Mini 1315 - Wizarding World Of Hiplop's Mafia Game!

[theamatuer]

Woo we're back.
I really don't want to download the pages though

[theamatuer]

yes

[theamatuer]

vote: 4nx

I don't think Descent's questions are very scummy, at least not the way 4nx makes it.
And his vote on ICE just feels like weak OMGUS

[theamatuer]

you can't prod me, it hasn't been 2 days yet
and I'm still waiting for 4nx's indepth on me and yates

[theamatuer]

@

vote: 4nx

I don't think Descent's questions are very scummy, at least not the way 4nx makes it.
And his vote on ICE just feels like weak OMGUS

@theam- Was the motive for this vote pre-crash? I'm not seeing 4nx call the questions scummy.

I can't remember as I don't have acess to the files. I do remember 4nx calling descent scum for the questions.
And it is also because of 4nx's OMGUS vote on ICEninja. I also like how he changes to me and yates when people call him out on it

[theamatuer]

And yet you vote him anyways?

[theamatuer]

Yes. However, if you think a person is not scummy, you should not vote for him. Why do you state you do not find 4nx to be scummy, yet vote him anyways? You also stated that Pez(kortul) is scummy in that very post, so why not vote him?

[theamatuer]

He replaced Rife

[theamatuer]

Shut up and do reasoning nowish

[theamatuer]

dayvig:rabbit

Seriously. Start playing the game

[theamatuer]

I agree with the above

If I wanted a wagon, I'd have voted descent along with everyone else there. 4nx is still scummy to me, and post 149 just makes his scumminess more obvious

[theamatuer]

Yo people, I'm Mindgamer and I'm replacing Norman in this game.

I haven't read the thread closely yet, but I'd like to get some impressions out ASAP.

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Kortul seems very towny to me. He's constantly asking questions and giving his opinion about the players, and consistently posting quality content. I like it!

Two other people caught my attention:

theamatuer: I didn't take a look at the archived files yet, but it seems the only person you have seriously attacked so far is 4anxi3ty. Your vote has been on him for a full week. But I don't see any substantial case from you. You disagree with him, you feel his vote is OMGUS and post 149 is obviously scummy... where is your reasoning? I'd like you to write down your thoughts on 4anxi3ty in more detail.

My reasoning is that 4nx attacked Descent in the beginning, then retracted it, then claimed Descent was newbtown and was defending him. when GreyICE pushed this, 4nx responding by voting him, but when people started pushing him on this, he immediately stopped that track and went on the people that pushed him. I'm decently sure 4nx is scum, and a 4nx/descent scumteam is also likely

[theamatuer]

So let's take a look at Pizza's scum reads:

4nx

: for bussing amateur. That's literally all of the reason he gives for saying 4nx is scum.

amateur

: for doing EXACTLY what Pizza has been doing, and for bussing 4nx.

Elmo

: for suddenly starting to play and pushing a case. For the record, I'm in another game with Elmo and he started being active at the exact same time in both games.

Kortul

: ???

Seriously, look at his "leaning scum" on Kortul. It looks like he's saying "looks town but could be sneaky scum". Seriously?

There is zero (count it, zero) justification in his entire post of ANY scum read, period. This is such a bad case of pretending to scum hunt, I can't even believe how easy he's making it for us.

Unvote, vote Pizzadudes7

. This is a vote to lynch.

I'm agreeing with ICEninja on this one. He automatically assumes me and 4nx are scum and bussing each other without any reasoning at all. And he says Descent is town for posting content, but says Kortul is scum for posting even more content. Seriously.

vote: pizza

[theamatuer]

Yeah thats definitely a gambit

[theamatuer]

A SK is more likely imo

[theamatuer]

^Oh hey. Scum ready to jump into SK-hunting. Where have I seen that before? Oh yeah. NY 142...where TheAm was obvscum.

To be fair, we assumed you were the opposite scumteams bulletproof, and we had ample evidence supporting it given to us by the rolecop.

And ICE hasn't expressed suspicion of gorckat, and if he did vig, he'd shoot descent, 4nx, or me as those would be the scumreads. So most likely scum 2/ SK/ vig

[theamatuer]

They can do anything the mod wants them to do, but they're usually all 1-shot abilities.

vote:4nx

[theamatuer]

BUST.
And slaandar's statement was misleading

[theamatuer]

@mod: I think some prods are due

[theamatuer]

actually, I might as well

@mod: I'm busy with tests and such, so I'll be V/LA till Friday. I don't have the time to be immersed in this game and mod my own at the same time now.

[theamatuer]

Hey, let's lynch the person who is V/LA and has no chance of defending himself! Surely that is the most protown thing to do and will not backfire on us in any way possible

[theamatuer]

2 words. Summer. Vacation.
Also, my next posts gonna be a huge one. With spoiler tags. Done hopefully by tomorrow.

[theamatuer]

Starting over from stratch......, btw the zip link for the pre-crash part is broken
ICEninja was definetly killed by maf(or third party SK, but same thing), any vig that would kill him is a bad vig or maf fakeclaiming vig. If so, then one of 4nx, Descent is probably maf (although as GreyICE was basically the secondmost town player here, everybody'd have reason enough to kill him.)
actually, ICE might have vigged gorkcat, like MOI said. Well anyways, we can tell for sure come D3 anyways.

Spoiler: ICE reads by everyone

4nx- scum, for not voting me, and because the link has holes in it, says Ice read is wavering day before lynch. Claims possibility of hider/ weak doc.
descent-says nothing, except for a "seems a bit off and grasping at straws" in post 195
tierce/Elmo- puts ICE as town right before the deadline, nothing else about ICE the same day except for idle talk
gorckat- Puts ICE as town, constant questioning, dead.
GNR/MOI- says nothing about ICE before death.
Kortul-slight town read
Mind- town, reminds people to read their ISO's
Pine- Nothing about ice.
Slaandar- Ice as town.
yates- null-town

If we can assume distancing, then decsent/elmo/4nx are the most suspicious people on that regard. Going to read Mindgamer as well (might just be paranoid, but scum might have killed ICE just to have us follow his read, which would be mostly or completely wrong. Just in case anywyas.). Going to do a few ISO’s on each of them.

[theamatuer]

Ok, finishing my read up until my replacement post –

Elmo’s Post 322 makes me even more confident about my read on his slot. Pushed a Policy / lurker attack Day 1 that resulted in a Town flip? Yes, what should I do next … I know … push another policy lynch for no reasons! Score!

Dislike Post 326 from Anx given he doesn’t go into why voting him over TheAm is suspect or not logical from a Town perspective.

And we have a second member of the “Kill it With Fire” brigade with this post. Jumping on a wagon with no explanation? Check. Second vote of the day within a page with no explanation? Check.

@Elmo – if you thought what you suggested in Post 333 was valid why didn’t you open the day with a vote for either one of them?

I have some issues with TheAm’s conclusions at Post 334 regarding who Ice suspected. Will review but based on my re-read Gorckat makes a very logical shot from JOAT ICEninja.

Post 336 strengthens prior relational reads I had regarding TheAm and Anxiety not being aligned.

Descent’s Post 339 is so scummy it hurts. He acknowledges that saying “ I want it later” is scummy but that’s hardly the worst part. He’s clearly not wanting to be on the Anx wagon which hints at inside knowledge or that if he is scum at least one partner is already there. The fence-sitting on TheAm also is totes scummy.

Slandaar quite nails it regarding Elmo in Post 344 IMO. What concerns me is the lack of vote that accompanies it. The immediate followup to chase Pine for spurious reasons (there are other better reasons to push Pine than activity which was clearly incorrect via looking at ISOs) also I find scummy.

Slandaar further degrades my weak Town read on him with Post 365. Scum clearly have motivation to try to make people look scummy using misleading or incorrect information. The constant refrain of “What’s the scum motivation” immediately after being proven to have done so is suspect.

Yates makes a pretty good catch regarding Slandaar’s “Pizza will flip Town” in Post 316.

I keep saying you say ‘Elmo is scummy’ but nothing backing it up of significance or any votes to go along with it. Post 398 follows up on this with a large case on Elmo yet no further vote. I can think of two reasons why scum-Slandaar would be doing this and zero Town reasons. We finally do see a vote at Post 404 but it is accompanied by a “chain lynch” move on Pine.

Descent’s prod-dodges and in doing so avoids commenting on the Slandaar / Yates / Pine back and forth and whether Elmo is scum.

@Kortul – After reading Post 412 my question to you is – if Elmo is scum who do you think his most likely partners are?

Anxiety’s Post 419 is bad. No Lynching Day 1 is the worst possible thing you can do. Even if you think it’s a mislynch. The ONLY reason you should vote someone to achieve a lynch Day 1 is if they are Aligment Confirmed via role to you, in which case you should never have let it get to that deadline point anyway.

Slandaar continues to focus on attacking others in very bad fashion. A Pine ‘lurking’ attack when he had posted at 417 while not pointing out that Elmo was lurking out pressure.

And in I come at post 437 …

Updated reads as of this point –

Scum

Elmo – rocketed to the top for reasons I will elaborate in a case in the next 48 hours.
Descent – play today has consisted of lurking out pressure
TheAm – play today continued my scum reads
Slandaar – jumps to the top of list if Elmo is scum.
Pine – Only makes sense if Slandaar and TheAm are both Town

Town –

Mindgamer
Yates
Kortul

I’ll give my responses to things since I replaced in in my next post.

UNVOTE: Descent
VOTE: Elmo

We probably have 3 scum left, so if you want to lynch me, go ahead if your fine with starting from LYLO.
Anyways, theres probably 1 scum in the town section, 1 scum in the obvscum being bussed, and one in the conditional scums. Also 4nx is placed null as well
So its probably elmo/pine/kortul OR slaandar/kortul/4nx

[theamatuer]

No wait we have an SK. There is no way a vig would kill MoI, given everyones read on MoI(unless its slaandar)
so.... most likely 2 scum left + an SK. In that case, one of the town and one of the scum in that list scum. Personally, its
So elmo and mindgame/kortul

[theamatuer]

oh.....
Well then

vote: slandaar

[theamatuer]

From the looks of it, he had a 4nx inno though

[theamatuer]

Compared to every f****** body else?
He was way too lurky to grab my attention, and as slandaar said, his reads were all over the place. Scum might have had a rolecop, or they saw mastin replacing in and panicked to kill him. Descent would definitely be on the "leave till later as mislynch" list

[theamatuer]

Updated reads as of this point –

Scum

Elmo – rocketed to the top for reasons I will elaborate in a case in the next 48 hours.
Descent – play today has consisted of lurking out pressure
TheAm – play today continued my scum reads
Slandaar – jumps to the top of list if Elmo is scum.
Pine – Only makes sense if Slandaar and TheAm are both Town

Town –

Mindgamer
Yates
Kortul

I’ll give my responses to things since I replaced in in my next post.

UNVOTE: Descent
VOTE: Elmo

These are MoI's final reads prior to death, minus 4nx (who being a dead cop's inno, can be safely excluded at this point)
Assume There are 2 scum left and a SK. MoI would most likely put 1 scum in the SCUM section and 1 scum in the town section (If 2 in town, the town section would definetly be suspected, and a 66% of getting scum. If both scum, its slandaar/pine anyways so yeah.) Now check the wording of the slandaar read

Slandaar – jumps to the top of list if Elmo is scum.

So Slandaar is definitely scum if Elmo is scum, but MoI already knew Elmo would flip town. So what about if Elmo flipped town? MoI would "grudgingly" put him at null-town and then continue with the most popular lynches (descent and me.). So yeah.
I have no idea who in the town part would be scum though. but first thing first, slandaar

[theamatuer]

discover what?
And to be honest, at that point in the game, no one was going to even vote on MoI. Much less vig him. The possibility of an SK was only brought up by me and elmo, who was lynched for assuming that

[theamatuer]

It was different circumstances. We KNEW that you were the SK by N2. We weren't trying to find SK. We knew who SK was and tried to get him lynched.

[theamatuer]

Btw this was all in NY142

[theamatuer]

TheAm, I knew you were scum Day One. I even tried to kill you for it N1, but got roleblocked. The fact that I was a SK instead of the Vig I was trying to pass myself off as is wholly irrelevant to your meta, and the mere fact that you bring it up as a distraction/discrediting tactic just confirms to me that I'm on the right track.

No it isn't. The fact that we knew you were the SK was. It wasn't SK hunting. It was SK LYNCHING

[theamatuer]

Goddamnit why am I so busy over spring break
Hopefully something by tomorrow

[theamatuer]

I'm not claiming till you agree to be third.

[theamatuer]

Why would I claim second or third?

Does not make sense

im town.

Look, if you dont agree to that, I'm refusing to claim.
And if I dont claim, the massclaim can't start, so there.
Stop being a prick about it. The 2 Main suspects you have still go before you

[theamatuer]

I didn't say Pine/slandaar btw. I just said Slandaar was probably scum and someone from MoI's townlist is probably scum

[theamatuer]

theamatuer, your logic about words of MoI is faulty.

Scum

Elmo – rocketed to the top for reasons I will elaborate in a case in the next 48 hours.
Descent – play today has consisted of lurking out pressure
TheAm – play today continued my scum reads
Slandaar – jumps to the top of list if Elmo is scum.

It means that when Elmo flips scum, Slandaar would just remain simple scum for MoI, not go back to town section. Not sure whether that changes your suspicions or not, though.

Maybe, but MoI's main backbone for Slaandar is Elmo flipping scum. Elmo flipping town would cause his case to weaken severly. Why would he do that on purpose if he knew Elmo would flip town?
Also, His read on Pine is suspicious. Why does he put it as "Only makes sense if Slandaar and TheAm are both Town ", when his bussing case of Slandaar on Elmo could easily make as much sense with Pine?

[theamatuer]

You trying to secretively push my lynch, knowing 4nx will quickhammer before any connections can be learned from it

[theamatuer]

I think we all know the ending so it's pretty anticlimactic.

Yep.
Lynch Yates tomorrow plz

[theamatuer]

^liar

[theamatuer]

Lynch Yates tomorrow plz

If you're Town I will self-vote.

Liar
Also bah

[theamatuer]

WOO MY FIRST VICTORY.
Also I seem to find a inverse relationship with town winning and how hard I try >.>

[theamatuer]

I don't LOOK scummy.
I am the scummiest person on the site

[theamatuer]

MAGNAOF EVOLUTION!!!!