Spadille wrote:VOTE: Heliman because he was calling me scum in Newbie 1094
lol, hi spaidlle.
VOTE: Nintendoaddict11: Because nintendo is a bullshit system.
Spadille wrote:VOTE: Heliman because he was calling me scum in Newbie 1094
nintendoaddict1 wrote:
Reactions. And not voting at all makes one look scummy, so RVS.
archaebob wrote:
Using a randomizer to pick your vote and then making sure everyone knows just how random it is defeats the purpose of a random vote, and makes you sound like nervous scum.
hiplop wrote:unvote, vote demonhybrid[/vote]
calling someone definite scum o n the second page, over a RV. Plus blindly following bobby
Oh yeah, sorry about that, this is my first mini normal here, I just sorta assumed that it would be a bunch of the traditional ones. Still, could you explain how that would that get me a FOS again?Pine wrote:Holy crap, I really am just batting 1000 in this game.FOS: Helimanfor what I said in 127. Vote stays on archaebob for now.
I'm pretty sure what archebob is doing right now is trawling for a reaction tell. I'm personally going to leave him be on it for now, but if he never follows up on what he was looking for or was looking for somthing really stupid then it will be a+ + scumread to me and I will push to lynch.nintendoaddict1 wrote:So let me get this straight, you want Jil to answer a question, but refuse to explain your 'process'? In the words of Hiraki...
HMMZORZ
This is a load of bullshit reasoning. Being able to play as a vocal town player is practically the opposite of acting scummy. Furthermore, as long as his reasoning is legit, you have no goddamn buisness accusing him of trying to push a mislynch D1, especially since he isn't showing any signs of tunneling.ace5993 wrote:What archaebob is doing right now is dictating the game completely. Almost every post since page 4 has been directly related to archaebob's comments or questions. He isn't trying to generate discussion, he's trying to control it and lead the town to a mislynch D1.
Stop trying to dictate how others scum hunt, a reaction test is legitimate at any stage of the game. It may always be underhanded to use, but as long as the trap doesn't look like scum covering it's own ass it isn't malicious.ace5993 wrote:
Can't really be counterproductive, the only thing that's beneficial for town to be secretive about for long periods of time is reaction testing, and we're well past the stage of the game where that's the best tactic.
It isn't anti town, if at any point there is a player acting suspicious that isn't giving a solid read, a reaction test of him is both pro town and viable.ace5993 wrote:
What you did at the beginning of the game was pro-town, with nice reaction testing and discussion generating. However now the reaction testing is largely irrelevant and discussion is going in full force; continuing your tactics is highly anti-town at best.
If you think that he's scummy for an argument he hasn't made yet then you are either tunneling or desperate to scumhunt to appear town.ace5993 wrote:
I'm going to guess you'll keep doing this until you've appeared to generate some discussion about everyone, or at least most of the game, then "explain" your techniques in some bs way, choose someone for the lynch and wait for everyone else to sheep you.
Only if you're scum it is.ace5993 wrote:
I don't think there's anything better for me to do than to attempt to fuck up your process right now.
Claiming either comes when the player feels like it or if he's at L-1 with a hammer over his head with people asking him to claim. So yeah, claiming at L-2 is a bad idear most any situation.nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:@ Nintendo -
You need to spend some more time in the newbie queue, my friend. The fact that it would even cross your mind for an instant that claiming right now would be a good idea is some major facepalm.
You were at L-2 and you're saying you find claiming to be a bad idea in that situation?
You're right, pointless votes do have significance, but only to the people who notice the pointless votes (out of RVS, mind) and think: "What a passive player!" If you really want to add pressure, bring an argument, or any player with so much as a chip on his shoulder will be unaffected by it.Giitah wrote:
@Heliman As for explaining my recent actions, well, I might as well speak now too. I'm a believer that pressure does change response, so I did consent to vote jump. That being said, no, I don't actually think he's suspicious, and yes, I disagree with you on 'pointless voting', because actions in this game are hardly ever pointless. Even random votes have significance.
Funny thing is, when you called out the scum in that old game, the person the scum FoS'd was town. Explain the difference.archaebob wrote:
I think that, without realizing it, jilyenne reflexively softened her random vote on hiplop because hiplop is her buddy. That knowledge affected her confidence in random voting him because she knew that the vote was fake. Downgrading the vote to an FoS was her subconscious way of distancing from it.
archaebob wrote:
@ Heliman -
Can you provide the quotes from my meta that are bothering you?
*Cough* 13, new player and had half the active players on her tail stemming from a bad argument. *cough* Also, I totally agree with Ace's post regarding your Jil case. This totally invalidates your argument from its advent. Also, its anti-town to point that out? If there is some sort of GLARING FLAW in someone's argument, pointing it out is obviously the pro town thing to do, because it makes sure that people don't start wasting pages and pages of time and info riding on a lame horse of an argument. Plus, you certainly didn't complain when I brushed a few of the bad arguments off you.archaebob wrote:
It's never protown to defend someone unless you alreadyknowthat they aren't capable of defending themselves, and they are actually about to be lynched.
A policy lynch? really? Archaebob, why doesn't this argument apply to Jil, who hasn't contributed to scum hunting enough? Better yet, why doesn't this apply to Hiplop, who has been sheeping and reasonless voting since we started?archaebob wrote:unvote vote Pine
Read his iso, note how utterly devoid of content his play is, and vote this lurker scum. He's done nothing, and his multiple failures to read the thread, combined with weird posts like this
nintendoaddict1 wrote:What case? You don't talk about hiplop much, just to FoS him and say he's boxing himself into a corner. And how was it scummy for me to do?
Don't play stupid, I linked the game in #226. The game is my quote.archaebob wrote:
If you have a point to make about my meta, you need to provide quotes. Context is everything. I don't even know what game you're talking about right now.
Now you're taking my post out of context. If you look at it's corresponding quote (re added since you decided to omit that bit), it's obvious that I was giving reasons for why helping Jil wasn't by your own description "anti-town."archaebob wrote:
Heliman wrote:
archaebob wrote:
It's never protown to defend someone unless you alreadyknowthat they aren't capable of defending themselves, and they are actually about to be lynched.
*Cough* 13, new player and had half the active players on her tail stemming from a bad argument.
First ten pages, people talking about something instead of sitting on their asses. What's your point?
You know damn well it's about the FoS argument.archaebob wrote:
Heliman wrote: This totally invalidates your argument from its advent. Also, its anti-town to point that out? If there is some sort of GLARING FLAW in someone's argument, pointing it out is obviously the pro town thing to do, because it makes sure that people don't start wasting pages and pages of time and info riding on a lame horse of an argument.
It doesn't invalidate my argument at all. What do you think my argument is exactly?
But archae, you DO get a reaction! Not from the hapless target, but from the scummy player that tried to pull the bad argument, like you!archaebob wrote:
And yes, it's anti-town to point that out in the first ten pages of a game. You are depriving the town of a reaction. If it's near deadline and a player is about to be mislynched because of a bad argument,thenyou can jump right in. Anybody with half a brain could see that the wagon on jil wasn't a lynch wagon.
archaebob wrote:
Heliman wrote: A policy lynch? really?
I don't know what makes you think 1) that I'm pushing for a lynch or 2) that my Pine vote is purely based on policy.
archaebob wrote:unvote vote Pine
Do something. You're still voting me for myGiitahvote? Give me a break.
@ everyone -
Read his iso, note how utterly devoid of content his play is, and vote<1)this lurker<2)scum.
There are 3 players who are making little-to-no content posts. To pick and vote only one without addressing how this one the other two is a double standard.archaebob wrote:
Heliman wrote: Archaebob, why doesn't this argument apply to Jil, who hasn't contributed to scum hunting enough? Better yet, why doesn't this apply to Hiplop, who has been sheeping and reasonless voting since we started?
I haven't said that it doesn't apply to them. All you know is that I pickedonetarget and made an argument about thatoneperson.
If you have no patience with games, why are you playing mafia? Contrary to popular beliefs held by many aggressive players, I don't have to vote to scumhunt, so if you me to make my case you're in for quite the pleasant surprise because you're looking at it.archaebob wrote:
Heliman, I have no patience for games. If you have an issue with me, drop a vote and make a case.
Do I look like a sheep to you? Screw it, I don't care. The reason why pine hasn't done anything to help town yet is because, to quote your own words, It was "the first ten pages." There, problem fucking solved.archaebob wrote:
How about helping me find out why Pine hasn't done anything to help town?
Is this contradiction scummy? It's one thing to make a contradiction, and another thing to make a scummy one. IMO, Hiplop's contradiction isn't all that scummy, and even comes off as a simple change in opinions. Telling a scummy contradictions is usually a matter of weather or not it was made with either malicious intent or in pursuit of the player covering his own ass, weather or not it actually fits either category is up to you.nintendoaddict1 wrote:Heliman wrote:Um, duh?
Exactly. So are you for or against a hiplop lynch?
archaebob wrote:@ Heliman -
1) If you weren't voting me right now, who would you be voting and why?
2) What's the intended purpose of your current vote? Are you succeeding in your objective?
He hasn't been around enough for any strong reads. Aside from his post about him mentioning that you were being surreptitious with your suspicion of me, I've noticed his arguments have been very heavily meta based. There's that, at least.archaebob wrote:No I mean in general. What do you think of him?
ace5993 wrote:@Heliman feel like explaining why you're still on bob at this stage in the day? Everyone who posts today needs to either join one of the larger wagons or state why they would prefer a no lynch. And there'd better be a lot of posts in the next 8 hours.
This is... What? No vig in his right mind would ever kill a mason N1, he's too valuable. Plus, mafia almost always prioritizes killing PR town before aggressive town, especially one that can make himself confirmed town at any time by outing his partner.hiplop wrote:gonna assume mafias kill got blocked, and a vig of some sort killed DH.
nintendoaddict1 wrote:foilist13 wrote:I'll get to Barry Allen tomorrow. My vote was poorly timed pressure and I'm not prepared to make a case that will shift the tide of this lynch.
I would prefer to hear from a replacement, but it doesn't seem that that is going to happen.
unvote, vote: Pine
And that is a lock... why the hell lynch a claimed PR?
FoS foil
If there is a vig, you've got a target named foil.
I said you never spoke out against the wagon. The entire reason pine was lynched was because he put off a big argument for the longest time and then just role claimed instead. In fact, you also said yourself in #666 that "the RB claim was a bit sketchy."nintendoaddict1 wrote:On top of him claiming, I said why I thought Pine was town earlier in the thread, go back and read it.
I never asked.Barry Allen wrote:
As for me I stand by my vote on Heliman. He wants me to out someone I believe to be the doc? Is he kidding? That means the doc either has to protect himself (if he can) or he dies the next night phase. I think we have enough roles out there right now, thank you very much, and asking for me to out a doc is downright scummy. My vote stays on Heliman.
IMO 2:11 ratio is pretty common in my book.Giitah wrote:
Everyone, how many scum do you think we're looking at here in this game? At first I was good with assuming three Mafia but now I'm not sure anymore... Heliman's point on the uselessness of a Mafia Tracker is making me doubt that there are only three Mafia.
Actually this one depends on weather or not scum can daychat. Where I come from they can, but I understand that usually they can't here.Scumhunter wrote:
-Barry is scum tracker, and his report is on town powerrole. Barry knows a town powerrole already and this doesn't hurt us
xvart wrote:I'm halfway through page nine right now but I see a archaebob/hiphop scum team as a possibility so far. I wish that archaebob wagon would have gone through when it was building momentum.
archaebob wrote:@ Heliman -
Before I post my rebuttal to all your nonsense from yesterday, I have to know: at this moment, do you still think I'm scum?
Foil, why did you target archaebob last night when he said himself that he thought you were town? What would possibly have warranted you using Friendly Neighbor on him?foilist13 wrote:Claim: Friendly Neighbor.Itargeted archaebob last night. I now have a QT with him in which we can discuss at any time. Archaebob isn't a PR at all.
I felt this was spot on due to my opinion on the D1 lurker hunt fest.xvart wrote:
Actually, your thoughts tie in perfectly with [http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... 7s_3rd_Law]Stoofer's 3rd law of Mafia.[/url] Perhaps this is where the mod was going with this? Who knows.Barry Allen wrote:One last note on the number of powers: If this does turn out to be such a role-heavy round, it has taught me something interesting about mafia rounds. I had always assumed such role-heavy rounds would result in a quick read of reports and a quick win. Instead, it has created intense debate over whether each role exists and whether we should believe a claim. It also opened the door to at least one mafioso (Foilist) fake claiming a town role and almost getting away with it.
Ok then Xvart, are you the Mason? You can save us a mislynch right now if you claim.xvart wrote:It's interesting because we have an unaccounted for mason out there and nobody posting right now seems to think or care about that, which is also suggests that the scum are on my wagon.
archaebob wrote:Thoughts on the game? I especially want to hear from scum.