mini 1340 ENDGAME

[MonkeyMan576]

/confirm

vote:jee

[MonkeyMan576]

Unvote:
Vote: Smooth Criminal

I hate self voters.

[MonkeyMan576]

Vote: MonkeyMan576

He seems pretty biased with his hatred of self-voters.

Of course I'm biased, in favor of wanting the town to win!

[MonkeyMan576]

Hmm... Sounds legit.

Unvote: MonkeyMan576

You are very easily swayed... This seems like a super early bus to me...

UNVOTE; VOTE: Dannflor

Lol, that would only be the dummest thing ever on day one.

[MonkeyMan576]

Defending your scum buddy. Classic.

this is based on what, or are you just talking out of your ass? I thought so.

[MonkeyMan576]

LOL

Monkey's reaction was horrible. I'll jump on Dann if nothing gets started on Monkey.

Stop with the faux policy lynch talk, please. If you want me lynched because I'm me, just say so and don't make crap up.

[MonkeyMan576]

No Monkey, you're actually scummy. If I really wanted to PL you I could.

Show where being against self voting leads to being scum in other games.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think the unvote is a little bit defensive(indicating scum), but I'm still more weary of the self vote at this point.

FOS: Dannflor

[MonkeyMan576]

I am starting to think dann may just be excited newb (like me!)

monkey's the scummier of the two

UNVOTE: Dannflor
VOTE: MonkeyMan576

What did I do that was scummy, exactly?

[MonkeyMan576]

I'll respond to the text wall later, but I'm town. It seems my biggest crime is responding to more than one issue and having multiple opinions. I don't have time to respond to everything, but I will later.

[MonkeyMan576]

dann very well maybe scum too but monkey is where its at right now...i'm telling you

My wagon is composed of two people I've fingered as supsicious, kondi(who hasn't liked me from the start for some reason), and an overzealous newb. I'm not to worried, and this wagon is not as formiddable as you make it seem. I'll have a full response in 30-60 minutes.

[MonkeyMan576]

post 81, TheTrollie"]

Vote: MonkeyMan576

He seems pretty biased with his hatred of self-voters.

Of course I'm biased, in favor of wanting the town to win!

Over-explaining. Dann was being silly, his statement about bias was meaningless but monkey responded with a just as meaningless plug for himself as pro-town

I am pro town. And it wasn't meaningless, I was pointing out that everyone is biased, which is a fair point to someone that says that you're biased.

Hmm... Sounds legit.

Unvote: MonkeyMan576

You are very easily swayed... This seems like a super early bus to me...

UNVOTE; VOTE: Dannflor

Lol, that would only be the dummest thing ever on day one.

Vague as to what he thinks would be dumb but as others said this sounds like Monkey’s defense against dann bussing. Even if dann isn’t scum, if monkey were scum he would not want to be attached to any bussing claims.

Town want to be attached to bussing claims then? This is a rediculous argument.

Defending your scum buddy. Classic.

this is based on what, or are you just talking out of your ass? I thought so.

When jee brings this up, calls monkey scum, monkey gets aggressive for the first time in the game. His other posts are lighthearted and silly, but now he gets super defensive.

It's hardly defensive. I was merely pointing out the obvious in that it's way too early to label someone as 100% scum at this point, and that yes, he was, in fact, talking out of his ass.

LOL

Monkey's reaction was horrible. I'll jump on Dann if nothing gets started on Monkey.

Stop with the faux policy lynch talk, please. If you want me lynched because I'm me, just say so and don't make crap up.

Kondi references the reaction, monkey says don’t PL me. Very random, trying to cloud the reasoning against him and let it slide as a dumb PL decision when the scumread was well warranted.

It's not random, again, Kondi mentioned in his first post that I should be lynched. Misrepresentation.

No Monkey, you're actually scummy. If I really wanted to PL you I could.

Show where being against self voting leads to being scum in other games.

Again, now monkey jumps to self-voting as the reason kondi thinks he is scum. Kondi referenced MM’s reaction, not his stance on self-votes

Either way, he didn't point to anything specifically scummy about my reaction, and it seems that he is just trying to follow up on his RVS vote with a non-RVS attack.

I think the unvote is a little bit defensive(indicating scum), but I'm still more weary of the self vote at this point.

FOS: Dannflor

All of the sudden he states his support for the unvote argument. Prior to this he posted that he thought the idea of bussing like that on D1 was dumb, but he doesn’t label dann scum for it until this post, after many other people started voting dann

I'm still not entirely sure Dann is scum, but I see the logic in being suspicious of his defensivenes and backtracking. So, reflecting on something before you form an opinion on it and not posting on everything that comes up immediately is pro-town, in my opinion, and not scummy.

[MonkeyMan576]

RVS is random voting stage.

[MonkeyMan576]

Kondi and Trollie are really overeager. Kondi's overeager in a more pro-town nature, likely, but Trollie seems desperate to get someone lynched besides him.

[MonkeyMan576]

How do we even know there is a vig in the game?

[MonkeyMan576]

I could be convinced to go for an Arugula lynch.

Why are you so keen to defend Trollie and attack me? It's funny how you make these blanket statements about people's alignment without backing any of it up.

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay enough is enough. Quicklynching is scummy.

unvote:
Vote: Thetrollie

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah you know, I want scum to be lynched instead of town, go figure.

[MonkeyMan576]

Lol, you accusing me of tunneling, what a laugh.

[MonkeyMan576]

the second part of that I already responded to

I said we vig him if our reads on him keep changing/he becomes unreadable. read what I said again-this is another example of Arugula trying to make a case on me by misinterpreting what I said

on my phone right now btw so not able to make very substantive posts

All this vig talk makes me think you know we have a vig somehow.

[MonkeyMan576]

Wow the town is sure dumb for falling forkondi and trollies trap.

[MonkeyMan576]

Okay enough is enough. Quicklynching is scummy.

unvote:
Vote: Thetrollie

Um... you sure are quick to get the suspicion off you. Who's quick lynching now Monkey?

I say quicklymching is scummy and you say I am quicklynching for...placing a vote? Good reasoning.

[MonkeyMan576]

hahaha that fake town post was so fail since it implies you are not "the town"

Twisting words much? Saying the town is acting dumb does not indicate alignment, since obviously, I would not vote for myself, even if I were scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm just saying your accusing Trollie of placing a vote on you or Arugula, and then you accuse him of quick lynching.

What trap is that Monkey? Care to elaborate?

The trap that kondi has been gunning for me since post 1 and trollie has been following him like a good little sheep.

[MonkeyMan576]

So you're saying I'm scum and my plan this whole time has been to trap you into doing scummy things without actually doing anything?

Even without all of the flaws in that, it would be much more simple to buddy you until endgame.

uh...no. Word twisting and leading statements galore.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm saying you and trollie are scumbuddies or just very stupid.

[MonkeyMan576]

Monkey, you seem to be pointing out that everyone is twisting your words, when as far as I can see, they aren't. It's kind of a feeble excuse.

He said that I was admitting to doing scummy things, which I wasn't.

[MonkeyMan576]

Monkey, Trollie did not say you admitted to being scummy. He said your post IMPLIED you were scum.

That's not how I read it.

[MonkeyMan576]

Sorry for that last post, faulty connection.

He said "hahaha that fake town post was so fail since it implies you are not "the town"". He said it implies you are not town. Not that "You admit that you're not town! haha". You are twisting his words.

Its basically the same thing.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm the town two shot vigilante.

[MonkeyMan576]

Trollie is sounding nervous.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not obligated to kill who you want.

For example, you say kill kondi, I kill trollie.

You say kill smooth criminal, I kill trollie.

[MonkeyMan576]

Awww, it's past trollies bedtime I think.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yes, once I kill trollie tonight.

serioisly though, if there is something worth talking about, I'll give my opinion. Day 1 is mostly people overexxagerating their cases.

[MonkeyMan576]

Wow thats a bunch of bs kondi. You just don't know when to give up.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm sorry I raged on you last night, dicknose. You're right. VOTE: Monkey

But I DO have a tough time with putting my reasoning into words. I think Trollie has said most of everything that sums up why Monkey is scum.

Kondi and Trollie agreeing with each other on EVERYTHING is exactly why anybody needs to be suspicious of anything they say.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm fine with Trollie, kondi, or SC(in that order, preferably)

[MonkeyMan576]

I hate self voters.

Unvote:
Vote: Smooth Criminal

[MonkeyMan576]

I bet.

Vote: Kondi

I saved my vig by the way, because I figured I'd be roleblocked and it would be a waste this early in the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

Although I can see why scum wouldn't want that.

[MonkeyMan576]

I want trollie to bus his scum buddy.

[MonkeyMan576]

Argie, arguing with your opponents doesn't get you anywhere, you and him are about as far apart on the town scum spectrum as you can get.

[MonkeyMan576]

Fine. One scum is as good as the other.

Unvote:
Vote: thetrollie

[MonkeyMan576]

I was thinking about shooting kondi but thought better of it once trollie flipped town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Lurking.

[MonkeyMan576]

I think IS and TvK had been more active...as far as Iknal, I had to choose someone.

[MonkeyMan576]

What's the case on IS?

[MonkeyMan576]

Oh yeah I forgot that Trollie was the most obvious looking townie ever.

Not to everyone on the bandwagon, including me.

You conveniently managed to disbelieve Monkey's claims.

Again, there were quite a few people who did that.

Ignored the whole GF situation.

Not sure what you are referring to here.

And then played dumb when the scummiest townie known to man got lynched.

So you are referring to his voting history then?

[img]And%20I%20hasten%20to%20add%20have%20done%20nothing%20all%20game.[/img]

Isn't that a bit harsh?

I'm not sure why you just didn't focus on the voting history, which is strong enough in and of itself, rather than manufacture the other parts of your case.

But I'm leaning towards an IS vote at this point.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not entirely trusting kondi's reads at this point of the game.

Vote: CodeX

His logic and casebuilding have been pretty bad.

[MonkeyMan576]

His case is basically if a=town then b=scum, if b=town then a=scum. Not entirely strong imho.

[MonkeyMan576]

So yeah TvK/IS gogogo

You know that's the same thing you did when you started my wagon right?

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah. Why does that matter?

Because it looks like AtE.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of AtE

At any rate, it doesn't look like you are trying to rush a lynch rather than using good logic.

[MonkeyMan576]

*does look rather.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm pretty sure there are some scum on this IC wagon. It doesn't look like a town lynch to me based on the weak arguments. There are a couple people that have been making especially weak arguments, namely Code X and kondi. Going after the "obviously guilty" hasn't produced fruitful results, so it makes sense to me to look at who people that are trying to lead these weak wagons might be trying to protect.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't trust them because you have been trying to lead the town, which is great if you are catching scum, but you're not.

[MonkeyMan576]

Nope, I'm saying kondi isn't playing a pro town game, so it makes more sense to go against what he is saying rather than for it.

[MonkeyMan576]

Your case against me is pretty much built on sand. And you still don't believe Monkey's claim. Monkey what do you make of that?

Doesn't really bother me, I think he is just being defensive because he is at L 1. I don't think he's stupid enough to antagonize a potential hammer vote.

[MonkeyMan576]

And you know Monkey your accusing me of doing something you actually did towards Trollie.

What am i accusing you of?

[MonkeyMan576]

As far I can see your vote is on me because of logic and bad case building.

Which is something your doing on me. At least put an actual case together - based on previous days and other players. Ignore today.

No, not at all, there is a difference between bad case building and avoiding building a case. No one has put together a solid case on anyone, so attacking others for "doing the same thing as someone else" seems pointless to me. Going based on voting history and general behavior doesn't require huge posting trees to build a case.

[MonkeyMan576]

So I'm going to ignore Monkey for the rest of this game.

This is just like the stupid comment that you made earlier in the game about quitting or lynching yourself or whatever. It does not make you look more pro-town.

[MonkeyMan576]

Slandaar, the benefits of claiming Mason beat the benefits of not claiming.

You know your OMGUS makes you look even more guilty, right?

[MonkeyMan576]

I could go for IS or Code X, not Dann. I don't think "being a follower" constitutes being scummy. I'd prefer Code X over IS.

[MonkeyMan576]

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I think the case on you has already been covered. Your casebuilding has been crappy.

However, I just relooked over the day one voting trends. It looks like SC and IS were the last one's off my wagon. That's pretty telling. Now I'm kinda torn between all three.

[MonkeyMan576]

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I think the case on you has already been covered. Your casebuilding has been crappy.

However, I just relooked over the day one voting trends. It looks like SC and IS were the last one's off my wagon. That's pretty telling. Now I'm kinda torn between all three.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't like the dann wagon because kondi, and tvk the lurker are on it, in all honesty.

[MonkeyMan576]

I suppose if no one else is going to change, we are going to have to go with Dann.

Unvote:
Vote: Dann

[MonkeyMan576]

lol @ Code_X trying to force a no lynch. Obvscum?

[MonkeyMan576]

So there's only two people that you would vote for?

[MonkeyMan576]

I think a code_x/kondi scumteam actually looks solid at this point. Their hyper posting at this point in the day and lack of cohesiveness does not look good for them.

Unvote:
Vote: Code_X

[MonkeyMan576]

So there are 2 scum and 3 town right? Obvlylo.

vote IS

He was a suspect before, his investigation of the dead townie is convinient and his insistance that he's not open to discussion is not pro town.

Do you have any othet investigation results btw?

[MonkeyMan576]

So the only people you investigated magically died the night you investigated them? You don't even have the creativity to make up fake night results?

[MonkeyMan576]

last time I checked Code-x is alive. You claiming yesterday would have definately helped us decide who to lynch. The only reason I can think of that you didn't is you're lying.

[MonkeyMan576]

Your argument makes no sense. Everyone you've investigated is mysteriously dead except Code_X, who you evidently thought was dead and then changed your mind and decided that you have a guilty result on, but didn't say anything when the town was in a critical situation. This is so convoluted the odds of it being true are so remote it's not even worth thinking about.

I am going to have to iso you because none of this makes sense from a pro-town perspective.

[MonkeyMan576]

My bad, I didn't see where you had said you had investigated kondi. It doesn't make you any less scummy. Here is my ISO, my apologies for it's length, I wanted it to be thorough, since I haven't been good at providing in depth analysis thus far:

Day 1

Code X votes internet stranger

Atlas blade votes internet stranger

Code X unvotes IS, votes SC

jee votes internet stranger

#116: IS votes me and mentions a possible dann/monkey connection.
Looking back, there is a connection, but we are both town.

#123: IS provides a psychoanalysis of me and Dann.

#135: Trollie says he is "leaning town" on IS.


#147: Trollie is still "leaning town" on IS.

#170: IS is doing more psychoanalyzing.

#259: IS does nothing for about 3 pages, then says the vig claim
is "horrible" and that I need to be lynched.

#277: IS keeps his vote on atlasblade while I am at L-1, although
he claims I "need to be lynched."

#298: Arugula has a "null read" on IS.

#300: Code_X argues in favor of refocusing attention away from me,
while IS is insisting I need to be lynched. This suggests they are
not on the same team.

#327: Vote count. Much discussion on my scumminess, but IS still
has his vote on atlasblad.

#409: Arugula is the first to vote on the SC wagon.

#426: Dannflor goes on the SC wagon.

#437: jee notes IS has not said much.

#444: Code_x joins the SC lynch

#445: Dannflor joins the SC lynch

#446: I join the SC lynch

#454: SC votes me as he goes L1

#470: jee joins SC wagon. IS and SC are both voting for me at this time.

#478: kondi hammers SC.
--------------------

Night 1: IS claims to have investigated Arugula. Reasoning:
Random night 1 pick.

---------------------

Day 2

#534: IS doesn't show up until page 3 in day 2. He wonders how
SC ended up being scum.

#551: kondi has, surprise, a null read on IS, but vote's him
anyways, noting his possible connection with TvK.

#573: TvK has IS "leaning scum", along with Atlas, Iknal, and
trollie.

#576: IS asks if anyone has been avoiding the MM/SC discussion
entirely.

#578: IS suggests focusing on people SC didn't interact with.

#589: Trollie votes IS, noting his tunneling on me.

#605: Code X builds a trollie case and says "he needs to die".

#607: Arugula thinks IS is scummy.

#608: IS says he is behind, and thinks my claim is "shitty".

#609: IS is saved by the bell as I hammer him. kondi and trollie
are still voting IS.

#612: trollie flips as vanilla townie.

--------------------------

Night 2: IS claims to have investigated Code X because he was
the ringleader of the trollie lynch.

--------------------------

Day 3

#624: dicknose says IS should have ben shot N2, or TVK or Iknal.

#625: I note Iknal's lurking.

#630: kondi votes IS

#633: IS finally notices I'm the actual vig.

#635: Code_X votes IS

#636: dicknose votes: IS, saying Iknal, Dannflor and TvK are
scummy as well.

#638: I ask for an IS case(I wasn't paying attention obviously).

#644: I say I am leaning towards an IS vote.

#645: IS accusing Code_X of manufacturing a case.

#646: kondi asks if IS is a mason.

#647: dicknose notes IS' defensiveness.

#651: IS says attacks on him are a "testosterone train".

#652: kondi repeats his mason question.

#653: IS avoids the question again.

#657: Code attacks IS for defending trollie.

#658: dick attacks IS for "fluff"

#659: IS OMGUS against dick and code, suggests "conspiracy theory".

#660: IS suggests Code Dann scumteam. Votes code.

#661: Code asks if we can lynch IS.

#667: IS accuses Code and dick of tag teaming.

#670: IS says Code X or Dick are scum(leaning code), says Dann,
tyk, or iknal are scum(leaning dann).

#672: Dann votes IS

#678: I, unfortunatley, am focused on kondi's poor play and vote
overlook IS' scuminess, and vote CodeX.

#681: kondi asks why I switched my vote.

#682: TvK agrees that Code's casebuilding is poor, puts code ahead
of IS on scumlist, with Dann at top.

#683: kondi suggests TvK/IS scumteam.

#694: I note weak arguments on IC wagon.

#708: Code_X unvotes IS.

#710: IS notes Code_X is showing rational behavior.

#716: IS seems to be buddying with me and says Code needs to be
lynched.(very self-motivated).

#717: Slandaar replaces iknal.

#728: Code defends himself against IS, votes him again, looks like
an OMGUS.

#741: Slandar, thinks IS is town, dann, kondi, and Code_X are scum.

#746: IS attacks code x more.

#766: kondi has a town read on IS(because dann is scum) and a
scumread on dann.

#768: IS would prefer a code x lynch over dann.

#770: IS doesn't maintain a record of his games, according to him.

#775: Dann builds a case on IS. keeps his vote on IS.

#779: I state I could go for an IS or Code X lynch, I don't see
Dann as scummy.

#787: IS rages against code.

#789: IS has a null read on TvK.

#792: IS notes TVKs low activity

#795: kondi votes code, wants to lynch dann tomorrow.

#805: Code says kondi is likely scum after he tries to direct vig
kill.

#821: IS thinks everyone is scummy but me.

#822: Code X thinks IS and Slandaar are a scum team.

#836: Code X votes for IS again.

#858: Dick asks me not to vig, I didn't see this post, but wish
I had.

#859: dann is lynched, with slandaar, kondi(town), dick,
and IS on the wagon. Me, dann, and code X are not on the wagon.

-------------
Night 3: IS claims to have investigated kondi, who died, based on
that he lead the dann lynch.

--------------
My main thoughts on this are how quiet IS is when he is not the
focus of attention, and then how chatty he gets when he is the
focus of attention. Also, that he weaseled his way out of lynches
twice. He venoumsly attacked me, and attacked code x much in the
same manner. Also that he stayed on my wagon so long and ended up
not being on the IS wagon was very telling. His night actions are
not convincing, they show no independent thought and he is only
going by who is leading lynches, yet he attacks me for shooting
people that I believe to be scummy.

[MonkeyMan576]

sorry, I meant not being on the SC wagon at the end there.

[MonkeyMan576]

Yeah I agree that the game would be over if IS was town. Code x and IS are probably not on the same team. Slaandor is a probably the last scum. Tvk's reason makes it unlikely he is scum, but there is a small chance.

[MonkeyMan576]

Sorry for butchering slandaars name.

[MonkeyMan576]

You can tell us if you are scum now, you know, slan.

[MonkeyMan576]

Mafia did an excellent job making sure TVK stayed in the endgame.

[MonkeyMan576]

I played pretty bad to begin with but I think I played better in the end. I need to learn to be more engaged and less reactionary from the start of the game.

[MonkeyMan576]

Damnit, Monkey. I'm still really confused as to why you killed me. Who could I be scum with? TvK seems like the only possibility.

Slandaar did good keeping IS alive that extra day, but I think it would have been different had I not died.

it was mostly self defence, and that I didn't trust your reads. i tend to think anti-tow equals scum, which isn't always the case.