Ellibereth wrote:bleh, even if i didn't have scum inklings from Thom and he was just useless unreadable baggage of crap or a utility target I disagree with you guys theoretically. (It's either D1, N1 vig, or D2).
Like I said, unless I get a couple specific ponies flipping specific alignments, I would prefer not to see Thomith in an endgame. Heck if it was a 5p scenario with only one scum I would be willing to just lynch him because I wouldn't be able to trust myself. One of my biggest flaws is that im a little too easy to buddy up to. Thomith is behind three people very cleanly though for "dont want to lynch", probably more in that grey area of unsurednessly which would hold people like Parama and Ellibereth who I really just see zero point in lynching. So I guess Thomith actually is nearly smack dead in the middle of who I would lynch despite reads. Parama is a good comparison to Thomith though to me, both are essentially shots in the dark, still say Thomith is about of scum count average of being scum, although Thomith could give more insight on others.
I greatly prefer the VM lynch. I could see him working with almost everypony at this point.
Voidedmafia wrote:While it is true that those posts do not carry any overt sense of suspicion in them, the intent was that previous posts had already given that, and thus rendered it redundant. Whether that suceeded or not, well...<_<
I didn't push you for repeating what had already been said. I called you out on not taking solid stances on anypony, and leaving all doors open with regards to Neruz and Thomith. Like I say here to which you respond;
Rainbowdash wrote:We see him arguing both sides in the first one, and in the second not really backing up why the logic is fishy, it simpy is.
I felt that the action and the setence it's in explained why it's fishy. After all, this was a convenient way to just claim "Hey, I'm just RVSing" which Neruz did, and then he can potentially back out of this with no harm done, assuming that we hadn't picked up on the rather obvious contradiction.
As for the first, I'm not afraid to state what I think both sides are (unless I think there aren't). Why does this feel off to you?
Funny thing here is you are attacking Neruz for exactly what I am attacking you for now. Both of the posts I brought up were worded in such a way that you could easily say that somepony is town or scum with minimal effort, fence sitting if you will. Also its just basically summarizing what is happening instead of actually giving a stance on it, which is scummy because its a way to make it seem like you are contributing to the discusion without actually having to firmly plant hooves on either side of the line.
Rainbowdash wrote:The agreement with hip bugs me as well, I don't see how digging a hole is scummy at all. Why even bring that one up as a point?
The point is, the way Thomith was going about it was dragging himself down along with Neruz. Scummy both by association with Neruz and through his own posts (too late for specific posts, but I believe most of them have already been covered).
What? So digging a hole was some unique way of saying commited the exact same scumtells as somepony else? Also its never too late for specific posts. That is what makes this so much more different then when ponies meet somewhere to play, you can accurately go back and bring up what was said.
Rainbowdash wrote:This post
Oh, right, if I think you're scum. Had a post on that, then stupidly got it deleted by clicking on a bookmark. But anyways, I checked through the first couple pages up to when I switched to you, and I didn't really see much reason for me to vote you, so I'm gonna
Unvote.
I still hold Neruz in suspicion, but Evil Bullet is right in that we probably need to either look at things from a different angle or find another place to go to.
Also just seems out of place, especially has VM is calling Neruz scum while not voting, yet that was in part his inital attack on Neruz.
You would like to call me out on hypocrisy, wouldn't you?
Thing is, I didn't actually call him scum in this post, nor assign any scumpoints or scumtells to him. I ONLY said he has my suspicion. Nothing more, nothing less.
Don't get snippy with me. These hooves can not only protect but also destroy, and I will not hesitate to use them to do such if you aren't going to just answer questions straightforward. Also I love to call ponies out on being hypocritical since its a scumtell.
How in the world is saying somepony has your suspicion, but they aren't going to get your vote any different then what happened with Neruz to start the game? Its the exact same thing, scarily the exact same thing. Even with that last post you specifically say that he has your suspicion, which makes him more scummy than anypony at null read, which is what we all railed on Neruz for.
Rainbowdash wrote:Then there is the out of nowhere sheep on me onto hiphop. Up until that point I was convinced the entire wagon was town driven. Now not so sure.
Now, this vote WAS sheeping (happy now? You can say I sheeped), but even if I didn't try to add my own logic, I did (and do) agree with the logic you gave for voting Hiphop, which is why I followed you.
Sheeping isnt scummy inherantly, if it was no pony would ever get lynched. You need background characters to have a good show. Maybe this is more null, but its something I feel needed to be pointed out. Up until that point I was really convinced that the entire hiphop wagon was town. Wierd thing is, looking at that votecount, you stick out a whole lot to me. If there is scum on the wagon, probably you. I can actually see you as scum with or without hiphop, although more likely without. Instead with one of Sleuth/Parama and then somepony else from the WV/Thomith/Neruz/Beck/deselby group. This is all speculation until I prove myself right though, that VC just makes me think you are scum at a glance. Wonder if just saying throw you in the big group and it becomes a pick two works better. Given early game I believe one of the three lurkers is scum or at least two of my alliance is scum, which I heavily lean to lurker. This is even more true if deselby is town.
Rainbowdash wrote:Also if VM is town so is one of Sleuth and Parama, almost for sure. VM has shown way to much interest in lurkers contributing without making any pushes against them.
Playstyletell. I usually don't push lurkers unless they're active lurking.
Also, where have I pushed hard for Sleuth and/or Parama to post? And I'm not talking about off-hand comments like, "Oh, you're right, Sleuth isn't posting." or anything like that.
I can tell you I've only directly mentioned Parama once before this post (the other two times were in quotes), and Sleuth about 3-4. Granted, the time I mentioned Parama is when I directly ask him, "Are you even going to post?" but I haven't even broached that subject with him since.
As for Sleuth, I have never actually gone out of my way to say, "Sleuth hasn't been posting. You ought to start doing that." or anything like that. So I'm not sure where you're getting "has shown way too much interest in lurkers contributing"
Iso 16. The individual addressing of slightly different questions just was one of those things that made me jot down a note.
Rainbowdash wrote:Now we observe.
*observes* Rainbowdash! What do your pony eyes see?
I see little reason to back off what I have been thinking so far, although the play from Ellibereth has caused me to have my reads shaken a little bit and helped get my head out of the clouds. Seems like he keep pushing the exact ponies I have more doubts about, which I like and dislike at the same times. See I really dislike being wrong and tend to not admit such until I have near inconclusive proof otherwise, damn anchoring heruistic, but he keeps playing devils advocate.
That was more then I intended to write.