Mini 1379 - Game Over!

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi guys, how goes? Awaiting role card.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I have my role now. I claim town.

I will be reading the thread hopefully before I go to sleep. Kind of working on a fun side project to parse tons of games and come up with stats about scum/town posting styles so we'll see if I get to this or that.

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So I asked myself in my sleep (yes, I still dream about mafia) what I really felt about the players. About how, deep down, in my gut, I thought of each of them.

I seriously lost sleep over a mislynch I forced through once. Anyways, I'm catching up slowly. At work. Will be caught up before end of today.

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Im only on P5, but seriously how is CoolDog not dead?

VOTE: CoolDog

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BBMolla is town.
I think UN is town
Also think HF/RT are but less so than those 2.

P-edit: Im at work, kinda catching up intermittently. I'll make a case or whatnot once Im all caught up. Disclaimer: Im a fan of gut reads.

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Oh, also Trollie is probably scum. BBMolla was right about 59 being scummy as hell. I'd wagon someone to hell and back for that post alone.

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Coolio. Anywho, Axxle is prob-town.

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Lewl, its CoolDog and Trollie. Confirmation bias and all that good jazz.

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Robert is L - 1? Ew. Can we wagon Trollie? Hes definitely scum. Like I guarantee it. His cases are shallow as hell, hes putting no legitimate thought process into figuring stuff out (correct or otherwise).

CD is his obvious partner, but really lets kill Trollie

VOTE: trollie

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Seriously requesting that you guys let me catch up. Only on P7, I really want to get through this all before the end of Day. I'll be done before I go to sleep tonight.

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Kimor, who did you replace for my reference?

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Im on P8. >.>

And Im suspecting that one of the people not posting is the 3rd scum, (at that point) because everyone posting is town that isn't CD and Trollie. So its probably Kimor.

Mastin is quickly replacing Kimor in that 3rd slot

@Kimor: Calling me a newbie? Classy. I don't need your help. People (read as: scum) try and intimidate me all the time. Its their natural response to realizing how right I am.

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mastin let him finish

honestly he's being so ridiculous I cannot fathom that he's scum

AP is pretty ridiculous from what I've seen. Give me 10 or so more posts of his and I bet I can read him with 90% accuracy

Post # 1.

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AP's defending everyone else on my suspect list

I thought CoolDog was one of your big suspicions? Keep in mind Im on P10.

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So I'll make a super formal grouping of all my reads tonight after work but Im somewhat confident in 3 scum being in
{Trollie, CoolDog, mastin, Kimor, redtail} Everyone else is a pretty strong town read. Its probably Mastin, CD, Trollie.

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But lets face it. Why would Mastin abandon the RM wagon to chase RM's scum buddy (thats me!) when the RM wagon has 100x the potential of going through.

P-edit: oh Hi thee, explain?

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Lewl. This game is awesome. Im so right about Trollie/mastin.

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Well Mastin I am le waiting. For your super scum cover up. Hit me with it.

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Derp. Thats what I thought. If you really were town and thought RM was scum and thought I was coverin for him, you'd push the RM wagon through and come for me Tomorrow. GfG. Trollie is scum for generating noise with his buddy to distance.

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the fact that you have already voted (several times!

ITT: Serveral = 2.

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Im actually leaning Redtail/Trollie/Mastin, but ya I do want to do muh catchup to make sure Im not just OMGUSing redtail now. but seriously his posts up to P10 are all just fencing and light questioning.

P-edit:

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Hi BBMolla. No I'm not?

P-edit: Herp, derp you have one game of meta on me. Gratz. My 2nd on site game. I've changed.

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p-edit: i dont even want to read the other game

if he has changed for the better

because I know his alignment already.

ftfy

[AngryPidgeon]

Lol?

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No seriously, what the fuck do you want me to say? Meta cases are bullshit.

P-edit: No, BB is town. Just derp right now.

And tell me exactly how Im playing differently then. Actually don't, I really dont care.

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BB, I'm voting scum. Why aren't you?

I love how Trollie is ignoring me. Now I can call him obvscum and he won't defend himself.

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Seriously BB, get on this wagon. And when he flips scum you can award me MVP #2.

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Ok, then please tell me this.

Mastin is town. he thinks RM is scum. He thinks I am scum and defending RM.

Why does he switch his vote to me when the RM wagon is about to go through?

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Im going to come up with the most epic meta-is-literally-hitler rant after this game.

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RM is at L - 1. Why go for another wagon when hes convinced hes found a scum pair and the RM wagon is MUCH more likely to go through?

Spoiler:

Hes scum

If hes so sure of it, then he gets the RM wagon through and pushes me Tomorrow. Instead hes abandoning the RM wagon to risk a shot with me? Derp?

P-edit: ok Im seriously done posting. I am actually at work despite what you people may suspect.

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AP says he'd start Sunday, but gives no indication in-thread for the delay to Monday.

When he does post on Monday, the first thing he does? Out of all the things to quote, he randomly decides to quote something inside my spoiler tags, indicating he had clearly read some (if not all) of that post, yet why my post, specifically? Again, either weird priorities or more caught up than we've been lead to believe.

Re 1st point: Could you perhaps teach me the days of the week? Apparently Im not understanding why thast really relevant at all. In fact, IIRC, I did say what I was up to instead.

And yes, I skipped ahead to see current discussion. Why shouldn't I?

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Sigh.

Anyways, to summarize Mastin's case one me:

1. I'm playing like a townie would in this situation (BUT MAYBE IM SCUM WIFOMING IT UP)
2. I didn't read the thread yesterday, bu rather today.

Am I missing something. Axxle, Im still on P10. Im just responding to shit that happens right now because its happening and I like to play in real time >.>

And yes, I'm clearly trying to save my buddy. Because that makes sense.

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Kind of working on a fun side project to parse tons of games and come up with stats about scum/town posting styles so we'll see if I get to this or that.

Nice selective quoting.

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And FFS, your case on me is that Im lying about having read the thread? Would you like me to tell you what I did last night? I got pissed off that my HTTP input wouldn't parse into an XML dom doc, ate some fucking turkey and hummus and read some of the Litigators by john Grisham.

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Was that the hammer? And seriously, what? Mastin could have hammered him way before??

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Welp, I wlll be making my Mastin case for everyone tonight. I hope you all enjoy it come Tomorrow.

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VOTE: Mastin

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Axxle claimed to pit him at L - 1. you knew that wasn't true?

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Sigh.

Anyways, to summarize Mastin's case one me:

1. I'm playing like a townie would in this situation (BUT MAYBE IM SCUM WIFOMING IT UP)
2. I didn't read the thread yesterday, bu rather today.

Am I missing something. Axxle, Im still on P10. Im just responding to shit that happens right now because its happening and I like to play in real time >.>

And yes, I'm clearly trying to save my buddy. Because that makes sense.

This feels like wild misrepresentation. VOTE: AngryPigeon

Pedit: Not that it matters. WTF? Give me a sec to untangle this.

UN: sorry I never got to the "intriguing comment"; I have stuff written up, but it's mostly irrelevant now.

Lol, then what was his case on me? Oh, right. That I lied about reading the thread. I didn't. Redtail is scum. Guaranteed.

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Redtail, would you be willing to bus Mastin today?

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Lewlz. So, you aren't willing to bus him?

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Ya its RT/Mastin.

And where did Fitz say anything of the sort?

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Im still not seeing the Fitz post. And why do you care what fitz says about your vote?

Mastin's actions really don't make sense from a town perspective. They just don't. Town says "RM is scum. Intent to hammer." Not herpaderp, LETS WAGON AP OH JUST KIDDING RM IS STILL SCUM.

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AP's sheeping of UN, not so much; it's scum.

Because I totally wasn't the first person to correctly id you.

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God damn. If I were a vigilante Redtail would no longer scum up the thread.

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TBH we really should be lynching redtail. There is a 0% chance he flips town. Like actually 0.

P-edit: Ok well P1-10 hes just not treading on anyone and asking light questions to look like hes doing anything.

Today he buddied your post about me.

Look at his last post. Its 1005 formulaic. There is 0 original thought or opinion or emotion in there. Its just a really easy point by point IIOA.

[AngryPidgeon]

your case is shit. there I objected.

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And HOW people say something is everything. Who cares that you made a case on me. Anyone can do that.

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P10. The fact that you care so much sounds like a BS talking point.

Am I scum or not? Your opinion of me is scummy as hell.

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Funny thing is I understand where you are coming from (a little) since thor flat out refused to read the thread after replacing into 1347 and that pissed me off. But Im not refusing to read the thread. Ive promised to have it done by end of day. And you really can't get a read on me until I've caught up? Excuse me? Actually, IDK why Im typing to you when I should be addressing the town.

Town: Trollie is scum. If he were town, he'd actually care about reading me and not rehash the same BS about me not having read.

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I realize Im most likely now suffering from Conf Bias, but Mastin's incredible amount of walls attacking Fancy, calling the Axxle wagon a scumlead counterwagon, and asserting that everyone on the Fancy wagon is probtown is scummy as hell. Scummy. as. hell.

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Errrrrr and by Axxle wagon I mean BB wagon? Whoever the other primary wagon was.

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On P21. Going to dinner, BBL

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@BB

I find the most damning thing in my case against you to be my argument about you saying you were trying to seem scummy and then saying you were not trying.

also, very good, see, this is why we need to lynch BB people. we are now forever fucked by what BB has done and will never be able to read him. he has made it such that he is a ball of WIFOM and twisted logic. He has to die tonight.

p-edit: See, my point exactly. now the rest of the game bb is going to say "this is so dumb scum would never do it" or "i was trying to trick scum so i had to trick town"

sorry, this is totally anti-town and if you are town then that sucks but i need you dead

10 points to whoever finds the scum slip

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@Trollie...saying BB has to die tonight seems like an odd choice of words coming from town.

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redtail--Town. If this guy's scum, he quite frankly deserves to win,

no matter who his scumbuddies are

.

Assertion: Mastin and Redtail are not scum buddies together.
Output: false.

I mean really. Read that quote. Tell me a town player would ever say the bolded. Right. Here is how the rest of this Day is going down. Anyone who has ever listed Mastin as possible scum is voting him in their next post (Kimor, Axxle, BBMolla, etc). when he flips, we vote from Redtail/Trollie next Day. The team is pretty much RedTail/Trollie/Mastin and if I am wrong about one of those then maybe add CD or BBMolla, but I really doubt that is the case.

Since you all love cases here is why we are lynching the shit out of Mastin today.
1. His wall posts distract from everything.
2. His reads are fake and change frequently.
3. Lack of remorse or any emotion at all from the Fancy lynch.
4. I mean really most everyone has this guy as a scum read...its a sign.
5. His case on my is

shit

from scum.
6. Actively trying to appear town (Look guys Im keeping track of all my reads in a QT, Im so obvtown!11!!1one)

FWIW, BBMolla is probably a PR. Calling it now. Rolefish, hurrr.

FFS read the backandforth between RT and Mastin about slandaar's death. Its the most Bullshit of bullshit and WIFOM I've ever suffered through reading. Why?

Spoiler:

They are scum together

And on the 1% chance Mastin is town, he should be ashamed of himself for clogging up the thread with the worlds most pointless and WIFOMY walls. I mean holy cow.

Strong town reads:
Axxle
Kimor
Robert
Uber

Decent town reads:
Fitz
CoolDog
BBMolla

Scum:
Mastin
Trollie
RedTail

I find the Votecount in 632 very intriguing. I don't have more to say right now, but I'm trying to work out how the scum would be trying to turn such a situation in their favor.

Enlighten us. In your very next post.

It's not much evidence, but it's enough to form a picture:
AP replaces in Sunday. Posts before getting PM, and receives the PM. (Assuming scum.)
Sees the PM, realizes what he's in for, and reads the thread Sunday, to get an initial head-start, however, does not have the time to post his thoughts, for fear of (having not been caught up) doing something incredibly stupid.
(Optional: if scum have daytalk, posts thoughts of game status in QT, along with why he's not posting in-thread 'til tomorrow.)
Comes in today, having read enough of the game to have a general picture, yet missing some of the details, and does a reread disguised as an initial read, where he posts things which sound like they'll be good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKxILa9qK8E

AP's defending everyone else on my suspect list

This means absolutely nothing.

Only scum would say something like this.

btw, this reinforces my theory. Both parts, that AP's going for easy targets

What? CoolDog and Trollie are easy targets? When almost no one seemed ready to vote CoolDog and only a couple people trollie?

Easy targets:
BBMolla
Axxle
Robert

CoolDog
Trollie

Oh! Oh, guess who wants two of those lynched!

Spoiler:

Not me

p-edit: please! please please please please. i am willing to discuss whatever theories you want when you are caught up but right now you are distracting us from scumhunting

The scum team is you, Rt, and Mastin. Discuss.

I'm fine with my AP vote, but I've been wanting to put my vote on RM, which I couldn't without hammering.

This is a lie. Axxle unvoted here making Robert at L - 2:

UNVOTE:

Robert remained at L - 2 until this post:

In a matter of hours. No way he's caught up to now. It reads as hyper aggressive scum trying a last ditch effort to save his RM scumbuddy.

VOTE: RobertMontana

Back to L-1. I would also be willing to lynch AP.

Mastin made a total of

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

10

posts between these but decided to not put Robert at L - 1. Lie detected.

This != Rocket Science.

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No, robert is town. Mastin IS CONFIRMED LYING ABOUT THE ROBERT WAGON.

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You know how I know youre scum? MASTIN LIED ABOUT THE GODDAMN ROBERT WAGON. READ POST 677 TO 767. HE LIED.

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Because you aren't voting him. Are you actively playing against your win con?

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Would you like me to explain how this is obvious again?

Axxle unvotes in post 677, putting RM at L - 2.
Mastin makes TEN POSTS. TEN POSTS. TEN POSTS. TEN POSTS. TEN POSTS. HOLY SHIT THIS THREAD IS ECHOING.
Axxle puts RM back to L - 1.

Mastin says something something FINALLY and voted RM.

Mastin then says:
"I'm fine with my AP vote, but I've been wanting to put my vote on RM, which I couldn't without hammering."
Which is a lie.

P-edit: POP QUIZ: MASTIN IS LYING ABOUT HIS VOTE? YES/NO?

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NO YOU SCUMBAG. ANSWER ME. DID MASTIN LIE?

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Welp. This team is obvious. If trollie/Mastin/RT isn't the team, well. lol. We are sheeping me today. And I will have undeniable proof that RT is scum tomorrow.

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Ok, Im going to explain the lie to you VERY CAREFULLY

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UNVOTE:

Robert Montana was at L- 1 and is now at L -2.

Mastin now makes TEN POSTS (Ten as in 1 more than 9)

In a matter of hours. No way he's caught up to now. It reads as hyper aggressive scum trying a last ditch effort to save his RM scumbuddy.

VOTE: VOTE: RobertMontana

Back to L-1.

I would also be willing to lynch AP.

Axxle now puts Robert back to L - 1 and explicitly states he is doing so.

Only scum says "smacks of scum"

Vote: Kimor

UN happens to unvote Robert (although it isn't super obvious). And we get this:

Finally.
VOTE: Robert Montanna.

ok, fine.

UN, you've got it backwards.

I could have hammered RM at any point. He was at L-1 during every single one of my posts.

You were voting him.
You voted someone else.

And I followed through on my promise that, if anyone unvoted RM, I'd put him back to L-1.

He was at L - 2 during all 10 of his previous posts. He sees Axxle vote for him and say L - 1, but doesn't care? He didn't realize? He is trying to say that he was waiting for any opportunity to put RM at L - 1, but he had 10 chances to do so and did not do it.

Then his post becomes obvious as hell. Finally?!? If he was truly waiting all that time to get on the wagon and he then saw Axxle's L - 1 vote and Un's Kimor vote, he wouldn't say "FInally". He would say "Ooops, I missed my chance to get on the wagon earlier. Lol, I didnt realize he was L - 2"

Also this:

ok, robert today, this fucker tomorrow. Deal?

nah nvm thought maybe AP was a jester or something but venrob and adorkable couldnt have been...hes just scum...

uhhh, nah i dont think so he explained that already...also i dont care really cause u and robert are both way scummier so ill deal with mastin after ur lynch

First off, you are scum for even mentioning a jester. Second, you are saying ya, ya Robert then we can kill Mastin (since they are both scum!) and then you are saying (AP you've been so scummy all along! Mastin isn't really THAT scummy!)

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I expect Mastin to be dead before I wake up tomorrow.

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WE ARE VOTING MASTIN. TROLLIE IS ALSO ACCEPTABLE.

HIS SCUM MOTIVATION IS THAT HE STARTED FLAILING AFTER UN CALLED HIM OUT ON TRYING TO QUICK HAMMER ROBERT.

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Robert is AFK, lets get his slot replaced. The lack of a Mastin wagon is shocking and also hilarious given that redtail is his buddy and is actively wondering why there is no counterwagon to RM.

Axxle. Ok, lets assume Mastin did not realize that you unvoted RM. But then you revote, put him at L - 1 and UN ninja unvotes. Why Does Mastin say "Finally!" when he votes for RM. If he were actively trying to get on the wagon during that time, then one of the following is true

1. He thought YOU miscounted and should have been concerned that was a hammer
2. He realized he miscounted and felt like a derp upon seeing your L - 1, but for some reason still said FINALLY as in "Oh I've been waiting so long to FINALLY get on this wagon instead of "Oh, Im dumb, I would have voted RM if I had realized". Instead he doesn't comment on that at all, but votes RM with a FINALLY when UN 'unvotes'? I mean really? If he were not lying about having miscounted, he wouldn't say "oh, hurr durr I can FINALLY get on the wagon now".

Hes lying. And I don't give a flying **** about why, because why the hell does he even care about being on the wagon as opposed to providing the hammer? None of his behavior is town. NONE OF IT.

Kimor needs to vote him. Axxle needs to vote him. Im actually stunned that you people refuse to do so. Because I'm the hero this thread deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

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You had a scum read on him earlier. Vote for that. frankly I dont care why you vote him.

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I posted that only having read up to P10.

You two had interactions that looked like you were talking to each other for the sake of talking to each other.

Also, you were jut independently the only 2 scum reads I had.

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And its not like Im saying his lie is his only crime against humanity:

1. His over-the-top pushing of the fancy pants wagon was melodrama and not town. ESPECIALLY considering he did not acknowledge his derpness at all come D2.
2. He is actively trying to keep a town image up
3. His reads are fake. Look at his opening walls today (and if you can't bring yourself to do that I can't blame you, so just vote him). His reads are all over the place before anyone even posts.
4. Analyzing the BBM/FP wagons based on how he feels about who is on them
5. Anything he has said about Slandaar NK.
6. His posts are antitown AT BEST.

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Kimor. His actions are NOT CONSISTENT WITH TOWN BEHAVIOR. THIS IS HOW YOU SCUM HUNT. NOT THE BS YOU ARE PROPOSING.

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And since I'm feeling nice I'll explain myself.

Scum's number one priority is to blend in. Its hard to find scum motivation in players because
1. Townies do scummy things
2. Scum are actively avoiding doing scummy things

The best way to find them is to look for towntells</kondi>

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Well, OK, but if it's scum's goal to blend in,

why would he intentionally

do something that DOESN'T? It makes no sense. Mastin is an experienced player, and I findi t

hard to believe that he would accidentally

show his hand as you are suggesting.

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Or maybe you are saying that an experienced player would never do something scummy as scum? Cool, guess we lose. GG guys. Party's over. We will never catch scum because they don't make mistakes.

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I had a scum read on Mastin, but this new push is making me reconsider that heavily.

So let me get this straight. You think I am scum? Probably with RM?

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Oh, UN, you buddying Axxle you so obvscum!

This lack of Mastin support is seriously like, what? When I was catching up I kept thinking how easy it would be to rally support based on all the light scumreads everyone had on him. And now that a legit wagon is here, everyone's hurring and durring and saying scummy shit like post 862.

Hi Rt, you are lurking. But thats ok, I wont even have to post for you to get wagoned to high-hell Tomorrow.

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for I have been mostly avoiding walls this game.

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What. I was called out on pushing easy lynches through? And then changed gears? You are saying that YOU are an easy lynch (in my mind at least) but when did I change gears off of you?

The only read I actually dropped was coolDog, and I don't think he is even remotely an easy lynch by anyone's imagination.

And yes I'll buddy UN. Please and thanks.

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Here is a fun game. Explain why Robert is scum without mentioning my name. Go!

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Why is RM scum. Off the top of your head.

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2: His reads have changed just as much as he's accusing me of, and says they're fake. (When that's the exact accusation I made against him earlier.)

lol. just lol. I dropped my CD read and have been correctly calling out your team since then.

Yes as scum I would admit to just going for an easy target. Makes sense.

Redtail is your buddy, but that will be apparent Tomorow.

Your case doesn't deserve a response. You accused me of actually reading the thread sunday and hacked off the last part of my quote in which I said I may or may not actually do it then. And then you accused me of lying about not reading the thread (lol). What? I told you what I did Sunday night, and it wasn't read this thread.

lol. Yes, my saying you have a 1% chance of flipping town is definitely me getting ready for a backpedal of sexy proportions. Awesome case there. Totally not nitpicking. Derp.

P-edit: lol, my play here is nothing like switchboard? Care to explain? I think the only difference is that my reads are right this time.

Why did you say FINALLY in your post where you voted RM if you just realized that you had been derp and actually able to vote him the whole time?

tl;dr: hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Haha, image macros are made of win. But seriously, all will be clear after your scum flip.

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Because he isn't using the buddying as a scum tell. Derp. You being scum means you are buddying him. Not the other way around.

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^


If you think we are buddies then vote Mastin. What am I saying? Kimor is now obvscum. With Mastin.

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Kimor, if Mastin/Me is a team, why are you still voting Robert?

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Yes Mastin, Im not allowed to change my reads after Kimor makes back-to-back bullshit posts. Factor in the fact that my initial 'scumread' was a pre-admitted PoE read.

And Kimor is scum for tryingto link us together. And for saying that his scum read on you is waning because of my case on you.

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For those watching from home the current score is Mastin/Kimor + {Trollie/RT}. Sad to have to bump one of those off my scumteam list, but really Kimor is now obvscum.

@Axxle: Pushing AFK players that are likely to be replaced is meaningless. They get replaced, you unvote and give them a chance to contribute. Doesn't mean anything.

Re Trollies post: Ummmmmmmmmm

Mastin: How is my play different than in Switchboard? Why did you say FINALLY in that post? Why is being on the RM wagon so important to you as opposed to being the hammer?

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Axxle, clarification: his push on Pine for "playing to a lurky scum meta" while it was bleedingly obvious that pine had actually just site-flaked is scummy regardless of Pines alignment.

Trollie: AFK means Pine site-flaked. It means Im too tired to properly parse your post and generate a response. Im starting to think you are town and its RT/Mastin/Kimor. Your post was just kind of a break from the stream of posts today.

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I'd tell people to read switchboard and confirm that your analysis is bad, but I know no one cares enough to do that. Suffice to say I was incredibly spammy and my case vs MoI was incredibly wallz galore and very similar to what Im doing now. Not to mention my case on Toast.

Haha, ok. So you are refusing to be hammer a scum-read for a shits-and-giggles reason (Dont want to pop my hammer cherry!). Good way to play against your wincon. And you dont have to hammer immediately; why not declare intent?

P-edit: Right because that is indicative of alignment ever.

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This thread needs more robertmontana in it.

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explain this then. if robert's wagon is at L-3, and 100% town why doesn't a single person on ur scumlist touch it?
Why doesn't robert support the UN counterwagon when he says he has a scumread on UN?

I don't know. Why don't scum claim scum and vote themselves? And in response to the 2nd question: why the hell would he do what he did in a scum/scum scenario? Why not got for the obvious credit >.>. For that matter why not do it in a scum/town scenario? He had a scum-read on UN, why not vote him for self-pres at that point?

@Kimor: So let me get this straight. You think RM is scum. You think I am scum. You think Mastin and I are distancing from each other. Where does that leave room for you on the scumteam?, Im a little confused.

But seriously, you think Mastin and I are hard bussing each other and that Im going for 0 town-cred with the RM flip? So when RM flips scum, Mastin HAS to push me Tomorrow and I already have so little cred that Im going to die and leave my team pretty much screwed. You should write fan-fiction.

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And since Im not buddying UN hard enough, @UN this is how I feel about our wagon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukstws19D4

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Mastin, read on Kimor.

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but your read on him as it is right now is entirely dependent on me: me, scum, attacking him, town.

AP is so obviously town it's ridiculous. Mastin voted him. Ergo mastin is scum.

Pretty sure the logic was Ap = town. therefore Mastin = scum. not Mastin = scum therefore AP = town.

Nice try though.

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Wow. It really is RT/Kimor. FFS I don't give a **** about Pine. he site-flaked. Why is Kimor accusing us of distancing? Do we honestly look scum on scum? Why did he backpedal and take back his reads just to say "Well maybe all of you ar escum and maybe only one of you"?

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Mastin, why would Kimor accuse us of bussing. Why did you not give a singular concern about his comment when he made it?

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I mean really. Anyone saying Mastin/me are double bussing is scum. Not just scum, but derp scum. And the fact that mastin couldn't care less that Kimor swooped in and made the worlds dumbest comment about us makes the team SO obvious.

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Also, I think a Mastin-AP scumteam is possible. This would be a great distancing routine.

He didn't outright say it? Dont give me that. You are not retarded. Read the above and tell me with a straight face that ANYONE should EVER believe we are scum/scum.

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I twisted nothing. You are calling me/Mastin a possible team because you see what we are doing as possible 2x bussing.

Here is the thing. An idiot could read this thread and the ONE thing they would tell you is that me/mastin are not scum together. Which begs the question, why is that not obvious to you?

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Mastin is now just being an idiot on purpose. Kimor is his buddy. This thread is derp.

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BBMolla, get on this wagon. Axxle, you too. Zero fucks given from now on.

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elaborate distancing act

Who is Mastin distancing from

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I guess Im dense.

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UN, why would scum Mastin distance from you >.>

And your last quotes of his aren't what I would call distancing exactly.

RobertMontana, you should hop ye olde counterwagon.

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Well, I'm moderately not opposed to wagoning the shit out of UN for saying that Mastin is distancing himself from UN when

1. What?
2. What?
3. What?

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@Trollie my point is this. UN claims Mastin is distancing himself from UN.

1. No he isn't? Hes buddying if anything.
2. Why did UN feel the need to say this?
3. Honestly UN/Mastin interactions look very scum/scum

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So ya its probably UN/Kimor/Mastin.

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Trollie if I promise to Vig Un, would you vote Mastin?

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Oh, there would be no WIFOM. But you are pretty obvtown. Im not claiming vig btw. /BBMolla.

Well, VOTE: uber

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And this is why I hate reading catchup. I can't actually read people unless I interact with them.

#APisObvscumBecauseHisReadsChanged

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FWIW Trollie, I do think its Kimor/Uber/Mastin right now.

What whole thing was bussing? Un's early D2 and present case on Mastin? Bussing is not even remotely out of UN's playbook.

I can't see Mastin town. I realize I have a history of creating town V town walls and that makes me wary, but Mastin's reaction to Kimor does not make sense.

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Basically here is why.

I KNOW I am town. I suspect Mastin is scum. Kimor makes a comment about me/Mastin possibly bussing. I know this isn't true. This comment looks scummy to me because it looks like an excuse to push me in the even Mastin flips scum. Plus I know its wrong, and its calling me scum so of course I want to respond to it.

Why did Mastin not go through a similar thought process? Is he ok with me flipping scum and then Kimor possibly using that as an excuse to push him? Apparently not. This is why his reaction to Kimor tickles me in places.

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And by 'apparently not' I mean 'apparently so'. Derp. Quadra post.

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Sigh. Your new vote is only a little better than your previous one. If you think UN is scum, vote UN. But Mastin is obvscum. My post 957 is too good to be wrong.

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Was that lynch?

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If so, you are dead Tonight. Enjoy.

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I've been saying You/Mastin are the biggest scum reads of mine. Derp.

And I specifically said Im not claiming Vig.

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I said it was U + Mastin + {Trollie/Red}

Then when UN made that absurd comment I added him in and booted off {Trollie/Red}

Also, lol. Thats definitely it and not at all you calling me/Mastin a possible scum team.

Please vote UN? So much higher chance of scum there than robert.

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Explain the hell you were talking about WRT to the distancing BS in your next post.

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VOTE: mastin

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Please vote UN? So much higher chance of scum there than robert.

I flatly refuse to vote for anybody just because somebody else tells me to. You can make your case, you can ask me to...but I'm not doing it just because you are badgering whoever will respond to you. That sort of anti-town play honestly deserves to get you policy lynched.

Funny thing, it sounded like I was asking quite nicely. So why do you start with this bullying bit again? Also I was mainly talking to Redtail, but I see why that was not apparent.

UN, why did you ask me if I was dense when I asked WHO Mastin is distancing from when you clearly don't know yourself?

P-edit: I'll vig UN

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Trollie. I will give you UN Tomorrow if thats what you want. It will be all you ever wanted.

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Hes basically my 3rd choice after Kimor and Mastin. I honestly cannot see Mastin flipping town. There is simply no way. UN is certainly better than robert, but I'd rather wait and confirm something and do it Tomorrow.

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UN busses. Just saying. Dont discount the team because you dont think he would.

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Pretty sure both are town. Wish they would post more.

Townish bits from an iso skim:

What? Fancy-Pants wagon seems to be based on "Let's see where this leads." Doesn't sound worth my time.

Post 480-522 where he goes from town->scum on Mastin looks town.

FWIW, if Axxle is scum it is absolutely with Mastin and definitely not with RM.

RM today and mastin tomorrow then?

In a matter of hours. No way he's caught up to now. It reads as hyper aggressive scum trying a last ditch effort to save his RM scumbuddy.

VOTE: RobertMontana

Back to L-1. I would also be willing to lynch AP.

Actually damn this quote is kind of scummy.

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Town can do that tomorrow if it comes to it.

I think this is a towntell honestly. The whole quote is kind of dumb, but..Saying town instead of 'we'? Seems natural to me.

I also think hes more town for his Slandaar interactions than not.

His mixup also seems unlikely from scum I think.

P-edit: Hi UN, last time I checked I was voting in the right place.

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You WILL vote for one of the people whose username is depicted in red.

Well, that was self-fulfilling.

The pretty colors do make me happy though. Why is BBMolla white? UN, are you honestly trying to tell me lurking is a scumtell?

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UN, explain your shit about Mastin distancing. Your train of thought. All of it/

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^ I will say that him stopping in to only claim VT and offer up a herpaderp reason for not doing so earlier is shady. But..Honestly, he has to know that sort of move will likely get him attention? IDK. I'll ISO him FWIW, his is mercifully short.

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Im not going anywhere until UN gives me a good explanation behind the "distancing" post.

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No, UN. Why did you call me dense when I asked WHO he was distancing from. You must have had someone in mind because otherwise my question is 100% legitimate.

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Oh. I think I see your point. In my defense, it wasn't YOUR post that I skimmed past that caused the confusion.

Anyways, where were we? Lynching Robert and Mastin right.

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My UN was suspicions were mostly because of that quote. But I understand it now so :/

Dunno, Im not that comfortable with UN scum.

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Also, I fully believe there's another killing power in play other than the scum's, but it's almost certainly limited shot.

Does this have to do or not have to do with me crumbing and soft claiming like

a boss

BBMolla.

Whatever, my mind is in a state of WTF about this game right now. I'll try and reread the thread over N2 at latest, but really I need to before then.

@Kimor: This post is what I skimmed past that UN was referring to about distancing:

Spoiler: Hey, UN, I have a favor to ask

It's a simple request: Look at AP.

mastin let him finish

honestly he's being so ridiculous I cannot fathom that he's scum

AP is pretty ridiculous from what I've seen. Give me 10 or so more posts of his and I bet I can read him with 90% accuracy

He's posted a

lot

more than ten times since here. You promised a read on him, but there's more to my request than this, because you're incapable of giving a good read with how you are right now.

So, my request is rather simple: remove me from your equation. Think of it, without me attacking AP and without AP attacking me. Think of his massive spam as attacking some other generic player using the same logic he is right now.

What's your read then? Removing your bias towards me from the picture. Removing the mutual attacks between our slots. Getting rid of my piece of the equation, getting rid of your extreme bias on me beyond reason. Looking at AP, without me. Read his posts then. You've had so many more than the required ten, but your read on him as it is right now is entirely dependent on me: me, scum, attacking him, town. Him, town, attacking me, scum. Remove me. Him, ??, attacking some player, ??. Tell me, is he still town?

Or is he only town for attacking

me

? Is your analysis so dependent on me flipping scum, that it's clouded your view of other players? That it's

my

attack on him which gives you a townread?

And as you might have gathered from the above, I ask you to do the same for RM. Remove my attacks from the equation. Forget my vote for just a second, just for the sake of an unbiased read, and think of all other aspects of RM. Is he still town? As you have been calling him ever since I voted him?
Or is your bias towards me (and don't deny it's bias; you're refusing to even

consider

a townflip from me) that

makes

him town?

And as the last part of this exercise, look at RM and AP's interactions with

out

me-as-scum. Do you think in this scenario that both of them are town? Or for that matter, even one of them? And tell me why, without using me, that you think that way.
Look at them both that way.

And tell me what you see.

I don't care how unrealistic you think the scenario is.

Do it anyway

. I don't care if you think it's impossible I'm town. I don't care that you think this suggestion comes from scum.

I want to hear from you, what you think of RM and AP. Without confirmation bias towards me. Because, bluntly--like it or not--I'm town, will flip town, and I want to hear it from you now, rather than later, what that'd mean for your reads.

...And for that matter, while we're on the subject of a flip on me...what if you're right about me and I AM scum? Who are my buddies, and why? Clearly, you're convinced with absolute conviction that I'm scum, so I've pretty much given up on convincing you otherwise. But who am I scum with? Tell me that, UN. Is my buddy RM? You've said otherwise. Is my buddy AP? Not if your posting is anything to go by.

...So, who, then, am I scum with? I want two names, with crystal clear reasons as to why.

tl;dr:
Who is scum when I flip town? Three names.
Who is scum if I flipped scum? Two names.

In hindsight UN was being sarcsatic about this being bpossible distancing (what else is new?)

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FWIW, I disagree about Trollie's Robert is town due to meta case. I read his ISO there and he just kind of felt different. More humorous? Im not 100% opposed to his lynch, but I hate lynching lurkers in general.

I dislike the wagon analysis :/ I mean, come on. Scum aren't going to think "Town UN has 4 town voters on him LETS DO THIS CHOO CHOO" because that would be super obvious? Wagon analysis is better saved for late game.

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Re Mastin's last post:



Ok this wagon spec needs to stop. FFS. Scum aren't going to just hop on a wagon to get a lynch through BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUS AS HELL.

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Oops, ninja'd. Dunno how I feel about the UN vote.

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Lol, ninja's twice. I need to stop looking for pictures. I meant the post about Kimor being scum.

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Dunno, I find that question just WIFOM-tastic. If you actually read switchboard you will understand why.

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Robert?

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And Trollie bullied me into voting UN then I guess. Damn Trollie, you so sneaky I didn't even realize you were doing that.

Ya but 90% of my posts are like 1-2 sentences long.

Kimor really should be the lynch. And I would not at all discount a him/Robert team.

P-edit: Saw you from across the thread. Voting Kimor and I JIZZED IN MY PANTS.
VOTE: Kimor

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My scanner is picking up lots of "the fuck is going on here?" in this sector.

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Ok, is no one else seeing RT scum? I mean come on. He has yet to show any serious thought on anyone other than "Hey guys lets beat the D1 wagons with a stick until they die". then lets beat them some more. God knows how I feel about anything going on right now like mastin/kimor/ap or un/trollie.

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Am I scummy for that?

P-eidt: Bye UN

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Ok, I really need to convince myself that RT and Trollie are not scum. Stay the course AP, stay the course.

And there is tons of evidence to suggest Robert-Kimor.

1. Kimor hopping on that wagon like its going out of style after replacing in.
2. Kimor repeatedly accusing me of chainsaw defending Robert with noise.

It screams of going for cred and linking me to a buddy of his.

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The fact that you want to kill RM so hard is wut? What, ok, no. You are making cases against Robert. Not "nobody giving you a reason not to move".

RM is lurking like a champ and that makes him

scum

VERY hard to read.

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The post in which he claimed RB made me laugh out loud. And I tend to agree he isnt the same funny RM here.

Itt: people assert that RM must be town because their scum reads are on his wagon. Derp.

itt: people acknowledge that kimor has been shady since joining the game, but don't care to vote him.

Itt: people accuse me of bussing mastin whilst defending robert.

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I somewhat regret busting the RM wagon up. Im going to do more rereading. 2nd times always the charm. Team is still probably somewhere in RM/Kimor/Mastin?/RT?/UN?

Still not seeing BBM scum.
Trollie is probably town.
CoolDog is like totally off my radar (seriously post something).
Fitz is derp, but probably in the good way.
Axxle needs to post more and is probably town.

Of the 5 I listed RM/Kimor makes sense more than most pairings. Mastin kind of plays like town MoI does...I need to reread him more than anyone though. RT looks town at some points, but his insistence on focusing on wagon analysis makes me grimace. UN is UN meaning hes essentially my "pine" read.

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p.870 AP suspects UN for buddying Axxle.

That was a joke. >.> Some people dont get me.

@AP...when you,granted sarcastically, say scum don't make mistakes are you saying they don't do scummy stuff or they don't drop towntells?

Don't read anything into it, I was just being obnoxious to Kimor.

I honestly don't see the inconsistencies in Trollies reads that you do. Hes been saying its probably you/Axxle + ??? for most of Today.

The mixup I was talking to Trollie about was whatever you said about a deadline being tomorrow. I honestly didn't even look into it. People saying things like that that are provably untrue or just w/e is? Not a scumtell anyways. Also this may have been about the slip where you said "Town can figure this out" but I disagree about that too, so?

@Trollie, I pretty much don't see a scenario where I don't vig UN (barring his lynch I guess).

@Kimor: Robert has mostly been a fat null. I didn't like his explanation about not claiming sooner and then his vanish. I mainly suspect him because I think you are scum and you are linking yourself to him and him to me.

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Tl;DR: I agree that this day has run its course. Im willing to vote for Kimor, Uber, and Robert. I will pretty much vote whichever is in the lead and hammer if necessary. I think that is presently Kimor, checking. Maybe Robert is up there still? Fitz, wanna do Robert? Hes got as good a shot as any of flipping scum. UN is probably not going down today probably.

I think part of that is because I keep implying I'll vig UN?

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OH and I think you asked?

UN's stuff about MAstin distancing was about that huge post where Mastin appeals to UN saying "Stop reading me based on your AP read. If AP were null, what would I be" . UN was sarcastically saying that maybe Mastin was just doing an epic distancing attempt from me, but I think it was just that: sarcasm.

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AP, are you claiming Vig? If so I'm dropping you from my to lynch list so you can prove you are one.

Nope. But my alignment will be known sooner than later.

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VOTE: Robert Montana

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MastinofIllusion hydra, though. )

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I cannot believe UN wasnt lynched so hard. Axxle, good playing. Mastin, what the FUCK? Why would I target Trollie???

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By lynching hider guilties.

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Un, you so crazy. Only you could get out of the hider guilty. And if I weer your buddy I would have bussed the shit out of you >.>

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It was so mind blowing seeing Trollie post about UN needing death and more death and then die. Like OBVIOUSLY he was targeted for that reason. And its not like my vrumbs were ambiguous. I was raging so hard when Matin just started throwing out different suggestions about who I targeted. It was like, really?

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It was a possibility, but not a probability.

Nope. My crumbs were very clear. Its actually unreal that Axxles was the only one pushing them.