Mini Game 21 - Game Over

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confirbananamation

sometimes the banana in one's confirmation is just a banana. . . sometimes. . .

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is that a banana in your confirmation, or are you just happy to see us?

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sorry about this. . . i tried really hard not to say it. . .

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he's not claiming cop.

i believe he wants everyone to post "investigations" so that if/when our cop dies, we will know the results of all of his/her real investigations.

it sounds like a pretty sneaky/clever thing to do, except that there is a chance that only two or three (or even one) of us will post correct "investigations" - which means the mafia would have a very short list for finding the cop.

i do not think it's a good idea, but i don't really find it suspicious, either.


oh, yeah; what do people make of this:
"TightLipsTony (Retired Cop) is missing and assumed to be dead." ??

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*coughs* as i just said, the town would benefit if/when the cop got killed, so we wouldn't lose his investigations.

no individual statement is worth arguing about, though; mneme is not actually claiming that NightStalker is innocent; it's his fake investigation.

but i'm not actually backing the plan, because i think it gives the Mafia more info than it does us; i'm just describing why it wasn't a totally stupid idea.

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Vote: Night Stalker

speak up; this game cannot be played properly if some players remain silent.

(same thing goes for theAccountant)

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i think it rather interesting that it took you only nine minutes to respond.

but, respond you did.

unVote: Night Stalker
Vote: TheAccountant

same deal

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if you're going to FOS IS, it should be because he hasn't yet complained about how ungodly slow this game is proceding.

speaking of which, this game is going ungodly slowly.

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i had already done this, but apparently the mod missed it

unVote:Night Stalker
Vote: TheAccountatnt

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hmm. very little to go on so far.

but i think that little points to GreenCrayons.

his first post was a reaction to mneme's idea, but it seemed an overreaction:

Are you claiming cop?
If you are: Why?
If you aren't: What the hell are you talking about?

if it were simply a matter of confusion, i think one would just ask, rather than try and incite something early with, "are you claiming cop?"

his second post was in response to my pointing out non-posters:

Yeah..

FOS: The Accountant, Nightstalker
Vote: Pim

it seems odd to me to FOS people then vote for someone else - however, i didn't find this suspicious at the time because perhaps he simply has bandwaggoner tendencies. even if that's the case, though, this was the fourth vote on the bandwagon, a mere 3 1/2 - 4 hours after it began, making him a very serious bandwaggoner.

the third post:

Well, that was short lived.

Unvote: Pim
Vote: The Accountant

Speak, man! Speak!

is again jumping on the best bandwagon, which, again, isn't suspicious if that's the sort of player he is.

but, his latest post:

Yeah, but IS always does that. Though, i suppose it's a great disguise to hide behind if he is mafia.. in which case, i just hope the Cop has already or will check him out. Then again, there's always the chance (albeit slight, but it's still there) that the mafia have a Godfather - and with our luck, it's IS. But. Blah. I don't know.

Unvote: The Accountant, because he spoke up. Welcome to the game.

And.. what the hell. Vote: IS, simply on principle.

is abandoning the best bandwagon in favor of starting a new one? doesn't seem to jive very well with a bandwaggoner personality.

further, in this last post, he deliberately suggests a catch-22 scenario: "cop should check IS - but of course shouldn't trust his investigation since IS might be a Godfather" (paraphrase, obviously, but i quoted him too, just above). this seems to me to be trying

way

too hard to set someone up.

none of my reasoning here is conclusive, of course; this is mafia.
but it's definitely enough for me to:

unVote: TheAccountant

and

Vote: GreenCrayons

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As for the time frame, i was checking the site often, because i am still on winter break (which, consequently, ends today). I dont find the small window of time to be suspicious, espically seeing as how i checked the site three/four times a day (yes, those days off from school can get pretty boring) throughout the break.

you misunderstand what i meant by mentioning the time. within 4 hours of the first vote for Pim, you added vote number 4. with 6 to lynch, this is pretty severe bandwaggoning.

which, coupled with:

Point three: Exactly. Bandwagons help us get to conclusions, not to mention to get players who aren't talking to do just that. Which was the intention of that bandwagon mentioned.

rather puzzles me, as your bandwaggoning of Pim was

not

"to get players who aren't talking to do just that." there were several people not talking, but you ignored them in favor of bandwaggoning Pim, who was talking.

I was on the Accountant bandwagon to get the Accountant to talk. He talked. The reasoning behind my vote (and therefore my support behind that current bandwagon) was to simply have the Accountant talk. Once he talked, my vote had no reason to stay on the Accountant.

just support of the point above. you seemed to have no reason for voting Pim.

That's a nice paraphrase, but it's not what i said. So, let's look at what i said, sentence by sentence:

actually, let's look at what you said without your comments in between each sentence:

Yeah, but IS always does that. Though, i suppose it's a great disguise to hide behind if he is mafia.. in which case, i just hope the Cop has already or will check him out. Then again, there's always the chance (albeit slight, but it's still there) that the mafia have a Godfather - and with our luck, it's IS.

no matter how much you water it down with "in which case" and "with our luck" you are suggesting that IS is a Godfather. this cannot in any way be verified, and so serves no purpose but muddying the waters.

you also spent a lot of time in your post saying that IS's role is nigh impossible to figure out based on his behavior (scattered, so i didn't want to quote each). your being adamant about not switching your vote makes no sense, then. you're voting for IS because you have no idea if he's maf or townie?? same goes for everyone.

<edited to fix quote tags; was instantly after i posted>

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i've also got a question for Pim.

you declared your suspicion of IS for bandwaggoning you, then voted for him.

GreenCrayons did the same thing, but even more severe, as his was the fourth quick vote on you - much more dangerous - and yet you don't vote for him, or even FOS, or even begin to state any sort of suspicion.

why is this?

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one last little dig

when you voted for IS "on principle" the voting records were:

IS: 1st vote on Trevize, 3rd vote on Pim (reason given: to bandwagon)
GC: 4th vote on Pim, 3rd vote on TheAccountant (reason given: to bandwagon)

so if i'm looking to vote for a bandwaggoner, i should aim at whom?

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good lord.

7 left, of which two are likely mafia, and one serial killer.

this is -not- going well.

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well, this is kinda a pain in the ass.

the possibilities as of right now include:

1) the town lynches the mafia. this would mean the serial killer would win.

2) the town lynches the serial killer. this would mean the mafia would win.

3) no lynch. this would mean the town's only hope is that the mafia and serial killer night-kill one another (assuming random, that's 1/3 * 1/3 = 1/9 chance of winning)

4) dagnabbit. the town lynches a townie. the only hope is still that the mafia and serial killer off one another, but with 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4 chance of winning.

clearly we must lynch a townie, then.

run through the scenarios yourself. they're pretty clear.

unfortunately, the only person I am sure is townie is. . . myself. so I must be the sacrifice.

before I step into the noose, though, I will shed light upon one thing.

I am the cop.

due to the unfortunate deaths of everyone I have investigated, I can add no further info to the mix, but that's ok, since it really doesn't matter anymore.

if you *rolls eyes* need any proof, you can just wait until I am lynched.

and if you don't want to wait that long, well. . . I guess you'll just have to see the illogic of an having an evil role and commiting suicide, or the illogic of being a townie and lying about my role.

but I'm babbling now. not too surprizing, really. I've heard the nearness of death tends to do this sort of thing.

cheers.

Vote: casinopete

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if we get the mafia or SK, the other will make a night kill, leaving two alive.

since the remaining townie would not be able to get a lynch, the surviving evil player would night kill him the next night. since this is so obvious, normally the game doesn't even go through the motions. two left + one a killer = killer victory.

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all right.

no one's discussing anything, so clearly there's neither an alternative to my plan, nor interest in argument to sound out the remaining players.

which means I should be dead already.

whoever the other townie is, should vote for me immediately, to change our no chance of winning into slim chance.

and you baddies, if you wish to retain even the slightest shreds of townie mask, you'd better vote for me too.

there's

certainly

no point in delaying things any further.

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*sigh*

this is not a choice that should take three days to make.

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I ran across the pic by accident, and found it hilarious, as well as fairly appropriate. =)

Thank you for finally killing me. I welcome death's warm embrace.

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eep.

there were three mafia?

that did kinda put the town at a disadvantage.

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What kind of serial killer are you, anyway, IS? Why didn't you just off them both?

Or at least kill more of them earlier. Paragon, my foot.

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that really wasn't possible with two of the four remaining players being mafia, now was it?

*le sigh*

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umm.

my point was that there were TWO mafia left out of FOUR players.

very hard to get a majority against them in the voting.