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VOTE: Internet Stranger

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VOTE: Smooth Criminal

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Post 39 doesn't seem all that damning to me.

Dannflor seems a bit like a cat on coals. I'll say that.

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I think it's more your unvote if anything.

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Random Voting Stage. Which at least we've moved away from.

Unvote

Reading a few back in isolation. At this point though Dann reminds me of when I first played - keen to post often, not really fussed about how he structures his words, seems to attract plenty of attention for it and thus look scummy. I think he's probably a bit like a rabbit in the headlights - but I get a townish feel.

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Ok, so I'm back. Sorry about that.

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Hey mate, where you at? You owe us a post almost as much as I do. Your original RVS vote is for what appears to be frivolous reasons, yet you then defend that joke when dann questions people randomly voting. Why is your vote on SC legit? When you made that vote 9 posts into the game. Your other two posts don't contribute anything to the game, except that you were planning on posting actual information yesterday.

My two cents on the dannflor/MM conversation.

I'm willing to bet MM is scum either way

, but I'm honestly not too sure about dannflor. I'm having trouble getting a read on him, if he is scum, then he will probably slip before lynch d2 as has been pointed out already, and would rather wait for a more definitive read before lynching him.

Let me get this right.

You vote Dicknose. (Great name btw)

Yet think MM is scum either way and you leave things open to push a lynch on Dan tomorrow. Why not vote someone you think is scum either way?

VOTE: Iknal

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I actually agree with Arugula's point/case. I hadn't noticed Scum could talk during the day - not that I bothered to look at the front page.

I find it an odd thing for a townie to bring to our attention. Almost like you TheTrollie are hoping someone notices and respond to you via the QT thread.

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I actually agree with Arugula's point/case. I hadn't noticed Scum could talk during the day - not that I bothered to look at the front page.

I find it an odd thing for a townie to bring to our attention. Almost like you TheTrollie are hoping someone notices and respond to you via the QT thread.

why in gods name would scum want this to be brought to our attention? at the very least dont call me scum for that. It's not like town WOULDN'T WANT everyone to know that. this is a very silly argument against me, especially since I had a good reason to check out the PMs after kanye reminded us that they were posted.

now can we lynch monkey and watch as Arugula weeps in mourning of his scumbuddy already?

I've no idea. I hadn't even noticed and probably wouldn't have realised until the end of the game. Scum can normally only talk at night - in fact I've not played in a game when that hasn't been the case. I can I guess see your point but at the same time I don't see the relevance of posting it from a town point of view.

Your reaction especially to Arugula though is quite telling.

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Perhaps we should ask the whole group.

@ Question to everyone
Did you notice the scum could talk during the day?

And at this point Trollie I've not even got my vote on you, but you have over-reacted big time. Like you have what one vote.

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Can people who are voting Monkey sum up in simple bullet-points why he is scum.

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monkeyman (6) - kondi, thetrollie, dannflor, smooth criminal, internet stranger, jee

Ok, does anyone have any reason against lynching Monkey

Monkey, if you are town, would you like to say anything or point anything out to the rest of the town that has nothing to do with your wagon before you get lynched?

For Monkey, I kinda think his claim is true, but it's too dangerous to let him go for reason stated before. And as nobody else wants to let him off the hook (seeing that nobody unvoted him), I think his lynch is inevitable.

Like for fuck sake - those voting Monkey look elsewhere pls thx.
He's claimed two-shot vig - not been counter claimed - if he's full of shit, he'll slip up at some stage. As it goes I think he's telling the truth. The whole wagon against him has been based on nothing ultimately.
Either way we're not lynching a claimed vig today.

VOTE: TheTrollie

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also, fine, if people would like, we should direct monkey's vig tonight (yeah i know ppl are gonna shit on me for saying that) to test the claim and lynch arugula in the meantime. how does that sound?

Direct the vig kill?

Pls kill now.

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I actually happen to agree with you Trollie. Though it may not be the most popular idea shooting someone, we can test if he is really the vig. If he is, then we've got a clear (which will unfortunately probably die the next night). If not, we caught some scum. As I've expressed earlier, I'm currently pointing my fingers at Monkey and Arugula. I'm not going to switch my vote quite yet, but if the general public expresses a like towards the idea, I'm right with you.

Your as bad also.

Have we six scum in this game.

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i am in the middle of doing meta on monkey so i will respond to this later but u HAVE TO stop twisting everyone's words. Is english your first language? seriously, i want to know.

I did not say i believe the claim. ok, back to meta work

Fuck Monkey. Why do you keep concentrating on him?

There are 13 players in this game.

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Do you not believe his claim?

You ought to ISO a few others. Pretend Monkey doesn't exist.

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those are my two very strong lynch reads

DO YOU BELIEVE HIS CLAIM?

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@everyone else - Who should we attempt for Mr. VigMonkey to knock off?

You.

And we should lynch Trollie.

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I'm fine with lynching either Smooth Criminal or TheTrollie for day 1. TheTrollie's tunneling is a bit annoying, but I feel like if Monkey is in fact a vig, he'll shoot TheTrollie. And if TheTrollie is in fact scum, scum will be killing someone else. So I'll go with an SC vote. If the day is nearing the end, and the wagon is more toward Trollie than SC, I'll be willing to switch.

This is a good point.

Unvote: The Trollie

Vote: Smooth Criminal

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At this point. I'm happy lynching SC.

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Hey up.

This mason malarkey. Is it worth the other mason coming forward to let us know Jee's thoughts? I think it would help. Albeit I'm not sure hence why I'm asking?

Separately, I need to re-read the last day, things happened pretty damn quick. The fact we lynched the GF is pretty mental mind and those that actively avoided it are going to be where I'm eyeing today. Kondi's first vote today is horrible. Arugula oozes town.

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yeah u need to give a clearer claim

i want to believe u so badly

(since that means i was right about Monkey) but ur making it hard by softclaiming like that

OH AND LOL.

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Actually.

Like #468

Pretty sure TheTrollie is scum.

Vote TheTrollie

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That is a pathetic reason.

Just saying ....

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They can talk.

Although Jee is dead he'd have had opinions/discussed it with the other mason. We get to see what he thought that way.

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Couldn't one of the scum simply pretend he was the mason? Do we really know if the other mason is really the mason?

He could.

And we will.

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@ Trollie - who's scum at this point?

Where's your vote going.

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I'll answer that if/when it happens.

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I want to believe he is town

And Dann, why do you want to believe him? As townies everyone ultimately is the enemy.

It's like Trollie wanted to

believe

Smooth the old dead Godfather.

It doesn't sit right with me.

Townies should be always sceptical - you cannot trust anyone or even want to believe them as such.

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OBVIOUS TOWN

Trollie

Lololol.

You should be vigged.

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you didn't even fucking read the post besides that did you

because, you know, there's reasoning

I didn't need to your post was so comical.

And you know I like the way you've set yourself up to go after the inactives.

Kondi and Trollie are our remaining scum.

We should lynch one. Then Monkey can vig the other.

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Congratulations. That's the worst post I've read in this game. And that's hard to do.

VOTE: Code_X

You're not very good at this game are you?

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Kondi ignore me. #545 was uncalled for. I apologise for it.

What do you make of Jee's Post 436

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More so his comments about Trollie/Smooth.

As for your earlier post. I agree with it bar two points.

One the scum day talk clearing Trollie as definite town and your read on me.
I appreciate I've not been as active as some others, but my content has been solid when I've posted.

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Liking that. What do the colours represent bar Red and Blue - which I'm assuming are town and scum.

No one has mentioned Atlas neither.

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Trollie said very little about Smooth. Aside from this post. He didn't cast any further suspicion against him. This reads to me like scum pretending to find a scum partner scummy, but not put any pressure on whatsoever.

Leaning Scum
Smooth Criminal – weak scumread on SC for the reasons articulated by jee

I need to read everything back.

Would also like to hear more from Iknal, IS, Atlas.

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TVK posted above. He's voting Trollie so I'm okay with him for now. Albeit I would like some opinion on what he thinks about the others sure.

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And thing that gets me going about Dicknose's tables is that Atlas has no suspicions and no-one has any of him. So he needs to speak more.

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Just read around page 11-12. Where Monkey claimed.

Then read near the end of Day one around Smooth's claim and see who sided with who.

Then take note of the final votecount - remember it was a GF.


At this point I've no interest in lynching anyone but TheTrollie. This guy is 110% scum.

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Sure thing Trollie. See below. Let the jury decide.



81 is horrible.

Still convinced on Monkey scum in 102 122

This is scummy as fuck. I didn't notice scum could day talk. I also wouldn't be announcing it either way

I'd like to point out as we look at the interactions between suspected scum partners, that according to the possible Role PMs Mafia has communication via QT at all points during the game. just keep that in mind.

137 Argula goes on your scum list. Because he's actually scum-hunting. Good one!

Still totally all for a Monkey lynch for no viable reason. Townies back off you are far too sure. Pushing a mis-lynch.

This reads to me I'm going to keep pushing my scum reads in Monkey and Argula. But leave Smooth there just in case so I can backtrack later. Plus you are sheeping Jee.

Leaning Scum
Smooth Criminal – weak scumread on SC for the reasons articulated by jee

Scum
MonkeyMan576 – see post #81 for my reasons.
*Arugula – see what I have said on his vote on myself

Directs vig kill

I am saying that if Dann continually proves to be unreadable he is a good target for a vig kill

Continually sure of your reads for absolute bull reasons.

you and monkey are scum and I can't wait to Lynch the two of you

Trying to get protection perhaps here. Either way attempting to direct another PR.

speaking of hypotheticals if there is a watcher out there I recommend u watch me because at this rate I am expecting visitors

Still dead set on Monkey/Arg lynch. No swaying. Far too sure.

this lynch is clear as day. I am not trying to quick lynch, I am just 100% certain one of those two are scum and 80% certain they both are.

And still ...

Ok, does anyone have any reason against lynching Monkey and/or Arugula?

This one is good. What about everyone else? Why have you not mentioned anyone else? Townies are paranoid of everyone believe it or not.

Check out Monkey and Arugula's ISOs. Monkey never once mentions Arugula, Arugula mentions Monkey in passing like twice.

Oh look directing the PR again.

also, fine, if people would like, we should direct monkey's vig tonight

Willing a counter claim on Monkey. Which is null but either way. 291 293

This is after Monkey claims, yet still concentrates on him. Still ignores everyone bar him and Arg. Doesn't once step back and think hmm maybe his claim is correct, maybe he is town, maybe I should look at my reads again.

i am in the middle of doing meta on monkey

Still convinced somehow that Arg and Monkey are scum. Still won't consider other options.

have you not seen my aggresion towards arugula. those are my two very strong lynch reads, i am not looking elsewhere right now because AT LEAST one of them is scum. I guarantee it

Thinking perhaps he should look elsewhere perhaps.

oh and also code, i am doing meta on monkey to see

if i can convince myself

he isnt obvscum

323 Monkey still scum.
329 says he'll pull an OMGUS case on Arg. I can't be arsed to read it because Arg is town.

Get the theme here

Monkey and veggie are my biggest (and kinda only) scumreads.

What is this all about? Care to explain?

There are a bunch of ways for this to fail i was hoping to not disclose them until after they couldnt be enacted

Directs PR role in 348

Oh here goes. Thinking about bussing his pal.

I am going to take a look at this SC wagon and see if its worth hopping on.

But says no. He's town.

Ok so I agree that SC’s insistence on distancing from me/kondi is suspicious. On the other hand, I do not think he is scum.

Possible reasons for his actions as I can see it:

(1) there has been a lot of talk about buddying and why that is scummy. He may be worried about being accused of buddying like kondi was on me and thus wants to distance himself to show he isn’t buddying hard.

I would like to note that I do not agree with the idea of buddying being inherently scummy. I at least do not agree with it when the way we define budying is really just “agreeing.” There are a lot of other reasons people might buddy. They might be familiar with eachother from other games, they may have a strong townread on the person and therefore trust them, etc. A voting bloc, for example, is a codified version of town buddying.

(2) he feels I am likely to be lynched but he doesn’t want to be lynched so he doesn’t want our names to be associated.

(3) he is town, and is worried I might flip scum if I am lynched

If he is scum, he knows my alignment, and from my perspective would not want to distance himself from me. He would likely want to be buddying up with me more in that case so that if he gets lynched and flips scum, I would be under a lot of heat the next day, and if I get lynched and flip town, he would not be under so much scrutiny (besides the possible WIFOM arguments).

I realize this logic doesn’t work for anyone besides myself since it is contingent on you knowing my alignment. But I see no way for him to be scum based on this.

This next post is so fucking horrible. It's the scummiest thing I've read on this forum.

yeah u need to give a clearer claim i want to believe u so badly (since that means i was right about Monkey) but ur making it hard by softclaiming like that

459. Feels like time to give up on SC.


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Not so much today.

Doesn't want Jee's thoughts out there. Perhaps he'll not like them.

I do not think the other mason should come out. Reason being I dont want a potential mafia-rolecop to know he/she doesnt have to investigate that person.

Kondi now maybe scum.

Um. Ok.

Daytalk really messes up my ability to get any good reads from interactions though, because the interactions we see could be heavily guided by interactions on the QT

He's now moved on to a lurker to see if that will work.


In summary. The guy needs to die.

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That was a disaster.

Trollie I can't say much but sorry. Fucked up.

I need to re-read but another game is taking priority, will get something done in 48 hours.

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Posting to respond to a prod.

Sorry! Will get something done when I get the chance.

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VOTE: Internet Stranger

Going by a few ISOs and looking back at yesterday and Dicknose's chart which is handy. I think IS is a likely scum candidate.

Iknal needs to say something or be replaced. Nothing in 2 days is unacceptable.

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Oh yeah I forgot that Trollie was the most obvious looking townie ever.

You conveniently managed to disbelieve Monkey's claims.

Ignored the whole GF situation.

And then played dumb when the scummiest townie known to man got lynched.

And I hasten to add have done nothing all game.

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Panicking ha. Dream on!

As it goes your not the only suspect but your reaction is pretty ridicolous.

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And by all means conjure up a case, because Ill pull it apart from here to Timbuktu.

You'd do better reading day one and catching up!

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Hey IS

You'd do better reading day one and catching up!

Come back to us.

Kondi - what makes you think there's three masons?

Three masons and a vig seems somewhat powerful.

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All im seeing is a bunch of sarcasm and aggro and not much of a case. No one is being very convincing here. No wonder poor Trollie never stood a chance.

Quit with the Poor Trollie act!

There was plenty of logical cases against him.

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Can we please lynch this guy.

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Have to doublecheck what code was doing during the initial monkey fiasco. If code was leaning on the sidelines during that time, then he is definitely scum.

This is just comical.

You haven't read any of the actual thread have you.

Let me run it through for you.

Monkey got forced into claiming 2 shot vig. His claim is proved due to the 2 kills last night.

A number of people disbelieved him. You were one.

Trollie/Smooth - ended up with a fair amount of pressure on them.

Smooth ended up counter-claiming very badly.

Some townies sided with Smooth - namely Trollie. You amazingly were missing in action.

Smooth ended up Don! Not Vig. Not Vanilla. But Don.

If I was scum I'd have bussed the GF yeah?

So Day 2 Trollie is a viable lynch based on his interaction with Monkey/Arg/Smooth Day 1.

The only thing he had going for him was he actually thought you were scum.

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@ mod - what's the deal with IKNAL?

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My biggest fear right now is scum latching on to the testosterone train and fooling us all.

Biggest fear!!

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Im still leaning towards Code being the scum, his position on prior wagons has been scumtastic.

316 444 457 - what's scumtastic about these?

Again, my reads are Code and Dann, their behavior of trying to rush through lynchers is a huge black mark on them.

Lurkers where?
If I was pushing against lurkers I'd be all over Iknal. Fact is if anyone is going after lurkers it's you.

In the same post even pot=kettle much

Hard to form an opinion on the other scum, so its Dann and the lurkers.

I was still suspicious of Monkey until the kill. He is about the only guaranteed town at the moment due to a lack of a counterclaim. It would be hilarious if Tyk or Iknal tried to counterclaim now. Im kinda hoping that happens, but oh well.

Your case against me is pretty much built on sand. And you still don't believe Monkey's claim. Monkey what do you make of that?

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Actually ignore that lurkers/lynchers bit mis-read it.

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And you know Monkey your accusing me of doing something you actually did towards Trollie.

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As far I can see your vote is on me because of logic and bad case building.

Which is something your doing on me. At least put an actual case together - based on previous days and other players. Ignore today.

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Fair enough Monkey.

I'll be honest to admit I didn't sit back during TheTrollie lynch mainly because I thought he was scum and now IS gives me the same vibe.

Though obviously my read on Trollie pretty much sucked. As it did for most of us, including two dead townies and you yourself even.

For now though.

UNVOTE: InternetStranger

I want here from the replacement with fresh eyes and then I want re-read days 2 and 3.

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Kind of waiting for the replacement still ...

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Thanks.

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How come this game has died a death since I've stopped going at IS.

IS where is this actual case on me?

Why have you disappeared?

Where is everyone else!

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Day 1 he is vote hopping all over the place.

Not scummy.

He is determined to avoid voting monkey when his wagon quickly swelled because his partners are probably already in the wagon (SC being one of them).

Laughable. I thought he was town. So everyone else not voting him his based on this also? Comedy.

Its all right there in vote counts #8, #9, and #10. With #10 jumping onto the Trollie wagon at the #2 spot, which appears to be his favorite hiding spot after the Monkeyman claim was believed.

Which you didn't actually even believe!

There is still no conviction or strong reason or case for switching to Trollie.

There was plenty of reason to vote Trollie. One I never actually voted Monkey so how the heck am I switching?

By then there was no going back, Criminal had to die, so Code jumped on the wagon to avoid blatant distancing issues.

This is a blatant lie. Jumped on the wagon? You best go check my interaction with Smooth Criminal. Instead of making up shit.

conveniently has an excuse to park a vote on Trollie in his favorite hiding spot yet again, #2 on the wagon.

There was plenty of sound reasoning to vote Trollie. I outlined most of it in 603

I won't bother responding to your day 3 argument as it boils down to me being second on your wagon. Since when has being second on a wagon been inherently scummy. It's just absolute fucking ridicoulous and points to you making up shit to save your own ass.

So the connection between Code and Criminal lies with the now very dead Trollie.

Trollie died because he was fucking terrible. Simply. He defended the GF, he disbelieved the Vig. He attacked Arugula for no logical reason. Essentially he was horrible. Stop using his lack of ability to beat me with a stick. Any sensible pro-active townie would have found him scummy.

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Essentially though from what I can gather you find me scummy because I'm the second person to vote Smooth/Trollie/yourself.

Funny really.

VOTE: Internet Stranger

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I can't speak for Dann though. Not sure why you should expect me to neither.

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I'm sure if he wants to respond to your vitriolic lies he will Internet.

What you going to do when I turn up town?

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You have no case on me whatsoever.

Its complete baloney.

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If you've read back Arugula pointed that out - and yeah I agreed with him, but he was town so essentially your argument that only scum would say that is pretty flawed as he's dead town.

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Because, I've a town read on him, albeit I don't like the way he has ignored TVK and IS.

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Think again.

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IS - can you point me at a few of your recent games as scum/town?

Thanks.

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Fair enough.

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Ha. Out of interest when was your wiki updated?

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Yeah I know. I was being lazy.

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Based on what?

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Took 6 votes to lynch Trollie. I wasn't the only one who found him suspect.

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IS you've done fuck all until the game has heated up, yes I helped lynch Trollie and still can't believe he was town based on his interaction with Smooth and his actual play. Your tunnelling on me because my prominence in lynching Trollie gives you the opportunity to force through a mislynch.

My reservation is much like yesterday I think the scum can afford to sit back and be circumspect. So your bullishness on me I actually feel is townish because I did similar yesterday.

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TvK is definitely a wildcard due to his low activity, but I think the information I have uncovered on both Code and Dann is pretty damning for them.

There is nothing damning about it, purely a load of shite.

I'm scum because I'm the second person on a number of wagons that needed in one case 7 votes and another 6 votes. Dream on.

At this point though with a deadline brewing we need to get our act together.

Monkey - what you going to do if I'm lynched as town? Which will be what will happen.

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Kondi - if anyone likes cheering wagons on without giving a shit who lynches it's you.

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I couldn't care less whether you've switched to me just now - you just seem to not actually care who lynches.

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We both know that's bullshit.

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Hey Kondi!

Few more scum reads here for you.

Why should Monkey choose who he'll shoot without a flip?

ALRIGHT, HERE'S HOW SHIT IS GOING DOWN TODAY.

I'm THAT confident that both Monkey and Arugula are scum

, as well as in Trollie being town. Lynch me today and know that my accusations are true, and then lynch Arugula straight after. Monkey right after that. Then, never touch Trollie and let him do whatever the fuck he wants.

I haven't got around to it yet. I'll reread soon, but I sincerely doubt I was wrong in both of my reads.

You were just saying..

Dann and Monkey are also unlikely partners to SC

, via Post 57.

READS

CONFIRMED TOWN

Monkey
Dann
Arugula

OBVIOUS TOWN

dicknose
Trollie

AND THAT LEAVES

TvK
IS
Code_X
Iknal
Atlas

Code_X: Definitely the most town of the five. Good content and posts that would be hard to fake.

IS: Can't really tell anything, and therefore a gut scum read

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Atlas: Again, can't tell anything, and therefore gut scum.

I remember one of his posts setting off my alarms.

Iknal: Pretty null. Least posts of the five.

TvK: I'm getting a gut town read on him. If he's scum, it's most likely with IS, as he had a post where he listed both him and SC as his first two townreads.

VOTE: IS I have a feeling this isn't a problem for anyone.

VOTE: IS No reason not to. I really think this game could be won by boiling down to PoE.

Monkey, dicknose, and Dann are my three major townreads. One scum in {IS, Code_X}, which means there's also one scum in {Iknal, TyK}. IS and TyK are my picks.

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Lynch Dann tomorrow?

Hes confscum this is silly lynch him today, Monkey gets to shoot someone tonight and that might end the game there without having another day.

He didnt even acknowledge my case on him...

@Code: explain your townread on Dann please

Early day one.

Strikes me as town. The whole day one strikes me as town.

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Monkey, can you confirm that you will shoot whoever we don't lynch out of Code and Dann?

In fact this is absolute bull.

Say we lynch me - I'll be town. Then your suggesting we should kill Dann based on that.

No. You're likely scum.

VOTE: Kondi 2424

Everyone should iso Kondi and see for themselves. No scum hunting. No real care who lynches. IS - is tunnelling so hard he could well be scum, but his reputation proceeds him. I don't like the way he's isolated himself to me and Dann. And yeah I feel like I'm defending Dann because I think he's pretty town.

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I don't ultimately care if I lynch as long as the vig kills you when I'm town.

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I'm aware of that - its been niggling though. You were ultra defensive of Trollie all day one and reading back I don't see a townie being that confident he'd be town, as I say I don't think your bothered who lynches.

Not my call now though, with no time left till deadline there is no impetus to lynch you, nor IS it seems.

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I'm unsure what to make of IS. He's said so little about most of the town, you included there is little interaction.

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I love how everyone glosses over the fact the GF got lynched day one and neither myself nor Dann gave a shit about saving him.

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Lynch me then.

I'm done with it.

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Your good I'll give you that IS.

Id say IS and Slandaar are the scum duo.

Kondi I just can't figure he's almost playing like a serial killer.

I'd rather we lynch IS. He's actually not put a case on anyone being second on a wagon is laughable, but at this point it seems there's only four of us playing and my thoughts don't reflect everyone elses.

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Fair enough. As I say I've ended up digging my own hole as long as the town use it tomorrow then fine we're not at lylo yet.

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Fuck knows in all honesty.

He's a renegade.

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VOTE: Internet Stranger

Got to stick with my gut and the first 20 pages.

Scum team is likely IS and Slandaar.

Nothing Dann has said makes me think he's scum, I'm not voting for someone I think is town.

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Nope. Trying to lynch scum.

I don't see Dann as scum.

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At this point I'd vote IS, slandaar or Kondi. TVK is a null read. The others I think are town.

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Ah silly me for casting suspicion on your good self. You are obviously town.

[Code_X]

As I say you don't give a shit who lynches.

By all means lynch me - if it means Monkey vigs you tonight.

[Code_X]

Code why do you keep saying im scum when you have not produced one reason why?

Because put simply you've replaced in and commented on no-one bar Dann who I've got a town-read on.

[Code_X]

In lylo and lo and behold the scum pull a fabricated cop result.

Cop, vig and masons is pretty over-powering.

But to not claim this bullshit yesterday means IS is lieing.

Want the other duo to weigh in.

[Code_X]

IS is 100% scum. At this point pretty certain Slandaar is also scum.

[Code_X]

There was a mafia gf so if noone is counterclaiming IS, his claim is prob legit. Monkey you

need

to unvote.

We also need to Massclaim

Code
tvk
Me

thats the order

Code; claim.

Nope he's bullshitting. I'm find it absurd you don't think scum would fake-claim in this situation.

I'm a VT.

[Code_X]

And you can claim next - because I don't appreciate the way you think you can order the town around after fucking up majorly yesterday.

[Code_X]

Monkey you

need

to unvote.

This is also horrible.

Scum are IS and Slandaar. Game set and match.

Hey Slandaar if I'm scum who's the other scum?

[Code_X]

No it wasn't the right lynch.

IS should have been lynched - Dann got lynched based on practically nothing.

Obvious to any sensible player he was town.

You've not cast any suspicion on IS all game, someone who is now fake-claiming in lylo but whatever.

[Code_X]

Waiting on TVK at this point.

[Code_X]

I thought the last scum was Kondi for presenting good evidence on a mislynch of Dann. Hence my investigation of Kondi last night. I think its a code/slaandar team. The last scum has to be Slaandar, he didn't want to vote for Code yesterday no matter what. Its pretty clear to me now.

There is a slight chance its TVK, but that can be sorted out tomorrow.

This is bullshit also.

Slandaar 741 was the supposed reason for lynching Dann. Kondi didn't present any evidence so IS is mis-representing here.

[Code_X]

Why would I post suspicion of Dann? After about page 4-5 I had a town read on him.

And yeah I do seriously think you are scum because logic dictates it - you and IS are the scum duo, everything fits.

[Code_X]

You seem awfully sure of his allegiance. Guess that means your pretty much convinced on me and TVK?

What do you make of him suspecting you? You ignored him.

[Code_X]

He is a lying sack of shit though.

You ought to care if you're town - because you'll end up losing guaranteed.

[Code_X]

Do I think your bad? Yep I do. Iknal did nothing apart from say Monkey/Dann were scum he actually was pretty wishy-washy on Dann being scum. You have come in pushed a lynch on Dann and then concocted this steaming great pile with IS overnight. IS is lieing so confirmed scum.

I know I'm town and as you say Monkey is confirmed Vig by the kills. Therefore by rule of elimination you think the scum team are me and TVK. Yet you don't actually say anything about TVK for fear of upsetting him.

Why are you not voting me?

I'll tell you shall I - because you're waiting for TVK to put a vote down before quick-hammering, because you know full well he won't be quick hammering anyone because he's town.

[Code_X]

VOTE: Internet Stranger

[Code_X]

I know he's scum because he's lieing.

[Code_X]

There is no good reason for me to vote here, ever.

You'll vote soon as someone reaches 2 votes apart from your buddy IS.

[Code_X]

We'll agree to disagree scumbag.

Waiting on TVK at this point.

[Code_X]

TVK take as long as you want - read back, read isos, read iknal etc.

Whatever IS is scum don't let the lieing scumbag off the hook. Slandaar is his partner.

[Code_X]

Leaning Slandaar.

Re-reading everything.

[Code_X]

682 has me wondering, plus I half expected to be dead ... thoughts gentleman?

[Code_X]

741 and 742are pretty damning against Slandaar though......

[Code_X]

The case on Dann was weak.

At this point though I need to read the whole game it will take me 24-48 hours. My other issue with your spot is Iknal was useless (I'm aware you can't defend this Slan). TVK did go for Smooth day one.

However, TVK you need to elaborate more than a one-liner at this point. I'm a big fan of conciseness but at this point you need to state your case a little better.

[Code_X]

Slandaar/TVK what do you both of make of page 11-12 260 around the Monkey vig claim? Knowing what we know now.

[Code_X]

Iknal didnt hammer monkey when he had a perfect opportunity to do so if he were scum

The scum didnt kill monkey for like forever so Iknal couldnt be scum thinking 'we just kill monkey tonight'
Iknal had no evil plan to deal with monkey at night and he didnt hammer when he had the chance .... Iknal had no evil intentions full stop.

Also with daychat IS would have told him to hammer almost guaranteed...

Therefore;
Iknal was town

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also;
I pushed dann hard with monkey still alive meaning I hugely risk being shot by the vig when Dann flips... There is no way I bring so much attention to myself when im pushing a townlynch and there is a vig, its suicide.

My goal as scum is not to be suicidal, its survival, I dont achieve that by doing all these ridiculous things.

Anyways, Im going to look through this game properly later; priority to check IS/Code interaction on day3 I think it was.

Priority? Do you think IS scum would claim guilty on a partner at lylo?

As far as Iknal goes him hammering there gets him in a world of pain the next day. I don't think that's a legitimate reason. I will say I don't particularly like TVK's posts around the claim but he then goes after the GF which is a major positive. Iknal is by no means town based on his posts/play nor the fact scum have daytalk.

Your push at Dann as scum is fine in that spot also, because a mislynch there and we're in lylo. Stop pleading that it's suicide it's not.

Really want to hear more from TVK.

[Code_X]

TVK kind of waiting on you?

I'll be honest during night I thought this would be easy if I was still alive. Now. I'm torn which is a bitch.

[Code_X]

TVK why are you not voting?

[Code_X]

I'll tell you both where I'm at.

Day 1

-

Neither post a great deal.

TVK says Dann is not a good lynch, would go for Monkey in 114
TVK says Smooth is scummy in 166 and then Smooth and IS look townish in 256. Seems to really want to vote Monkey during this spell.

Iknal (Slandaar) - does very little.
117 He appears with a first post of any content. Votes Dicknose.

Asks Dicknose about Smooth

Why is your vote on SC legit?

This as I said in 128 was really scummy in my eyes. Remember he's voting Dicknose but thinks MM is scum and Dann may be.

My two cents on the dannflor/MM conversation. I'm willing to bet MM is scum either way, but I'm honestly not too sure about dannflor.

I don't the like the whole interaction as Monkey had five votes at the time - kondi, thetrollie, dannflor, smooth criminal, internet stranger - including two known scum. It reads to me as if he's casting suspicion at Monkey but doesn't want to board the wagon for fear of getting heat.

Note Iknal never responded to my vote in 128. Which I see as a scum tell.

For the next five pages Iknal fails to respond to any post whatsoever. Monkey is put to lynch -1 by Jee in 255
Monkey claims vig 6 or so hours later. IS scum disbelieves his claim.
Iknal finally reappears in 260. Some 6 pages and 140 posts since his last post. But, crucially I feel just after Monkey's gone to lynch-1 and claimed. It reads to me as if he's keeping an eye on the thread.

Doesn't buy Monkey's claim but tends to ignore the issue of lynching him in 262 - says he'll look at Arg, Kondi, Trollie instead.

261 - will probably determine where I end up voting. He says Kondi (town) and Dann (town) are jumping on the Arg wagon - which he doesn't understand. Again he says very little about Monkey. He talks about Kondi a fair but not Monkey who he says he'll then hammer the following day!!


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Note - this post bugs me about TVK.

For Monkey, I kinda think his claim is true, but it's too dangerous to let him go for reason stated before. And as nobody else wants to let him off the hook (seeing that nobody unvoted him), I think his lynch is inevitable.

Think's the claim is true but the lynch is inevitable. Ergh.......

297 I think the quote tags are mixed up in TVK's post says he wants Monkey to speak more before a hammer.

310 - Again reads a little cautious. Doesn't outright believe the claim.

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Moving on somewhat.

The Monkey wagon dies a death.

The votecount in 387 is worth noting.

Neither Iknal/TVK are voting.

thetrollie

(4) -

monkeyman

, code_x,

arugula

,

dicknose

monkeyman

(2) -

internet stranger

,

jee

arugula

(2) -

smooth criminal

,

thetrollie

internet stranger

(1) -

atlasblade

kondi

(1) -

kondi

not voting: tvk, iknal,

dannflor

The GF at this point is in no real danger of being lynched.

TVK reappears in 403 and I'm in two minds here. First time I read it looks good. He goes after Smooth the GF but he also calls a lot of townies town, which strikes me as perhaps knowing they'd be town and bussing his partner for some cred - remember he's got no votes.

Iknal pops up in 405 but adds no content whatsoever.

Monkey should have vigged him long ago.

Arg votes Smooth in 409 and then TVK hops on a few posts later. Note he didn't actually vote him previously.

Dann votes him but it was missed in the vote count. WIFOM area but would scum point this out?

@Mod: You missed Dann's vote on Smooth

Jee votes Smooth. Then in quick succession so do Code, Dann reiterates his vote and Monkey - and note I was about fifth on that wagon not second wish I'd checked that when IS threw all that second on the wagon shit earlier.

Smooth claims vig in 454.

Iknal and TVK didn't reappear. I'm going to check time stamps if possible and see if either posted anywhere else from the time Jee voted him during the claim to the lynch. I get the feeling TVK attempted a bus on someone he felt was safe but at the same time Iknal's 262 is horrible and his lack of content completely doesn't make me feel easier.

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I'll get to the rest later.

My first thoughts on day one are that neither are pretty good. I did think TVK started the SC wagon but at the same time he could easily have bussed to ignore the other wagons thinking Trollie/Monkey would go. Iknal is pretty dreadful really. Monkey should have vigged him.

They both strike me as scummy in truth.

[Code_X]

Thought I best check what IS scum said about Iknal, TVK, Slandaar. Pretty unhelpful in truth. Null!

There's nothing of relevance whatsoever about either player before 660. Doesn't mention either. Will check out SC also.

Tvk and iknal are a toss up. Could be either one of two if it isn't Dann, but Danns behavior is looking inconsistent now, which is scummy.

One of Code_X or Dicknose (leaning Code)
One of Dann, tyk or iknal (leaning Dann)
Monkey is the only one I think is innocent at the moment.

Oh an im missing Slandaar to complete the set. His questioning on Dan and his strong interactions with Kondi pretty much cemented the dead with Dann. Considering that Iknal never posted, Slaandar is on the same boat as TvK. Their posts seems reasonable, but without a strong history and voting track record, they both have to be null. I dont see any malicious action from them.

Scum:
Code
Dann

Possible sneaky tweener:
Dicknose
Kondi

Null:
Slaandar
Tvk

Town:
Monkey

Slandaar joined the game yesterday and he already has more posts and TvK. So there isnt much to go on there.

But, in the few posts he has done, he seems to make thoughtful posts that reeks in individualism. He seems to be making an effort. He did plunk a vote on SC, but also did one on Trollie. I dont see him leading or following anyone.

TvK is the very definition of a null read at the moment.

TvK is definitely a wildcard due to his low activity, but I think the information I have uncovered on both Code and Dann is pretty damning for them.

I think its a code/slaandar team. The last scum has to be Slaandar, he didn't want to vote for Code yesterday no matter what. Its pretty clear to me now.

There is a slight chance its TVK, but that can be sorted out tomorrow.

TVK didn't hammer so its Code and Slaandar. But I also been in situations where the scum won't go with a quickhammer out of cowardice.

So either its Code/Slaandar with a manufactured argument or now less likely TvK is fucking with us.

[Code_X]

Smooth said nothing about TVK, Iknal or Internet Stranger. Thanks a bunch!

[Code_X]

Few things jump out reading TVK recently.

VOTE: TheTrollie

I thought it was quite obvious we'd go for him today, as he and SC played almost exactly the same the entire day 1.

Kondi, that reason you give to Trollie being town, wasn't that the exact reason that made him look like scum in the first place?

Then this post which I find really odd and a direct defence of IS.

Spoiler: Post 682

IS might not look good because of his recent sudden super-activity. But the way Code tried starting a case on wagon isn't convincing at all.

VOTE: Internet Stranger

Going by a few ISOs and looking back at yesterday and Dicknose's chart which is handy. I think IS is a likely scum candidate.

Everything else Code has added this is

Oh yeah I forgot that Trollie was the most obvious looking townie ever.

You conveniently managed to disbelieve Monkey's claims.

Ignored the whole GF situation.

And then played dumb when the scummiest townie known to man got lynched.

And I hasten to add have done nothing all game.

Nothing in this post convinces me that IS would be scum. If I had to pick between IS and Code, Code would be the one to go.

But then on the other side, we see Dannflor as we have never seen him before: determined. Mister "oh I'll FoS, cuz I'm not sure enough to vote and oh Monkey's claim might or might not be true" suddenly comes up with this.

I have one question for IS, after you voted Monkey, you have never thought anyone else was suspicious (besides Code_X while your trying to defend yourself)? You haven't voted anyone but Monkey and Code_X as far as I can see, Monkey turned up town, and your just voting Code to save your own skin. Other than that, you have had no other people you thought suspicious enough to vote, just a proved town. So, here's my question.

Why aren't you voting for scum, such as yourself?

So your against his reads because of earlier bad reads? Look at his current case before you critisize him.

Wow, and this comes after not even a strong case. I wonder where this determined Dann was the past two days?

Finally, when I saw Dann's post and thought of him as scum, I thought of kondi saying Dann townslipped. This didn't convince me back then and still doesn't convince me now. Kondi/Dann is a very possible scumteam. Dann/Code on the other hand wouldn't be as likely, but Dann's last post feels like he's more defending Code than attacking IS. And then we have the unknown factor Iknal who could fit in any scumteam, although I kinda feel like if he would be scum, his scumbud would've made sure he would be replaced by now. IS is also not cleared, although I wouldn't know at all who his scumbud would be. (It would be hilarious if it was Iknal).

So my reads are, the scum has to be one of (biggest candidate first)
Dann
Code
Kondi
Iknal
IS

The main bits that bug me are essentially he defends IS by attacking my case against him. And then suggests potential scum teams - the bit about kinda feel like if he was scum he'd have been replaced really gripes me. Wouldn't know who IS's scum partner is.

Ergh.

[Code_X]

Looking over Day 2 and Day 3

Neither post until 561 - which is some 3 pages and 36 hours after the day broke.

TVK votes Trollie based on the previous day. Vote count at the time of 561 was as follows.

thetrollie (3) - atlasblade, code_x, arugula
kondi (2) - monkeyman, dicknose
Internet Stranger (1) - kondi

not voting: tvk, internet stranger, thetrollie, iknal, dannflor

So TVK's vote could essentially be seen as scum hopping on the Trollie wagon.

Trollie pulls TVK up in 562 for that vote.

TVK then posts more reads in 573.
Dicknose, Arg, Monkey - town. Dann, Code, Kondi - leaning town. IS, Iknal, Arg and Trollie leaning scum.

Says very little about IS.

Internet Stranger, doesn't get any towncred, as he hasn't done anything for the town yet.

Trollie then ends up getting lynched.

Iknal/Slandaar missed a whole day. No one really commented on him.
TVK had those two posts. One a vote which kinda screams like a scum jumping on. Internet and Iknal didn't vote Trollie.


Iknal pops up start of Day 3 and has no actual content as per usual.

TVK 627 is merely a place holder post.

637 - IS scum gets to three votes. Kondi, Code and Dicknose. Iknal/TVK don't post and then IS gets to lynch -1 after Dann votes him in 672

Monkey votes Code.

TVK then 682 with IS at lynch-1 votes Dann thinks Code is scummier than IS. I've mentioned this post previously.

What I didn't notice was he doesn't actually vote Dann. Which I find odd.

I then end up unvoting IS. Due to argument with Monkey/Kondi.

Nothing happens for days everyone lets it drift. Still nothing from Iknal. TVK has dissapeared again.

Slandaar appears in 719. TVK asks Dann if he has any response to 682.

I then put IS back to lynch -1.

Slandaar makes his first proper post 741 and the first proper post from that slot since 262 or whenever it was.

He switches the case from IS to Dann. It's not the worst case I've ever read but at the same time could still be seen as saving Dann's bacon. He has a town read on TVK and IS. Then defends IS again in 742 for not going after Monkey after the claim.

Slandaar remains strong on Dann/Code scum. TVK remains absent.

We need to lynch Dann hes obvscum here
If im wrong 100% lynch me tomorrow or monkey vig tonight
I AM right though.

Kondi asks IS what he thinks of TVK in 788. TVK has pretty much just glided through the game.

Slandaar still after Dann in 801. Almost tunnelling on him - fails to join the Code wagon which I'm meh about being as we're both town.

* Slandaar what do you mean by this?

Tvk needs to post aswell, having tvk one of the most sane people in this game being so quiet is really hurting

Slan again sticks up for IS.

IS is town its pretty obvious, he was too bull in a china shop about lynching monkey, that doesnt come from scum. Scum love to sit back and let the town decide the course of action to take regarding a claimed pr
Also his views are unique he is not sheeping, he is giving his own unique views, he is town. JUST like Tvk.

Kondi switches to Dann in 826. Before TVK reappears in 828 and also votes Dann - based I'm guessing on 682. Feels a little opportunistic.

Bit more mud being flung by Slandaar at myself and Dan. Dicknose votes Dann. IS hammers.

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Next day IS comes up with his cop bollocks. Has to be Slandaar - slight chance TVK.

The last scum has to be Slaandar, he didn't want to vote for Code yesterday no matter what. Its pretty clear to me now.
There is a slight chance its TVK, but that can be sorted out tomorrow.

Reading back 876 actually feels a townish thing to say. If scum team are Code/TVK then it makes sense for Slandaar to say this to Monkey. Want to read the argument between myself and Slan on 36 again.

TVK pops in at 899 - doesn't hammer known scum IS. Which obviously is a plus point if IS was town.


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Ergh. Thinking roughly about the NKs.

TVK as scum - not sure why he'd pick Monkey - but I was pretty much confident in Slan scum yesterday.
Slan as scum - I think to be honest he'd kill me ahead of Monkey but I may be WIFOMing here as Monkey also suspected Slan more.

TVK not voting again bugs me because it seems he's waiting for me to vote here.

Checking some time stamps. Meta and the like. My one big issue with Slandaar scum is he just won a game I played in as scum played brilliantly also!

However, I'm leaning TVK in all truth.

[Code_X]

I then try and get my lynch from there, which I managed, but obviously the flip was bad

See I don't like the way you say "I try and get my lynch" - it seems somewhat forced. I don't see why a townie would try and get a lynch as such. More so hunt around.

My big problem at this point is the complete lack of content from TVK/Iknal in the previous days. The interaction with IS on day 3 is pretty damning against both of you. IS reaches lynch -1 and you both offer a defence of him - push against Dann.

TVK does vote SC - but again I cannot decipher whether this is a bus or genuine. 682 really does grate on me though.

[Code_X]

Thought I'd take a look at the night kills - see if there's any logic behind them. I find the fact Monkey didn't get vigged until last night somewhat perplexing.

Night 1 - Jee

Seen as townie by pretty much everyone. Impossible at this point to lynch.

Says the below about TVK

dicknose - I like his posts. Seem to be overall town. Pointing out TvK for not hammering even though he said it would be an inevitable lynch was good, although TvK has a good response with 'he hasnt posted anything since his claim'.

TvK - Not sure. In post 403 he said:
In post 403, TvK wrote:
For Trollie and Arugula, and feeling more and more like you two are both town, even though desperately convinced that the other is scum. People are right when they say there are 13 players in this game. The only players that were targetted are Monkey, Trollie and Arugula, who possibly are all town. This leaves 3 or 4 laughing scums watching on the sidelines.

This section kind of erks me as trying to secure his side as town.

Says even less about Iknal. I doubt Iknal scum is concerned about him based on this post though.

Iknal - Hasn't said much, but seeing as he hasn't just jumped on a bandwaggon, I'm not getting to much of a scum read from him.

Leaning town: dicknose, MonkeyMan, Code_X, Iknal, Atlasblade
Null read: TvK, Internet Stranger, kondi, Arugula, Dannflor
Leaning scum: Smooth Criminal, TheTrollie

Night 2 Arugula -

Again makes sense from a point of being difficult to lynch. Monkey vig ignored. Most of the town thought Arugula was town.

The below is all he says about Iknal - or directs towards him. Again find it an unlikely reason to kill.

@TvK, Internet Stranger, Iknal, and atlasblade
I want to hear your thoughts on this whole escapade. I know it's long, but I really want to know what an unbiased viewpoint sees.

He does say the below about IS. So makes sense for IS to take the lead if Iknal is absent for IS to kill Arugula.

I think IS is scummy, but when there are people like you alive, they take a backseat.

Says a bit more about TVK. Calls him out in 296
His reads in this post are below.

Town
MonkeyMan
dicknose
Code_X

Scum
TheTrollie
kondi
TvK
Smooth Criminal

Everyone else is null ATM.

Doesn't say much else bar this - near end of Day 2.

One or two of the inactive 4 (most likely Internet Stranger and TvK could be scum if Trollie and kondi aren't.

Dicknose Night 3

Says a fair bit more about both - understandably.

Iknal comes in for a bit of heat in 618 and 624. Also called out for lurking.

Excellent. I'm pretty sure the remaining scum are within Iknal, Dannflor, TvK, and IS, and willing to bet it's the last two.

VOTE: Internet Stranger

That post is really significant at this point.


Says little about Slandaar - merely asks him if he'll claim third mason.


Regards Dicknose and TVK.

Not a lot. Few issues early on where Dicknose questions why TVK's read on Smooth changes.

Then presses him on giving Kondi town points in 583

And then really it's 636

[Code_X]

vote count d5 #

ITS ALL UP TO YOU CODEX

Yeah fun and games!!

[Code_X]

TVK - you've been about today. Lost your tongue?

[Code_X]

VOTE: TVK

Fingers crossed.

I'm about 70/30 on TVK. If I'm wrong sorry all.

[Code_X]

Fucks sake!



Well played Slandaar, IS and Smooth. Next time I'm sticking with my gut and not even bothering to re-read.

Balls.............

[Code_X]

Yeah gutted. I ended up going back over everything too much. I started the day about 90/10 going for Slandaar also so really peeved.

Never mind. Good game, well modded and a good bunch of players and sorry to Trollie

[Code_X]

@ Kanye - I thought the modding was grand, no issues and the lke and the deadlines I preferred them to the usual two weeks batch of lurking. Everyone posted pretty much daily bar I guess Iknal so that helped.

@ Dann - I thought you played okay mate. You got picked on somewhat day 3 and I wish I defended my town read more then. The fact you were posting loads and without much care in the first few pages made me feel pretty early on you were town. Shame the scummers twisted things about.

Town's biggest problem was the tunnelling of Trollie, inactivity of TVK and my fricking over-analysis. I should have sat back and slowed down during the Trollie lynch. Mind if I'd have been gung ho in lylo we'd have won

[Code_X]

Mate no worries! You had me fooled just enough. Replacing into a scummy slot and leading the scum to victory is a job well done.

Ditto IS for his earlier play.

[Code_X]

Mate no worries! You had me fooled just enough. Replacing into a scummy slot and leading the scum to victory is a job well done.

Ditto IS for his earlier play.