Mini 1221: Vegas Mafia (Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

wow. another crappy reason to vote a claimed protective role. if nintendo slips sk we can throw zdenek/maru into the scumpudding. but i'll take it.

spoon: stop being such a wet blanket. you do realize that if he flips town then you are getting lynched tomorrow? everything you do from here on out screws us 100% if you are both town. so man up and hammer.

I've thought Nintendo was scummy for awhile now. I unvoted because I wanted a second to look things over because of how fast the wagon was going, and decided that I was fine with his lynch after all. You are just flinging shit everywhere right now.

TS, I think the role is fine and looking at the mini-normal guidelines I think it's fine. I just don't think Nintendo is telling the truth.

I think Timeater's arguing based on flavor is what has no place in a normal game.

if you were scum, claiming white mage AND after already claiming doc would be pretty close to the worst thing possible to do

It's so much more likely that he actually is a white mage. It all adds up then

[Twistedspoon]

no-one lynches nintendo whilst I'm alive

I messed up this day anyways. I played scummy by not immediately CC'ing and I want this game out of my system. I'm prepared to die to keep nintendo alive. He's town

[Twistedspoon]

no scum makes roles up? ARE YOU SERIOUS LOL

seriously, when has scum ever tried to claim a role that doesn't exist?

it explains everything

a part of me wants him not to be the white mage, so I don't automatically look scummy due to there being 2 protective roles, but the other pat of me knows there is

He's town. Hellhound is not

[Twistedspoon]

I'm not voting nintendo

I have a policy not to vote town reads

this is one instance

[Twistedspoon]

if you think he's town, then we need to find the mafia roleblocker, because without that role, this game is broken.

there is one. I can feel it

I just don't know who

[Twistedspoon]

spoon: you are making me want to vote you. nintendo isn't doing anything but trying to coast off this claim. how is that a town read?

...

how sure are you nintendo is scum?

[Twistedspoon]

This is garbage. Adding just a role-blocker would not solve the problems for scum this setup would create.

what's to say just a roleblocker?

perhaps they have a 'black mage' of sorts?

that would explain things

[Twistedspoon]

ok, we're getting into wifom now

give me a sec

[Twistedspoon]

nintendo was adamant I wasn't the doc when I claimed

scum motivation:

Let's go down with a fight. I can take the real doc down before I go

Town motivation:

hey, I'm a protective role... He can't be a doc.

but then again, why would he claim a protective role as scum if he

knows

I'm a protective role?

[Twistedspoon]

Let's say I've never been so confused as to a mini normal before

there are a lot of myseries in this game and I feel there may be more to come. Namely this roleblcoker business

clearly a hellhound lynch isn't happening

If i hammer now then we'll get the info we need at the expense of a possible PR

we need that info though...

[Twistedspoon]

Yes, scum could have a lot of power to make up for the two protective roles.

I still don't think a "white mage" hammers like Nintendo did.

ok zdnek

I trust you...

VOTE: nintendo

sorry compadré. I hope we have a better game next time

I don't want to speculate on Nks but If nintendo flips scum then I'm 70% dying tonight. Very likely to be the doc, but I did protect him
otherwise I don't know... I might be left alive because of my play today and the setup
I just hope the vig nails that roleblocker tonight

[Twistedspoon]

****

white mage...

I will analyse this wagon tommrow. perhaps compare it to Tick's

I need to re-read tonight. badly

[Twistedspoon]

SOP?

[Twistedspoon]

well whatever. I said I was prepared to die for nintendo

I just didn't expect it to be in this order

[Twistedspoon]

*rolls up sleeves

so what do you guys want to talk about today? Life, the universe, everything?

[Twistedspoon]

tell me about it

if we start from the start I'd like to point out an observation of mine that only 1 kill occured last night as opposed to the usual 2

this means one of 3 things

1) the vig only ever had 1 shot
2) the vig was roleblocked
3) the vig targeted the person I protected last night (which was zdnek)

if the vig claims we he doesn't claim a 1-shot vig then there is either

1) a confirmed scum roleblocker
2) a confirmed protective role which stopped the vig attack (myself)

however as If we assume for a second that the vig targeted zdnek and that's why only 1 kill occured then the only possible option for the vig would be HL as everyone else has claimed vt

if HL does not claim vig then the vig has to be zdnek and if he does not claim 1-shot vig then he'll have to be rolelocked

therefore, we have now confirmed a scum roleblocker in this setup if our vig is zdnek and he is not 1-shot

if the vig is not zdnek and not 1-shot then we have either a confirmed protective role (myself) or a confirmed roleblocker or both

[Twistedspoon]

EBWOP: forgot ryu in the above post. He is the 3rd of the 3 living players who has not claimed

so we'd have to have at least one of {scum roleblocker, protective role}

with one of these confirmed the setup is no longer impossible

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therefore the vig needs to claim
1) the number of his shots
2) his targets

I feel the scum will probably already know the vig though from having only 3 options to choose from last night (HL, zdnek, Ryu). Therefore the lack of a vig kill will confirm a scum roleblocker if the vig is not one-shot

It's possible scum may have a rolecop (hence they knew the vig) and an RB to make up for 2 protective roles or something along those lines

[Twistedspoon]

Why would there be a powerful doc role + another doc TS?

I didn't make the setup padré but now I have to explain it.

1 or 2 scum roleblockers is possible. perhaps some other scum power or hidden doc sanity

@mod: would it be informed in my role PM if I were a naive, insane or CPR doctor?

the vig needs to claim right now to prove or deny my roleblocker theory

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: maru

I'm going to place this vote here for now as I feel he would have had the most motive for killing don (as well as trying to frame myself)

[Twistedspoon]

There are no insane/unstable roles in normal games.

you're probably right there

still, we didn't think we'd have a white mage ('black mage' too?) and we can confirm a roleblocker through a vig claim so hope is not lost

[Twistedspoon]

I've played in a mini normal where the 2 scum were neighbours with each other as well and thus shared 2 Qts with each other. Perfectly pointless but a mindgame that worked.

It was mini 1183 and it caused a lot of controversy at the end and Hoopla the chief game reviewer had to get involved.

If that's possible, this setup with a roleblocker sure is

[Twistedspoon]

@maru:

so why would I claim doc after a doc already claimed if I wasn't one? that's just asking for a lynch after the original doc flipped town?

IT MAKES NO SENSE

besides, if the vig claims and he says his kill didn't occur

then there must be a roleblocker.

That makes the setup far less broken

Don was just as critical of yourself maru, so don't play the don card on me

we need a vig claim right now to prove we have a scum RB

[Twistedspoon]

above was me

[Twistedspoon]

That's entirely debatable. You used a breadcrumb and could have easily argued that there were 2 Docs in the game. Taking out a Doc when there is no guarantee that you will be taken out isn't that bad.

1) I breadcrumbed because I was doc. Link me to a game where mafia breadcrumb. It doesn't occur to them
2) easily argued there were 2 docs? How? It could be broken
3) there was a guarantee I'd go. Purely because no setup any of us had ever seen had 2 docs before. they're broken. even don and the others said I'd be lynched as should nintendo flip town

[Twistedspoon]

Useless claim is useless. Say more scummy things please, so that I have enough justification to lynch you today, because you are becoming my top suspect and the only thing keeping you alive right now is your Doc claim.

judge me on my d1 play

I was not scummy then, even you realised that

It was only when nintendo claimed doc that my brain got messed up and i started to post nonsense. nothing made sense to me from that point
as a result my posts became madcap and rushed

[Twistedspoon]

That's entirely debatable. You used a breadcrumb and could have easily argued that there were 2 Docs in the game. Taking out a Doc when there is no guarantee that you will be taken out isn't that bad.

1) I breadcrumbed because I was doc. Link me to a game where mafia breadcrumb. It doesn't occur to them
2) easily argued there were 2 docs? How? It could be broken
3) there was a guarantee I'd go. Purely because no setup any of us had ever seen had 2 docs before. they're broken. even don and the others said I'd be lynched as should nintendo flip town

yet when i claimed doc I had no-idea nintendo was a white mage

all he had claimed was doc

[Twistedspoon]

man there's no point in even trying is there?

[Twistedspoon]

no point making a farewell post. I expect maruchan to pop his head in again, quote whatever I write and type wifom in caps several times.

...
I usually play better than this. That is all

GL town. There's no fight in me anymore. My interest now is joining the dead QT so I can at least learn what scum had to balance this mad, mad setup (yes this is wifom maruchan)

it would make me happy before I died to hear my d1 play was good though because right now i feel as low as I've ever felt in a game....

[Twistedspoon]

there's nothing i can say that I haven't already said tbh

I'v given my reads and the like. I'm sure my 228 posts cover all of my thoughts so far

[Twistedspoon]

here today

zdnek finds an interesting point. why does HL mention the possibility of zdnek being the vig if he is? why bring it up at all?

but the simple facts are that if ryu or zdnek doesn't cc then HL is probably the vig....
HL didn't explain his empking vig though which i thought would be important, claiming results andd reasoning when claiming. Nonetheless Empking's playstyle still made him a good vig target and HL is probably the vig if Ryu doesn't counterclaim..

[Twistedspoon]

Oh no! I'm being tag-teamed by my scum reads.

I just said you were probably the vig :/

[Twistedspoon]

RYUU

HELLHOUND

WAKEUP AND VOTE LINK

what happened to when you were '100% sure' link was town?

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: zdnek

you shouldn't vote the player with the hammer zdnek

I know I'm town at the end of the day, can't say the same for you though. If i get vig'd tonight then there's nothing i can do, but I hope i can at least get a successful protection in.

[Twistedspoon]

tell me about it

[Twistedspoon]

HL is still with us?

hi HL

want to talk about
1) why you're still alive if you're town
2) why you didn't get a kill in if you are a vig (roleblock or my protection?)
3) zdnek saying you cannot be town for these reasons

...Link's claim is not coming from town.

If Link was town, considering that he's not voting TS, he'd be afraid of their being great scum power, and wouldn't have claimed now risking being role-blocked or killed. He's scum. No doubt.

Also, his reasons for killing Empking look like scum trying to justify a kill rather than just taking out the person he is most suspicious of.

Also, this sort of reactive statement designed to cut off conversation is scum bread and butter

. . . . because I can almost hear Zdenek calling us scum right now.

Here's why I don't believe it by the way.

Zdenek: Seems townish, but he's still done nothing for the town of particular value. Nonetheless, he could be the Vig and so we can't lynch him yet.

zdenek, lets not split up our bandwaggons now. -.-

Hmmmm, I'll stick with Link for the time being.

[Twistedspoon]

it's just 3 quotes that show zdnek was positive HL was scum. I'm inclined to believe him after the flip and HL still walking among us

but I'm more than happy to hear from everyone before I think about where I should put my vote

[Twistedspoon]

Earlier this page

RYUU

HELLHOUND

WAKEUP AND VOTE LINK

do you still think this?

[Twistedspoon]

I'd not ignore your analysis; you're still like my 2nd top townread (nocase being my first. I protected him last night btw)

anyways, I'm asking if you still think HL is scum like you were saying at the end of yesterday

[Twistedspoon]

at one point you said you were 100% sure HL was town though

also

i had zdenek down as town, too, for some reason that i can't look up right now. something's wrong here.

Could it be the Vig gambit? And what seems to be the matter?

no, that's not it. the matter is something in my head that i don't feel like sharing right now.

can you share now zdnek is gone?

[Twistedspoon]

you say you're the perfect myslynch? er.. no, that's myself. If anyome was left alive for wifom it was me. You might be an SK or sumthin

anyways you say 2 docs can't exist, yet you say a roleblocker must exist as your kill didn't occur last night. So if you say there must be an RB why can't there be 2 docs?

also, I'm not interested in you finding zdnek scum, I'm interested in why he found you scum.
VOTE: HL

[Twistedspoon]

I would like to lynch Mar today actually

Wait for nocase

Mar who near-proved himself town after that vig gambit?

meh. He might be Link's buddy. Scum just don't leave a player like HL alive though

[Twistedspoon]

even if Maru was scum, HL is either SK or mafioso. If he's SK he has to go now as otherwise 2 kills would occur tonight and that would be game over if both the SK and mafioso target townies tonight

in other words if we have an SK he has to die today.

I feel HL is an SK who has purposefully only killed on odd nights (and was roleblocked last night) to make him seem more like a vig, as SK's don't usually have night restrictions but Vigs do
Either that or he's just plain mafioso. He's the only one with Sk potential though and needs to go today in case he is the SK. The other mafioso can go after we remove HL from the equation

[Twistedspoon]

If you think that's proof your reading of human nature is shit

I said near-proved, and you have to admit he gave the perfect, genuine townie response after the gambit

anyways, above post says even if maru is scum we have to kill HL today anyways in case he's the SK (or otherwise just plain scum)

[Twistedspoon]

At this point, I have to be the Vig. There is nobody who can counter-claim me and an SK wouldn't have been roleblocked last night and could've easily targeted TS.

this logic is very flimsy btw

what's to say you're the SK but scum don't think you are and believe your vig ruse so RB'd you?

scum don't know the setup. Scum may not know you're an SK

my theory is you're and SK and tried to kill nocase last night (who i protected) or purposefully no-killed as a wifom gambit. Either work. Failing those two, you're just plain mafiosi and either you or your partner have an extra killing ability

[Twistedspoon]

Working on a case for why I'm not SK right now, actually.

there's no way you can prove you're not an SK. That's impossible

the closest you'll get is a barrell of one-sided wifom

[Twistedspoon]

And the fact that you have now 100% dismissed Vig as a possibility when you thought it was entirely possible and likely yesterday shows that you are quite full of shit.

you're not a vig. The zdnek evidence and the fact you're still here, when were I scum I'd have killed you N1, is reason enough to assume you're not town

then the only other options are mafia or SK

like you say, It's unlikely a double killing mafioso exists, so you're an SK then

simples

now we have to kill the SK today to make only 1 kill tonight rather than 2, because 2 is potentially game-losing for town.

[Twistedspoon]

Also, Mafia case on me is utter shit. I'm fairly certain there is no normal Mafia role that gives extra kills. And the fact that you have now 100% dismissed Vig as a possibility when you thought it was entirely possible and likely yesterday shows that you are quite full of shit.

sounds just like frustrated scum who's been caught tbh

[Twistedspoon]

And the fact that you have now 100% dismissed Vig as a possibility when you thought it was entirely possible and likely yesterday shows that you are quite full of shit.

you're not a vig. The zdnek evidence and the fact you're still here, when were I scum I'd have killed you N1, is reason enough to assume you're not town

then the only other options are mafia or SK

like you say, It's unlikely a double killing mafioso exists, so you're an SK then

simples

now we have to kill the SK today to make only 1 kill tonight rather than 2, because 2 is potentially game-losing for town.

Logical fallacy is fallacious.

says the one who believes there's an RB but 2 docs is still crazy

if it makes you feel better I'm only 99.89% sure you're not town.

[Twistedspoon]

ding ding

did someone order a pizza with extra scuminess?

you say you're the perfect myslynch? er.. no, that's myself.

No it's not, since it wouldn't be a mislynch.

not good logic here HL. You're scum because.. you're scum? 2/10 on the logicometer
I'm the one being left alive for wifom
you're the one being left alive because you won't shoot yourself

It's highly unlikely. I've covered that. As an SK, I almost can't win.

*shakes head*

I think we're dealing with 3 town, 2 scum, 1 SK. you, as the SK, will be trying to get a mafioso lynched today so that you can kill the other in the hope that he doesn't shoot you. What's so hard about that?

and if there's only one mafioso, and one SK, it's even more likely you could win. All you're doing is playing down the SK's winning odds to make yourself seem town. That's the logical fallacy. Also the fact that you think an SK could be trusted to work alongside the town is bizzare as well. "well if you do prove me to be the SK, I promise I can play with the town too :3"

anyways you say 2 docs can't exist, yet you say a roleblocker must exist as your kill didn't occur last night. So if you say there must be an RB why can't there be 2 docs?

Because 2 Docs would be town-aligned while a Roleblocker would be Mafia aligned, duh. That's just a fucking dumb question.

language padré

you're missing the point anyways. I know an RB would be scum aligned, I'm not as stupid as you're making me out to be. Your story is that a scum RB exists which stopped your kill last night. this may be true and all, yet you also say 2 docs is broken and therefore I should be lynched, however once you accept that scum have an RB, then 2 docs is no-longer broken. So your case just fell apart. again.

My theory still is that you either puposefuly NK'd last night to incriminate myself, or tried to kill nocase, who I protected. Both would make sense. The first probably moreso.

[Twistedspoon]

But you did the exact same thing, guaranteeing a win if we lynched Scum RB zdenek, and you'd vig scum TS.

this is true

HL basically claimed scum after the zdnek flip with all his

false promises

:

@Town:

If Zdenek and TS don't flip scum and I'm not dead tomorrow, then feel free to lynch me

if you honestly believe I'm town. For today, humor me and

I guarantee victory

. What is the worst that can happen?

We can mislynch a townie, but it's not gonna put us in MyLo if we do or anything

. You give this a shot and we can end this right now

and if not,

then Zdenek is probably right and I'm scum that must be lynched tomorrow, right? It's win-win

.

addressing the bolded parts

bolded 1: zdnek didn't flip scum so sure.
bolded 2: ??? where is it?
bolded 3: WE ARE IN MYLO
bolded 4: ok, you've promised here we can lynch you if zdnek flipped town so that's exactly what we'll do. This 'lynch me if I'm wrong' business is scummy wifom

Lynch me tomorrow, sure. My powers are useless after today anyway because I'm guaranteed to die tonight if I'm telling the truth. Vig or SK, it doesn't really matter, does it? Either way, there's zero chance that mafia will leave me alive through tonight, because I'm a threat to their victory condition. You want me dead? It's done. I'm gone, no matter what. If both TS and Zenek flip town and I'm not killed, then I must be scum right? So you can lynch me then. But doing it now is beyond stupid. Just lynch Zdenek, I'll Vig TS, and we can end this game. Stop being thickheaded.

also, this quote is amusing in retrospect of HL being alive and zdnek flipping town. I could bold the whole thing. The 'lynch me tommorow,' 'I'm guaranteed to die tonight' and the parts about zdnek are the highlights.

confirm vote: HL

[Twistedspoon]

@twistedspoon

, why do you have such a strong town read on me? and why did you protect me last night?

well it's mainly because of the people you replaced

DH followed his town meta. He gets really involved in his town games and far less so in his scum ones. His town frustration at replacing out was like the town DH I know

Anak replaced DH and he scumhunted well. #184, #622. there are many examples

also, replacing out is a weak towntell. Becomes stronger as 2 replacements on the same player slot occur.

So yeah, you're townzers. HL is mafiosi

[Twistedspoon]

Mafiosi includes SK to me

it's an easier way of saying mafia or SK. 'Anti-town role' is too long and vague as well

Mafiosk could work next time....

yeah, you can be Mafiosk..

[Twistedspoon]

No particular reason for town to lynch SK while scum remain. Scum don't want an SK win anymore than town do, so they gotta kill him as quickly as possible.

nah, scum leave the SK alive for a bit (around now)so he can clear a few townies for them, or get lynched through wifom

and what's to say that the scum knew there was an SK? They might have thought you were an odd-night vig anyways.

I still think you tried to kill nocase last night with you thinking he was mafiosi

[Twistedspoon]

No particular reason for town to lynch SK while scum remain. Scum don't want an SK win anymore than town do, so they gotta kill him as quickly as possible.

nah, scum leave the SK alive for a bit (around now)so he can clear a few townies for them, or get lynched through wifom

Seems like a pretty terrible idea. He could take out Mafia, so that's bad. Just my take though. Leaving opposing facions alive seems dangerous.

In my last game with an SK it was the scum's tactic

and what's to say that the scum knew there was an SK? They might have thought you were an odd-night vig anyways.

I... what...? I'm not really sure what's being said here.

you said scum wouldn't leave an sk alive, but how are they to know you're an SK?

I still think you tried to kill nocase last night with you thinking he was mafiosi

Why would I ever kill him over you?

That's stupid on so many levels. For starters,

I've been saying nocase is town forever.

Also,

hellhound seems infinitely more likely to be scum

. Most importantly,

why would I be so retarded as to not put your ass in the ground?

1) because you know I'm not scum
1b) because I look like great myslynch fodder due to my role
2) you can say he's town, but it's your gun that does the talking.
3) yeah, but it's easier to lynch hellhound than nocase as nocase looks townier
4) because you're not wasting a shot on me and think you can lynch me today.

[Twistedspoon]

I've played with NK-immune SKs too

[Twistedspoon]

:/

I don't want another Demongate here

[Twistedspoon]

and I'm a procrastinator. What I'm doing...

actually, I'll tell you later

[Twistedspoon]

wise words

so really I shouldn't be answering those questions...
I'll give them a crack since I'm bored though. I'm interested in why you find no need to quiz hellhound though

1) It's not impossible. Like i've said I'm only 99.9% sure you're not. You're mafiosk in that scum have left you alive and zdnek has pointed out numerous anti-vig tells and betted his townie life that you weren't the vig.
2) why is it impossible for me to be scum? How can anyone answer that question without either making themselves sound town (which any player would do) or without saying because of their role PM. My play and analysis say I'm town, as well as my meta. If you want to know why I'm town though you 're probably best off asking the others as even as scum I'd say my play has been town. (but srsly, I know I'm town)
3) there is probably an RB. I have been saying it from d2. If not there is a 'Black mage' or some other scum power.
4) you or scum (if you are an SK)were either roleblocked or targeted protected player on nights when only one killed occured. Either this or you purposefully no-killed on non-odd nights to create a plausible fakeclaim of odd-night vig. It makes sense since odd-night SKs are incredibly rare and unfair and it would create a believeable and safe, fakeclaim.
5) scum could have powers. How about that roleblocker? I've been in more confusing setups anyways. Hoppster's mathamathia was a mini normal which screwed us over much worse than this. Here it's a simple case of 2 docs to at least one scum RB. I wouldn't call a tracker an investigative role anyways.

[Twistedspoon]

you didn't quiz hellhound because you thought he'd be replaced? seriously?

Especially with Timeater alive. That's one townie built right in that you don't even have to try to sway.

Timeater knows I'm town, and rightly so. I don't see your point

2) why is it impossible for me to be scum? How can anyone answer that question without either making themselves sound town (which any player would do) or without saying because of their role PM.

By providing examples of town things they did.

any player can present their actions in a townie light if they want to

3) there is probably an RB. I have been saying it from d2.

Then why so certain that I wasn't roleblocked?

I'm not, my theory is that you were either RB'd or tried to kill nocase

Either this or you purposefully no-killed on non-odd nights to create a plausible fakeclaim of odd-night vig.

Why wouldn't I just claim normal Vig.

if you'd have claimed normal vig it'd have been far easier to say "well you can be an SK"
however once you claim one-shot vig it's far harder to say that as town will be more inclined to believe you and say "well why would he No-kill on purpose every other night? clearly he must be a one-shot vig" which is the reaction you want

odd-night SKs are incredibly rare and unfair and it would create a believeable and safe, fakeclaim.

Regular Vig is already perfectly believable.

no it isn't. nearly all SKs claim regular vig. Thus you could not claim regular vig and not be a possible SK

Twistedspoon wrote:5) scum could have powers. How about that roleblocker? I've been in more confusing setups anyways. Hoppster's mathamathia was a mini normal which screwed us over much worse than this. It's not a confusing set up. I'll break it down for you:2-Shot Tracker, White Mage, Odd Night Vig, and 7 Vanilla Townies vs. 1 Mafia Doc(?), 1 Mafia Roleblocker, and 1 Mafia Goon. Though admittedly you might just be the Roleblocker and you claimed Doc for reasons I can't begin to comprehend.

this setup you propose is wrong just from a glance at it

you're giving scum 2 strong powers, a 2 edged sword in a vig and the only town powers being the mage and a limited use tracker who could mistake town visiting players for scum ones

this setup you propose is far too scum-sided

it's probably:

1 Doc, 1 White mage, 1 SK, 1 2-shot tracker, 2 mafiosi (one being an RB) and 7 VTs

this setup is far more balanced than yours and thus more likely.

Blip with ex. Apologies.

Please, quiz away.

1) who are the scumteam and do you think we have an SK?

[Twistedspoon]

appeal to timeater much?
Just consider the possibility that you were wrong about me. You don't accept that, just like you didn't accept zdnek town.

anyways, did you just claim scum giving up?

From there it will come down to whether or not I'm lynched today or tomorrow.

today

[Twistedspoon]

appeal to timeater much?

No appeal, just a statement of fact. Without Timeater, the town can't win. It's math. You and your scum partner and him make 3 of the 6 players and none of you won't vote for me. But only one of you is town. If he refuses to help the town, the game is lost.

Timeater is helping town; he's voting for you and I hope he'll help me get the other scum tommorow if we're still both around.

I refuse to believe that there is a White Mage, a 2-Shot Tracker, a Doc, and an Odd Night Vig.

when I claimed doc I knew that a doc had claimed, 2-shot tracker had flipped and vig probably existed (if not an SK)

if i wasn't a doc I wouldn't have claimed in a seemingly impossible setup where i'd probably be lynched if nintendo was actually a doc (and it's even worse that he was a mage y'see)

also, I note how you conveniently forgot to mention the scum PRs to make the setup seem even more unbalanced

This is my last post here until the end of the game unless Timeater comes to his senses and votes for you.

how town of you

I'd honestly prefer I be mislynched today rather than tomorrow

K

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE:

zdnek

you shouldn't vote the player with the hammer zdnek

Wait, wut? What a non-OMGUS reason to hammer someone... >.>

it was either me or zdnek going to be lynched that day

I was confirmed town to myself, zdnek wasn't, so i had to hammer zdnek

do you see?

and anyways, my 'tunneling' on you was quite a while ago and it was because you never said you were V/la D1. you yourself even accepted that without knowledge of v/la your d1 posting looked suspect

[Twistedspoon]

sorry, come again?

you were hardly here and iirc you were not that close to being lynched anyways. there was always someone scummier, and you hardly even said who you thought was town

yesterday it was either myself or zdnek and I knew I was town for sure but I couldn't say the same about zdnek. If one of us was going down (which looked certain) then it wasn't going to be the player I knew was a confirmed townie was it?

nocase needs to vote HL so we can finally lynch mafiosk again

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I called him town. He looked so.
however between me or him I knew for sure I was town, so it had to be him

if anything HL is even scummier as a result for driving the zdnek lynch in the first place. He is the scum on it; not I

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TS you are going to have to throw aside your notions about DH/Ank/Case being town because of the D1 blow up. That could have happened to any alignment. Hell, it'd be quite good if it was scum just for those reasons.

well I trust you timeater.... and that claim is bizzare
VOTE: nocase

If I'm correct that's L-1

Maruchan is probably a scum. I can't see him hammering nocase at all
Hellhound has a chance too though...

[Twistedspoon]

I'll protect you tonight. Your reasons make sense

[Twistedspoon]

oh, hey

i had a brief glance but couldn't post on the phone I was using. far too frustrating. Pixels die every time I turn it on y'know

anyways, what do you want me to explain? I see now that I may have thought nocase town for the wrong reasons as you've pointed out

[Twistedspoon]

the last few pages are crazy and hard to follow but from what i understand nocase tried to pull a fast one by claiming bulletproof townie

nocase is scum and should be lynched. DH claimed vt and now nocase is fakeclaiming bulletproof????
the two don't match. nocase contradicts the player he replaced. ergo he should be lynched. Maruchan is prob the partner but he can go tommorow

now let's lynch this scum together timeater. What do you say?

let's get hikari for lying.

uh, you lied about your role

that takes priority over HL today. you're obvscum. HL we'll talk about tommorow

[Twistedspoon]

this day has dragged on too long

we know the plan. I protect HL tonight and we take it from there

put your vote back on the obvscum today please, Time, and we can hunt down the last mafiosi together tommorow

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Naw, I think I'll hammer.

TS you have to admit you've gotten scummier as the day has dragged on.

i think we all have. This game is crazy. I've not been at my best. Then again I'm only 16 and always looking to improve

Your play is radically different from how it was D1/2.

?
yeah, well you try playing a role that's seemingly impossible but your PM tells you it cannot be

You seem willing to go along with anything, and are ready to back me up where previously you were usually pretty solid in your own stances.

I am solid. They don't call me solid spoon for nothing you know.
but I am also 100% sure you are town and I trust you. I also realise nocase is scummy in a way i never noticed before

Maru is on-site, lets see what he does.

this isn't a science project. what are you expecting him to do?

[Twistedspoon]

HL and I have the plan sorted fir tonight. Let's get it done noe

nocase has claimed scum in his play, lurking and fakeclaim. I have no more time for him

If you'd like to do the honours timeater. We'll catch the last mafiosi tommorow

[Twistedspoon]

hmm

maruchan, just in case your vote doesn't count will you post it again on a new line?

I get fussy about these things

[Twistedspoon]

I like my votes to be at the start of a new line

some mods get fussy about it but i didn't see it in the rules so it should be okay

[Twistedspoon]

well Maruchan, what do you think?

[Twistedspoon]

that's cool

hey maruchan, I've got a song I want to share with you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig

want to sing?

[Twistedspoon]

You really know how to ruin an epic hammer TS

jerk

just a technicality padré

I must admit your hammer was epic though

[Twistedspoon]

that's cool

hey maruchan, I've got a song I want to share with you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig

want to sing?

SURE BUT FIRST I YELL AT YOU FOR BEING THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY MYLO

GOS THAT WAS A FUCKIGN SCUMSLIP LIKE NO OTHER

JUST SRS

I'm still surprised you made it to endgame with me. I expected to bus your ass D2

?
it was Mylo
even HL knew that

and you were the one who pointed out that scum had no communication pre-game :/
That's a scumslip

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, I'm quite impressed I fooled you guys into thinking 2 docs was possible....
I must be more persuasive than I thought

[Twistedspoon]

it was pretty obvious there was no SK

no SK kills on odd nights on purpose :/

Most of what I said today and yesterday was utter nonsense, but you guys bought it so more fool you :p

[Twistedspoon]

Hikari Link, Timeater, I would like to dedicate this scum win to the two of you. None of this would have been possible if each of you had not fought on behalf of each ofthe scum. Timeater, without you TS would be dead. Link, without you I might be.

Thank you both of you.

ILUVYULONGTIME!♥

yeah, timeater needs to play in all of my games

he was like a 3rd scumbuddy to me <3

[Twistedspoon]

I'm just glad they fucking fell for my LOLFAKETOWNIEREACTION VIGSHOT gambit.

God that worked like a gem.

true

after my breadcrumb failed and I was looking obvscum d3 I was an inch away from claiming scum due to HL's hounding

thankfully I didn't and made the most epic comeback I could have imagined by playing an impossible role in a broken setup ^_^

[Twistedspoon]

Hikari Link, Timeater, I would like to dedicate this scum win to the two of you. None of this would have been possible if each of you had not fought on behalf of each ofthe scum. Timeater, without you TS would be dead. Link, without you I might be.

Thank you both of you.

ILUVYULONGTIME!♥

yeah, timeater needs to play in all of my games

he was like a 3rd scumbuddy to me <3

4th. Don't forget about The Tick.

tick died, bro.
we never even spoke to him :/

[Twistedspoon]

im getting spooked reading this mini, TS is so good for a younger player (if his bio is true)

PS if TS is scum I'll never post on MS again

I <3 you timeater

[Twistedspoon]

After what happened yesterday how could you not lynch TS?

Seriously guys.

I'm too pro

not many players can pull off bluffing an impossible role

[Twistedspoon]

Dead QT pls

[Twistedspoon]

if they ask nicely for it :3

[Twistedspoon]

Well played, Maruchan. I certainly wasn't expecting you, sue to your general subtlety. TS, well played Day 1. After that, the only thing that kept you alive was Timeater.

ty

well not entirely timeater. He's just one player and he's no idiot

cc'ing doc was a moment of madness but it seemed to have worked out. Seriously, I was thinking of claiming scum at one point and I managed to bluff an impossible role. I think that deserves credit

we made all the right kills too it would appear

[Twistedspoon]

you guys are so mean in the dead qt :'(

[Twistedspoon]

I told ender that if we won this, town would never appreciate our win and blame town's own play. Looking at the dead QT it appears I was sadly correct

town always seems to feel they have a right to win and that makes them kinda bitter at the endgame

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After what happened yesterday how could you not lynch TS?

Seriously guys.

Because I knew Timeater would never go for it and like I said, we needed the whole town together to lynch. We probably would've mislynched nocase tomorrow anyway. For whatever reason I he started playing as poorly as possible today and he did everything he could to wash away all of his towncred.

Well played, Maruchan. I certainly wasn't expecting you, sue to your general subtlety. TS, well played Day 1. After that, the only thing that kept you alive was Timeater.

I generally agree with this. TS played a good D1.

I agree to some extent

D1 I was sane but then I got so worked up about the fakeclaim I had planned d2 it almost ruined the game for me. I forgot the golden rule of never gambit as scum (although as regfan will say it has paid off for me before)

we made some slips, maruchan knowing we had no pre-game talk and tick dying for no-good reason were setbacks, but I feel I/we snatched victory from the jaws of defeat

it's unfair to entirely blame town for our win I feel

[Twistedspoon]

best comeback award? :3

remember when my lynch looked inevitable?

If you are town then TS gets the noose. SOP.

Looks like the mod will be posting my death any minute now...

vig should kill TS

.

@Zdenek: Care to rationalize that for the rest of us?

Super-doc plus doc is broken, so TS dies.

[Twistedspoon]

eh, I told you I suck at being scum Maruchan :p

[Twistedspoon]

still, confirmed scum living until the endgame takes some credit

It wasn't easy getting timeater on my side

[Twistedspoon]

still, confirmed scum living until the endgame takes some credit

It wasn't easy getting timeater on my side

It was extremely easy from the looks of it. He decided your claim was legit for whatever asinine reason and held firmly to that belief to the end.

well I must have done something for him to be so sheepy sheepy of me. Maybe my D1 play. I liked D1. :3

I agree with the dead QT that the zdnek lynch was absolutely mad though. I was conf.s cum and somehow you got zdnek into a lynching position...
from then it rekindled my hope and even maru was surprised.
I spoke a lot of nonsense and you made better points than I did, but my nonsense cases were working on timeater and hellhound and nocase were inactives so I saw little need to make sense :p
It must have been frustrating for you HL. Still, your zdnek lynch was mad and let me remove 2 threats I had from the equation before the final day

This is the part where regfan to comes in and plays down our win further



anyways I still have the belief that It takes some skill to convince town to not lynch myself for 2 days as confirmed scum ^_^

but apart from that I'm probably the worst mafia player on the site...

[Twistedspoon]

Anyway, whatever. I just don't get what the fuck made you guys hold on to TS for so long.

because It's me :3
Only I can be confirmed scum and live...

but whatever

we won.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm going to take a long break from mafia now. I don't plan on entering any new games for a long time. This game has been... that sort of game...

[Twistedspoon]

Lynching nocase was the dumbest move ever though.

lynching zdnek was

[Twistedspoon]

GG HURRR BULLETPROOF CLAIM

Bye mafiascum, it was fun.

stick around. It's fun playing with you

[Twistedspoon]

I think we just killed all the best players at the right time...

[Twistedspoon]

town did well D1 lynching tick, so it can't have been that bad

[Twistedspoon]

You should have been lynched on the day I was lynched. Nocase should not have been lynched.

Iknowrite

i made the impossible possible

even the simplest town should realise 2 docs is very odd

[Twistedspoon]

I fakeclaimed commuter in a setup with a known doc once

I was instalynched because of it (to be fair i was going down anyways)

if a town can realise a commuter + doc is wrong then 2 docs (even one strong doc) is truly mad for town not to see is broken

the scuminess of other players doesn't hide the fact that 2 docs is mad

[Twistedspoon]

Seriously did anyone even think this through?

of course not

that's a main reason why we won

if I'd have never claimed doc I still feel we could have won this though as my D1 play wasn't bad at all. So both sides made mistakes

[Twistedspoon]

JERK.

how does this make me a jerk?

[Twistedspoon]

lessons I've learnt

1) never gambit as scum unless you have to. I didn't have to at all
2) don't lead the line at lynches at the start of a day (i regret going all out offensive on nintendo and hellhound at the start of d2. I forgot the golden rule to let town destroy town.
3) never crumb acrostically. It didn't work

[Twistedspoon]

Was nocase lying contradicting his previous player with a fakeclaim grounds for a lynch?

Or was I stupid?

it was

it seemed a very likely fakeclaim the way it was a contradiction of DH's claim

I don't know why he did it...

[Twistedspoon]

btw if theres any awards for

worst

best lines ever, i better have just won it.

[Twistedspoon]

@ Maru, your reaction to the dayvig was excellent as was your play at the later half of D1, the only thing that worked against you was your interactions with TS.

which interactions?

[Twistedspoon]

would have won if i didn't claim doc

simple as that