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i dont really have a meta tbh. I play differently depending on how im feeling. I think one thing that reigns supreme throughout all m games, is that i'm a terrible day one-r. Almost every game i attract some sort of attention on me day one. I am at least putting content forward, i apologize for the bad typing, im not feeling that great and not paying much attention.
Does anyone else notice how Demon is pretty much worshipping bob? no one finds that even a little suspicious? i think it warrants a wagon at leastthird best scummer of all time-
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demon, settle the fuck down. Day only just started. No one took that vote seriously but you. Yeah, im suspicious of you, for fairly obvious reasons, too. Those being, you're going way too frontal, too soon. That tends to be a scum-tell. You're like falling beneath bobs feet, and trying to like get in his pants or something. You're sheeping him to no end. even he is realizing your charade. Im not going to necessarilly say that you're scum, but you're my top read atmthird best scummer of all time-
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DemonHybrid wrote:hiplop wrote:The RVS can last as long as i want it to last, for me. I could vote 300 times in the RVS stage, its still the RVS. I saiddefinitescum, not a suspicion.Theres a difference (: .
You're trying to play too hard, too early and its not working.
Well, what you call "playing too hard" is what I call "I want to find out who scum is so I can lynch them, and I'll be as aggressive as I want to get that information".
Also, thanks for clarifying the emphasis on definite. I retract what I said.
im all for being an angressive player, if you read some of my games you'd see, that i am rather aggressive myself, but its way too early for being THAT harsh. Nitpicking a little too much atm. Not enough has happened to like find hard evidence. Granted it is your playstyle so i shouldnt comment on it, just friendly advice i guessthird best scummer of all time-
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uh, he's posted 4 times, 2 of them RV's, other a vote for pressure and the 4th was a ask for a prod.
I don't see what you wanted from my answer. Hes hasnt really started playing yet..
bobby What are you thoughts on his play/ what did you want from my answer? Feels like a filler question to make you look useful at this point
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archaebob wrote:@ hiplop - I'll answer that later. For now just keep doing what you're doing with Demon Hybrid, I'm very interested in what you guys have to say about each other.
@ Demon Hybrid - You'll find out the reason for my fos soon enough. I'm just waiting on jil to answer my questions.
Demon Hybrid wrote:Pine is typical Pine. He's playing slightly more carefully, so that's something to keep an eye on, but I don't think he's done anythingcrazyscummy yet.
"Slightly more carefully" than when? Are you referring to a past game?
What does "keeping an eye on" something mean to you?
And what do you mean by the end of your last sentence? Do you think he's done anythingslightlyscummy yet?
yeah, no. Filler questions that have no real purpose, are a major scumtell. This reaks of one of these. Explain, now. You ask us questions, we can ask you questions.third best scummer of all time-
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archaebob wrote:@ hiplop - It's counterproductive for me to explain what I'm doing right now. I recognize this is slightly hypocritical, and I don't expect you to trust me just yet. However, I do expect you to recognize that even if I'm scum, what I've done so far is pro-town, and that there are better things for you to do than fuck up my process right now. I'll explain before the day is over. Ok?
archaebob wrote:[@ jil -]
If it was joke, then why did you FoS instead of voting? You had no problem joke voting Barry Allen, Demon Hybrid, or Heliman. Is there some reason you gave hiplop the softer treatment?
Right now Jil needs to answer this, and tell me what she thinks of hiplop's play in general.
no not really. The thing is, i know you're not a newb. You're a pretty good player. You're really not doing anything productive, asking pointless questions doesnt benefit us at all. And i think you know thatthird best scummer of all time-
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archaebob wrote:TO THOSE OF YOU ON MY WAGON -
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2395182
Note that I wastownin that game. And that we fuckingwon.
This should make those of you who are voting me for my "chain questions" stop in their tracks for a moment. Like all meta defenses, it's wifom, but it still does mean that you don't really have a case.
again, i know you're a strong player. Meta wont cut it, sorry man.
that said, your reactions have seemed townie so
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shes obviously new, i FoS'd too, and iirc Barry allen did. I was slightly intoxicated admittedly, but RVS is just as much about starting conversations, as it is about applying pressure. Don't let my join date fool you, i've been playing mafia for years. Thats why meta wont cut it for me.
Also that reasoning is BS, fos =/= scumtell. Shes obviously young (account says 13 iirc), and won't fully understand mafia i supposethird best scummer of all time-
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Giitah wrote:hiplop wrote:Yeah, i was explaining what meta i find useless. Bringing up other games is what i consider meta, i dont consider psycho-graphic characteristics to be meta.
i worded that wrong admittedly. I mean im getting a town-read from him
So you consider claimed-and-'proveable' evidence from past games to be worthless, while you consider claimed evidence of their own personality to be in the clear?
@nintendo, yes that is definitely bad
its not good to use that as an offense nor defense, it just doesnt belong in mafia. Their age, mafia experience can be used, but nothing else really. like you couldnt vote me because im an aspiring actor, and they're good at pulling off roles. Get me?third best scummer of all time-
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These were four consecutive posts on the first page. Giitah FoS's two people. Hiplop FoS's giitah. Quoted nintendoaddict just because it was in there. Jilynne FoS's hiplop. Get it? It was a chain of FoS's. One person FoS'd, so the next person FoS'd that person for whatever RVS reason, then the next person FoS'd that person for another RVS reason.
Did you even read the FoS in context or were you just looking at the ISO? This isn't a case of softer treatment or whatever you said the case was, it's a case of the flow during RVS. An FoS was more natural than a vote at this moment.
As for the other post of hers you quoted - this is a more valid point, however the fact that it was answering a question rather than a spontaneously made up case on hiplop dampens the argument. She may find hiplop scummy but not the scummiest player in the game, or simply not scummy enough to warrant a vote. Not voting for anyone isn't always a scumtell, despite what those with more aggressive playstyles may think.
Apologies if I spoiled your big plan to get more reactions out of Jil but honestly she's been at L-2 before, we got a reaction from that, and 8 pages later you are still going after her? I mean with that reasoning, seriously? At the beginning of your explanation post I figured you had some huge scumtell on Jil that we had all missed but honestly this is not a good case. Let's forget about it now shall we?
I thought there was stuff worth analyzing past there but on second glance I don't really see anything significant so meh. Re-reading the thread + properly reading pages 9-10 tomorrow, that'll do for now.
Thank you. thats exactly what i was trying to say. I take th beginning of RVS as a time for fun, randomvotes/fos's. Nothing is serious. After a while it becomes a great asset to the town, thoughthird best scummer of all time-
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Do you have anything else to say in your own defense on my case against you? If you haven't noticed, I posted again on the topic at posts #218 and #219.
Honestly, can we get over this?
1. After a couple of RVS votes, hiplop flipped to a vote on Bob for "taking everything too seriously" (which sounded to me as his first pressure vote...though later in response to DH, hiplop claims this was a joke-vote).
2. Afterward, hiplop switched to a vote on DemonHybrid, later claiming he was "the only one voting DH, I'm thinking for myself." (That was not true - hiplop was actually the third vote on DH, with all three votes still active at the time).
3. Later, he returns to vote Bob, without explaining the vote at the time (although there had been some back and forth with bob prior to the revote).
4. Later, hiplop states about bob, "unfortunately you're town" and votes giitah with the only case being "somethings not sitting right with you"
1. Yea, it was a joke vote. I guess there was some merit to it, but for the most part it wasnt serious at all
2. Only one voting him for a serious reason, others were RVS iirc (not 100% sure on this)
3. The back and forth was the explanation, really. You're grasping too hard for little details.
4. I don't like being wrong, i was pursuing Bob up to that point, and i realized i was wrong. Giitah is definitely still on my scum-list. Shes active-lurking/trying to appear useful, without actually doing anything.
As for your stand on hiplop, I disagree. I find hiplop's posting style somewhat suspicious, much in the way you suspect Jil of pretending to be 13. Please go back and look at how hiplop's typos and grammar seemed to get much better when getting defensive/angry, then later went back to the looser grammar and spelling of earlier posts. Again that's a bit meta, but I'm still waiting for hiplop to respond to my (and other's) earlier posts before making a judgment call there.
@grammar thing; that is lame logic. Idk if you're in my timezone, but those posts were made at like 12/1/2 am. I was very tired, plus i'm a busy person + lots of games, so i kind of have to either type perfectly, or catc h scum. And i'd rather do the latter Whats suspicious about my play,exactly?i know i defended Jillyiane kind of, but its because i didnt think she could defend herself. It was a bad move on my part, admittedly.
What do you think of all this?
I know this will sound stupid, unfortunately. I hate suspecting the people who are on my tail, but at the moment, itd be barry allen. Hes clinging way too hard to my wagon. The same could be said about demon hunter (not on me, though). Bob you worded it perfectly a few pages back, they've found some small details that they can keep mentioning and hope for a policy lynch. Its between DK and Barry. I definitely take back any suspicions i might have had on bob, dudes a machine.
@Everyone/specifically barry - I consider meta to be other-game stuff/ personality traits, not age. I guess my definition could be wrong to others but thats what i think of, and i think its kind of silly way to scumhunt.
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at the time of the vote, it wasnt serious. I got an iffy feeling, but not enough to merit a vote. IDC how you interpretted it.
People make mistakes, sorry. I usually dont count obvious-joke-votes. I probably should have said the only one pursuing dk.
Again, look at the post times. Here it is 5:50 and i just got off v/la. Im fresh etc. How does my voice change?
How is that OMGUS? I genuinely have a suspicion on you, if you were doing the same thing to Giitah, id be suspecting you. It just so happens that yure on my tail. Sorry, thought you were voting me, was a qucik check up and i kind of just assumed you voted me, nonetheless, you still are claiming the same things over-and-over. Thats clinging to a wagonthird best scummer of all time-
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Barry Allen wrote:OK, let's go through this latest group of posts...
hiplop wrote:OMGUS =/= mistake in thinking someones voting you? I think you're scum, at this point. Its not OMGUS, its just coincidental that you're going for me.
atm im fine with lynching;
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Whats the vote count atm?
You wanted to go after me because youthoughtI was voting for you. It wasn't the mistake that was OMGUS, it was going after me because you thought I was voting for you. That's classic OMGUS.
hiplop wrote:nvm thought DK had more votes on him
VOTE: DK
This looks very LOL, very strange after making such a serious defense and going after me in a very serious tone. You are once again changing voices in thread as well as content.
hiplop wrote:Yeah whoops! thought his name was demon killer. And i meant griitah
More LOL again...only I'm not laughing.
hiplop posts with typos and grammatical errors until he is FoS'd, then turns to excellent typing and grammar along with a much more serious tone. Then, he goes back to LOL until the heat turns up again...and after getting serious with good typing and grammar goes back to LOL.
I don't buy that you can't even get the names of the players right, and I don't buy the flip-flopping in both content and posting style...I think it's time to...
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Barry Allen wrote:hiplop wrote:Did you even read my post?
Yes, hiplop, I read all your posts. I find them not to be consistent in either content or posting style. The post I'm quoting from you is like a lot of your early posts, where you quote a longer post from someone else (in this case me) and make a very quick comment...making it look like you are contributing much more than you actually are. Your later posts swing back and forth in both content and style, depending on how much heat you are getting at the moment. Until I see something better from you I'll keep my vote where it is.
There is one other question that I did answer earlier...but that question seems to have come up again so I'd like to answer it again after quoting the most recent note on the subject:
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Post #4 you said you wanted to hear from jil because she was at L-2. I know this has been said before, but drawing attention to her absence seems almost opportunistic.
I don't think either of them are scum, though, but you can't be really sure on D1.
At the time of the post referenced above, Jil had actually been on thread multiple times without giving a defense, even though the votes were piling up. She had only been at L-2 for a few hours (hence my time zone reference), but this had been going on for much longer with her active posting...but no defense. That's what I was calling out...not her absence from the thread, but her absence of a defense.
get over it, you have no argument. I type walls when i have something to type about. When im just replying to a question, there is no need. If you look at my meta (since you guys seem to love it), i type like this in every game; Scum or Town. Which is why your logic sucks smurf.
As for bobs ask from us; My vote is on my most scummy, Barry has gone up a few points with his persistance with me. Yet demonhunter continues to try and pull a policy lynch on jilyanne. He was one of the ones leading the charge on her, and it wasted like 10 pages. Obvious scum-delay is obvious. Also, theres something just wrong with his posts, they come across very scummy, cant really explain it
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Scumhunter wrote:DH is town, we are not voting him. I am 95% sure that DH-scum would have loved to tunnel a policy vote on me today for our disagreements from last game.
I want to see your case on him Bob. Also, yea Pine is V/LA, we don't want to vig him or even consider voting him til he gets back and can contribute. That is reckless play.
I have to agree with DH with regards to jilynne. If the point of voting someone for pressure is to actually elicit a response you don't just GIVE UP when they aren't responding. You continue to pressure them until they either respond or lynched as bad town/scum.
I'm more than willing to vote jilynne if she doesn't want to contribute.
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so because hes going after someone else, that makes him town?
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Well, if you were to be scum; the only people who we would have connections between you, would be the people you mention as scum. That leaves a bunch of empty holes that arent helpful. I guess if you were town, itd be the same.
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Giitah wrote:Here are my reads and my vote for day 1, as of now:
Hiplop
Noob scum/noob town. His reasoning and style of play is pretty offbeat and I can't really get an accurate read of him. I'll probably have to read his history to better understand but I think he might just be noob spelled all over; even so, I'll research what I can to glean something of his alignment.
While it seems like he wants to help, he has horrible reasoning and doesn't seem to have a great grasp of the game theory. No accurate read, really. He occassionally helps out in the questioning but just seems to just as often just get in the way.
Little other notes I can pick up is: he has horrible typing (meta) that improves when he defends/attacks well (could be a useful note to eyeball).
As of late, he reads pretty scummy giving me the impression of wanting to lynch immediately in post #341, where he stated
"atm im fine with lynching;
Barry
DK
Grallie".
See this as OMGUS from me, but the fact that he said it in that way looks kinda scummy to me.
Foilist
No accurate read as of yet. Not enough content.
archaebob
Strong town read. Like ace(?) mentioned earlier, there is a chance he could be playing a mindscrew WIFOM game with us and that he's actually a Mafia, but it's looking pretty low.
jilynne1991
Fucking terrible town player or a really noobie/good at lurking scum.
She strikes me as pretty scummy in it that she's really nervous, as seen in really trying to explain herself and why she was lurking and why nothing had happened in post 101; she gives us a really weak sort of response, her only really useful response in post 187; but that's it for content from Jily. Otherwise she has struck me as inattentive, lacking in any dedication and very nervous trying to keep her cool. She needs to post like HELL or be replaced.
Barry Allen
Personally, I don't have an accurate enough read of him but I'm getting a relatively townie vibe from him overall. He argued with Hiplop throughout page 14 (posts 325 to around 350), where he gave me a pretty passive and understanding tone rather than an offensive mafia. He didn't vote Hiplop until hiplop demonstrated some pretty funky logic. This deserves a read-over if he shows anymore mafia behavior but overall despite not giving off a strong townie vibe he DID give it off when he was arguing with Hiplop here. I'll leave him as a townie read leaning towards the null side.
NintendoAddict
He reads as a pretty noob town to me. He argues with Archaebob on the game theory a little bit but in general seems to grasp it enough to read decently. He posts some pretty faulty logic at times, in general his ability to reason appears to be somewhat limited to me, which COULD be read as a potential scumtell but it just reads noob to me. We can see some bad reasoning and also an example of his somewhat lacking game theory understanding in posts 239 and 250.
As for the cases against him, I've read them (hopefully) though I've forgot what they're about and he still seems newb town to me.
Heliman
He passes off to me as scummy because he's far too vocal. His play style is brash and rude and his case against Archaebob later in the game passes off as pretty scummy compared to what he said near the beginning if you view his posts in isolation. He's decisively null tell just because my gut reaction conflicts with his content, but with his intelligence I really don't think he'd be barking at Archaebob, especially after what he said to start with. I'm interested in this conflict, but there's no time to investigate this unfortunately.
Ace
Decisively town so far. He's done some good work so far but he also shot down the Jily case, which looks pretty bad on him. I think it was simply a mark of bad judgement rather than scumminess. The only odd thing I find is that he promised to give us an analysis of the Heliman vs. Archaebob argument, which never did pop up ever again if I'm not mistaken.
DemonHybrid
I get a town read from him. His content is good and he's helped the town. Not much more to say. His argument with Bob goes on theory but there's nothing from him to say he's scum, while there's a pretty strong read on him as town.
However, the fact that he's hesitant to join another wagon is of interest to me and should be noted.
Spadille
V/LA
Scumhunter
Null read. After being prodded to post he posted consistently and offered decent opinions but he's also proved he's relatively intelligent, meaning he could be either town or scum at this point. However, he does refuse to vote for someone he thinks is town, even if it's blatantly obvious it's not a lynch vote. Not sure what to make of this but that's all I can say.
Kay, that's my reads. long post...
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Graiie, explain where DH has ever been pro-town. Now. He hasnt done anything useful all game. Make sure to include evidence.
Where have i ever gotten in the way, too? I think my attack on archbob is townie enough, and it was pretty solid logic. I got him to pretty much confirm himself + a few others/get off the track. This town is really nit-picky and i get frustrated over that. (ie typing thing, get over it people)
you realize that me saying directly who i'm ok with lynching; is not scummy at all..right? If i were scum in this scenario it would limit my options to squirm around.
^^ Thats why your reads increased your scum-points, for me. You didn't decisively sayanything, pretty much all of them except bob say "They could be scum or town". Paving an easy route for you to flip-flop your opinionsthird best scummer of all time-
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DemonHybrid wrote:I had to double take at that statement. You should try reading sometime.
I'm proving that scum can active lurk while being pressured. It's what I think Jil is doing and it's why ace's case is bullshit.
hiplop, do you believe that I'm active lurking this game? Because I want to make sure that I'm hearing your bullshit correctly.
Yes, you have lots of posts, sure, yet none of them have content besides "JIL IS SCUMZROS, ILL KEEP SAYING THE SAME HNG OVER AND OVERZ". In the beginning you were going for the active player, but slowly you just turned into an active lurker.third best scummer of all time-
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Giitah wrote:Hiplop, make a case against DemonHybrid before I say why the fucking hell he's town because you haven't even got a goddamn case against him, for god's sake. You're just voting him from what I see.
settle the fuck down. Ive explained why hes scum, you just ignore itthird best scummer of all time-
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alright,ill explain it to you. Look at the clear connection between scumhunter and demonhybrid. They're distantly defending eachother, and scumhunter is using some LOL defense about a policy lynch. Giitah, he hasnt handled pressure well at ALL, he continues to tunnel Jil, with no real case; all hes saying is that shes a lurker, and we all know that. Hes clinging to one person so that he doesnt have to squirm around as scum. Also, his blatant overexaggerations/practically worshipping Bob in earlygame is incresibly scummy.third best scummer of all time-
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