While I like the fact that Ranger is voting Trendall, something about it bugs me. I don't know why, but for some reason I don't like the way he voted him. I'll do some closer reading of Ranger's play and what has been said about Ranger recently to try to figure out why this is bugging me.

Another empty promise.


I'm disconcerted that quite a lot of ICE's posts are lurker-tunnelling. Take a look at ICE's ISO: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=12670
#9, #10, #11, #17, #19, #20 (sorta), #26, #30 (sorta), #31 (sorta), #35, #37, #55 (sorta) and #57 all contain attacks on lurkers/flakers.


I'm also interested in that GreyICE was pushing Valern so hard, but pulls a flip and says that I am scum now. Take a look at the ISO linked above; you'll see that despite ICE saying she has more points against me, it certainly doesn't look like it.

[Quilford]

I'm leaning towards misguided townie

Of course you are. Strange, considering how much you bring up against him in your ISO.

[Quilford]

inHim

(3) -

EA

,

Peabody

, Quilford

crazy

(1) - Valern
Not voting:

crazy

, ICEninja, DRK,

inHim

, RotN

This points to Valern not being scum.

Both inHim and crazy flipped goon, so I see no real reason why Valern would feel the need to start up a different wagon on crazy.

If crazy had flipped roleblocker now that would be a different matter.

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also I'd be mighty interested to hear why everyone considers ICE townie

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So, Ice, what's your case on me?

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btw if I am hammered without warning

be sure to consider all possibilities tomorrow, and to not place a vote until you are sure it's on scum

[Quilford]

I'll address all these later today; no hammering, please.

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So, Ice, what's your case on me?

My biggest reason for voting you is your voting patterns. They're strongly aligned with what a scum power role would do to bus doomed goon mates.¹

I'm extremely confident DRK is town, and have had a solid town read on Ranger for a majority of the game, so I'm about 95% confident that the remaining scum is between yourself and Valern, and the voting patterns just make more sense for you to be scum.

I've mentioned a lot about the specifics of it in my past several posts, so there really is no reason for me to repeat myself.

Additional reasons would be some of the things I mentioned in post 406. Your play shortly after replacing in was somewhat scummy. Also, your presence during day 3 was nonexistent.² Finally, your recent poor reasons for voting me along with throwing dirt on me that says nothing about my alignment³ doesn't really track with your town meta. From a quick read of some of your town games, you're a decently solid player and pro-town presence. Better than you have been this game, anyway, which could indicate a different alignment.⁴

¹ give me some examples of games you've seen in which these patterns are evident; also voting patterns should point to valern-scum as you so nicely pointed out some time back
² how does this mean I'm scum
³ where have I 'thrown dirt on you'? specific examples please
⁴ lawl, cautious language. If you think my meta "could" point to me being a different alignment, you shouldn't be voting me based on that

continues until Erratus points out something mildly damning

you clearly haven't been reading the game; Erratus did not point out anything to me

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feel free to hammer me

for confirmed ICEscum

[Quilford]

I sure fucking hope that wasn't mylo, because I'm town.

There's no way Valern is scum. It's ICE or RotN.

[Quilford]

good luck tomorrow town

although I'm pretty sure scum will win this

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Is it too much to ask for a proper LYLO?