Mini 1337 - Elite Mafia (Game Over)

[Arugula]

I'm guessing you want us to answer those.

1. I prefer town. I always think it's fun trying to find scum rather than trying to make others seem scummy, but I do enjoy scum as well.
2. Uh, this is my 5th game on here.
3. My timezone is EST. I post very often.

VOTE: TeChNoWC because I don't like names that have LeTtErS lIkE tHiS.

[Arugula]

unvote vote milk

Why?

[Arugula]

unvote, vote: milk

if he's scum, arugula is too. seacore is town.
discuss.

Why do you draw that conclusion?

And are you saying that Seacore is town if Milk is scum or Seacore is town regardless?

[Arugula]

How was I diluting the argument? I just wanted to know why you were voting for Milk, (since your post contained no reasoning) which you explained now. That's it.

And roflcopter's "he's scum if he's scum and he's town" bit is not reliable at all two pages in without a flip.

[Arugula]

I did read the thread. I can't read your mind, so excuse me if I didn't know why you voted Milk. You could have pointed out what you didn't like about his answer or something besides an empty vote.

Stop assuming that I haven't read the game. I have.

[Arugula]

He just replaced in.

[Arugula]

He replaced in 3 days after it started, given that we just had a weekend, that's basically the start of the game. He shouldn't complain about people being inactive if he hasn't added much content himself.

Are you going to contribute anything except defending others?

Are you going to contribute anything except for attacking others for reasons that don't add anything to the game?

arugula what are your top two scum reads?

Honestly, I don't really know at this point. My top town reads are HumblePoirot and Seacore, but I don't really have scumreads yet.

@HumblePoirot
I only defended absta because he just replaced in a day ago and was being criticized for not being active.
I haven't really picked up on much that is scummy, so scum hunting has been hard for me this game. Usually, there is

something

I can find to pick apart, but so far nothing has really alerted me.

[Arugula]

Oh context wise. I kinda took out the Seacore/Humble town read off my notes without pasting the reasoning.

Key town tells from these players from my notes

Seacore - Engaging arguments. Still waiting on meta research results but will expect them shortly.
Humble - Key town tell is the research done on Bork aside from the questioning that I like to see. But the research shows passionate townie actions.

Tl;dr, basic scum hunting 101 overall.

^^^THIS

That is why Seacore and Humble are my town tells as well. I am also adding you to that list for pointing that out.

@Sensfan

Why are roflcopter and MormonCoffee your top town suspects?

[Arugula]

First, to everyone. It's Arugula, no Aragula.

I will attempt to build a more solid read on everyone. Though, I don't expect to find much from the ISOs as the game is just getting started.
Anyway...

Aragula

Nothing too important to get from him atm. The only thing I could find was that him and seacore have developed an awkward relationship. If in the future one of them suspects the other, it might be based on their emotions more than actual tells. This is most likely not the case however, as Aragula has a town read on seacore.
@Aragula
I would like to know who your scum reads are. I know that you don't have any scum reads so far. Though, If you look harder, i'm sure you'll find something.
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My top scumread is Tech. He attacks anyone who finds faults in his posts (DTMaster, Humble who are on my town reads) and automatically links them together. I would like to use one of his posts to ask him some questions.

On what do you basis do you make this assumption? And how could you possibly of three pages of posts? Do you assume that anyone that defends anyone is buddying and therefore scum buddies?

Change the page number to six.

Phenanas, Milk, URoE, SensFan and Mormon need to post more for me to get a read on them.

[Arugula]

Uh, I never connected DT and Humble together, if you skimmed through all our posts and looked at my last line like Thomith seemed to do, you would have missed that the crux of my post was SARCASM. The ONLY indication I made ANYWHERE that they might be linked is that Humble seemed to be bias and giving DT hints on how to play.

If you actually read the thread, DT was the one making claims that I was linked to roflcopter, so on your reasoning I ABSOLUTELY EXPECT that DT should be one of your top scumreads, since that's the treatment your giving me. Recant on it, and your being biased scum.

Is sarcasm your lean to for everything? When you say something sarcastic, you should put [/sarcasm] or something at the end of it.

And you did make an indication where they are linked, so your point is moot anyway.

I did read the thread, thank you very much. And yes, DT was make claims that you and roflcopter were linked, but his reasoning didn't seem OMGUS, unlike yours. You only linked people who were attacking you.

[Arugula]

What do you want me to reply to?
Also stop saying Aragula on purpose. It's Arugula,

[Arugula]

I understand your point about alliances, but since when is there an alliance? If you are talking about me, Seacore, DT, and Humble, Seacore and I had a little argument before and they all don't feel I'm overwhelmingly town apparently.

And I see that DT linked you and rofl, and it is scummy, but your linking of DT and Humble seemed more OMGUS rather than logic.

[Arugula]

Seacore did say that, but it is still not a full fledged voting alliance that is wiping out players. They don't always agree with one another either.

[Arugula]

Seacore did say that, but it is still not a full fledged voting alliance that is wiping out players. They don't always agree with one another either.

No you're right it's not, but it's still a concern of mine; like I said scum can lurk in it. Either way, we are getting too bogged down in discussion about alliances when we should be focusing on finding scum.

You said you found DT's reasoning scummy. Do you think he is scum or town?

What do you think of roflcopter's vote on me? Read my analysis post on it.

What do you think of the case on Sensfan? Does he seem scummy to you?

Anyone else seem particularly scummy?

I have to go right now but I will answer these questions later.

[Arugula]

Seacore did say that, but it is still not a full fledged voting alliance that is wiping out players. They don't always agree with one another either.

No you're right it's not, but it's still a concern of mine; like I said scum can lurk in it. Either way, we are getting too bogged down in discussion about alliances when we should be focusing on finding scum.

You said you found DT's reasoning scummy. Do you think he is scum or town?

What do you think of roflcopter's vote on me? Read my analysis post on it.

What do you think of the case on Sensfan? Does he seem scummy to you?

Anyone else seem particularly scummy?

I think DT is town because of this: (which I was literally about to point out before he said)

Oh context wise. I kinda took out the Seacore/Humble town read off my notes without pasting the reasoning.

Key town tells from these players from my notes

Seacore - Engaging arguments. Still waiting on meta research results but will expect them shortly.
Humble - Key town tell is the research done on Bork aside from the questioning that I like to see. But the research shows passionate townie actions.

Tl;dr, basic scum hunting 101 overall.

That doesn't confirm him town by any means, but he seems town so far besides his linkage of you and rofl (which after writing this post, doesn't make sense at all).

I actually missed rolfcopter's vote on you. Thanks for pointing that out. That is a very scummy vote. His only reasoning is that he thinks you are "more likely to hit scum". How? I don't know. This post by rofl was also scummy:

unvote, vote: milk

if he's scum, arugula is too. seacore is town.
discuss.

@mormon, is there anyone you think has done anything scummy? you seem like you're trying to avoid concrete suspicions, opting rather to go rng or, when forced to choose, picking lurkers (lack of content) instead of analyzing anyone's actual content.

Someone may have said this already, but he makes random accusations with no reasoning and then tells us to discuss it. What did he expect us to say?

SensFan has done pretty much nothing. He has had six posts.

Was away for the long weekend. Sorry. Catching up now.

Pointless, but ok.

Okay. So the RQS was a complete waste of time and probably helped contribute to the fact this game is fairly inactive. I doubt there's much to gain about alignments from either the Milk/Seacore or the Arugula/Seacore spats. The fact that Seacore is common to both might be relevant, though.

He says that there might be something relevant, but doesn't bother to pursue it or give reasons why or do any scumhunting really.

sens name the person you think is most likely town

Can I give two? You and Coffee.

He gives no reasons for his town reads.

Humble Poirot and DTM, I can answer both of your questions together. I frankly don't think that there's been a whole lot in this game that is telling of alignment. I certainly never meant to imply that I had any sort of read on Seacore; it's significant but I don't know how or why yet. All I know is that when the only things of note in 4 pages are two fairly inconsequential spats, it's worth noting if the same person is involved in both.

He again does not pursue his reasoning against Seacore.

unvote Vote sensfan

this is totally enough to vote for.
"interesting" "significant" "worth noting" these are terms of somebody who is trying to fling mud and look like they're scum hunting without getting involved.

If something doesn't help you determine alignment, it's not worth noting.

That's insanely dumb on so many levels. By your logic, meta analysis is worthless, since everything you know about someone from previous games doesn't directly tell you their alignment in this game. I didn't say that it would

never

help me with any alignments, but that it doesn't at this point.

@Sensfan
Seacore beat me to the punch but I don't see how significant does not equate to an alignment read. I don't get it. It's like you're framing for the bussing argument but there's no punch line. Also town reads when you admitted that there isn't a lot to make alignment calls? CONTRADICTION GALORE.

Again, I never said it wouldn't be significant at some point; just that I don't have anything to say about it right now. As for the town reads, I was asked for the people I thought were most likely to be Town. I never said I have good Town reads- I don't.

This post consists him defending himself and putting down his own reads.

Huh, but doesn't that mean you have some sense of reasoning to pick those two players from the rest to answer Rofl's question?

Very small reasons, but they were the best I had at the time. As I said, I didn't think there was a whole lot to go on.

Again, he puts down his own reasons.

SensFan sure is scummy, but he hasn't posted enough for me to put a vote on him and expect him to respond to it.

Because of this post actually, I will
UNVOTE: Tech
VOTE: Roflcopter
He voted Tech for no reason, gave random scenarios that made no sense, and asked a bunch of questions that he never followed up on. It seems that he is trying to go with the flow and make it look like he is scumhunting.

[Arugula]

I said it twice and it's mostly if people want to search for my name.

Top scumreads:

Roflcopter and SensFan. You can refer to 195 to see why.

[Arugula]

You already explained SensFan and Tech, but why me?

[Arugula]

top 2 scumreads:
roflcopter - for what i thought was a slip but was told by a few players i was wrong, however i still find it iffy
tech - some of the things he says just seems waaay off, and i don't like the way he dismisses some things he gets questions about as "sarcasm"

@seacore, but i dont like that logic, if you have a lot of iffy people on a wagon doesn't it make you think you could be making a wrong move?

This is horrible reasoning.

Roflcopter is scummy, but not for those reasons.

I agree about the sarcasm bit, but the first point can apply to literally everyone.

[Arugula]

Seacore is my top scumread.
Milk is second.

Why?

Again, you don't explain things. Is Seacore your top scumread because he thinks you're scummy?

[Arugula]

This is ridiculous.
UNVOTE: rofl
VOTE: SensFan
He's refusing to explain himself and his reads and is not helping the town at all.

At least rofl has his random questions that spur a little discussion.

[Arugula]

SensFan, claim. Now.

[Arugula]

VOTE: absta101

The fact that he said roleblocker is what gets me. I would assume that scum targeted someone who was protected by a doctor, as would nearly everyone. It's like he knew the scum member was roleblocked.

[Arugula]

#437 looks like scum covering their ass when their wagon flips town, dont see the point in stating that UN, care to explain?

Arugula, how would scum know that?

I thought people were notified when they were roleblocked...

I guess not.
UNVOTE: absta101
VOTE: IceGuy

His defense of SensFan was scummy. As others have stated, he was trying to get town points by defending him knowing that he would flip town. There was nothing that could really lead anyone to believe SensFan was town either.

[Arugula]

@Humble: Because little scummy dickheads have jumped on me as town before when I have said 'such and such is my strongest townread' or 'such and such is the most obvitown' with the retort 'Oh, so you don't think YOU are town? Obviscum slip vote vote vote'.

I don't like this post. How you said, "have jumped on me as town" seems forced and unnatural. If you get rid of "as town", it flows easier. I just don't like the way that sounds.

I also don't like how you jumped off IceGuy's wagon right after the claim. No one would have hammered until more discussion ensued, and it felt like you were waiting for any excuse to hop off.

Frankly, I don't believe IceGuy's claim and I think absta is scum as well. Techno is becoming more scummy, though.

[Arugula]

Yeah I did. Even knowing his claim as a 1 shot watcher. I figured hey let's line up absta for today and ice tomorrow. Make it simple. And tbh it's easy to see why absta died.

Did he say he was going to claim that in the QT on N1?

[Arugula]

I don't really see that post as a breadcrumb that he hid behind DT either.

[Arugula]

Actually, you're right Junpei. Nice job. I would have never found that.

Junpei is town.

VOTE: DTMaster

[Arugula]

DT is at L-1. I suggest you claim, DT.

[Arugula]

I agree with an Elmo lynch but I don't want to put him at L-1 four posts into the day.

[Arugula]

Can you give some reasons for someone else to be lynched?

[Arugula]

I read that, but if Thomith isn't scum, wouldn't they keep you alive so you can push his lynch? I guess it's WIFOM, but I'm pretty sure either Elmo or Thomith (and possibly Uber, but probably not) is the last scum member.

Thomith is scummier, but the fact that you (rofl) weren't the NK makes me doubt it a little.

[Arugula]

Now that I think about it, I was keeping my vote off thomith because of Junpei's death, but if he killed rofl, he would have looked even worse.

VOTE: Thomith

Thomith is scummier than Elmo.

I am pretty sure that Thomith or Elmo is the last scum. Here's my list from town to scum:

Town

roflcopter
Humble Poirot
UberNinja
Elmo
Thomith

Scum

[Arugula]

Yeah, that was a really scummy hammer. And he suggested that we lynch rofl, who is confirmed town.

[Arugula]

I'm a VT.

I think Uber is the last scum, but I'm not confident enough to place my vote yet. I want to see his and Elmo's claims.

[Arugula]

Well someone may vote along with me and then scum can hammer if we are not voting for them. And I'm still unsure about you or Uber, but I'm leaning more towards Uber.

[Arugula]

Wow Uber. I read all of those posts and they were pretty great. If you are scum, you deserve to win for doing that last attempt at fake scumhunting.

VOTE: Elmo Teh Azn

*crosses fingers*

I do feel good about this vote though.

I either won the game or lost to an admirable player.

[Arugula]

I was prodded. Nice. I play to my town meta and going to lose because of it >_>
wow if you can't see how UN is driving town toward a loss gfg

That makes me feel even more confident. It sounds like you purposely played to your town meta to seem town.

@rofl
You are correct. Uber is by no means perfect town, but Elmo is scummier.

[Arugula]

Tick-Tock-Tick-Tock

[Arugula]

Unless you have incontrovertible proof that Uber is scum, probably not. I'm pretty confident that Elmo is the last scum member.

[Arugula]

Yes! I didn't think I would pull it off. Great game guys. Great modding, snifit.

I think this is the first game a vote was never placed on me.

[Arugula]

Well done Arugula.

Why did you not just hammer UN though?

To rub it in their faces

[Arugula]

Here the scum QT if anyone wants. It has a whopping 26 posts in it.

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/WvAYJBQUns9

[Arugula]

I like the traitor role. It keeps the scum from being too powerful and I was always worrying about being NK'd, which would have been devastating. I think it worked well in this setup.

My strategy early on was lay low, buddy a little bit with DT and Mormon, and don't come of as a PR. I didn't do that though, and I was surprised they thought I was one. Luckily they didn't kill me.

If Seacore didn't die as early as he did, I would have been done. I also wanted to ignore the Seacore crumb that Junpei pointed out, but it was too good.

When DT was lynched, I thought I was done for. Thomith was quicklynched and I had to decide between killing rofl and Humble. (I would have killed rofl the night after he was confirmed, but I kept thinking there was a doctor) I decided to kill Humble because it would make Uber look worse and he would be easy lynchbait.

I really should have hammered Uber, but I thought it was entertaining how he kept saying be the hero and talking about how bad Elmo was as scum.

I really enjoyed this game.