Mini 1387: Mafia in Corteleona - Game Over

Slandaar · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:47 am

Confirmed

Slandaar · Post Post #27 (isolation #1) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:37 am

Ugh this is nonsense

VOTE: Method

Lynch this guy for reading the thread and thinking another vote without reason is useful.

Slandaar · Post Post #31 (isolation #2) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:12 am

I ended RVS in 1 post, I know ben knows what I was doing hes scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

Slandaar · Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:40 am

What is logically stupid about it?

Slandaar · Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:33 am

RVS:
Town randomly vote (with reason) to try to escalate things and get some real stuff going.
Votes without reason do not serve this purpose.
Someone reading this thread and town must see that so by voting again without reason is just being proscum.
It is also a very follow the crowd thing to do.

Therefore we can see Methods vote as terrible.

Where is the logically stupid bit Ben?

Slandaar · Post Post #39 (isolation #5) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:37 am

lol

If noone puts a reason following your amazing logic the game never exits RVS... ?

Slandaar · Post Post #47 (isolation #6) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:57 am

In post 42, Benmage wrote:
So point 1. Is incorrect not that it itself may be false, but that it isn't exclusively the truth.

I didn't say everyone votes like this, I said that is the point of RVS.

You are trying to say that because people don't understand RVS it changes its purpose? it obviously doesn't

In post 42, Benmage wrote:
2. Clearly incorrect as I just stated, and to repeat quick wagons rock for exiting the rvs.

Well its not incorrect, that is the point of RVS there is no debate here, people who don't understand do not make the purpose change.

Quick wagons? how does this relate to anything I have said?

In post 42, Benmage wrote:
3. Dont understand this point.

The longer RVS goes, the more blame should be attached to each vote not helping to end RVS.

In post 42, Benmage wrote:
4. Follow the crowd? What voting without reason? Okay... that must mean town are doing it.

4th vote without reason is suspicious as it seemed like follow the crowd vote with no reasoning.

Where is my logic not sound?

Slandaar · Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:52 pm

In post 49, Benmage wrote:I'm sorry Slaandar... so we're all on the same page. What by your definition is the purpose of the rvs?

In post 37, Slandaar wrote:RVS:
Town randomly vote (with reason) to try to escalate things and get some real stuff going.

You don't strictly need to vote just saying something is enough.

The reason you give reasoning is because if we all post votes without reasoning for 20posts where does the game go? nowhere (Yes Buld posts with some kind of 'content' but no vote would be grouped with votes with reasoning)

Slandaar · Post Post #54 (isolation #8) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:34 pm

In post 48, Malakittens wrote:Slandaar how do you feel regarding Methods last post?

It tells me I was right to suspect his vote.
What do I think about the reasoning? its good for page 2 vote and a good spot, shows hes paying attention etc.
Is he town? probably.

Slandaar · Post Post #55 (isolation #9) » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:50 pm

Why Ben is scum;

In post 27, Slandaar wrote:
Lynch this guy for reading the thread and thinking another vote without reason is useful.

Read as: Lets wagon this guy.

In post 30, Benmage wrote:UNVOTE: VOTE: Slandaar

In post 31, Slandaar wrote:I know ben knows what I was doing hes scum.

...

In post 42, Benmage wrote:quick wagons rock for exiting the rvs.

Ben is scum, pretty certain. My vote was pretty obviously intended to just start things as the game was dragging ie quickwagon; Ben says they rock, Ben voted me; he is therefore scum.

I think the fact Method has come out with reasoning shows my vote was solid enough. The reasoning isn't very complicated; if 3 people vote without reason, a 4th person who does it who has read the thread sees that it is going nowhere and decides to add to that going nowhere; clearly it shows scum motivation; extend the RVS etc.

Lets say Method had no reasoning; that is clearly a terrible vote, there is no way anyone can dispute it, Ben doesn't see it, he is scum.

Slandaar · Post Post #60 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:19 am

Conviction: from the page you linked me;
Note that truly random voting, as with the dice tag, is strictly frowned upon.

Where did you get the idea RVS is purely random?

Voting without reason isn't a scumtell.

Now, why was Method's suspect then? because it was the 4th after a long line of useless posts when he could have voted someone with a vote to start a wagon, given some junk reasoning etc instead it looked like an easy RVS vote to make given the number of votes prior who had added no reasoning ie follow the crowd blend in don't help end RVS.

Slandaar · Post Post #87 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:14 am

In post 63, Benmage wrote:
So you're saying the point of the rvs, and statements with reasoning is to get the game going.... well a vote with no reason, which is than asked.. but why? Isn't that than starting the game going?

Yes, but if you see three votes previously and noone had asked the question about any of those then why would a 4th be useful?

None of what you are saying relates to my vote in anyway at all.

The key part of my vote is that it was the 4th, not because it was without reason.

Why did I choose the 4th? not the 3rd or 2nd? because its just more likely the 4th comes from scum based on the idea that scum will follow the crowd and the longer RVS goes the more town should feel the need to do something

In post 63, Benmage wrote:
Lets take for instance MY VOTE ON YOU. You voted (and I still say for poor reasons). Bub votes you, and GUESS WHAT I VOTE YOU. Why?? To start a wagon. How you seem to gloss over that facet is comical.

Yes you were trying to start a wagon on me for trying to end RVS. Which is clearly not town motivated from you and I am pretty sure you knew what I was doing (or would have if town)

In post 63, Benmage wrote:
So I did the protown thing, yet you ignore it....

See above

In post 63, Benmage wrote:
You think Methods reasoning is sound? Wow, you should be better than that SLan.

His reasoning is much more indicative of his alignment than yours. I don't remember saying anything else.

Slandaar · Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:18 am

In post 68, buldermar wrote:
Non-random RVS is semantically a contradiction (non-random "Random Vote Stage"), because non-random randomness is an oxymoron. Whether true randomness exists is a metaphysical discussion quite unrelated to the subject in question.

Why are you telling me this? how can I use this insight for anything useful?

Slandaar · Post Post #89 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:21 am

In post 61, Conviction wrote:
This means that an RVS vote is placed with no reason or humorous reasoning.

This means that the
person
on who you place the vote should not be random, since it could cause double-triple votes on one same person, which defeats the purpose of RVS, which is only to spur discussion and not start easy wagons.

I don't understand your point.

The person being voted isn't random neither is the reason, it might be made up and silly, but random? no.

And no, you do not avoid placing a second vote on someone, why would you?

Slandaar · Post Post #90 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:25 am

In post 83, Conviction wrote:
Why did you see Ben knowing what you were doing, and why did that knowledge make him scum?

Meta. Pretty sure he as town doesn't vote me there.

In post 83, Conviction wrote:
aaand

Vote: Benmage

Why?

Slandaar · Post Post #136 (isolation #15) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:39 am

Hi Ben

I'm lurking.

Conviction being a hydra; I didn't realise this either till it was mentioned.

Slandaar · Post Post #148 (isolation #16) » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:15 am

Conviction how experienced is the non Nacho head?

Slandaar · Post Post #175 (isolation #17) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:26 am

Hi Mala

Why do you think I am town?

Slandaar · Post Post #180 (isolation #18) » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:56 am

Mala I believe you have had a case of mistaken identity, I am neither Ben nor Conviction, I like my questions answered.

Slandaar · Post Post #220 (isolation #19) » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:29 am

OK my intuition is telling me to lynch this guy;

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cybertronix

Slandaar · Post Post #223 (isolation #20) » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:24 am

In post 100, Cybertronix wrote:Why not help your cause rather than hinder it?

Na. Lynch this guy.

Slandaar · Post Post #235 (isolation #21) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:35 am

Method don't abandon the Mr.Prod-dodge wagon!

Slandaar · Post Post #259 (isolation #22) » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:59 pm

Rainbow is scum his read on me is fake or is fueled by... I can't play with someone who has me blacklisted. I don't know why he would replace in; I think he thinks I don't know who hes an alt of and wanted to be sneaky... douche move.

Replace me.

Slandaar · Post Post #749 (isolation #23) » Fri Nov 23, 2012 1:01 am

Sorry Mastin I never left you my actual/updated reads (I didn't have ben as scum, yeah, I know if you read my posts it looks like I did, but I tailed off him later and it was because I switched) but obviously I didn't plan to replace so meh, I probably would have posted them later in the day if I hadn't.