Mini 1422 - White Room Mafia - Game Over

[Hiraki]

I am going to act super serious this game.

No jokes, no plays, no nothin'.

Vote: Populartajo

[Hiraki]

No, it's completely serious. I have good suspicion to believe that people with a Best Town Performance banner are probably scum in a White Room game. Too sketchy if you ask me.

[Hiraki]

Nope, still completely serious tajo.

Your reaction is quite horrible though.

I think I've got this game in the bag now.

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: mozamis

This is actually a good vote.

[Hiraki]

Carey requires death for ignoring the essentials.

[Hiraki]

Ignoring everything you've said.

And, no it isn't.

[Hiraki]

Uh no Tajo.

Anyone who seriously asks me who the scum team is needs to die.

[Hiraki]

The problem wasn't the seriousness of the question Tajo.

It was the obvious statement that looked like mozamis thought I was going to give him the right answer.

Shame on him for not making it a bit more obvious that his attempt was toward humor.

[Hiraki]

It shows that they're trying to take the path of least resistance rather than do what they think is best for town.

Considering that he went for someone due to the fact that he was going after lurkers on Page 3, he's not doing this.

If there's an actual consensus about this, I wouldn't mind taking up qwints' policy.

[Hiraki]

wait qwints

is that what your policy lynch is based on

ugh

[Hiraki]

Yes. You have got him now.

I mean how many games have you guys played together?

[Hiraki]

I can't even believe what I just read.

Unvote, Vote: Monkeyman

He needs to die if you want me to live. Reading more posts like that might give me an aneurysm.

Not to mention, but I'd like to see that third game you talked about Monkey.

[Hiraki]

Yeah I didn't even bother checking because anything under 100 is super old.

[Hiraki]

nubnub vendetta is still nub

[Hiraki]

There is an abundance of reasoning.

You literally need to read Monkeyman's posts to realize his paranoia.

To be fair, this is more null in terms of Monkeyman but I'm willing to not care about that for my own sanity (both in terms of his character and logically)

[Hiraki]

>ask him about the policy
>vote him anyway

does this answer really matter?

[Hiraki]

You don't stop engaging your weak scum-reads on page 5.

You've never said what's bad about him.

You even just sound confused toward his reasoning in the post that you voted him in.

I'm not questioning why you're questioning him more. My post had literally nothing to do with that.

What I am asking is why you're so anxious to vote him without knowing the full truth yourself.

[Hiraki]

nubnub vendetta is still nub

Why are you ridiculing Vendetta?

I'm not ridiculing.

Just stating the obvious.

Or at least so I thought was pretty obvious.

[Hiraki]

I see.

That is why you felt a necessity to state that.

[Hiraki]

made a quite reasonable post

The post was reasonable.

But making an accusation of smoke screening on Page 5 is such a nub move.

Maybe if Rob kept it up until like Page 15, then it'd be OK to push that lead.

But Vendetta has 2 posts, has listed no reads (i.e. being hypocritical as Rob said), and is basically just not playing a good game.

Besides when a person goes to the max and says:

and he seemed a little too Socratic.

You know that it doesn't matter what you think about the post.

The dude just called him too socratic. He's a nubnub.

[Hiraki]

Qwints seems much more worked up over this. That is scummy.

...

[Hiraki]

>doing something different
>scummy

Can we just lynch it now?

[Hiraki]

I'm giving you guys one more day.

Before I deal with Monkey myself.

And no, it's not a Dayvig.

[Hiraki]

You're calling him out for acting differently when he's already shown that he's acted this way in a different game.

Not to mention, the original examples you gave were false. Aren't you an agitator of Lynch All Liars?

[Hiraki]

Yes, Mafia 89 and Mafia 91 for starters.

So your answer is two games from 2009 where you were vigged as scum?

Okay so not a huge lie but completely missed the point. Forgot that should be expected though.

[Hiraki]

well i've been coming down and did a little skimming here and there and i'll just drop by to say this monkey wagon is fucking terrible LOL

kill him

anyway

[Hiraki]

literally nothing suggests that there's a definite standard of three scum

[Hiraki]

Literally either lynch is fine.

so this is really nice and cool and awesome and super special

[Hiraki]

the director is town from meta

[Hiraki]

in newbie 1322 I was being an ass. Here, I'm trying to STFU and not get lynched day 1.

Explain this more, please.

[Hiraki]

That's usual for newbies though.

[Hiraki]

I needs a vote count

[Hiraki]

I needs a vote count

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: Mozamis

[Hiraki]

bit late.

[Hiraki]

How is Monkey town?

[Hiraki]

WRoD can only be used one game at a time.

I will consider it due to the request, however.

[Hiraki]

Am I looking into it too hard if I could see that the kill came from unseencamo?

[Hiraki]

Unvote, Vote: unseen

[Hiraki]

because elleran literally tunneled unseen

[Hiraki]

my vote literally has nothing to do with unseen's actions

[Hiraki]

I tried to get more, oh well. Party pooper qwintz.

So here goes nothing--pretty sure everyone who wagoned with me is nubtown.

Everyone else, who questioned it is still the same.

Anyone disagree? Didn't think so.

Here's the lynchpool:FourTrouble, unseencamo, the director, qwints, Rob13, and tajo/replacement.

Don't want qwintz dead, Rob is pretty town, and the director is 99.9% assured town. That leaves the lynchpool at: FourTrouble, unseencamo, and tajo/replacement.

There's a good chance there's an SK and a two-team mafia--that's my best guess. I can't see it being 2-2-9 unless we have more than two PRs. I'm pretty sure we don't, but that's just my guess.

Anywho, pick your favorite or make up your own.

Unvote, Vote: FourTrouble

For having a keen defense of unseen while never speaking about him in D1. He's basically been tunneling. Especially on Rob with little to no reasoning and just gut for the entirety of the game.

[Hiraki]

I'm glad I have Hiraki to do all the work..

Please just have votes in the remainder of the posts that you do in this game.

Because literally that's all I need.

Also, if some of you guys need more proof that Monkey/thenewearth/tigerzone are nubtown, just look at how they voted inline.

Nubscum would be cautious--don't want to die scenario.

Besides, night actions should be more aligned now.

[Hiraki]

>we

You stand alone regardless of my standing.

[Hiraki]

Yes, I've imposed my own rule and no one else can present differentiating opinions!

Muahaha! You're all under my mind control!!!!

[Hiraki]

It's a special gift. I love that everyone thinks I'm "scummy".

FTFY

[Hiraki]

*Lynchpool

That should literally clear everything up.

[Hiraki]

Why is unseen scum? Lay out a case for me.

[Hiraki]

The thought process on starting the whole gambit was that I examined Elleran did a quick skim at first. Saw the little tidbit of a relationship between the two, did some more detective work (i.e. scrolled down more) and found that it wasn't true.

However, I was a bit befuddled on my reads with some peeps.

Did reaction test for town (rather than for scum which is just yuck)

succeeds

yay

[Hiraki]

Your 'swinging gate' test to see who walked through and who didn't was certainly interesting, but it does have some inherent flaws, one namely being activity (or lack thereof) could give a false positive/negative, but it certainly did give reads.

I admit that it was a bit of a roulette in terms of success

but it worked

so yay

[Hiraki]

What are your reads now?

Lynchpool.

I'm pretty sure on FourTrouble. Everyone else is a bit nullish. I'll examine that later though, definitely.

[Hiraki]

Presumably the thought is that he knows I'm town and wants to get cred by fighting a losing battle against a mislynch - but he puts a lot of work in despite the fact that Carey threatens to hammer.

I've done much more as scum at the edge of death, and of course, survived.

[Hiraki]

Same difference. I've done that when I've done that. I mean I know by saying that I'm not convincing you in any way shape or form but I just want you to realize that what Four has done isn't so farfetched as you're making it out to be.

[Hiraki]

SQUIRM.

You obviously do not understand the objectivity of lynchpools

and will suffer for it

[Hiraki]

I don't think he gets that Four appeared to be soft-claiming a result, and the people that jumped on without question are very likely town. (It should be noted that this does not work if Hiraki got lucky, and unseemcamo actually sent in the kill).

You actually need to explain what you're saying here.

[Hiraki]

I'm not soft-claiming a result nor was I doing a reaction test.

I mean it works as an indirectly made reaction test but I would've said he gave a good reaction. Not enough to get him away from the blade

but that's too bad

You obviously do not understand the objectivity of lynchpools

keyword

objectivity

one of FourTrouble, unseencamo, tajo/replacement

must die

therefore,

since people want fourtrouble to die

i shall join them

[Hiraki]

yes

do you want to see my twilight fanfic as well?

my gurl meyer forgot to add some brony action in there

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, regardless of your intent, the effect was that noob town sheeped you, right?

i'm going more towards the idea that you thought four was claiming a PR

[Hiraki]

bad phrasing then bro

bad phrasing

getting me all knackered out

[Hiraki]

My vote on you is not a reaction test.

My vote on unseencamo

was

a reaction test.

I am voting you because of the lynchpool methodology.

That has been reinforced by this:

Why did you switch from unseen to me?

While almost a billion examples on this site show fake "Why Me, Fry Me" tells, this is "Why Me, Fry Me" in it's basic form.

My opinion is my own and you are trying to fight against it by fighting me rather than finding actual scum. If you still think I'm scum for giving a vote, according to you, with no evidence, then do you think I am absolute shit at scum?

[Hiraki]

you lynch x, y, z and you win the game

at least that's the plan

plan always changes though

i'm feeling your demise very soon though

[Hiraki]

Hiraki is also deflecting my questions. I asked a very specific and straight-forward question: why switch from unseen to me. Hiraki has yet to give a real answer to that.

because you are acting objectively worse

plans change

besides

i had a wagon full of bullshit on it at first

if unseen isn't scum

scum is gonna wagon

[Hiraki]

rob13

why don't you trust me

and stop watching these nubs talk

it's kind of been my thought plan for the last few days

[Hiraki]

Because I need to figure out these "nubs" alignments? That was a horrible post Hiraki.

i've already done that for you

why can't you trust me????

[Hiraki]

yeah as much as i've been avoiding thedirector's posts on the issues

he is sort of really right

[Hiraki]

i haven't

just haven't commented directly

don't think you've asked me anything, correct?

[Hiraki]

No guys we could literally be wasting our time

ima get papazito in this shit

[Hiraki]

Hiraki - reads please. Same from qwints, actually.

four-scum
tajo/replacement-still scum but really depends
everyone else-town
unseen-null

The rest of the scum is prob one of the three newbs I called out before. I'm feeling a bit overconfident about those reads.

[Hiraki]

there's literally no reason to do an iso

this is why fourtrouble is scum

he's uber over reacting to what he's said multiple times

a vote that has absolutely no evidence behind it

Rob: Mostly likely looking at newearth now after fourscum dies.

[Hiraki]

Humor me.

Why?

[Hiraki]

I look for scum. Don't really find a difference between scum/SK except the obvious.

What you say is incorrect because, like I said before, the wagon is being headed by the same nubs who I called town for blindlessly following it.

Only new folk is qwintz and I haven't actually read why yet.

Besides, four is actually scummy.

[Hiraki]

Unseen looks townie from meta. He usually doesn't "play". Literally cannot remember a game where he posted something larger than a paragraph.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

meanwhile he's uber serious in his scumgame

get off him you idiots

Be careful with your votes people, I can understand wanting to lynch Hiraki, I want to do it too, it would make all the pieces of the puzzle fall together so nicely... but it wouldn't give us everything we need, and it's also a risk. We've already lost 3 town, can we afford another mislynch?

This setup is almost guaranteed 2 scum and one SK. Even if it is three scum, we still have a mislynch. Also, this is an uber wishwashy statement and I'm willing to compromise off FourTrouble.

[Hiraki]

no seriously keep commenting on the recent pages when you're not even at the end yet

[Hiraki]

it's sk

because either the vig is daft

or it's an sk

[Hiraki]

literally needs to die

when are you going to tell us who your alt is

because even monkeyman didn't use curious george as a username

[Hiraki]

i don't do haiku

why would you think i do hmm?

is you a fool?

[Hiraki]

i don't do haiku

it was intentional you idiot

[Hiraki]

Literally nothing that I've said could ever further a 2scum2SK theory.

[Hiraki]

Can you show me

where I say 2 SK

and 2 scum

that'd be great

and yes two people died in the night

either scum is super powered

or there's an sk

or like I said before in 805

we have a dumb vig

[Hiraki]

god damnit

i've done this in like 2 games now

where i'm sure that i voted someone

but i didn't

oh well

Unvote, Vote: Waluigi

pre-edit: I don't think anyone knows.

[Hiraki]

Misread that. Small point.

But still, the point stands that you're calling 2 Scum+SK a theory.

[Hiraki]

Ok

so see I can do this circular logic thing too

you're voting me on the accusation that i'm confirming a theory

which means I MUST be the SK because only the SK correct?

so basically, you're saying, that i gave up that I was SK just so I could reveal myself

like literally

beautiful

but wait I guess by assuming that scum couldn't know that an SK exists that I'm scum

[Hiraki]

*because only the SK knows about the SK, correct?

[Hiraki]

Okay but literally the only one who could know there's an SK is me unless scum has a PR that can tell it.

Your case on me is literally

I'd say you're pushing the theory pretty hard. You seem to be basing a lot of your posts off some information that isn't available to the rest of us.

As in, using deductive reasoning to do a bit more work than you and getting *GASP* more information.

You'd think the two were related in some way.

Your claimed "reaction test" regarding the unseen wagon also brings up zero reads to anybody that doesn't already know whether unseen is scum or not.

This makes me scum.....?

So yes when I argue about my SK "theory", I am arguing your vote. So you can go and pretend that you have this super jumbo case behind you but you literally have this.

So here's why you're scum:

And for what it's worth I don't agree with Hiraki's claim of it being most likely 2 mafia + SK.

I don't find it scummy, just an attempt to explain the 2nd night death, but in my opinion

While now apparently I have information.

Not even that, here's what comes after it:

I'd just like to say that I don't like that the Hiraki wagon is gaining momentum. Be careful with your votes people, I can understand wanting to lynch Hiraki, I want to do it too, it would make all the pieces of the puzzle fall together so nicely... but it wouldn't give us everything we need, and it's also a risk.

He needs to die. But if Hiraki gets to L-1... Idk I'll consider hammering.

You've literally been against my lynch until tonight where apparently I have hidden info (even though before this hidden info doesn't exist)

Meanwhile, Whiskers has voted me which adds another vote to my wagon.

Coincidence?

Nah.

[Hiraki]

That's literally not the point.

[Hiraki]

That's literally not the point.

That's literally the

entire

point. The rest is based on your reaction.

No, the entire point of my post is that you were defending my wagon, and not exclusively on the premise of the SK theory, but now you've flipped flop exclusively on the SK theory.

whiskers is a small point as well that i did for justification for your motive

motive should mean little in a case and should just add to the wow you're right factor

[Hiraki]

Please quote a post where your vote is on me for something other than the SK theory.

[Hiraki]

No, I have. You're basing your vote on me because you believe it's impossible for me to say that there's a definitive chance in an SK. Meanwhile, you defended me on that topic before.

You can keep saying that I'm not reading your posts but if you keep changing them then of course I'm not reading them.

Because I really can't bother, care, attempt, or try to read your mind.

[Hiraki]

I'm VT. Someone hammer. This game is sickening.

And no, I won't self-hammer.

Scumteam is within FourTrouble, Waluigi, Unseen, and Director.

Whiskers. For the fuck's sake.

Please you preview and make one damn post per 5 minutes.

Waluigi.

If you are town, then never ever ever ever ever use the ideology of a "correct" town response. Because saying that one thing, that

you

decide is the best town response is about the most scum biased play you could ever make.

[Hiraki]

But honestly, try to analyze the motivations behind scum-me switching from Four to Hiraki if I was Hiraki's scum-buddy. Non-existent.

Hiraki's lynch is not inevitable. There is no such thing as an inevitable lynch until the hammer has occurred.

i'm hitting my head

really

really

really

really

really

really

really

really

really

really

really

hard right now

did you seriously use the same logic to justify one thing

and then to strike down something else

we, the town, deserve to lose this game

because it's a miracle that i can think straight after playing this game

[Hiraki]

and my point on unseen still stands that unseen scum is completely different from unseen town

[Hiraki]

(towncred)

[Hiraki]

please stop trying to reason

i'm wrong

he's not an alt

he's just more arrogant than even me

[Hiraki]

Are you literally trying to argue with me on something that doesn't matter?

[Hiraki]

Yeah qwintz. You suck too.

We're in the suck pile together! Yeah!

[Hiraki]

Take a step back away from your computer (this is scumcoaching by the way, I'm scum and Waluigi is scum, this is how scum coach each other) until you are done having the rage.

This isn't a rage. Haven't you been reading the last few pages? Like I said, if you've ever thought that I've been super arrogant then just look at Waluigi now.

He's going to call you scum next post or imply you're an idiot.

[Hiraki]

i debated it

i really did

[Hiraki]

please don't try and make monkey post more

[Hiraki]

no

i don't know

[Hiraki]

those are hallmarks of noobs

not noobscum

noobscum have rage or super coolheadedness

they're extremes, not norms

[Hiraki]

How is noobscum being cool headed?

Look at your posts in Newbie XXXX when you were scum.

You were pretty coolheaded then. Focused on the game, solely on the game.

You're not the only one.

In fact, the problem I forsee with just about everyone's meta is that you have to curtail your scum meta to look worse than what you usually do (effectively, this hurts your town meta just as much as your scum meta)

If you get that done and you play a solid game, there's a high chance of a scum you winning than a town you--a considerable one, I believe.

Qwintz: Monkey is dumbtown. Please stop it.

[Hiraki]

No, exactly, that's what Rob is saying.

He was being too general about what he classified as a noobtown rather than what was a noob. It's not entirely the same thing. Rob was calling stubborness and undeveloped traits of noobtown. The problem is that he made these things the defining traits of noobtown. They're more traits for noobs while the secondary traits (calmness/apprehensiveness and an almost irate and overeager behavior for extremes) make the differentiation between noobscum and noobtown.

If that vig is real, I am very annoyed that you decided to go with thenewearth rather than Monkeyman.

ffs, monkeyman deserves more death in an objective opinion

the only reason I don't want him dead is because i know this is his town play

also, qwints is my bro. don't be hatin

[Hiraki]

No, Rob13 didn't read the rules. This game goes by majority is lynched. My Rob13 townread is gone now.

Lynchpool for ultimate win is within: Rob13, Waluigi, unseen, FourTrouble.

I'm 99.99999% sure that the scum is within that list, if not the majority of them.

[Hiraki]

i'll use the winged dragon of ra to destroy that fool

[Hiraki]

whiskers

it's really not worth the time to worry about mm

go for the gold with my lynchpool

success is guaranteed

[Hiraki]

no it's because you still haven't addressed my concerns

and hundreds before you have asked me to stop typing like i do

do you think that you will make even a little difference

p.s.

you wont

[Hiraki]

rob13 would assume you were taking about rob12

[Hiraki]

monkey never makes sense from a point of view

[Hiraki]

how about we play a game

switch your preferences to 3, 2, 1

and i'll be happier

fair deal amirite?

[Hiraki]

qwints

once you get rid of me

you will put aside all of your hatred for mm

and follow me

the winged dragon will give you guidance

[Hiraki]

He didn't even see the flip and he's going on.

You guys better not fail me and Ra now. Shit's serious. I would've claimed by now.

[Hiraki]

no you see my death

will actually do something

[Hiraki]

besides you won't die unless you're scum

[Hiraki]

k haha it's so funny

please continue to make fun of my posting style where everyone is laughing with you

in the graveyard

Vengekill: Rob13

[Hiraki]

I had 24 hours. Wanted to get the most out of it, if you know what I mean.

[Hiraki]

Completely serious and I am town. See you in the Dead QT.

[Hiraki]

But you already know it's not really that bad--for the town of course.

[Hiraki]

Well played scum. The Director is now on my blacklist.

I'll agree with this and I don't know where he thinks that we're buddies.

monkey was scum so that was literally an automatic win for scum so i can't comment more

I'll admit I had a larger push on Rob for more unwarranting reasons but FourTrouble was a genuine scumread of mine. Waluigi was a trap that we all fell into due to his nubness.

But w/e, gg.

[Hiraki]

Just don't understand the Monkey criticism. I thought he was town from day 1.

Because of an extreme tell rather than a normal town tell, right?

That's why I just can't play with him anymore. I give up.

[Hiraki]

You're hard to read because you play like a newbie. I'm not really up for arguing this further. I'm just not going to play with you anymore. Call it butthurt; don't really give a fuck.