Mini 1122: Mafia.Exe Game Over

[TheButtonmen]

Also fixed.

[TheButtonmen]

Moved to your next [Redacted] post...please try to not make this mistake anymore, as it makes ISO very difficult.

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry guys, I just don't see a reason to lynch Xine.

Who do you want lynched and why? Answer this with out quoting anyone, insult the question or otherwise trying to deflect the question.

Post # 270 just about sums it up. Basically, at least.

....

No it really doesn't and it was made ten pages ago / a week ago, absolutely nothing has happened that you find relevant since then?

[TheButtonmen]

Neruz's freakout is bad town play as it moves the game away from how people are positioning themselves and puts the emphasis on who is being ruder to the other person. I call bad town play "anti-town" and I'm sorry if I am misusing that term. So Neruz's statement, hyperbole or serious, is still bad town play, but I forgive him for it (for now) because bgg was certainly provoking him.

1. Quote the posts you consider certain provoking and explain the differences in what I did and that Bgg did.
2. Why do you excuse him?

The last half of this day is just completely depressing. We've gotten literally nowhere the last 10 pages at a very minimum.

Guess why? I wonder which player keeps throwing shitfits and insulting other players / cases rather then actually responding / scumhunting.... Oh right the player who you won't vote.

Got a few other lurkers too, it seems like awhile since we last heard from TBM

...Uh-huh that special kind of lurking where I post at least every 48?

EBWOP: I'd also like to clarify something. I don't like arguing. But when someone tells me that I'm retarded, I most definitely will take total offense to it and rage. This is a game, and low insults like that are pitiful.

What the crap is this, you were perfectly okay with it when Neruz was throwing his fits, this a crappy oppertunistic reasoning to hop on the BGG wagon. Major scum points for this cognative dissonce between this stance and you using Neruz rage as an example of town frustration.

Can you rehash the case on her? I'm pretty much seeing a giant mass of null with an occasional hint of town or scum thrown in.

Her vote on Neruz is a good starting point. Especially her posting rate after it, but like I said before, the reasoning and placement are the big parts.

Is that all?

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry for the delay post within four hours or your money back.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright, caught up.

Here's inital things that stood out to me, my reads, some further questions and my response to questions asked of me will come tommorrow morning when I've had a chance to stew on this and sleep.

And yes, I was trying to appear newbish on the outside.

vs.

Krazy, the reason for the switch between clever me and newbie me was that in the beginning I was playing more casually.

And it's not like I deliberately played badly or anything.

vs.

Also, by appearing to be a bad player, assuming the mafia Nks the smartest one, I'd be pushing somebody stupider to die in my place.

Don't listen to him, I am a jester, don't vote for me.

vs.

I didn't want to die.

I am the confused but still have a mild town read on you. Please stop trying to be funny, make jokes or whatever.

@DRK:

Your a hero.

I think Xine is more likely to be town than bgg. I suppose I'll marshall my reasons for thinking bgg is scum tonight, but essentially:
Early unannounced unexplained L-2 vote.
Early unprompted VT claim.
WIFOM assault which was intentional.
WIFOM bombing some more.
Weird attitudes toward many players.

You never did make the follow up post.

Where did I even accuse him of being a scum candidate? I said his play is lousy and I gave him a HoS because of that; I'd rather vote someone whom I feel is scum, not a VI.

I'm sorry, I thought your HoS stood for "Hand of

Suspicion

." You must have been using the less common "Horrible, but nOt Scummy." My bad. Seriously.

See, here I thought HoS meant "Okay I want to vote for you and have sufficient enough a reason to do so but since I cannot vote for two people, have my hand in your face, written on it "you're next."

What the fuu....

Alright so what are these sufficent reasons that you want him lynched but don't make him a scum candidate?

I also think that we should get to a lynch soonish (tomorrow or the day after), regardless of proximity to a deadline.

You posted this on the 28th, you haven't made a game post since, did the change in leading wagons make you change your mind about this or am I missing something?

[TheButtonmen]

Vote: Mute

I'll leave this here and follow up on it in the morning.

[TheButtonmen]

In honor of DRK's Good Posting allow me to make somethings clear;

PEOPLE I'M WILLING TO KILL TODAY: NERUZ, MUTE, KRAZY AND XINE.
PEOPLE WHO NEED TO TALK AT AND/OR WITH ME MORE: MY MILKED EEK, LLMARBLE, HIKARI AND NATHANAL.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright first off as I finish my catch up stuff;

What the hell Bgg, I honestly was convinced you were a noob with a good PR given how you were playing but this recent bit has me utterly baffled.

Where are you going with this and make it a damned good explanation, don't joke around, deflect or start insulting people or your not only back on my list of people I'm willing to lynch today but making a good run for the top of it.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright reports are boring, lets do this.

I thought I saw somebody acting like a cop. I'm most likely wrong, but that could mean either scum pretending, or an actual cop, who I don't want to lynch.

Your only other game on this site no zero town PR's in it, at the start of this game you said this;

Does this mafia even have roles other than regular townies and mafia members?

So I'm calling bullshit on your suspecting cop meta because quite frankly nothing of what you've previously said indicates

any

prior experience with cops here, let alone enough that you have a solid meta understanding of what cop play looks like.

[TheButtonmen]

Ninja'ed by DRK I see.

[TheButtonmen]

So, Redacted. You'd like to talk? What about?

I asked you about Xine and you said you would get back to me later.

TBM: I've wanted Bgg dead for awhile. That was more towards DRK's comment.

There's probably more that I've said about Xine but I'm on my iPod, so that's all I'll post for now.

Still interested in your case agianst her.

@GreyICE:

Could you please carefully spell out what you mean by that story as ambiguity doesn't help us at all.

[TheButtonmen]

@Nath:

Stop coasting, your last post you said;

right now I am still trying to find out who the scum is, and I am not yet in the phase where I try to convince people that someone is scummy. While I do have (founded) suspicions, I want to make further inquiries.

It's page thirty with the end of the day rapidly approching, so this won't hack it, who do you think is scum and why should I vote them, none of this I need more time stuff, the deadline should have already long passed.

[TheButtonmen]

@TheButtonman: No.

Unvote; Vote: GreyICE

Not joking, I will happily lynch you if you don't explain.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright sorry for the delay, catching up now.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright we have a cop claim a guilty and then the person with the guilty on them claims doc who was roleblocked.

Why the hell are people voting for the cop?

Case 1: Krazy is telling the truth.
1. We lynch scumGreyIce.
2. Scum need to deal with copKrazy

Case 2: Krazy is gambiting.
1. We lynch townGreyIce.
2. Tommorrow we lynch scumKrazy.

Worst case scenario we trade one for one.

I don't see how any cop in their right mind would investigate PGOdoc. I find mafia risking a roleblock on a claimed possible PGO weird too. Unless RBing a PGO does not result in death (because of the RB), in which case it would make perfect sense. I still find Grey infinitely more likely to be town than Krazy regardless. I don't know what motivated the copclaim out of the gate D2 though. Maybe setting up bussing or something. Neruz's last is weird too. Who votes for somebody and then says "if he flips scum, go ahead and lynch me!" Anyway,

CONFIRM VOTE: KRAZY

This is half shitty and half scummy;

A) How would copKrazy know that GreyICE was a PGODoc??
B) GreyICE never claimed PGO.
C) Normal site meta is roleblocking a PGO results in a dead roleblocker
D) Reverse that logic;

I don't know what motivated the copclaim out of the gate D2 though.

What motivates scum to go for a one for one out of the gate D2?
E) Neruz is scum taking advantage of this to get Krazy lynched which frees up their NK.

It has not been my experience that town cops typically out themselves after their very first guilty inspection unless a doctor

Bullshit.

Link your experience.

Uh, in case you haven't noticed, there's almost no chance of you not being lynched today unless somebody counterclaims Grey.
If you were town, you would want the counterclaim to prevent your mislynch.
Since you're scum, you realize there won't be one and are trying to make excuses for why the real doctor wouldn't CC.

Or there simply isn't a doc, unsupported setup speculation is a waste of time.

[TheButtonmen]

Then if I'm still alive, lynch me the day before LyLo.

We lynch you today, if for some reason Krazy is gambiting scum then rejoice because you've managed to scare the scumteam enough that they are willing to trade a scum to get you killed during the day rather then waiting until nightfall.

[TheButtonmen]

Quote the post where you claimed PGO.

[TheButtonmen]

Nobody is mod confirmed anything except for DRK.

More to come when I can finish my re-read and do some meta work.

[TheButtonmen]

You know Krazy, if you'd just stopped talking and gone into hard lurker mode, you'd look

less

scummy than you do now.

This is going to be great for us after this lynch, because we'll probably be able to find your scumbuddies fairly easily by looking for the players who desperately attempted to distance themselves from your sinking ship, which is also on fire and being invaded by aliens.

Which is probably the cue for TheButtonman to post...

A) I'm about the only player who's calling his wagon retarded.
B) Not done re-read / meta work yet.

[TheButtonmen]

I'd appreciate it, we aren't in a rush.

[TheButtonmen]

@Marble: Do you want to wait for TheButtonman to post something?

Everyone's welcome to post stuff and I don't demand a quicklynch or anything like that, but I personally feel ready to go ahead with the next day so I probably won't do much thorough reading until D3.

Stop being lazy.

Unvote; Vote: GreyIce.

I'm calling bullshit.

Scum gambiting a cop claim to get you lynched would make sense if your PGO claim was true as they would have to trade one for one to kill you and by gambiting they get a mislynch and a one for one. However for your story to work they need to have roleblocked you, thus disproving your PGO status, there is absolutely no reason for them to initiate a one for one.

Now let's say Krazy is absolutely pants on head retarded and is gambiting scum like you say he is, why are you so adamant that you don't get lynched? If your town your lynch hands us scum, one for one is always an amazing trade. Your desperation to live is scummy as hell, your story is a hell of a lot more complex then Krazys, there is no reason for scum to one for one and worst case scenario with your lynch we have a confirmed scum tomorrow.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP: Unvote; Vote: GreyICE

[TheButtonmen]

however, i can see krazy as a scum sacrifice to take down one of the better players in the game.

Scum doesn't need to sacrifice players, they can just NK.

[Scum gambiting a cop claim to get you lynched would make sense if your PGO claim was true as they would have to trade one for one to kill you and by gambiting they get a mislynch and a one for one. However for your story to work they need to have roleblocked you, thus disproving your PGO status, there is absolutely no reason for them to initiate a one for one.

I've read this paragraph four times now and it still doesn't make any sense.

Krazy claims a guilty on GreyIce.
GreyIce is claiming that Krazy is gambiting scum.

That makes zero sense, why would scum voluntarly trade one for one. Back when GreyIce setup his possible PGO claim it would have made sense as scum already loses a member by killing him so they may as well get a mislynch out of it as well but for GreyIce's story to work scum needs to have roleblocked him thus scum would know he wasn't a PGO so they could just NK him.

[TheButtonmen]

BTW Mute voting me while thinking Krazy is fakeclaiming makes NO townsense.

Eh, convinced right here.

Vote: Krazy

What does the quote have to do with the vote?

[TheButtonmen]

BTW Mute voting me while thinking Krazy is fakeclaiming makes NO townsense.

Eh, convinced right here.

Vote: Krazy

What does the quote have to do with the vote?

:cough:

[TheButtonmen]

@People voting Krazy:

Explain to me why scum would bother to trade a member of the scum team in a gambit just to implicate GreyICE? If they were that afraid of him they could just shoot him. Are we to assume the scum are pants on head retarded because nobody has yet to give an explanation other then that?

TBM

: I dislike why he asked ME why I was fighting my lynch as a town power role when they could lynch Krazy tomorrow, and didn't ask Krazy the same thing. His idea that the scum were trading 1:1 is also a tad silly (they're trading 3:1 if they get me lynched, as they get two NKs, and trading 8:3 for 5:2 isn't bad. Especially if you're trading a weaker teammate).

Alright I'll bite and let you explain your flailing logic if what your saying is 100% true then the following happens;

scumKrazy fakes a guilty on you we lynch you. (1 mislynch)
We then laugh at how dumb the scum are then lynch Krazy tommorrow (1 correct lynch)

Explain to me how they get a 3 for 1 by gambiting here?

BTW Mute voting me while thinking Krazy is fakeclaiming makes NO townsense.

Eh, convinced right here.

Vote: Krazy

What does the quote have to do with the vote?

:cough:

Hikari would you answer the damn question already?

[TheButtonmen]

Could people stop answering questions for Hikari?

Thanks.

[TheButtonmen]

Instead they could try answering the question I asked them.

@People voting Krazy:

Explain to me why scum would bother to trade a member of the scum team in a gambit just to implicate GreyICE? If they were that afraid of him they could just shoot him. Are we to assume the scum are pants on head retarded because nobody has yet to give an explanation other then that?

[TheButtonmen]

"Explain to me how they get a 3 for 1 by gambiting here?"
Nightkills.

A) Don't answer questions for other people.
B) No, the scum gets to NK anyways if they gambit or not; Gambiting trades one mislynch for one scumlynch.
C) Answer the goddamn question directed at you rather then the one directed at GreyICE.

[TheButtonmen]

But lets try and make a determination. Since you completed the reread of the entire game, whose Krazy's most likely partners, if he's scum?

It's too early for me to call entire scumteams as I don't have enough connections to work with but the teams that include Krazy I can see at the moment are;

Neruz:Xine
Nath:MME
You:Mute

People who individually make good partners for Krazy are;

Xine, Nath, MME and you.

[TheButtonmen]

Actually, I'm ready now.
VOTE: Krazy

:headdesk:

Mind explaining what you say that make you pull your sudden 180?

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry I missed the game re-opening (thought the mod had been killed in a tragic blowgun accident or something).

Post / Rage coming in about 12 hours when I get up / go to class.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright I'm home and at my real computer and post will be live in the next hour or two. I need to check for connections and see if the pants on mother fudging head retarded scum gave anything away.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright re: Krazy about the only connection I could really see was him including Hikari in his top scum reads but never questioning him or voting him. Day 1 he mainly addressed Llamarble in a fairly neutral way and DRK, while Day 2 was all related to cop claim.

Vote: MME

(FOR SERIOUS PEOPLE, IT'S DAY BLOODY THREE AND HE STILL HASN'T SAID ANYTHING. LETTING HIM COAST INTO END GAME IS A GODDAMN TERRIBLE IDEA)

Paupam's is obv. town, so you're automatically scum now.

Also, that case is plausibly the worst one I've ever seen. It's down-right horrible.

Terrible posting, stop being goddamn lazy and actually explain why it's so terrible and why Paupam is obv town because I'm sure as shit not seeing it.

Llama or Xine can die. Which ever gets the most votes wins my vote.

Oh look more lazy posting.

When you do finally bother scrawling a few sentences explaining something we get this;

... But that last Xine post was especially good. Her town reads and her scumreads make sense to me (I disagree but see where she's coming from on myself and TBM).

You would say that. She promised content but the only thing we got was VCAs. VCAs aren't hard, just time-consuming. Plus, they don't give Xine views, they give analysis views. Most people are going to agree with what Xine says in the VCA because VCAs are based on connecting logical observations.

That quote is from after you called Llama obv scum, so you can't bloody well use it to explain your read.

Why do you think Pappums is obvtown / Xine is obvscum?

Because it's pretty obvious. IMO. Do I need to make a wall on this?

YES YOU DO NEED TO EXPLAIN YOUR BLOODY READS!

He comes out voting popular/easy target Bgg.

Alright, fine. This wouldn't be bad except.

bgg1996 (Lynched): Pappums Rat,

Llamarble

,Krazy, Xine, Neruz, GreyICE, Hiraki

So, is it just me, or does Llama imply that he never really thought that Bgg was scum? Hmmzorz.

No it does nothing of the sort, BGG was the popular/east wagon period, that's a statment of fact.

Next day he jumps to the popular / easy target Xine (a vote I don't think he's explained).

Nor did GreyICE. Go try and get an easy lynch on him next, kk?

Again that has nothing to do with what Llama is saying and way to try to bring GreyICE a player commonly accepted as town into this to add credibility.

Then sees everyone voting Krazy and says he will too.

We see a repeat of what we saw with the D1 vote count.

Krazy (6):

Llamarble

, GreyICE, Neruz, Hiraki, Pappums Rat, Xine

The only thing that this shows is that Llamarble voted first. Perhaps he had bussing in mind, perhaps he had pressure in mind more. I need to do some more investigating for that.

WAY TO COMPLETELY NOT ADDRESS WHAT HE SAID AND JUST MAKE A RANDOM ATTACK. AND BULLSHIT YOUR GOING TO DO SOME INVESTIGATING, THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME GODDAMN SENSIBLE AND ORGINAL POSTING.

Some of Xine's posts feel honest and she seems to be scumhunting. She also came out strong early and helped get content moving, even if part of that was her being in trouble. And Greedling sitting his vote on her would be slightly less likely if she's scum too.

First sentence is opinion. Second is also opinion. Third is also opinion. Yuck, this case already sucks.

Alright, this case is crap, I don't need to do this. If you honestly think it's good, I'm going to label you in your own special fucking section.

Wow, so because Llama's townread on Xine is based on his

opinions

you're not going to explain why it's bad.....

Instead you're just going to attack anyone expecting you to explain your reads.

Awesome.

Oh wait what's this? You actually explain why the case is bad?

"Llamarble, hey... sweet! also, I (obv) am open to changing my mind, but so far nothing has inspired that. "
Seems like an honest response.

Is this a joke? How the fuck do you get honest out of that? No, like seriously, I just probably got a mood swing but this is piss poor. You didn't have a case, and you and scumbuddy Xine need to die.

Yeah... Good explanation.

Vote: Hikari

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

The caplocked section @MME was orginally this;

I'm posting when I get home in two hours. Patience my friend.

EVERY TIME YOUR PRODDED WE GET A USELESS POST LIKE THIS, YOU THEN GO BACK TO LURKING. YOU WENT AN ENTIRE DAY WITH A COP CLAIM WITHOUT COMMENTING OR VOTING. DIIIIIIIIIIIIIE.

Vote: MME

(FOR SERIOUS PEOPLE, IT'S DAY BLOODY THREE AND HE STILL HASN'T SAID ANYTHING. LETTING HIM COAST INTO END GAME IS A GODDAMN TERRIBLE IDEA)

I still stand by its sentiments but as I was re-reading the Hikari stuff jumped out enough I want to run with it for now rather then attacking a lurker (though I still want MME lynched before end game).

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP2: @Mod

Could you inset a [/quote] after YES YOU DO NEED TO EXPLAIN YOUR BLOODY READS! please.

[TheButtonmen]

Btw, TBM. I'm going to acknowledge that post, but then laugh at it.

Why do I need to prove someone town, if you can't prove them scum?

You ignore questions

how shocking

, every time your asked to explain / defend something you just insult the questioner, coast more scum.

TBM: Thoughts on Llamarble, Hiraki, and Mute.

I've been pretty clear on my feelings about Hikari, Mute is super town, Llamarble is whiffling but it feels like town changing their mind rather then scum trying to go with the flow due to its rate and his forwardness about it.

DAMN IT. IT'S OBVIOUS ONE NEEDS TO DIE. FFS. PICK ALREADY.

Pick one and push for it, stop just adding your votes to other peoples wagons then.

Claim: "Town" Hider

Hid behind: DRK on Night 1
Hid behind: Neruz on Night 2

Why change your claim now and why (assuming you're town) admit to being a hider?

[TheButtonmen]

You ignore questions how shocking, every time your asked to explain / defend something you just insult the questioner, coast more scum.

Your questions are clearly shit and will not change your mind at all from thinking that I'm scum, so there's no point for me to waste my time.

Coast more.

Ehhhh.

#1064 is giving me real doubts here. I'll wait for a claim. If you fuckers hammer before I get back, I'll kill all of you.

Oh look nobody hammered before you got back yet you still aren't actually saying anything.

You're dispicable Llama. You better hope to God that Xine flips town.

And you're useless.

Paupam/ConS is obv. town though, so no need to worry about that.

Still not going to explain why eh?

TBM has been over there hammering MME for not posting when Pappums posted oh, about as much

Pappums A) Actually played when he was here rather then just repeatedly prod dodging and B) Pappums unlike MME replaced out.

[TheButtonmen]

[quotte="TBM"]Oh look nobody hammered before you got back yet you still aren't actually saying anything.

At this point, you're criticizing me on every single little detail. I'm going to leave you as town, and ignore for just about...forever. kkthx![/quote]

What the piss is this?

Rather then answer my questions you're just going to call me town and hope I ignore you?

People how the crap is he not coasting scum?

[TheButtonmen]

Mod please fix the quote tag, his quotation of me has an extra t in the tag.

[TheButtonmen]

Between exams and this night lasting approximately seven months I've completely lost interest / track of this game, more posts to come probaly in about 36ish hours after I've had a chance to sit down and re-read / get back into the game.

[TheButtonmen]

Vanilla Townie.

Mute up next.

[TheButtonmen]

No more discussion until ConSpiracy responds to this.

[TheButtonmen]

Let's clear this up publicly to avoid any confusion

@Mod:

Would you be informed if your action was roleblocked?

[TheButtonmen]

Hey Llama you're at L-2, not L-1.

Can we just effing lynch this guy? =_=

He is indeed at L-1 both Hikari and CS jumped on the wagon.

[TheButtonmen]

Actual post coming within four hours.

[TheButtonmen]

Questions for Llamarble:

I have received word that I would have been informed if I was roleblocked, so my results have not been messed with.

(I checked and the RB is allowed to submit both actions)

Why not ask the mod these questions in thread like GreyICE did so that we could all see the mods answer and remove any doubt

Also could you explain the change in your logic that leads from you saying;

The roleblocker could have submitted both actions N2, if he got tracked targeting Grey he was boned anyway so why risk the other guy too?

To;

So Buttons is 50% as likely to be scum because he's not the RB, but if we flip the RB he loses his roleinformation-shield.

You explain quite reasonably why the tracker result on me really doesn't mean much (presuming the mod did actually confirm that the RB can both kill and block) but then try to somewhat clear me?

Thoughts on Llamarble:

His claim is reasonable and while his reasoning on targeting choices is off he was consistent in his attitude changed towards the people he says he targeted. As long does the same thing GreyICE did and asks the mod the questions about action resolution in thread so that we don't need to waste time having a back and forth about it I don't want to lynch him today.

More to come in about 10 mins.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

Sorry it was Nath who asked the questions about the RB / PGO interactions in thread not GreyICE I was misremembering there, that being said I still stand by my statement that simply asking publicly in thread agian will save us a lot of headaches.

[TheButtonmen]

@Conspiracy:

UNVOTE: Llamarble
I just read the most oppurtunistic post ever.
It makes me wonder, and actually makes me more sure of lynching Xtoxm instead of Llamarble.

Just to make sure were you referencing Naths post 1209?

This post seems scummy to me when rereading it with the knowledge that Neruz, Grey, and Krazy were doc, town, and scum goon respectively. I'd like to hear from you buttons with what you want to say, but I can't help but wonder why my gut sank when reading that.

What about it?

I stand 100% by what I said there, we just got lucky and are facing a powerfully dumb scum team.

Re: Hikari / CS:

I 100% believe their claim as it really fits with how Hikari especially was behaving.

More to come later tonight, need to go make dinner and re-read how Day 1 went down before I continue on.

[TheButtonmen]

TBM, I am not happy with your catch-up post. I want you to state your read on everybody.

Town:
CS / Hikari: Cleared by mason.

Pretty sure town:
Llama: As I previously explained I believe his claim.

Leaning Neutral:
Xtox: My previous suspicion from MME carried over to him and his play since replacing in hasn't changed any of it, HOWEVER his strong protest against the Llama wagon when the two masons moved onto it is a very strong town tell imo but with only a single town data point it's not enough for me to put him near the town category.

Neutral / Gut Tingling:
Nath: He's done nothing that gives me a strong town read but on the other hand has done nothing to give me a scum-read. This may be because he's been entering discussions kind of late and not initiating but I don't think he's that good of a lynch for today (Not enough ties between him and other players / No solid scumtells), but I'm not willing to clear him as he's mildly set off my gut a few times with his timing on entering conversations.

Neutral / Leaning Scum:
Mute: The leaning scum bit is somewhat new, his play today seems to be taking swings at every available target and never following up on them after the discussion moves on. Compared to his previous days plays this is pretty unnerving change.

At the moment Mute is the wagon I support the most but I'm not close to being ready to try to close out the day at the moment, I really need to sort out who I see as best partners for Mute and see more from Xtox.

[TheButtonmen]

First I can't understand how you can see Llama-town.
Second, you say "

his play today seems to be taking swings at every available target and never following up on them after the discussion moves on. Compared to his previous days plays this is pretty unnerving change.

" about Mute, but what you are describing is EXACTLY WHAT LLAMA IS DOING!

I believe Llama's claim, therefore while I'm finding a lot of his decision making questionable I still have a strong town read on him.

[TheButtonmen]

....You go 6 days without posting and you then post you're going on V/LA.

[TheButtonmen]

Also blah blah blah ongoing games but why declare V/LA here but not in Nintendo Mafia?

[TheButtonmen]

....Nath how did you go from wanting to hammer Lama to wanting to lynch Xtox.

Explain yourself without using the reasoning of he's lurking.

Nobody else answer the question for him.

[TheButtonmen]

'cause we have the time that I can afford to wait to hear his response to;

....Nath how did you go from wanting to hammer Lama to wanting to lynch Xtox.

Explain yourself without using the reasoning of he's lurking.

Nobody else answer the question for him.

Before making up my mind as I really really don't want the day to reach a conclusion before we get a chance to actually hear from Xtoxm as I don't want an unknown lurkering replacement for a lurker to lurk their way into lylo.

[TheButtonmen]

Seeing as our mod is MIA I present;

The Totally Unoffical Vote Count:

Nathanael (2): Xtoxm, Llamarble
Xtoxm (2): ConSpiracy, Nathanael
Llamarble (1): MuteMute (0):
Hiraki (0):
ConSpiracy (0):
TheButtonmen (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: TheButtonmen, Hiraki,

[TheButtonmen]

With Seven Alive It's Four to Lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

The issue with NL is they roleblock Llama, shoot a mason and we have no more information tommorrow then we do now and one less confirmed town.

[TheButtonmen]

Here is my problem, Xtox is a lurky replacement for a lurky slot who quite frankly I'm not comfortable entering Lylo with (+lynch points) but the little I did see of him included a strong town tell (-lynch points) so I really want to see more out of him (-lynch points atm) but deadline is coming up sooner then I thought and he's on indeterminate V/LA (+lynch points atm).

Bleh.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP: Sorry it turns out he isn't on indeterminate V/LA

V/LA until tuesday or wednesday.

He's just on V/LA until past deadline.

:Facepalm:

[TheButtonmen]

Huh, that was a hammer.

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There was a vote count like 10 posts ago and CS / Mute had a discussion about where peoples votes were going literally right above your post.

the masons like a Toxlynch, though they seem to think he's my buddy which means their judgement isn't really as useful to me.

VOTE: XTOXM

Hmn?

A thing that really made me think Buttons was town was the "SCUM WOULD NEVER BE THIS STUPID" sequence where he defends Krazy.
But maybe that stuff actually just happened without his involvement

Hmn?

[TheButtonmen]

If Conspiracy places a vote and there is no quickhammer within 48 hours or so, that player is confirmed scum.

....I'm sorry but did you just softclaim scum daytalk?

Multiscum members quickhammers are quite rare as it takes both scum placing vote before anyone notices / unvotes so I don't think I've seen any in games that I've played without daytalk for scum.

IMPORTANT NOTE: DO NOT AT ANY TIME DECLARE V/LA WITH A SPECFIC END DATE IN THREAD OR MENTION YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR THE NIGHT AND WILL BE BACK IN X HOURS.

I will assume your scum trying to arrange a time when both members of the scum team will be online.

I am fairly confident Nath is scum; the reasons are as they were yesterday.

If you were fairly confident Nath is scum why did you de-rail his wagon and suddenly drop a hammer on Xtox yesterday?

[TheButtonmen]

Mute / Llamarble:

You've made your feelings about each other clear, could you please can it until we hear from CS and more importantly Nath?

[TheButtonmen]

I don't think I've ever seen a post asking disagreeing players to shut up before when the fate of the game rests on figuring out which of the two is scum.

You guys are just repeating yourself over and over and filling up the thread.

A) CS is conf. town so I want to hear what he thinks.
B) I still aren't really comfortable with Nath and I don't want him to just be able to lurk through as even if he lynch 1 of Llamarble / Mute and hit scum today there is still tommorrow to think of.

[TheButtonmen]

I got called out unexpectedly tonight / Post by afternoon EST of sunday.

[TheButtonmen]

Alright sorry, I'm here post should go live in about 45 mind.

Sorry for the delay yesterday took an unexpected turn for the worse and I got tied up all evening.

[TheButtonmen]

Re: Nath

He placed a vote in lylo without even making the slightest of cases; the only reasoning he bothered to give was the following

There is just no way Mute would have voted his buddy like that in Lylo (unless it was a planned double bus, but in that case Llama would have kept his vote on Mute).
this tells me that

Button has to be scum FOR SURE

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Why would scum never vote their buddy in Lylo? How do you have such certainty (I mean you voted early on in lylo and are leaving your vote there) about how the scums plans for voting today are?

Also doesn't your logic also work for you and Mute perfectly?

[TheButtonmen]

After

I want every one (well, Llam already said it) who of the other pair is the second scum.

Nath / Mute is the pair that works best for me; even after Llamas wtf de-railing of the Nath wagon yesterday to hammer Xtox I still think he's town because his claim fits perfectly to his behaviour and the set-up wouldn't be balanced without it.

[TheButtonmen]

Whatever, just vote Buttons, I won't quickhammer, and we'll have proved I'm not scum with Nath. OK?

No.

But you supposedly think he's confirmed scum.
So why not?

Because, why should I listen to you again?

Because what I'm saying makes objective sense. If you believe somebody is confirmed scum, you should not be worried about voting them.

But I also see you as confirmed scum, so there's no reason not to keep my vote right where it is.

Well this way, if you lynch me and I flip scum you can get your buttons lynch tomorrow for sure.

You see Llama if he voted me then it would be to obvious that he and Nath are scum buddies when you didn't quickhammer me, so they are stuck at the moment as none of the townies are putting down any votes they can exploit.

[TheButtonmen]

Vote: Nath

I approve of this plan.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm confident of my town read for you.

Vote: Mute

[TheButtonmen]

And you didn't coordinate a time in the QT when you'd both be on?

Like '6PM tuesdays and thursdays, make some sort of brief post to show you're there and I'll vote?'

This was literally torturing the town.

We had no day chat and hadn't expected a cross-vote like that so nothing was planned, I didn't go for the quick hammer due to the risks involved as I felt we would win the long game for sure.

[TheButtonmen]

Meh not really. The "VLA until after deadline" was so bad.

Speaking of VLAs, Buttons, I autovote you on #2, #3 if I'm feeling nice next game with you.

Hey now.

Early game I got some people riled up so that they were bickering rather then being able to work as a team.
Mid game one of the scum team decided to play awfully and I was strongly active but in a manner that didn't advance the game.
Approching Lylo town was divided and I just lukred my way into end game.

I didn't just V/LA everything, there was an overarching plan!

[TheButtonmen]

The dead QT is solid gold.

[TheButtonmen]

And I mean buttons just has to say that. Because buttons has been wrong about everything. If he was actually right once, people might realize he's scum, but no, everything he says is the opposite of true, so he can't be scum!

As long as you are loud and confident people will think you're being honest

Even worse: all TBM has to say in his post is "lol, setup isn't balanced with a trackurrrr" and Llama is dead because we have a town full of players that don't understand balance! (minus xtox, who hasn't said much of anything)

I wanted Xtox dead not Llama.

Of course, scum decided not to have the roleblocker kill night 1, but that was a mistake.

We didn't think the RB could kill and block, that was news for us too.

"If Tox is indeed town you all are going to listen to the remaining mason. He will decide who is going to be lynched." -ConSpiracy

Oh god...please no >.<

And that's why Hikari got shot.

The town better fucking lynch buttons, or there will be rage.

Trololol.

TBM and Nathanael are so passive it hurts.

Town made is obvious that I could lurk on by.

But losing to buttons just feels painful.

Trololol Mrk. 2

THAT BEING SAID, I STOPPED LOOKING AT NATH AND TBM AFTER THEY STOPPED POSTING. TBM SCUM POSTS MORE THAN TBM TOWN.

Lies!