Mini 1360: Game Over- 8/10/12

[Thor665]

I better self vote then.

Vote: evilpacman

Also, I support a lynch of either of the DTs just because that will probably confuse me if they're both left alive..

[Thor665]

Vote: Gorckat

[Thor665]

Because I think you're scum - I would have thought that would be self-explanatory.

[Thor665]

Well rblinker and dt's troll are pretty much confirmed town the way I see it

You actually forgot me, I was the original cognitive dissonance case that busted him - I'm actually more confirmed than rblinker right now, because that *might* have been a desperation distance (though I'm wagering not, as I don't think he expected it to go that suddenly)

[Thor665]

It's great that were pretending you're at L-1, because that's where you are.

You said you read the game - what are your thoughts, if any?

[Thor665]

Why is the other DT being considered clear? Because of the name similarity? Nothing in those 3 whole posts says 'clear'.

Yeah, it's the name thing.
Or...y'know, the way he pushed the wagon forward in a way that didn't look like bussing at all - that part. I forget, it's one of them.

Although Thor is a close second given the lack of substance on why he thinks someone who didn't post due to flaking, not picking up role pm and a quick day one is scum.

I would think PoE is all the case I need.
You flaking has nothing to do with anything.

[Thor665]

That's true and my posting was still more towny than you.

Why aren't you addressing evilpacman's case on you? Not only is it a good case but...he's confirmed town in your mind so probably that case needs addressing, yeah?

[Thor665]

The one where he's pointing out your fakeclaim is fake and claimed.

[Thor665]

I don't self vote unless I'm scum.

His case is actually quite telling - no Newbie has the role 'sane cop' because all cops are sane. I've never been in a Normal with a 'sane cop' because, again, all cops are sane. So it begs the question why your role is 'sane cop' a bit (and by 'a bit' I mean, 'a lot')

Also, he's so convinced on it he's literally shutting down and voting you - and you know he's town, so...whut?

[Thor665]

Unvote: gorckat

[Thor665]

Please claim your full role - as presented in PM, that is allowed.

I want to know if it's;

Sane Daycop

or Daycop, Sane

or Cop, Sane and Day

or whatever the fug - this should take seconds.

[Thor665]

You led into day 2 with a vote on a slot with no posts. You want a quicklynch because it puts the town in lylo and you can off the more confirmed of blinker and iDT (mostly and not really, repsectively) and go for a similar Day 3. By voting first, you get ahead of the town and don't have to be the hammer. Fairly smart move, imho.

Wouldn't I...uh, y'know, kinda kill the sane cop confirmed town player first?

This makes me doubt my unvote quite strongly, but let's get the claim out of you anyway and then I'll tell you if I'm going 1 v1 with you.

[Thor665]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p1466688

Vote: Gorckat

[Thor665]

Specifically - in the only normal game the mod had where he had a cop, this is how he phrased the PM;

"You are the COP. Each Odd Night (nights 1, 3 5 etc), you may investigate one player by sending me their name. I will tell you their alignment. Your sanity is guaranteed. "

He didn't think to call the role sane at that point - I could see re-wording it to something different, but there's a core mentality behind changing the role name from the site wide general to a very specific and odd one. I'm not buying it.
You can self vote now.

[Thor665]

Sure, we can use that as the logic.

[Thor665]

Scum will likely win on Night 3 though, so...

[Thor665]

Yeah - he didn't use those in the role name either. Just 'Cop' go figure.

[Thor665]

Literally the last one is the only one I'd even accept as an example as the other two both contained examples of the second game being a standard build with a wiki page where they copied the language used there...because, y'know, that was the point.

That said, the example I'm talking about is rather different from what you're talking about.

For example, take ThAd's most recent three modded games that are not so themed as to have non-standard names (of which there is one, where town was not called town, so...);

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19039
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=16745
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=17230

Townie, townie, townie. Bet I could do that for both of the other two with no particular difficulty.

If you wish to argue that this is an odd departure for our mod, that's at least something. But this counter is weak.

@evilpac - thought, in the mod's last small game he *did* get rung out for a weak town. This is also the day prior to lylo. I think I'm supporting a massclaim, we can let gorckat the wonderboy start off the popcorn. If there are no other town roles then he is almost assuredly confirmed town and shouldn't be lynched at all. If there are other roles then we have that information and can make a better lynch decision. Your thoughts?

[Thor665]

All vanilla with 2 scum with a 7 player start is pretty heavily scum favored - why would you even surmise that as a possibility?

I'm pretty darn content with his lynch, and his 1 v1 AtE is in my head a bit, massclaim would tend to clear the air a bit, and if he is the only PR you won't have my vote on him as then we'll be looking for the less likely options and having two possible lynches of them as opposed to only one. Bet hedging.

[Thor665]

Also, while we're talking about it - his last mini game was 8 players (with a Vig) and was called scum favored and Batt agreed it was as such. If he drops it to 7 (which is basically like the Vig shooting N0, auto killing town, and then also being unaware he is the Vig) the mod did *something* to it that wasn't just all vanilla in order to swing balance back towards town.

There is at least one PR out there, I would bet the game on it, i no one else is a PR then, terrible name claim or not, Sparky there is confirmed in my eyes.

[Thor665]

In fact,

Unvote: Gorckat

he of the terrible claim and likely scum.

We *are* massclaiming today, unless someone sees something glaring and brilliant I am missing.

[Thor665]

pacman- you answer the question yourself...Thor is paranoid because he's quickly been worked into a corner.

It's on page 4 because blinker is being the only rationale townie (not counting myself because I'm offering a self vote) and iDT hasn't been around.

Your hysterics since my claim are concerning- a GF would probably be balanced against a daycop and I don't think you want things to draw out so I can figure out what it was I didn't like about your posts day 1.

You don't need to keep trying to claim scum. You did that well enough already.

[Thor665]

Yeah- no massclaim until everyone is weighed in.

Yeah, and then massclaim, because it makes painfully obvious good sense.

Oh, wait, I need to translate that into your language, don't I? Hold on...

You being against massclaim shows your hysteria and fear, your scum plan is busted and you know you don't want to go 1 v 1 with another claimed PR! The only way to avoid this is to support massclaim or self vote now!

There, that should work for you.

[Thor665]

If he turns up to be scum I will apologize.

If he flips town you'll owe me a cookie.

[Thor665]

We're mass claiming - I said that already.

[Thor665]

Claim: VT

I popcorn it to rblinker.

[Thor665]

Well, we can't lynch me because you're a dolt without a case, but I agree were not lynching you. If nothing else you should pay some attention to who just saved your poor playing backside and show some props you silly derp, I had your lynch and walked away from it.

Vote: rblinker

[Thor665]

@iD - the question isn't if you think he's useless - I have some strong opinions there myself. The question is do you think he's town or scum.

It's a valid question - the *only* way he's scum is if we have a PR derp enough to lie and call themselves VT...
or
You think this is 5/2 all VT.

Neither option seems likely, so...?

[Thor665]

That was the hammer - if he flips cop I still want cookies.

[Thor665]

I;m honestly expecting a town flip. He was playing terribly, sure, but a PR-less game in a non-open build?
Your hammer was bad.

[Thor665]

You've never seen a day role?

I've been a day role - twice I think (though one was an intentional mod mind screw)

[Thor665]

If he does I will bow to your reads on this one. The slot is scummy via PoE, sure, but I'm betting on my outguessing the mod read more.

[Thor665]

Trolololol - someone should have told scum I was actually almost getting paranoid about the Godfather possibility.

Okay, so I was pulled into endgame with rblinker the guy I want to lynch and who I think is scum.
And iDT - the guy I think is obv. town.

So...iDT, how come I'm not supposed to just vote you for awesome town win and lulz?

[Thor665]

Also:

Dear town who lynched obv. town Gorkcat forcing Thor to get this right in one lynch instead of two...I hate you.

Signed
Thor665.

[Thor665]

I'm leaning towards rblinker123

So he just derp hammered his scumbuddy on Day 1 and then tried to claim he didn't actually intend to hammer?
Because, y'know, when you speed lynch a partner you need to distance from the decision so that you don't get too much town cred, amirite?

And I'm more confirmed town than Pac was, frankly. So...either present a Loki case or dance to my tune as it is meant to be.

[Thor665]

Who do you think is the Godfather?

[Thor665]

Yeah, and my whole "we are NOT lynching this guy" defense which you dolts pushed through anyway was all masterfully planned on my part because I knew you would go ahead and do the best thing possible for me, which is lynching the cop, that only I was smart enough to look at and recognize was a legit cop claim?


Pull the other one it has bells on.

And, yeah, I am confirmed town - your point? Either make a case and vote me or vote rblinker and try to sell me that you're not the last scum - those are your options.

[Thor665]

I am slightly happier now.

If you're town I still hate you though.
If you're scum keep going as you are.

I will agree that rblinker's current playstyle this game day is pretty much optimal for scum and terrible for town though, you have a point there.

[Thor665]

I rub you the wrong way - also known as 'not smart enough to seperate scumtells from playstyle issues'
Meh.

What is it you'd like to ask rblinker when he shows up? He hasn't logged into site since the thread reopened and he's a slow poster anyway, so you might speed up things if you got your questions out there earlier for him, yeah?

[Thor665]

Here's a pop quick for you - rblinker is scum, why does he not nightkill the guy no one has expressed suspicion of who has openly stated he wants to lynch him.

Go!

[Thor665]

Hopefully someday someone will policy lynch you over those pictures.

How exactly is asking for his scum strategy going into today WIFOM? I think either you have no idea what that means or you think it means something totally different than what it does mean. Theoretically we should need to figure out the scum motive that led to the kills because it can help us figure out who the scum is, yeah? I guess I could just post a few .gifs and ramble for a while without saying anything conclusive, but that seems silly.

@rblinker - I'm highly motivated to believe iDT is scum, you should get in here and explain why I'm right while I'm feeling vulnerable and motivated to derp hammer - the other town got to do it yesterday so I'm due one.

[Thor665]

Because really, everyone would play scum differently, so asking what I would do if I were in his situation doesn't really help in figuring out his thinking imo. But if you want to we can think about it more. Why do you think you're alive good sir?

1. You want scum to have to adjust kills because town discusses them - otherwise they just always kill the person that it is best for them to kill.
2. I've explained why I think I'm alive, because you're scum.

Thor, you’ve claimed your town many times and even said your more confirmed town than Pacman was. That’s not true, what’s there to say that your more confirmed town than Pacman was?

It's called DTmaster's iso - he was trying to legitly lynch me for a solid chunk of the day. If you think that was just scum distancing you better go and read Day 1 and explain to me how it was just scum distancing.

About the previous lynch like already pointed out by iD-DT, unvoting the cop, could be seen as distancing, since if your scum you’d know he’d flip town.

There is a difference between saying "I think he'll flip town"
and
"We are not lynching him, he will flip town, let's lynch someone else."

A rather large difference.

I’m more leaning towards Thor as scum, as I don’t think iD-DT has done much to warrant suspicion.

Good point - what did I do to warrant suspicion? Let me know and I'll self vote.

[Thor665]

About the previous lynch like already pointed out by iD-DT, unvoting the cop, could be seen as distancing, since if your scum you’d know he’d flip town.

There is a difference between saying "I think he'll flip town"
and
"We are not lynching him, he will flip town, let's lynch someone else."

A rather large difference.

I'm actually quoting this again because I'm so full of rage about the suggestion.
Did you EVEN READ THE CASE I MADE THAT PROVED HE WAS TOWN!
That is not scum distancing, that is scum hunting. You should learn the difference because one makes someone scummy and the other makes them ruddy confirmed town who as the only person with half a brain yesterday.

[Thor665]

Hey, you know what Thorscum's plan yesterday was?

To try to desperately stop derp town from lynching the cop by convincing them all the cop was confirmed town.
He did this so that, when he got to lylo today, he would be in lylo with confirmed town and one other player.

Because, y'know what scum love? Going into lylo with confirmed scum!
Thor's scum plan is the BESTEST scum plan EVAH!

[Thor665]

Oh my gawd - I actually can't tell if you're pretending or if you're actually that bad at playing.

Tell me again about how I "randomly" stopped voting the claimed cop.

Y'know, considering I was quite clear in pointing out why I did...y'know, with the case I made.
If you really can't find it let m know and I'll quote it and we'll call you derp Master for the rest of the game - I can do that too.

[Thor665]

@Daed QT - considering you're all yelling at me now (and to hell with you pacman) *this* is crazy. I'm supposed to look at that level of derp and figure out scum? It's exactly that level of derp that led to the confirmed cop mislynch yesterday..

Ugh.

If there hadn't been the derp lynch yesterday I could have been rid of the lurksack or the Derp Master and I wouldn't even have this issue. I can already foresee the quote wars with these drps as well. One will keep not even begining to understand what I'm saying, and the other will lurk out for about a week between every reply. Which means I actually am going to need to go and re-read all of DT's blather and the interplay yesterday on the bad cop push, and just try to sort out which of them is scum off of that because today is going to be useless.

I hate my life now.

Okay, I'm going back to do some of the footwork - if *anyone* in that dead QT has used the phrase "It's obvious" then first off you better be *hating* on the cop lynch and second off, I am totally missing the obvious part, you better have spelled that out for me really clearly to see so I'll understand it later.

[Thor665]

::headdesk:: and neither of them can see I'm obv. town because they also aren't smart enough to see why the cop was obv. cop.

FML.

[Thor665]

Hurm - looking at Day 1 the Idiot Master is doing a pretty hard bus if partners with DT.
DT also whips out the push on rblinker on the late side - the question is if he was going for the distancing or if he still didn't think he was in danger and was going for the mislynch.

Playerwise, rblinker looks weak at that point, so it feels mislynchy.
Also, if rblinker bussed it was a really bad bus.

[Thor665]

OH gawds, and both of them waited to put Gorckat on L-1 and scurried away from the lynch like scared mice.

It hurts my soul to say - but Idiot Master looks more pro town in her case just because...it's so bad, and it comes at a point the rblinker wagon was there to be had.

I'm having a hard time justifying that with all the misreps and terrible language paired with no vote and calling me most confirmed on me today - it's like a double decker sandwich of appeasement buddying and misrep scum wagon pushing.

[Thor665]

Hey, Idiot Master - I did offer you a challenge in my last post.

Can you or can you not find the case I made for the Cop being obvious cop yesterday?
A lot of your derp case centers on that, I just want you to verify that you have no idea what I'm talking about when I say case and that you fully believe I was "random" in unvoting Gorckat?

Also, I don't want to buddy either of you, because one of you is scum and I hate you, and the other is really poor playing town, and I hate them too.

[Thor665]

Oh my gawd - I actually can't tell if you're pretending or if you're actually that bad at playing.

Tell me again about how I "randomly" stopped voting the claimed cop.

Y'know, considering I was quite clear in pointing out why I did...y'know, with the case I made.
If you really can't find it let m know and I'll quote it and we'll call you derp Master for the rest of the game - I can do that too

.

[Thor665]

D-2 you wanted the cop dead, then RANDOMLY moved to rblinker123. And the cop wanted to kill you iirc, but you pulled the "no case" line out of your bag of 3 phrases and he just moved on.

If you are town, you should slap yourself for posting this.
I want you to clarify if you really believe this - because I want to mke sure you do before I draw that conclusion about your play skill.

[Thor665]

I said why you jumped off the cop, "no one else claimed so it he must be cop", but the random part was the rblinker123 vote. And I don't really think that's a case. If anything that's just a personal opinion. You even said, "in your eyes" he was cleared. That doesn't mean everyone thinks like that.

So we agree I had a case that made it clear he was the cop?

I thought that was what made me more scum?

I remember you breaking down how me "knowing" not to lynch him made me scum...even though I made a case that you claimed didn't exist when you accused me of not explaining anything.

I take it we're agreeing now that;

1. Thor has explained some things.
2. Thor did have functional explanation and reason to see Cop as obv. town.

Is there anything else in your case on me? Oh, I remember, how I got the cop to "drop" the case by pointing out his case was dumb. Well; it *was* dumb, and he *did* notice that...and also he was able to see the case on rblinker...heck, *you're* apparently able to see a case on rblinker, but I'm scummy because I didn't say it out loud? Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Is there any other brilliant observations in your accusation wall I'm missing in the above? If so, let m know and I'll point out how derp and bad they are as a case. Then you and rblinker can cross vote as gawd intended and I can make you wait while I sit around to flip a coin while raging at the Dead QT as gawd intended.

[Thor665]

Oh, wait, I remember another point against me - the self vote thing.

Derpy-de-doo-dah, that's my rebuttal to that horrid point.

Especially since you're unable to produce the evidence I asked you to produce in order to generate the self vote - almost as though Thor knew the evidence was made up and unable to be provided, therefore making it an easy promise to make because he knew he'd never need to do it.

[Thor665]

Which was kind of the point of the promise, actually...

[Thor665]

@Dead QT - Okay, so the pacman kill.

It strikes me as a simplistic kill at the core. The basic breakdown is this; the kill makes sense for rblinker scum only if he's not the most clever scum player.
The kill makes sense for Idiot Master either if she is or isn't a clever scum player.

I wish I could just apply the 'only clever' to that one as that would make my vote easier.

It all really comes down to rblinker - Idiot Master has been a collasal lump of non-noteworthy play this game and has literally no interactions that are interesting except for the L-1 on the cop which is so cloaked in derp as to be hard to read.

Rblinker meanwhile has the DT push on him and the derp hammer. Now, the push by DT is actually good.
The derp hammer is *so* bad for the scum team. He acts like a dolt and hamstrings his team instead of letting them flow into lylo the next day.

If he is ballsy or aggressive scum of any stripe that play makes sense. If he isn't then it doesn't.
DT's reactions to him are...hard to read. The initial push feels real to me, I tend to say that isn't bussing and is instead a hope to start up a counter wagon. The reactions afterward however read futzy to me. Makes sense that I need to try to figure out if rblinker is the type of aggressive scum player or not.

@rblinker

- You have any completed scum games on this or any other site? If so, I demand linkage of them!

Meanwhile I'm stuck with the lump that is Idiot Master. I referred to her antics Day 1 as a "hard bus" but it's not as much of one as I first implied. Functionally she ahs no posts after it moved to L-1 and then to hammer. Would she have blinked? We don't know. It waas still an aggressive move, and as newbie scum maybe she wouldn't try that? But then she's so clearly skimmy-ding-dong-gone that I'm not sure if I can honestly say what she would or wouldn't do. I think I need to just decide with rblinker, if I can get a feel for his scum game I think I can get a feel for the derp hammer. That ought to provide me vote impetus.

And, yeah, I know Dead QT, you actually do care (also, you need to be mocking pacman while he's there - he deserves it for leaving me this)

[Thor665]

Interesting note - the Konoha kill is actually a pretty clever scum kill.

[Thor665]

@Mod - just reminding you that in 16 hours rlurker is due for a prod

[Thor665]

I'm not even sure if I'd be happier with a replace or modkill. One gives me a totally new person to have to read in a slot with barely anything to read. The other at least lets me blame mod if rblinker is town...but will end up hating life for it.

@DeadQT - So...do you guys actually have worthwhile conversation going on there? I'm still here as the lone obvious shining beacon of town and I've even come up with a plan of action (albeit one based on getting a response out of rlurker123...so, yeah, I'll agree not *brilliant* per se', but it's what I have.

IdiotMaster has also left after still providing no insights at all. Then again, if she was back and still thought of me as a scum suspect I'd be spending all my time calling her a derp and not reading her posts anyway. She's hedging like a champ while also not actually responding to how I owned the case on me - that reads pretty scummy to me I'll admit. Theoretically town should...y'know, give a fig about who scum is and would be scumhunting and questioning their case and the cases of others.

Then again town shouldn't speed lynch the obv. Cop...not that I'm still bitter about- Oh, no, wait, yeah, I'm still bitter - though more because you also lynched one of the only aactive posters and then scum killed the other.

So this is the FUNNEST game evah!

I WANT MY LINKS TO RBLINKER'S COMPLETED SCUM GAMES, I WANT THEM NA0W!

[Thor665]

Do you have any completed games at all?

And Idiot's issue was dumb, so...

[Thor665]

Links please?

[Thor665]

@Rblinker - you are scum and fake derphammered your partner for town credit.

You also voted for Gorkcat in a way that was odd. You hadn't wanted to vote earlier, but when he was no longer L-1 you jumped on the chance to vote him and then egged me on hopping I'd do the hammer and you could avoid any responsibility. You also popcorned to Pacman who, at the time, was confirmed town unless he was a Godfather (in which case you shouldn't have been voting for the claimed Doc, natch) and this shows how you're just faking all your scumhunting this game and need rope.

Discuss.

[Thor665]

claimed COP - whatever the fug.

[Thor665]

@DeadQT - what I love is she manages to attack me for my actions all while acting totally and completely like it is my call what we're doing today. Either that means she's got a serious town read on me (in which case, wtf with her actions) or it means she's scum just trying to lurk out and hoping I make the wrong call. She also, while whining about it, missed the comment I made about how I'd attacked her case and one would tend to expect a reply at it - instead she actually gets on a 'holier-than-thou' position of not responding to me because I'm not responding to her or reading things - she does this when I did respond to her and proves she's not reading things because she didn't notice the question I rather specifically lobbed at her.

I'm at a loss here, DeadQT.

[Thor665]

I talk to myself to find someone worth talking to.

If you think I'm town you need to ask yourself what rblinker would have to do to get you to vote me. If you can't come up with an answer you might as well vote and find out if you're wrong or not.

I don't become *that* much more insufferable once I'm confirmed town.

Additional thought - if you're not going to reply to my rebuttal of your case on me (because I owned it so hard and left it crying in an alley) would you like to add/disagree with/second anything in my case on rblinker?

[Thor665]

So...what's your plan to learn more before you vote? I mean, besides accusing someone of lurking while, though you're posting, you're about tied with him as far as legit thoughts offered up.

[Thor665]

No worries, it's not like the lurking case on you can get any bigger at this stage.

[Thor665]

@Pacman - you know what would have been nice? The ability to lynch both of these people.

[Thor665]

12 hours later.

Great day.

Whichever of you is town has earned extra bile from me for later.
Whichever of you is scum should try to contain the mad cackles of laughter.

[Thor665]

Why hello thar - it's almost as though Thor is the OBV. CONFIRMED TOWN he already said he was.

We return you to your derp already in progress.

[Thor665]

We are now also to the point I already said we were at THREE DAYS AGO!

Just saying.

[Thor665]

What made you change your mind on Gorckat?

Also, accusation - in your town games you switch votes very rarely while in this game you bounced around a lot. Thoughts?

[Thor665]

If you actually look further you’ll see that you’ve bounced around more than me with your votes.

So?

What made me vote Gorckat was that I didn’t believe the cop claim coz, I didn’t think there would be a day cop in a 7-mini normal, and I was leaning neutral on iD-DT, coz he had barely posted at the time, and I was leaning town on you and Pac at the time, so Gorckat looked to be scum out of the group.

But something changed your mind on those reads - when and where did that happen?
Otherwise you would have hammered him earlier, yeah?

[Thor665]

1. Actually, it does nothing of the sort - just because I vote switch often has nothing to do with you vote switching less often as town, the two ideas have no connection at all. What am I missing?

2. So it was nothing said in thread that changed your mind, you just wandered along and...huzzah?

[Thor665]

If you think i am scum you are drastically missing the point - derp.

Obviously one of you two derps is scum, I've said that, I've stated some of my thoughts as regards such, and am trying to work through it at my own pace.

Feel free to, y'know, pop in and be helpful in any way whatsoever though - that might help sell me on you being town.

What do you think of rblinker's replies to my case on him?
Also, what do you think it means that he didn't even seem to notice that you had voted for him and that I hadn't and what do you think that means for his alignment.

CRAZY NEWS FLASH FOR WHICHEVER OF YOU IS TOWN - I AM CONFIRMED TOWN, SO, Y'KNOW BE *REMOTELY* HELPFUL IN ANY WAY - KTHXBAI!

[Thor665]

Oh my gawd, it really is just a coin flip between obv. newbies. Rblinker isn't experienced enough to spot the obvious and Idiot Master isn't functional enough to do the obvious.

ARGGGH!

[Thor665]

Wait, holy cats, I just looked at rblinker's join date.

@rblinker - what is this gak?

[Thor665]

Provide the link pl0x.

[Thor665]

I don't see the proof of the statement - do you have any links where he says this is his strategy?

Bussing a Haylen buddy seems like common ruddy sense to me, not scum meta.

Also, how come you never responded to my reactions to your case on me?

[Thor665]

Well, yeah, but you also called me scummy, so...::shrug::

I'm waiting for rblinker to come back and answer my question about his newbness (and also lack of vote) and then I'll just get really happy eating cookies and random vote one of you.

[Thor665]

Because right now, if you're town, you know who scum is.

And you aren't voting, or even making a case on the last scum.

This horrifies and confuses me as a tell.

[Thor665]

I'm about to rage vote you just for the pictures - my scroll wheel shouldn't need to work that hard to get past a meaningless post with no backup reasoning.

[Thor665]

I'm about to just vote for rblinker because at least Idiot Master seems to slightly give a fig about the game.

[Thor665]

Because right now, if you're town, you know who scum is.

And you aren't voting, or even making a case on the last scum.

This horrifies and confuses me as a tell.

Why did that take you so long?

[Thor665]

Heck, you still haven't made a case.

[Thor665]

Okay, so I honestly can't figure out which of them looks more scummy. Both have some plusses, both have many negatives.

I'm going to just derphammer and hope here.

Last read through with random thoughts....

[Thor665]

Rblinker doesn't even seem to care about the game or about getting Idiot Master lynched.

Idiot Master is paranoid in a derpy way - I usually call that a town tell.

Idiot master makes more sense as the last scum considering the last NK...that said..."confirmed town" makes it a pretty sensible kill regardless.

rblinker has a derp hammer and Idiot Master has an awkward bus....

No Whammy, No Whammy...

Vote: rblinker

If I am wrong I hate you all.

If I am right...I still mostly hate you all.

[Thor665]

That pleases me.

I hate you all.

[Thor665]

I am horrified to see the derp continued in the Dead QT.

I am especially horrified that apparently no one understood how fething brilliant I was in figuring out Gorckat was ruddy confirmed town - egads to all of you! What part of past mod meta and "not a mountainous" were we missing here?

And then I'm accused of overthinking...ouch. I'll counter with 'maybe town should have thought...at all

It is games like this that make me wish to be a three shot, non-day ending Dayvig, I tell you.

[Thor665]

You were a perfectly fine player, DT. I actually hold no hatred in my soul for you and you did what you could to muddy the waters prior to death, which is what you should do.

I'm mostly grumpy at iD DT and Pacman for either not understanding my case for Gorckat=obv. town (in which case...y'know, *ask* me about it again) or they did understand it and just decided to speed lynch anyway for reasons that escape me. ...also Pacman for thinking I was scum while in the Dead QT

I was also annoyed at both the last scum and town player because both of them functionally lurked out and didn't engage - though I'll give iD DT props insomuch as she did do a better job of that than the last scum did, which was at least pro town by comparison which was nice to have. Basically neither really played for the win though, leaving me with very little new info to work off of and the old info was sparse and fairly equivalent.

[Thor665]

Oh, and if you mean in the Dead QT - that was actually just funny.

[Thor665]

Also, while we're talking about it - his last mini game was 8 players (with a Vig) and was called scum favored and Batt agreed it was as such. If he drops it to 7 (which is basically like the Vig shooting N0, auto killing town, and then also being unaware he is the Vig) the mod did *something* to it that wasn't just all vanilla in order to swing balance back towards town.

There is at least one PR out there, I would bet the game on it, i no one else is a PR then, terrible name claim or not, Sparky there is confirmed in my eyes.

Here's the gorckat=town case again.

Did I not scream it loud enough, or was the theory really just that the game was mountainous or something?

[Thor665]

I'll agree they were astronomical.
They were less astronomical than a situation of 'no PRs at all' though - and everyone else had claimed VT.

[Thor665]

I could see that, but that's why I was bringing up the mod meta as a counterpoint - when the mod agreed his previous game was scum sided he would not make a game that was identical to that one...but more favorable to scum.

Ah, well, it all worked out in the end and I continue my pretty awesome win ratio as town in lylo, so I can't be too grumpy. It just should have been easier - I like to be lazy.

[Thor665]

I thought the kill on you was obvious enough - your vote switch to DT Master on Day 1 was painfully aggressive without having any bussing energy to it. You forcibly made him a lynch candidate while not looking for any real glory on the wagon for yourself, making you fairly obv. town.