Mini 1414: Mafia and Werewolves - Game Over

[JacobSavage]

^ brilliant town post by hume

It's just so beautiful -sniff-

[JacobSavage]

Or are you gonna be a useless anti-town pain in the ass?

I was going to stick with the usual program, so yes... I probably will.

[JacobSavage]

To be fair I also almost confused the names Jacob and Jason

Everyone does, just call be JS, its shorter to type too x

On a "serious" note, Xergus why the sheeping Jason, I agree he's town (his play here matches how I've seen him play in other games as town, See Mini 1397 (he replaced out Day 1/2 but anyway) and Micro 104 to give you some idea of what I mean.) but his reason seam's to be that he was content with me. In fairness I can see his point, I'm not totally content with my play but I wouldn't say its more scummy that Revenus's reaction to his "day-kill" (On an aside, its getting quite old, I've rarley been in a game where somebody hasn't tried to Day-kill someone D1 and its not like Revenus is new here). Taking that and running with it, I can't see that Revenus has never seen the DayKill-Reaction test before, and I suspect that he may of used it as an attempt to get town points. His reations seam forced and not genuine which kind of backs up my point. His "any reaction would make me scummy" point reads under this interpretation as annoyance that his gambit failed.

tl;dr Revenus faked reaction to Day Vig in order to try and get town points.

Also remind me to:

1. Look at Revenus Meta to see if anyone has used a Day Vig in his games
   
2. Re-do this post to try and make it make more sense
   
3. Do my washing

VOTE: Revenus

[JacobSavage]

It's a note to go through it at some point. And its not just forgetting you, using it in a game.

[JacobSavage]

Edit why don't people have up to date wikis!

[JacobSavage]

Also Revenus, just looked though some of your games. You've used the day-vig tactic before.
Yeah Revenus is pretty much scum.

[JacobSavage]

Its ongoing, I can't and won't. You should know if you have or not, and you have.

[JacobSavage]

Some people just can't help it. Also I know.like none of you so can you blame.me ...

[JacobSavage]

Mini Normal =! 1 scum team. 2 anti town factions are considered normal (although normally it's scum and sk)

Plus bare in mind the name of the game.

[JacobSavage]

Hi,

[JacobSavage]

@Hiraki. Little to no content helps me stay alive at night

No, No, No. I don't even want to go into how anti town this is. If your Vanilla then you are terrible, mafia is a team game, as one you want to be NK'd. If your a PR your just asking to be lynched.

VOTE: Navarra

p-edit, does this help

[JacobSavage]

I didn't see your question...what was it.

[JacobSavage]

Finally, JS; question for you; what do you think about Hiraki's

Because at least Jacob has given out some reads and is honest.

Found it
But yeah it's terrible, I honest yes, but so far Ive pointed out when I think someone's said something scummy but I wouldn't call them "reads", more suspicions

[JacobSavage]

Oh dear.... I thought he said that later...
Yeah that's not good, he can go next me feels.

[JacobSavage]

Just on the point about theDirector wanting the hammer. Its something that I've seen him do as town so its not really something we can get reads off so yeah.

Also everyone on the Hiraki wagon. What makes you think that he is scum.

Everyone off the wagon, what do you think of Hiraki and his wagon?

[JacobSavage]

Well this game has stalled...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hiraki

That's L-1 folks.
@Hiraki, who do you think is scum and.why. What do you think of the directors hammer threat on someone (possibly Revens? )

[JacobSavage]

The strenght of the meta depends on how often you've played with him.

Also can we easy up on the walls, I barley read them normally but when theres so many of them.

[JacobSavage]

flavor wise, the town could be the mafia and the scum could be werewolves. or vice versa.

Now your stretching to get this to be a viable theory.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Viomi

Has nobody else picked up on this. His theory that Mafia are werewolves and town are Mafia if he had a town role PM. I'm pretty sure mine says town and the one in the OP.

[JacobSavage]

But he has a fair point, VOTE: Navarre

[JacobSavage]

Also pretty sure Ra requires 3 tributes not 2

[JacobSavage]

Hello Im back bitches.

1st: How is my V/LA conviently (yes I can't spell, get over it) timed? More to the point how is V/LA ever conviently timed. It happened when it happened because of real life. If you want I can go and gather all the bits of paper that show that it was then my lab report was due and it was then that
2nd: Jason makes a good point on the only one scum team "slip", so for now I'll go with that until I can dig up something new
VOTE: Viomi (L-2)

Director is being Director unfortunately. but I can see him being scum with WT but given that I am pretty sure Viomi is Mafia this doesn't make much sense if it is co-ordinated.


Also considering that it is lylo bascially (5:1:1 lynch town => 2:1:1 [assuming no-cross kills] => scum win almost certain) what does everyone think on a mass-claim. I'm happy to go first if we go down that root.

[JacobSavage]

Do it. You know you want to...

[JacobSavage]

Wait nobody said you were scum with WT....

And why is it such a bad idea? Sorry I just can't see it

[JacobSavage]

Of course he did, he's the director ...

[JacobSavage]

This is mylo effectively. so do we no lynch or massclaim. Dicuss.

[JacobSavage]

Wait no it's not we have 5 not 4 ...

[JacobSavage]

@Mod shouldn't it be 3 to lynch...

[JacobSavage]

Well fuck.

VOTE: Revenus

[JacobSavage]

UNVOTE:

Well that gambit failed

Moving on, I assume youre both Vanillas as well

[JacobSavage]

The issue here is that I can totally see what he is saying.
Under any normal regime to have one anti-wearwolf role.
(It is my impression that Seers are like Cops to Werewolves, and so the guility/innocent thing isnt that much of a bigger deal)

Secondly I can see why I would be in lylo, I can see why YOLO would be in lylo but someone who had so many town reads on him as Jason... seems to much of a risk.

BRB, meta-ing.

YOLO, did you breadcrumb?

@Mod: Does a seer's receive a guilty result on a Mafia Member?

~ Players can ask questions about their own roles but I can't publicly answer questions about other player's roles.

[JacobSavage]

I never finished that first point. To have an anti-werewolf role and not an anti-cop one would be difficult to get through any review process.

[JacobSavage]

Thats actually quite interesting...
What do you think about the point about the cop to balance the seer?

On a side note: I have yet to win a game where I haven't been alive on the last day...
Obviously its my natural gift >_>

[JacobSavage]

What would be the point in having a strong man?
All the cops are macho so its not for that, and I don't think a Vanilla is really worth giving them a strongman.

[JacobSavage]

I don't know, My gut says YOLO, he's been lurking all game and only occasionally coming in with big walls. This is a tactic that I've seen scum do, but on the other hand much of his posts are town orientated.

On the other hand Jason also seems town. I mean he's been the most town all game. But the claim from YOLO by its simplicity makes more sense. Anyway I'm going to look at some past Mini Normals.



(On a side note: Story Dead thread if I get this wrong )

[JacobSavage]

I can see why a cop would makes sense but I can see the counter argument.

Currently I'm just rambling and talking aloud, humour me.

[JacobSavage]

Also the I know this game is balanced if it's not then it wouldn't have made reviews.

There's a distinct difference between giving town an information role and giving scum a blocking role. The block can affect the whole game, the See specifically affects Werewolves.

Fuck this;

VOTE: JasonWazza

[JacobSavage]

I like to take my time over these things....

Also it took me a while to come to terms with the fact that people where calling me town, that's a new experience.

But well played to the town, also the fact that it went down to a 3p lylo generally means the balancing isnt totally off...

[JacobSavage]

[JacobSavage]

I think its probably balanced, it wouldn't have made it through the reviews otherwise.