Mini #76, Black and White

Kerplunk · Post Post #29 (isolation #0) » Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:41 am

No Idea wrote:They seem to be following that logic, because they killed Talitha. However, Talitha isn't the most experienced person in this game, MeMe is. If she would have been innocent, the mafia would probably kill her instead of Talitha.

Or you want us to think that. Because there's no more to go on,

vote: bloojay

. He put the third(!) 'random' vote on blackhawk, which is a bit quick. I can understand he wants to get this game starting, but some am I. And bloojay is more suspicious then blackhawk.

Kerplunk · Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:42 am

The first sentence should read: "Or the mafia wants us to think that." (That MeMe is mafia, by not killing her).

Kerplunk · Post Post #65 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:06 am

Why is everyone not voting for bloojay anymore? It seemed somewhat suspicious to me casting that third 'random' vote.

Then there's No Idea, who tried to divert the attention from bloojay to MeMe by posting crap logic. I don't think we should look at who got killed tonight. Maybe they are newbies not knowing that MeMe is an experienced player. Maybe MeMe is self the mafia. Maybe the mafia decided not to kill MeMe, which wqould make her look bad. There are so many possibilities.

The case Carmine, it does seem scummy not to vote for someone because you think you will lynched for that (or something). If all townies would playing like that then every day would end in a no lynch. But I don't think Carmine is scum. A hunch or something.

unvote: bloojay

he doesn't seem to be suspicious anymore..?

FoS: No Idea

. Diverting attention is scummy to me. And I would want to vote for blackhawk, because he was abit suspicious in the beginning and his talk the role-PM's. I don't know, kind of a hunch. Since he has already 4 votes I won't want to give the 5th, so that mafia will lynch him easily.

FoS: blackhawk

.

I'm going to read the thread more carefull, because there's definitely something scummy going on, I feel. Lot of suspects.

Kerplunk · Post Post #70 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:13 am

vote: blackhawk

Kerplunk · Post Post #111 (isolation #4) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:40 am

Woohoo! That changes a lot, going to reread. At least, everyone is suspicious who not voted for blackhawk yesterday.

Kerplunk · Post Post #112 (isolation #5) » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:05 am

Hmmm... it seems I missed the whole of page 4 yesterday.

Isaac is suspicious. But he has defended blackhawk too much. Don't think he is scum on the reasons he posted yesterday.

vote: Carmine

. Because she didn't vote for blackhawk, she attacked MeMe and MC instead. Maybe mafia doesn't openly defend their fellowmembers, but some do. I think it's the best shot.

Also Fletcher strikes me as odd. Not overly defending blackhawk but mostly agreeing with Isaac in one post. In that same post he 'attacked' me. I made not a very logic post by unvoting bloojay, but if the town doesn't think anyone is scummy and I don't have real good solid evidence to suspect someone, I unvote.

And Gammie. That's mostly because s/he didn't vote for Blackhawk.

Kerplunk · Post Post #143 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:25 am

I don't have much time right now (homework and stuff) to make an usefull post. Only want to say to I find Fletcher very suspicious. I have some arguments about it but I have no time to copy-paste that. And it's also kind of a hunch.

FoS: Fletcher

for now. This could be very well turn into a vote after I reread to thread and can give some solid arguments.

Note to mod: the subject-name still says Night.

Kerplunk · Post Post #166 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:06 am

My thoughts:

MeMe - She led the blackhawk bandwagon day one. I personally didn't think blackhawk was so suspicious, with his vig-PM. So although MeMe got us lynched a mafiosi, maybe it was a setup and MeMe knew bh was scum because she self is. Don't think it's real MeMe-like, but it's something to keep in mind.

Isaac - Defended bh so vigourisly(sp?) that it's highly unlikely for him tob e scum.

No Idea - No Idea votes for Isaac because he defended scum, but I think we have pretty much decided that he can't scum for the same reason. So making this statement again seems a bit weird.

Gammy - Don't think he's scum. He votes for Isaac because Gammy's PM doesn't say 'townie'. I find it hard to believe that scum would jump on this.

Wacky - hasn't done anything suspicious, hasn't really done anything as I recall. That's why he's a good candidate for begin scum.

Fletcher - Although I have my doubts. I think he is the best candidate this day.

confirm vote: Fletcher

. Trying to divert attention is scummy and I have also this feeling. We can make this day drag on and on, but after this we have one chance of lynching scum. A new day, new hopes.

Kerplunk · Post Post #179 (isolation #8) » Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:53 am

I've got: "Townsperson".

Kerplunk · Post Post #187 (isolation #9) » Sat Dec 27, 2003 11:22 pm

We have to be carefull now on not to vote for someone just like that, because the mafia can put their two votes quickly on and lynch an innocent.

Don't think that Isaac and MeMe are scum, because of their argument Day 1. It could be that it was a set-up, but we have to rely on something. We have two scum left, so we don't need to look at MeMe or Isaac to be scum just yet. Leaves Gammie and No Idea.

Facts:
blackhawk-wagon:

mystery celly, bloojay

, MeMe,

Wacky

, Kerplunk, No Idea
Carmine-wagon: Kerplunk, Gammie, No Idea, MeMe, Isaac
Fletcher-wagon: MeMe, Kerplunk,

Wacky

, Isaac

I find No Idea scummier then Gammie. He did cast the last vote on blackhawk, but it was inevitable that bh got lynched I think. But Gammie didn't even vote for blackhawk. Which makes me think Gammie is scum.

Actually, I have no idea. But I think we have to decide between No Idea and Gammie (if Isaac and MeMe aren't scum together).

Kerplunk · Post Post #189 (isolation #10) » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:38 am

MeMe wrote: I want to hear from Isaac. I also want to hear from Kerplunk why
on earth
he would give Isaac a pass for arguing with me on day one.

I'm not saying Isaac can't be scum. I'm saying he can't be scum with you (because of all the arguing with you on day 1). That gives three possibilities:

1: Neither of you is scum -> Gammie and No Idea are scum
2: Isaac is scum and MeMe isn't -> Gammie

or

No Idea is scum
3: MeMe is scum and Isaac isn't -> Gammie

or

No Idea is scum.

In all three cases, at least one of them (Gammie, No Idea) is mafia. So I guess we should decide between those two who to lynch, and leave the third mafiosi for tomorrow. We then can see who is dead and then we can always turn our attention to Isaac or who-ever.

Kerplunk · Post Post #190 (isolation #11) » Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:41 am

sorry, double post.

MeMe wrote: Since Wacky's dead and not mafia, I'm suddenly looking at Kerplunk with interest.

That last thing I don't understand. And of course I know that my logic does not hold if I'm scum, but trust me: if I was scum I would have screwed up a long time ago.

Kerplunk · Post Post #193 (isolation #12) » Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:45 am

MeMe wrote:The "looking at Kerplunk with interest" thing is because I think Isaac is our strongest possibility of scum and you've set up a scenario where he's not even a consideration. Who could be his partner? Well, the player pointing the spotlight away from him, that's who.

I know that this looks like drawing attention from Isaac. Well, it is but not because I'm his fellow scummy.

If everyone agrees that MeMe and Isaac can't be scum together

, I know that either Gammie or No Idea (or both) are scum.

Maybe Isaac is scum. But if Isaac is scum, then most likely Gammie or No Idea aren't (because they voted for Isaac yesterday with no 'pressure' from other townies). That would mean that you are the last scum, MeMe. But I can't believe you would be scum with Isaac.

My guess is that Gammie and No Idea are the mafia in this game. I am a townie and I think I will not vote for Isaac, it would be illogical from my point of view.

Kerplunk · Post Post #197 (isolation #13) » Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:54 pm

If Isaac is scum (and MeMe isn't), then Gammie or No Idea are scum. But then why did Gammie and No Idea vote for him yesterday for no apparent reason (does anyone have an opinion on that?)? Also, the argueing between MeMe and Isaac would suggest that MeMe and Isaac aren't scum together.

So, Isaac can't be scum with Gammie, No Idea and MeMe. I'm a townie. With the things I know (me being a townie) I can see no 'logic' reason why I should vote for Isaac. I think that No Idea and Gammie are the scum in this game. Or MeMe took a gambit in 'chasing' blackhawk Day 1.

Going to reread again and see if I can find some game patterns to support my theory.

Kerplunk · Post Post #199 (isolation #14) » Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:47 am

I hope for the town that Isaac is indeed scum. I hope. But I think we're making a big mistake. I would like to vote for No Idea at this point, but I think that would be a little dangerous. I'm not that sure of my case.

Kerplunk · Post Post #201 (isolation #15) » Mon Dec 29, 2003 7:41 am

Sorry.

Because if I don't think that Isaac is scum, then two of you three has to be.

MeMe was part of the blackhawk-wagon, could be a gambit, but I don't think so. And then between Gammie and you, I think I choose you. You were the last to vote for blackhawk, a I-am-voting-scum-so-I-can't-be-scum-kinda-vote. You are the first to vote for someone this day, which is quite dangerous except if you're scum yourself. I know that someone has to be the first to vote, still this stands out to me. And it's also a hunch. They are not the best reasons to vote for someone, but I just don't think Isaac is scum, so I have to look for others.

Well, this is all fruitless. Isaac gets lynched anyway, I'm afraid.

Kerplunk · Post Post #203 (isolation #16) » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:25 am

This I find so weird. No Idea votes for Isaac (the first one that day), and then 6 posts after that, Isaac and Gammie make an argument what could be a set-up, but I don't think it is. So, if Isaac is mafia, then he could only be mafia with MeMe. And that I also don't believe. So in my opinion, Isaac can't be scum because he has no-one to be scum with. That's my last thing I'm going to say about it.

MeMe, please think it all over before cast your vote on him. But I guess you have already.

Kerplunk · Post Post #211 (isolation #17) » Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:25 am

Now, I'm totally lost here. If Isaac isn't scum, then Gammie also isn't scum, . So MeMe and No Idea are. Argh...

Too... sleepy... to... think... this... over...

Kerplunk · Post Post #223 (isolation #18) » Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:35 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Very

well played, both MeMe and No Idea.

BTW, If the game wasn't over when I would log in: I would've voted for Isaac. That unvote of yours, MeMe, really let me believe you were innocent when I thought things over last night.

Bah!

*goes off murmuring "told you so" to no-one in particular*

Kerplunk · Post Post #229 (isolation #19) » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:00 am

I found it a bit weird to lynch someone because he had a bit different wording in his PM. But hey, we got to lynch someone right? And it

seemed

that the whole town agreed on this. And MeMe was on the wagon, MeMe is never wrong...

Oh and did I mention that this was one of the funnest games I've played. Nice one, PolarBoy! Thanks.

This one will make the mafia learningbooks in 'How to mislead the town effectively', I bet.