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[Toon Fighter]

Vote: babyblue

Voting is the best way to welcome a new player to the forum ^^

[Toon Fighter]

Wow, this game is moving so fast. From what I've read, I find that Parama might have a point, but it's too early to tell. I say we watch babyblue carefully until she makes another slip, and lynch her then. From what I've seen, she seems to be a PR, and lynching those D1 gives bad karma.

The scum I've noticed is actually weirdalex. That whole discussion with Argula reeks of scum to me. I'll provide better reasoning later, but for now I'll

unvote Babyblue, vote: weridalex

[Toon Fighter]

I'll do the same. I've stated my suspicion of him and Parama. I'd rather have Parama out, but Aru is fine too. Both have been acting weird this whole phase. No reason to keep my vote where it is right now, either.

Unvote: Gregory
Vote: Arugula

Blatant bandwagoning? I don't like this post at all, but I'll hold my vote for now.

Mattp is right, baby would make a fine slip. However, I think it's far too early to go for the lynch, and I think we have a better chance of catching scum with another hang.

[Toon Fighter]

In weirdalex, what caught my attention most was his post 119, with crappy reasons to vote and an overall OMGUS aimed at Aragula, taking advantage of Parama's posts aimed at him. I just don't like the overall aspect of that post.

Although, Aragula's next post is an attempt to look good in comparison, withdrawing the vote and (I guess) expecting weird to do the same, giving me some scum vibes as well. I could see this interaction coming from scum-scum, trying to pseudo-bus each other (but not likely though). I will re-read it tonight and try to come up with better theories.

[Toon Fighter]

Why is greg scum? Can you give me a short list of points against him?

[Toon Fighter]

@Aragula, about FShadow: Keeping a vote on you is not neceseraly scummy by itself. Also, you accuse me of fencesitting and being unsure in my opinions, but your last post is exactly that: a list of "semi-scummy" things people said, but no conclusion for one side or the other. You seem to be firing in every direction, maybe attempting to mislead town into a mislynch? Just sayin'

[Toon Fighter]

Well, where's the decent case on me?

[Toon Fighter]

WTF, I go to sleep and when I get back the game has doubled in size. Anyway...

Aragula was being hypocritical, saying I was fencesitting and it was scummy, and that mykonian was more decided on his analysis and that was scummy as well. Also, he himself had already quite an impressive town/scum list, so... He is scummy as well? (see page8)

Mattp tried a gamble, and it could result not in finding scum, but in the mod having to replace a couple of players. Bah, I hate those gambles. However, I am inclined to believe both Mattp and Venmar are town during their interaction. The same can't be said with certainty of Near.

And now, his stupid off-topic conversation with babyblue is just pissing me off. There have been complaints about off-topic in the previous pages, and these two keep going with it, making the game way too long with little content. Please stop it.

[Toon Fighter]

And I move to

unvote, vote: Near

. Seriously, I could be expecting that from babyblue, but just switching from on-topic discussion to... muffin preference? That's just something that doesn't sit well with me. (This vote is more on policy lynch, and trying to get the game more serious)

[Toon Fighter]

I was saying that I expected you to do that, but I thought Near would stay on-topic. If you have nothing game related to say, say nothing. Don't go around discussing food and movies -.-

[Toon Fighter]

Greg's last couple of posts were scummy too. His hiding behind the Mattp's case gives me hints of bandwagoning, especially as it is a very weak case, as myk pointed out. You seem to be voting purely because of the wagon and your personal opinions of Mattp, and you are the one who goes after the wagons, not Matt. You RV Baby at the beginning, then kept with your RV as long as her wagon had momentum (and Parama) behind it, now you just move on to the next wagon.

After rereading the thread, weirdalex seems les suspicious, but I stil didn't like his interactions with Aragula at the start of the game. I'm giving him a discount because it was the very beginning and part of it was joking/RV. I may get back to it later, though.

I'd like to see more from my current scumreads, Aragula and Near, and (to a lesser extent) Gregory. They seem to come and go at whim, make a couple of posts to look active and then disappear again (especially Gregory and Aragula). From Near I'd like responses to my previous posts and points agains him, and explanations for his sudden off-topic conversations with Babyblue.

[Toon Fighter]

unvote

I appreciate Near's explanation, and I buy it for now. I should find a better place for my vote.

I apologize for criticizing you (Aragula) on your presence on the game. I was taken by the fast activity on the last couple of days and wanted more. But that does not excuse your poor cases and votes, and I will get back to you.

@FS: Scumhunter does not seem to be on the same team as BB, as she called him out on his lurkiness, and even moved to policy lynch him for it, and I don't know if she'd be ready to bus a mafia partner so eagerly (of course, I could be wrong, I've never played with BB before)

Aragula keeps pointing at random, and chainsaw defending BB. I'd be more inclined to believe a team between those two. I honestly don't know how BB knew that rule, given that she didn't even knew what a GF was, and is fairly new to the site. Also, I checked the first page of the game, and in the game-specific rules there is nothing about out-of-game wagers. Her knowledge levels seem to fluctuate wildly between roles and rules, and I too am intrigued. Aragula's attack on FS seems strange to say the least.

And for now I'll

vote: Aragula

[Toon Fighter]

I gave other reasons about your scumminess in other posts, this time I changed my vote because it was being useless on Near and because I had already stated you as my scum read. Your vote on FS is not good, and consist more in defending BB than providing actual reasons for his scumminess, and that was just another reason for moving my vote onto you.

[Toon Fighter]

And sorry, I thought your name really was Aragula. I'll write it right next time.

[Toon Fighter]

no, but I can't rule out that possibility. I'd put my money on the 'newb from another site' theory

[Toon Fighter]

I guess Echo is nº 1 priority, and that we have a vig here.

Anyway, I'll hold my vote until Echo posts. I don't want a quicklynch

[Toon Fighter]

Soooo...my bad on callnig BabyBlue town and all.

you are town, no worries

[Toon Fighter]

Good posting by Matt. Greg nº2 in lynch list

[Toon Fighter]

FTR
The second shot needs to claim today
BEFORE A HAMMER
Not claiming = SK assumption

Can you explain why, Parama?

[Toon Fighter]

vote: Echo

After reading the day and the arguments so far I think this is our best shot at scum. SH does have a point, Greg's claim is great for scum, a bit risky, but if the result is a cop lynch then it more than makes up for it. So, Greg for scum nº3.

I agree that SH's claim may be fake, but I'm more willing to lynch Echo than him now. Let's give him a night, see the resulting NK's, and decide from there. If he is still alive and Greg flips town (if he gets NK'd), we lynch him. What do you think?

pedit:

unvote

How far along is the lynch? I don't want to Hammer now

[Toon Fighter]

Ok, I counted, and there are only 2 votes on him

vote: Echo

[Toon Fighter]

Well, if SH really is town, then Greg made an optimal play. He was already under suspicion, and nº2 to lynch behind Echo since the beginning of the game. He was set to die tonight or tomorrow, if there is a SK. Claiming now for Greg is good, since it not only clears Echo for another day (if they are in a pair), but gets a cop lynched and gets a night more (and probably more, since we are not guaranteed to lynch him tomorrow), losing nothing.

[Toon Fighter]

*beginning of the day, not game

[Toon Fighter]

By my count it's still 4 votes, L-2

[Toon Fighter]

Well, you seem very focused against me. Oh well.

For the extra kill N1, I think we may have either:

1) Limited shot vig - don't know if it is normal, can you tell me?
2) SK and Mafia aiming at SH - unless Gunsmiths can get guilty on SK (and I'm pretty sure they don't) why kill the gunsmith?
3) The setup was 10-2-1, and we only have a SK left - again, unless Gunsmiths can get guilty on SK (and I'm pretty sure they don't) why kill the gunsmith?
4) JOAT with vig shot - again, is this normal?
5) Someone has NK immunity/there is a doctor of sorts in the setup - most likely in my opinion
6) A roleblocker blocked one of the kills? - unlikely, but could happen

So, this is what I came up with. I love setup speculation x)

Regarding the vote today I'll

vote: Parama

for a simple reason: he's been leading the town since D1, going for the lynch in BB and Echo. If I was scum N1, I'd prefer to kill him rather than kill either Near or Arugula. He'd be the logical kill, the aggressive town (?) player, getting BabyBlue, bossing town around, full of opinion, etc. I know, NK speculation, don't do it, bla bla bla, but, for me at least, killing Parama N1 would be a good choice for either Scum or a SK. However, he is still alive D3. How is that? My theory is that he either bussed BabyBlue and Echo, or is our SK (and, if he is a BP SK, he'd be immune to the NK N2, and that would account for the lack of NK that night. Of course, that would mean he killed SV, but, as has been commented, a SK wouldn't kill him. meh)

[Toon Fighter]

Well, I'll just

Claim: Townie

I don't think MattP is 100% correct. BabyBlue could have outed one other scum, but keep quiet about the other. Besides, the one she seemed to have outed (Greg) is pretty much confirmed town by this point. We can't be 100% sure that the remaining scum wasn't in her wagon.

Myk could still be the last scum, with the kill made by Echo, he'd still be cleared by the tracker. I'm not sure about this, though, I'd need to reread D1 and D2 to see the interactions between the known scums.

Parama is still a suspect to me, he just seems to me the kind of person that would bus like that. I've been scum with him once, and he did a similar play (only that time, it was with me as the bussed scum). I could definitely see him doing the first bus, realizing Echo had to be the second lynch, and going for him after that, riding the town cred to the win.

weird as the vig seems believable enough. His clues are there, and I don't think he'd fakeclaim at this point. But, this gives town way to much power. If the setup really is 10-3, I can't imagine what the last scum PR is to counter a Cop, a Gunsmith, a Tracker AND a 2-shot vig.

That is all for now. Go Town!

[Toon Fighter]

That still doesn't clear Myko. Echo could have killed and not framed

[Toon Fighter]

Just to sum up the results and claims so far:

wierdalexv - claimed 2-shot vig, unchecked
Parama - unclaimed, unchecked
Scumhunter - claimed cop, checked as "Having a Gun" by SV
Gregory - claimed tracker, checked as innocent by scumhunter
mykonian - unclaimed, tracked N1 visiting no one by Greg
FightingShadow - unclaimed, unchecked
MattP - unclaimed, tracked N2 visiting no one by Greg
Toon Fighter - claimed townie

[Toon Fighter]

Just to sum up the results and claims so far:

wierdalexv - claimed 2-shot vig, unchecked
Parama - unclaimed, unchecked
Scumhunter - claimed cop, checked as "Having a Gun" by SV
Gregory - claimed tracker, checked as innocent by scumhunter
mykonian - unclaimed, tracked N1 visiting no one by Greg
FightingShadow - unclaimed, unchecked
MattP - unclaimed, tracked N2 visiting no one by Greg
Toon Fighter - claimed townie

Assuming all claims and results are true, that leaves us with:

Parama - unclaimed, unchecked
FightingShadow - unclaimed, unchecked
mykonian - unclaimed, tracked N1 visiting no one by Greg
Toon Fighter - claimed townie

I know I'm not guilty, so we have Parama, FightingShadow and myk. I'll read on them again and try to see which one is scummiest

[Toon Fighter]

Toon has NO CLUE how I play scum. I don't just decide lollet'sbustwoplayersonthefirsttwodaysandthenhopetododgealynchuntillylo

You wouldn't have to decide that right away. You could start with soft busing Babyblue, until it was obvious she had to be lynched. Afterwards, D2, Echo had been given away by her, so, you had to bus him as well. Not to mention, the whole town knew Echo had to be lynched after D1, you just had to go along with it. I'm not saying it would be your "master plan", or that you decided from the start, I'm just saying that you had to bus in order to stay alive, and afterwards you hoped to ride your town cred to a scum win.

[Toon Fighter]

SH
The issue with that post is that he votes then unvotes in the same post. It means nothing.

I voted again in the next post, after I checked the vote tally x)