Mini 1175: Iowa Mafia (Game Over!)

[bgg1996]

Hiplop is actually not scum because with 2 buddies in a pregame QT he would have figured out the confirmation process.

It says how to confirm in the role pm. You're either buddying, or dragging attention away from your buddy.

vote: Greymarble

.

[bgg1996]

@bgg: Did you gain anything from mafia.exe?

I see what you're doing.


You're trying to establishing a connection between us by bringing in the distinction that I and both your parts were in a game together.
Anyway, not much, considering I only lasted the first day.


How did the mod know how Hiplop picked up if he didn't confirm?

It wasn't in my outbox anymore. -bvoigt

[bgg1996]

None of them address the current issues

What issues?

Forget Peaf, there almost isn't any content at all in kondi2424's posts.


Although I can sort of see your point, you shouldn't really expect people to have many opinions yet. They'll just harden, and everybody will get tunnel vision on whoever looked scummiest day one, which usually isn't scum.
Not much has happened yet. When it does, and people don't respond,

then

we start getting suspicious.

[bgg1996]

I do find it weird that bgg defended me when I honestly feel there's nothing much to defend me from. "Forget Peaf" is a really weird thing to say. bgg might be scum who doesn't care about some new guy, and is more threatened by someone else or something. Also, when he says "let's wait for something to happen" I feel like he's not looking for scum at all. Like, what kind of scumhunting is that - "when someone says they're scum I'll vote for them" is what I'm reading from that.

I'm not defending you. I'm attacking the argument against you.
It's just a bad case. I didn't say that we should just wait for something to happen, I only said that not much has happened yet, and it's expected that people don't have many opinions.


For you to think it scummy, either you need to think that the case against you was solid, or that I only have this opinion as scum.

[bgg1996]

but the fact that you suspect him before he even posts

You can't detect sarcasm? Noted.

[bgg1996]

Really? It can't be detected? At all? No matter what?! I had

noooo

idea.
I always thought that when you read text, the implied tone that the writer had intended to use magically flew into your heart with the power of

THOR!!!!!!

. [/sarcasm]

[bgg1996]

the 3 of you could be the 3 scum in the game.

Hello scumtell. Nobody knows how many scum there are, and it shouldn't be assumed, unless you are one.

Unvote
Vote: Peaf

"oh I was being sarcastic, you couldn't tell? ;_;" is a horrible defense and I'm ashamed that someone here used sarcasm as a defense for

anything

.

......
Even for when I was actually being sarcastic?
Sarcasm isn't a defense for being sarcastic?
That

toottally

isn't the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[bgg1996]

the 3 of you could be the 3 scum in the game.

Hello scumtell. Nobody knows how many scum there are, and it shouldn't be assumed, unless you are one.
Unvote
Vote: Peaf

No. No, no, no, no, no. This is not a scumtell and to suggest so is scummy. How many mini normals on this site have you seen with a different number of scum than three? Three is the norm here. It should be assumed when playing.

Fine.
But it still seems off to me, to say it with such conviction.

[bgg1996]

Someone earlier assumed there would be 3 scum.

Simply because somebody else assumed something doesn't mean that you should. Unless of course, you know that they're town, which you would only know if you're scum, scum. And although I didn't complain verbally, I did keep an eye on the one who posted that, and even voted them, for not necessarily related reasons.

I will not avatar until I find something I deem good enough, and voting me for that on

PAGE FUCKING FIVE

is honestly hilarious.

An avatar helps us to identify you. Refusing to get one can be a sign of stubborness and pretentiousness.

And no, can't say I care much for this quote system here. Live with it.

We did nothing to warrant such a response, or, nothing at all actually, since you posted that in the same post you started not using the post system. It's only going to get you lynched sooner. The colors make it easier to tell that it's a quote, instead of looking for quotation marks to tell, and the name at the top allows us to see who wrote it instead of looking through the past posts to find a match. The only good quality is that it doesn't take quite as much time to write. It's a sign of both sloth and milanthropy.

Don't see why it matters much,

It's not about you not getting your point across, it's about you making a scumslip. It's nothing so trivial as a grammatical or typographical error, it's small, but still tangible evidence that leads to the conclusion that you have a role that is oriented in favor of the mafia. Is that clear?

I'm thinking!

Stop thinking, and get your head in the game. You really haven't contributed anything.

[bgg1996]

bgg - is scumhunting to a degree, although his fixation on kondi is a bit off,

I've only ever mentioned him once, in a sarcastic remark about Peaf being accused of not contributing.

he accuses a few people of not contributing when most of his posts are either in a sarcasm war with peaf or

I've only ever accused one person of such a thing, Hiplop in my last post.

quoting something and going "yes I agree"

I have never done this.



Not only is it IIoA, the information isn't even true.
UNVOTE: Peaf
VOTE: Monk

[bgg1996]

did you read what else had transpired between this read on you and you attacking it?

Yes. And now I reread it, to be sure.

Is only looking at ISOs any kind of excuse for making up stuff that just never happened?
Does looking at the thread in whole and coming up with different responses cross out how you lied before?

[bgg1996]

Bgg:
Bgg (If Akira & monk are both town as I am beginning to think then Bgg is likely scum on the Monkwagon.)

I like how I have my own group.
I have to ask, what would Akira's alignment have to do with mine?
I don't recall having much interaction with him.

VOTE: hiplop

no clue who his buddy would be though.

I assume you mean buddies?
The only case in which buddy would be correct would be if you knew for certain that there were exactly two scum.

lol im not scum.

There isn't a lick of content in a single one of your posts.

[bgg1996]

so why aren't you voting me then if you think I've scumslipped?

VOTE: bgg

You really have to be desperate if you're voting me because I pointed out a grammatical error.
For that to be a scumslip on your part, not only would there have to be only two mafia, which has been pointed out as unlikely, but you would have to be one of them, 2/13. It's astronomically more likely that you just made an error.
Even if it was a decent slip, or I mistakenly thought so, that slip would be against Peaf's "the three mafia" justified by "somebody else did it, too!", and Monk's big list of reads that mostly weren't true, and changed in a few seconds.

Responding to it with a vote, though... that might be something.

[bgg1996]

so why aren't you voting me then if you think I've scumslipped?

VOTE: bgg

You really have to be desperate if you're voting me because I pointed out a grammatical error.

What was the point of that post then?

It was interesting, and I wanted to see his reaction.

[bgg1996]

yessir

so why aren't you voting me then if you think I've scumslipped?

VOTE: bgg

You really have to be desperate if you're voting me because I pointed out a grammatical error.

What was the point of that post then?

It was interesting, and I wanted to see his reaction.

I don't buy that

What do you think the reason was? There's no scum motivation for it.

[bgg1996]

What do you think the reason was? There's no scum motivation for it.

Active lurking.

Do you mean that would be the motivation, or that I am?

Bgg, can you explain why your vote is still on Monk ? What do you think of his claim. To me, I don't see any possibility of Monk getting lynched today so looks to me like you are just hiding away avoiding getting on any meaningful wagon.

Monk lied three times in the same sentence. The other mason(s?) haven't confirmed it. The claim seems suspicious because he can just get another scum on his team to confirm it. He's still one of my prime suspects.
None of the "meaningful wagon"s stand out as suspicious. I'd rather lynch somebody I suspect with a mason claim than somebody I don't suspect.

[bgg1996]

THE TOWNIES:
Peaf- I'm a snarky ass WHAT YOU AFRAID OF ME SON? Slight Towntell
SCUM
Peaf-Arguing with Fate hydra slightscumtell

?

[bgg1996]

I post info when i have info. Usually i can find stuff quickly, but this game im just not doing well. Plus the whole council thing kind of makes whatever points i make, not mean anything. Im opposed to it for that reason.

Love the excuses.

What info drove you to vote for Archaist?

He didn't post any info, so he must not have any.

[bgg1996]

The prod caught me in the middle of typing this.

I post info when i have info. Usually i can find stuff quickly, but this game im just not doing well. Plus the whole council thing kind of makes whatever points i make, not mean anything. Im opposed to it for that reason.

Just saw this in mikemike's last post, seems like a poor excuse for not being active and an even poorer one for not liking the council, which also stems back into his whole reasoning for not posting much. As well as just mindly sheeping onto Archaist who to me is a townie. VOTE: hiplop

Im posting lots. I just honestly have very little info atm. This game is difficult.

Posting lots without actually posting much is a sign of a scum player trying to look like they are contributing. Whats with all the sheeping anyway? - not sure why Arch is being wagoned I've not seen him as particularly scummy. Hip would probably be second pick at the moment. Still like an answer to the question of why the players (bgg, grey, akira, FD) who voted Monk didn't question his claim. Not going to let this slip easily as it must have looked a bit odd if nothing else but no-one called him out on it.

Actually Bgg looks the worst from this as he voted immediately after Monk's post. Which looks like he read Monk's post , quoted it but still didn't pick up or question the claim which makes me think

he's just taken what he wanted to see from the post

rather than reading it properly. OK I've promoted him, my scum rankings are currently:

1. Akira
2. Bgg
3. Hip
4. FD

Still like an answer to the question of why the players (bgg, grey, akira, FD) who voted Monk didn't question his claim.

Bgg, can you explain why your vote is still on Monk ? What do you think of his claim. To me, I don't see any possibility of Monk getting lynched today so looks to me like you are just hiding away avoiding getting on any meaningful wagon.

Monk lied three times in the same sentence. The other mason(s?) haven't confirmed it. The claim seems suspicious because he can just get another scum on his team to confirm it. He's still one of my prime suspects.
None of the "meaningful wagon"s stand out as suspicious. I'd rather lynch somebody I suspect with a mason claim than somebody I don't suspect.

What do you mean, didn't question his claim? The question is quite ambiguous. I've said that I don't believe him, I already know all of the general information about the role from the wiki, it's been said that it is best not to make the other claim, Any inconsistencies I can find out through the thread.

Actually Bgg looks the worst from this as he voted immediately after Monk's post. Which looks like he read Monk's post , quoted it

If you recall, I did not post immediately after the post I quoted, or, any of Monk's posts, actually. The post where I voted Monk was #190 at 3:24 PM, and quoted post #182 at 7:27 AM. That's an 8-hour, and 8-post difference.
Which looks like you read my post, mentioned it but still didn't pick up or question the time difference which makes me think

you've just taken what you wanted to see from the post

rather than reading it properly.
What is it about me that makes scum want to lie like this?

he read Monk's post , quoted it but still didn't pick up or question the claim

This implicates literally everybody here except for you. You're the only one who picked up the claim.

Don't want me to keep voting for Monk?
Okay, I'm game.
UNVOTE: Monk
VOTE: Mikemike778

[bgg1996]

Are you going to actually do something useful today?

Such as?

[bgg1996]

It's terrible because you moved from a wagon consisting of just yourself... to a wagon consisting of just yourself. It's like you're not even trying to get lynch done.

Not voting somebody because nobody else is voting for them is a bad reason not to vote for somebody.

[bgg1996]

Hi everyone.

I'mma read and then do some stuff, it'll be tight.

Deadline isn't for another week so don't you dare end the day on me.

A mafia is you.

[bgg1996]

Wow, 5 new pages.

Isn't it a pretty good idea for scum to fakeclaim mason with their scumbuddy and be safe for the rest of the game?
Just a thought, I'm inclined to believe the claim for now.

@bgg: Recalling this post:

Bgg, can you explain why your vote is still on Monk ? What do you think of his claim. To me, I don't see any possibility of Monk getting lynched today so looks to me like you are just hiding away avoiding getting on any meaningful wagon.

Monk lied three times in the same sentence. The other mason(s?) haven't confirmed it.

The claim seems suspicious because he can just get another scum on his team to confirm it. He's still one of my prime suspects.

None of the "meaningful wagon"s stand out as suspicious. I'd rather lynch somebody I suspect with a mason claim than somebody I don't suspect.

What are your thoughts now on the claim?

I hate to admit that I was wrong, on any scale, but thinking it over, claiming masons

seems

to be something too risky, even for scum. I'll let them live through today. If this is a mafia trick, then they've earned it for their risk.

Tomorrow or the day after, however, is a completely different story.

A mafia is you.

A message for you from my good friend Penn.

Oh, you're telling me to STFU? How original. [/sarcasm]

this is the part where we realise FD is really just fate

Fate's pretty easy to IMPERSONATE isn't he?

You'll never truly know the man behind the curtain.

Generally, what do you do when you two have differing reads?

Putting him at L1 without announcing it

soooooooooo we have waited long enough. If someone doesn't move over to Akira in 24 hours I'm putting Archaist at L-1.

Just when I thought I should reconsider, you do this again. Read the thread!

unvote

Alright. I will gladly lynch any of the following players.

akira
bgg
hiplop

vote: hiplop

Are there reasons you suspect them? Y'know, the kind that you can share with the rest of us?

[bgg1996]

Are there reasons you suspect them? Y'know, the kind that you can share with the rest of us?

Yes.

I would appreciate it if you would share them with us.

[bgg1996]

Share them with us.

[bgg1996]

Share them with us.

No.

Tell us why not, then.

[bgg1996]

Tell us why not, then.

I don't feel like it right now.

So you can tell me who you suspect, but not a word on

why

you suspect them?

[bgg1996]

If you are being held at gunpoint to be deliberately scummy, the code word is "investigatory".

[bgg1996]

So you can tell me who you suspect, but not a word on

why

you suspect them?

No no, I

can

tell you, I just don't

feel

like it.

As in you'll tell me later? Or you only meant that it was your choice?
You would tell me, but it's actually just a vibe you get from reading their posts, and you would have to read through the thread again to get actual facts, which you think is too much work?

I fixed your quote tags. -bvoigt

[bgg1996]

Okay, I'm here.
I was planning on posting yesterday night, but the website came up as class bbcode not recognized, or something.

Ok, I promise to catch up, and be much more active.

[bgg1996]

pursuing your win condition.

If he's scum, he's doing that quite well. Weird that you'd use an ambiguous term like that.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

his last game as scum in ISO

just died without a fight as scum

Just because he gave up in that game, didn't give up in the game as town, and didn't give up in this game, doesn't mean that he isn't scum.

There's no deliberate, conscious, scum motivation for that vote, no. But I know from my own experience that tasks like pressuring someone to put up an avatar jump out to the scum mentality because they are objective and productive looking.

I disagree. Scum are cautious, they don't do that kind of stuff, in my experience. It's risky and pointless. For town to do it, it's just a tad bit silly, I'll admit.

You're saying that scum don't do scummy things? But town do. So scumtells are all towntells. Yeeeeeeaaahh....
no.

Twistedspoon is scum.

I could unvote anytime from this wagon and vote Akira. But i'm not. So don't say this is forced

Here, Twistedspoon is responding to accusations that he was forced onto the hiplop wagon. He denies it (multiple times).

oh, and you should probably claim now hiplop

Hiplop goes to L-1. He asks for the claim.

and Hiplop has always been a suspect although his place in my suspect list has varied at times

Once again, TS reiterates that hiplop is a suspect. TS is seriously obsessed with making sure we know he has been suspecting hiplop. Why is this? It's because

Twistedspoon knows hiplop is flipping town.

And TS looks like he snuck ont he wagon near the end, it'll look scummy. Thus, he's broacasting loud and clear (over and over) how long he has suspected TS for, with the hopes that, by grounding himself as an early advocate of the wagon, he can dodge suspicion. Notice how he also carefully qualifies said suspicions while reinforcing them, with lines like "his place...has varied at times"

Unfortunately, I'm a VT.

Go after TS and mikemike, really all i can say

hiplop claims VT and offers some vapid accusation of hiplop. This is not stuff you unvote or retract suspicions based on. It's hammer material. How does TS respond?

^ I asked you to explain your suspicions of myself

we're not ending the day until hiplop justifies his baseless conjecture on mike and myself

The second post is most important. If TS thinks hiplop is scum, why does he care about hearing him justify his presumably bad reads? They'll fly out the window and have zero credibility the second he flips scum. The answer is because, once again,

Twistedspoon knows hiplop is flipping town.

He KNOWS those reads are going to have cred tomorrow, and so he wants them squashed today before hiplop is dead and gone.

^I find hiplop scummy

that is why I'm on the wagon

Post claim, TS still finds hiplop scummy.

hiplop asks why. TS gives a response that reaffirms hiplop's scumminess. Steam is dissapating from the wagon

...a few irrelevant posts happen (none of them from hiplop)...

but the hiplop reaction is surprisingly unlike scumlop when he gets lynched

but hiplop is still probtown now

This is the nail in the coffin.

Twistedspoon has done a complete 180 on his hiplop read without hiplop posting inbetween.

This is 100% scum behavior becuase it proves TS is simply making his reads up as he goes without having actual evidence to support them, which is something scum do because they have perfect information, and thus don't need evidence.

TS tries to justify himself, but all his justifications rely on hiplop's meta and claim. However, we know these cannot be TS's reasons, since he stated he still found hiplop scummy post-claim. TS is thinking these reasons up ex-post-facto to cover his mistake. It is not part of his natural thought process.

Unvote, Vote: Twistedspoon.

Don't forget that TwistedSpoon seemed pretty upset when he thought that Hiplop was lynched.

His Iso was full of fencesitting and 'finding scumtells' but never voting with them. His play has been inconsistent

Error: This never happened.

This lynch is going to happen at some point, with or without your help.

So then you have your buddies helping you?

[bgg1996]

I apologize if what I have posted seems useless, but I would rather post 100 useless facets along with a few good tells, than only talk when I see one.

[bgg1996]

How do you feel about Twistedspoon? Provide a quote to support your position.

How do you feel about Akira? Provide a quote to support your position.

Twistedspoon isn't mafia if Hiplop is town. He only has a lot against him because of his staggering number of posts.

you didn't did you?

I just said hiplop's reactions were v.townie

I SAID TO WAIT FOR ANARCHIST!!!

Although he did seem a bit switchy with his votes.




The only thing I have against Akira is how he seemed to just be rolefishing with Hiplop. That's worse than a lot of people here, but I think we can either wait for better evidence.

[bgg1996]

hiplop, claim.

For the record I never wanted to lynch hiplop, but I voted him to keep the heat on and see what happened at L-1.

The quotes you wanted.

[bgg1996]

WHOOPS. SO IF WE DON'T RESPOND, IT'S SCUMMY, BUT IF YOU DON'T RESPOND, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FUCKING FEEL LIKE IT?

He is saying that he did it to see what I would do.

Spoiler alert: He's going to get you lynched.





I believe that FD has been doing nothing protown, and somehow, whenever he suggests a wagon, two or three people jump along instantaneously, all unvoting as soon as they claim, the claims being Mason, Mason, and VT, and he's only been getting away with it because he's bats**t insane, which is not a tell.
UNVOTE: Mikemike
VOTE: Final Destination

[bgg1996]

@FD #679: He was certainly like that earlier on, but he has recently been posting more content. Why attack him for past behavior, and then do the same thing yourself?

Bullshit.

Here's how we feel about responding to anything you are saying:

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

I don't feel like it right now.

If that's content, then I'm an unlynchable bulletproof doublecop.

[bgg1996]

@FD #679: He was certainly like that earlier on, but he has recently been posting more content. Why attack him for past behavior, and then do the same thing yourself?

Bullshit.

snip

If that's content, then I'm an unlynchable bulletproof doublecop.

And yet you're on the wagon he's put forward, noted...

Huh?
Oooooohhh...
I thought that it was referring to FD.


P.S. He didn't put forward the wagon, Mikemike did.

[bgg1996]

With the deadline less than 24 hours away, and the only significant wagons being TwistedSpoon and Akira, not wanting to no lynch, I'm going to now vote Akira.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Akira

Reasoning:
Options are Akira, Twistedspoon, and No Lynch.
I don't want to No Lynch.
Twistedspoon seemed to be angry after he thought Hiplop was lynched. Iso# 93-97.
I don't think that that was an act.
Therefore, Twistedspoon is not scum while Hiplop is town.
Therefore, either Twistedspoon is town, or Hiplop is his scumpartner.
It is highly unlikely that Hiplop and Twistedspoon are both scum.
Akira has evidence against him.
Vote=Akira.




And FD can tell us why he believes Akira is town whenever he's ready.

[bgg1996]

O.o

[bgg1996]

1. Greymarble says he will not lynch Twistedspoon, but will lynch Mikemike.
2. In their next post after that, 3 people, Empking, Zachrulez, and Hiplop, in that order, one after another, who were voting Twistedspoon switch to Mikemike, with no explanation.
3. Greymarble switches to Mikemike in his next post.
4. FD, in his next post after 1, switches from TS to Mike.

Did I read that right?
I don't know about Empking, but I'm not hammering Mikemike.

[bgg1996]

How can you read a post, quote it, decide its scummy but miss the damn soft claim ?

Please don't make me change my mind about hammering you, if you're town.

This has also never happened. The softclaim is in post #188. I never once quoted that post.

[bgg1996]

That wagon, which was formed in about ten minutes, was a scum wagon?
Somebody explain to me how that worked.


As usual, I don't understand what FD's post is about.

[bgg1996]

WTF

About what?

[bgg1996]

Sooo...
Who now?

mikemike778 (7)- monk, Empking, Zachrulez, hiplop, Greymarble, Final Destination, earworm

Let's assume that not all of the scum bussed.
The following would then contain at least 1 scum:
Archaist
bgg1996
Akira
archaebob Peaf
Twistedspoon

Among these, Akira threatened to hammer, Archaist is a

CLAIMED

mason, and I know that I'm not scum.
The most suspicious are:
archaebob Peaf
Twistedspoon.

I didn't get a big scum read on either, but I don't trust my reads as far as I can throw them.
When in doubt, go for the one with less posts. VOTE: Archaebob

[bgg1996]

UNVOTE: Archaebob
Let's not give him the opportunity to stop us from getting information day 2 by self-lynching.

[bgg1996]

That wagon, which was formed in about ten minutes, was a scum wagon?
Somebody explain to me how that worked.


As usual, I don't understand what FD's post is about.

UNVOTE: Archaebob
Let's not give him the opportunity to stop us from getting information day 2 by self-lynching.

Wut...

Vote: bgg1996

How is this scummy?

[bgg1996]

i don't know, but I'm mighty confident in BGG being scum. Don't forget this

May I ask why?

[bgg1996]

One quick wagon is not like all others.
You may as well be saying "You question this wagon, and now you're on a wagon."

[bgg1996]

Besides, I don't get how we got scum in 5 minutes, but I'm not questioning that the people on it are town, mostly. Especially the early ones, Empking, Hiplop, and Zachrules.

[bgg1996]

I believe Archaebob's claim. If Bob isn't scum, I'm almost sure Twistedspoon is.
VOTE: Twistedspoon

[bgg1996]

One quick wagon is not like all others.
You may as well be saying "You question this wagon, and now you're on a wagon."

Explain what is different about the Bob wagon.

1. It's a different person. The only similarities between them is that they were quick.
2. Even if it was the exact same wagon, that would be a good thing. I'm not questioning that Mike was scum.

[bgg1996]

If I assume that at least 1 scum wasn't on the Mikemike wagon, or willing to hammer, then between:

archaebob

Peaf

Twistedspoon

is at least one scum. If archaebob is town, then Twistedspoon must be scum those assumptions.

[bgg1996]

Well his claim is complete shit and he DIDNT protect obvtown obvnotmislynch obv1stNK target GreyMarble.

huh?
How come the doctor should've protected Greymarble, when you say that the masons should've been killed in your first and second posts of day 2?

[bgg1996]

pretty problematic for a doctor and a commuter to exist together in a game of this size.

Why?

[bgg1996]

pretty problematic for a doctor and a commuter to exist together in a game of this size.

Why?

BECAUSE THEY DO THE SAME THING

No they don't.
Answering vaguely and ironically is not going to help me to understand this charge against him, which you should be doing if you want him lynched.

[bgg1996]

Akira killed Archaebob. Fact.

[bgg1996]

VOTE: Akira

[bgg1996]

Claim: Town Tracker.

Tracked Akira last night. Targetted Archaebob.

[bgg1996]

That's the day.

[bgg1996]

WOULD SCUM KILL BOB?????

Would scum kill somebody who they knew was a doctor?
Duh.

[bgg1996]

bgg do you actually still think I'm scum?

No. You're already dead, you have no reason to lie.

I'm just saying that it seemed like a logical lynch, albeit too quick.

[bgg1996]

FD would've definitely fought to have him lynched.

That's assuming FD isn't one of the mafia.

[bgg1996]

Logical is the last thing I'd call it.

Two kills > One scum, one town > There's a vig > Who would scum kill? Who would a vig kill?

That would have saved you from the mislynch.

I never assumed that there was a vig.
Tracked person targeted Archaebob > Archaebob is claimed doctor > Only scum kill claimed doctors > Tracked person is scum.

[bgg1996]

Also, why did Twistedspoon fakeclaim as town?

[bgg1996]

Where is Final Destination's claim?

[bgg1996]

the PM specifically said town masons

Seems like you're just sheeping the other roles to me.

[bgg1996]

I tracked FD and it said I did not see that he targeted anyone. In less words, but I don't want to quote it exactly.

[bgg1996]

Archaist
bgg1996
hiplop
Final Destination
earworm
monk

I'm not going to be in it.
The masons will only be one together.


Earworm/Final Destination
Earworm/Hiplop
Hiplop/Final Destination
Monk/Anarchist
Earworm
Final Destination

Assuming I'm not scum, these are the only possible scumteams.

[bgg1996]

Archaist
bgg1996
hiplop
Final Destination
earworm
monk

I'm not going to be in it.
The masons will only be one together.


Earworm/Final Destination
Earworm/Hiplop
Hiplop/Final Destination
Monk/Anarchist
Earworm
Final Destination
Hiplop

Assuming I'm not scum, these are the only possible scumteams.

[bgg1996]

VOTE: No lynch

[bgg1996]

I tracked FD again. I didn't see him target anybody.

[bgg1996]

Hiplop and Earworm are the scum.
It might be hard to convince everybody after an Earscum flip, so let's get Hiplop first.
VOTE: Hiplop

[bgg1996]

Why is that?

[bgg1996]

So?
You're scum.

[bgg1996]

no not at all. Think about it; How is such a strong player here in lylo

Because scum (you) can then use this WIFOM to lynch him.

[bgg1996]

What's idiotic about it?

[bgg1996]

It's the same thing I got on night 1.

[bgg1996]

3. Do not quote any private communication, whether it is a private message from me, or a Quicktopic with another player. Paraphrasing is fine.

[bgg1996]

I tracked FD and it said I did not see that he targeted anyone. In less words, but I don't want to quote it exactly.

[bgg1996]

Hiplop night 1 didn't see anything
Akira night 2 targeted Archaebob
Final Destination night 3 didn't see anything
Final Destination night 4 didn't see anything

[bgg1996]

FD + Earworm doesn't make much sense.
Also, I think that if I was roleblocked then it would have a different message.

[bgg1996]

Why did you track me again bgg?

Because you wouldn't be expecting it.
Be honest, if you were on the scumteam with one of them, who would you have send in the kill?

Why is it hard to convince people its hiplop if Earworm flips first?

Hiplop has been on Earworm for a while. I'm not sure if Archaist would be convinced.
I really am fine with lynching either. I just think that Hiplop is preferable.

[bgg1996]

Ok being honest:

I'd kill the fucking TRACKER so it didnt MATTER who sent in the kill.

See where I'm going with this?

I always have to pick on the assumption that I'm not the one being killed.

[bgg1996]

BGG, dont you find it weird that he hasn't mentioned earworm more than

3

59

times in all of his posts? I can't believe you dont see how much of a connection is between these two. Hes never said a bad thing about earworm, and is refusing to lynch him today. THAT SHOULD SET OFF SOME BELLS

Not including Fate+AlamasterGM posts.

[bgg1996]

Also, BGG why the fuck do you think earworm+fd doesnt make sense, but me +earworm does? you havent answered any questions and i doubt you're even reading my posts

For one thing, if Earworm and Final Destination were the two remaining scum, why didn't FD target anybody?

[bgg1996]

1. I doubt it. Earworm has been suspected as scum by both FD and Hiplop.
2. Such as? It couldn't be godfather since there aren't any cops. And even so, FD would still get to send in the kill.
3. No. Even if I didn't know that for a fact, it would only be useful for the doctor, since Masons don't target and the one-shot would get turned into a VT.


4. Final Destination is town.

[bgg1996]

BGG, dont you find it weird that he hasn't mentioned earworm more than 3 times in all of his posts? I can't believe you dont see how much of a connection is between these two. Hes never said a bad thing about earworm, and is refusing to lynch him today. THAT SHOULD SET OFF SOME BELLS

VOTE: Monk

Three votes on the first page. Pressure needs applied here.

I don't like this post.

Why do we need more pressure when there's already 3 votes from the first page?

earworm-I'm over here jsut chillin yo Towntell

Earworm-I have town reads because Im actually scumhunting Towntell

soooooooooo we have waited long enough. If someone doesn't move over to Akira in 24 hours I'm putting Archaist at L-1.

Nobody's moving. Vote now.

Earworm is an easy target, and tomorrow after he flips town? He'd be back on TwistedSpoon.

Earworm you claim.

Earworm looks bad as scum on the Archaist wagon
Two scum bussing here, Hiplop+Earworm team is looking more likely
One scum on (hiplop), one scum off (earworm)
Earworm and Hiplop help quicklynch the vig.

I believe I've been left alive because I've been calling hiplop town for a long time, as well as not pressuring Earworm.

That fail scum

is Earworm+Hiplop

lolscum hiplop.

let's continue with the massclaim shall we?

Is bussing the right play for you here Earworm?

I mean, you should put all your eggs in one basket, shouldn't you? If it gets down to one scum with multiple lynches to find him, you're as good as dead.

Thats what HAPPENS when you leave masons alive

I am even having doubts that Earworm is his buddy they way he was like OK DERP LETS LYNCH EARWORM KAY? Like lynching earworm wins it for him too.

Final Destination --> Obvtown

earworm

Well this is easy. hiplop claimed scum yesterday, so th

Actually, earworm + hiplop makes makes perfect sense. Rewind to hiplop's near death experience on D1. After hiplop claims VT, earworm lies low for like 3 pages. Then his first post claim is "@Archeabob: what do you think of me?" He doesn't comment on ANYTHING AT ALL - he just fishes for info on whether he's in good standing. His next post (2-3 pages later) is "Re: MikeMike. needs to post more. I like the idea of the wagon, but I'm not sure of its usefulness. Still very much a lurker null. I've seen nothing to judge his alignment at all. Which worries me." He's fence sits on his buddy, provides scumreads on akira and TS, who are now town, and a scumread on BGG (who is tracker). In other words, total crap. The rest of his posts are no better.

We have a winner.

bgg/earworm is POSSIBLE combination, however unlikely.

[bgg1996]

So hiplop, who's the RB? You or earworm?

[bgg1996]

Does anybody find it odd that Hiplop's posts didn't even contain the word "Earworm" until post #1088?

[bgg1996]

Kill now, or wait until he posts?

[bgg1996]

VOTE: No Lynch

[bgg1996]

Hiplop is the killer.
VOTE: Hiplop

[bgg1996]

How do I make more sense as scum?
Hiplop actively lurked for most of the game until he really needed to. He hasn't mentioned earworm till after post 1000. He makes sense for all scum roles. Even if he's a roleblocker, it makes sense he didn't use it. He voted for me a day after he should've. A townie would've immediately known I was scum, and voted me. He took a whole day, still speculating on how FD could be scum. FD cannot be scum at this point.
I could only be scum as scum tracker, which doesn't even make much sense with the masons.

[bgg1996]

You tracked me night one; i didn't visit anyone. The lone scum has to be a PR, two goons have died. No way would i have no used my ability night one. Thats like the only night where i'd say its pretty much confirmed that a PR would be used; and iirc there were some claims so i would have known who to PR anyway.

Also, you never really changed your opinion on me based on that tracker result (night one afterwards), just doesn't make sense to me.

Rigght.
Well it doesn't really matter to me now that I tracked you, but you could be:
Another goon
A non-targeting role (hitman, for example)
A 1-shot role
An idiot
A role-blocker

the PM specifically said town masons

Seems like you're just sheeping the other roles to me.

He even tried to get a lynch on the fucking masons!

Should I not have been showing caution? They pretty much got away unscathed after claiming.
I believe that was mylo. I would never have been able to live with myself if they were scum, and I let them go by without a shred of security.
Are you honestly telling me you had absolutely no suspicion of the masons at that point? After they were left alive for that long?

Just restating this to get answers from BGG and FD. Also so it doesn't get lost or w/e

1why am i scummy?
2I'm proposing a BGG -scum. He has been scummy all game;
3and was only really considered town due to the tracker claim. Didn't he just confirm what Akira said? or did he say it first?
4Im kind of lost now; i expected to come into this thread and just have a battle with fate/algmaster,,, but i dont think thats what i should be doing anymore.
5BGG is essentially confirmed scum to me now, I know i didn't shoot anyone.
6 I can't see FATE shooting last night;
7if BGG was a tracker, he would have easily found a shot fired by me/fate.
8 I know this is kinda WIFOM, but the only one who would have been able to kill without fear; is BGG.

VOTE: BGG

1. I believe I listed a few reasons.
2. Scummy in what ways?
3. Of course, I said it first. That's something you should know about the "confirmed scum".
4. "Thank you, Cpt. Obvious."
5. " "
6. Duh. FD is confirmed town now.
7. You would risk it with the mason?
8. That is exactly WIFOM, not kinda. "If I was scum, I would'a killed dat'a guy fer sure! I'ma innocent!"

[bgg1996]

Good game everyone. I blame the loss entirely on Earworm.

[bgg1996]