Mini 1440 - Unoriginal Mafia - Endgame

[rmpeacoc]

VOTE: Vote: PACIFIST

For posting about me and being the 4th vote on Pranay

[rmpeacoc]

I meant above me... I was having 2 thoughts at once.

[rmpeacoc]

so like i was about to jump on teh pranay BW but then i realized its autistic and u guys are autistic

me too till I realized he was on L-3 already...

[rmpeacoc]

VOTE: Vote: PACIFIST

For posting about me and being the 4th vote on Pranay

VOTE: Pranay

[rmpeacoc]

FML

UNVOTE

VOTE: Pacifist

[rmpeacoc]

you know what would be really hilarious despite jokes that pranay was actually scum

rmp are you okay there why are you voting pacifist big man is gonna get mad if i dont try to play mafia

Well I voted Pacifist first but I screwed it up with the vote tags cause I didnt know how they work so I wanted to make sure the mod saw my vote but I was thinking about how everyone bw'd Pranay so I voted Pranay but I wouldn't want to put Pranay at L-2 now would I because if the scum aren't voting him they could change their votes and hammer. Not that they would because that would be scummy but I'm just making a point here.

Anyway I think I have it under control.

As for why am I voting Pacifist... because I wanted to vote someone and he was the most logical, bringing Pranay to L-3 and because he was the one posting above me for the randomness.

If I do anything stupid we can attribute that to the fact that my brain isn't working today, okay.

Kidding, of course. I'll try to focus

[rmpeacoc]

why did you just put Pranay at L-1???

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I'm not sure I'd call you 'obvious town' because there is a change your partner knew it would bw but didnt want it to get to L-1...

but regardless I don't want to lynch you today.

[rmpeacoc]

umm... turquoise put you at L-2... not GuyInFreezer.

[rmpeacoc]

bomberman calls lynch stupid and doesn't unvote with me at l-1

UNVOTE: GuyInFreezer
VOTE: Bomberman

any1 who doesnt unvote is scum trying to get me quicklynched...

This. Come on really.

VOTE: Unvote: Pacifist

[rmpeacoc]

FML

UNVOTE: Pacifist

Don't call me stupid. I already know, and its mean.

I think I got the hang of it now, though

[rmpeacoc]

Ask them a question. They're bound to answer it someday.

Wait. Who's voting you for you not talking enough?

^^ that. This is super dumb. If some of Goodbar, baboon, Mephistopheles, Fegelein, or nbtnbt5 were scumteam they could come back and hammer. Clearly I'm not going to hammer it, but at L-2 it could still happen. I don't like the bw.

Also don't like that baboon was here and didn't say anything for the game.

If Goodbar has been lurking at least he's not saying anything at all.

VOTE: baboon

[rmpeacoc]

mfw you say 3. Thanks for leaving me out Pranay

[rmpeacoc]

o nvm you said 3 of you... i thought you said 3 of us

[rmpeacoc]

Remind me to not post in the thread again when I'm fucking shattered. Thanks.

You're in 2 games with me and you're being dramatic in both of them.

Relax, you've only got one vote on you.

[rmpeacoc]

Good find, rmp. Wagon time.

VOTE: fegelein

I'm not sure I find it to be scummy though...

[rmpeacoc]

dont talk about other games, tia

Sorry I didn't even think about it... still not giving anything away, though... as I'm not sure I see it as scummy.

[rmpeacoc]

Obvious to who? It's not obvious to me. I think Goodbar's vote is justified, personally. He didn't take the bandwagon, he took the person who fmpov acts like he is trying to participate but has one liner posts. to be fair I can't say I have a read on you, Nunez. I'd like to see some scumhunting. Regardless if I had just joined in I'd probably be all of a Nunez lynch as well.

[rmpeacoc]

Good find, rmp. Wagon time.

VOTE: fegelein

I'm not sure I find it to be scummy though...

I don't remember calling that scummy.

I would hope that you wouldn't really want a wagon on someone you don't think is scummy at this point in the game... maybe that's just me and my preference, though.

[rmpeacoc]

I think we already got a pretty huge reaction out of him... but that's just me.

[rmpeacoc]

^^ Thank you!

[rmpeacoc]

2 reasons:
1: Don't want anyone to hammer early, we still have plenty of time to use today (even if they get lynched today)
2: Nunez's play warrants at least 1 vote at this stage.

This seems town.

That being said, I do feel that the way fegelein reacted earlier in the game was due to much frustration and the fact that some of you were attacking him. I probably would have removed my vote on baboon at this point, but now I'd like a bit more explanation from Nero on why fegelein is the scummiest right now.

[rmpeacoc]

turquoise was an EMer... and Em is back up. I'm sure most of the flakes are due to that. Unfortunate people don't stick around. I'm having fun!

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So...

I'm probably going to vote for Bomberman and push his lynch hard once he does something more blatantly scummy. Too many of his posts just give me a bad vibe. We'll see how that goes.

Praynay's probably not very smart. Is he scum, though? Don't think so.

Pacifist is totally scum.

Not sure about mpea, but I'll bet scum.

Goodbar, eh.

Nunez is town, basically.

vote Pacifist

You all kinda annoy me in some really key ways. It's really too bad. But at least your posts are short.

lol get pranay

i don't think this is my thing btw, esp considering everything said is a lot more elaborate than it would be in a chatroom

Yeah, this is what you call a foist. Don't ask me what foist means. I do not know what foist means. Pacifist and his responsibility as a player to do more than exist are the two things foisted.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: guyinfreezer
i dont really feel like i have to explain this

i still think pranays scum b/c of the way he averts things and the way the bw on hims kinda diffusing

you should, like, "explain this"

vote Pacifist

So are all of you, like, EMers who just temporarily needed somewhere new to take a shit?

WHAT? How is Nunez is town..? EXPLAIN????

He said so. Has he done anything that might make his own word dubious?

I, for one, affirm honesty and frankness in all of my dealings. What has Nunez done that suggests he follows some different creed?

I'm 100% town by the way.

You, sir, are terrible, IMO.

Regardless, why don't you, like "elaborate" or, like "ask questions", "scum hunt".

I can't help but make fun of ridiculousness, I'm sorry.

Psych actually at this point you have almost completely opposite reads of me so I'm very curious where you're coming from.

Also to elaborate on what no one else (namely petulant peta) will elaborate on, the "backpedal" from guyinfreezer seems to be from when he voted Pacifist. Then he seemed like he was voting because of what rmpeacoc said about him. After she said she didn't even really consider what she said about him scummy, he called his vote a reaction vote. It appears to be a backpedal of sheeping poor reasoning to vote someone and looking back I'm not sure what kind of reaction you'd want to get out of Pacifist responding to rmpeacoc anyway.

ArcAngel are you incapable of detecting lack of seriousness cuz that's the answer to everything you said.

Looking forward to more thoughts nero

Goodbar: You mean fegelein, not pacifist.
Also, thank you for noting that I am, indeed, female.

[rmpeacoc]

I didn't say anything about pacifist...

[rmpeacoc]

there was no need to get a reaction. Fegelein was already having a reaction, imo. It was all dumb, and I do read GIF as scummy because of it, however not enough to vote him.

Just a note to those who don't get my vote. originally I was trying to get baboon too appear.

Now I've kept my vote on Nero who replaced him because I don't think we should have to ask for him to explain his vote. This isn't RVS.

[rmpeacoc]

it was to show you how stupid your reads are. I completely disagree with nunez being obvious town right now.

Since when does saying you are town mean you are town?

Also I'd like to see your support on why you'll bet im scum.

[rmpeacoc]

I'd also like to see your support for Pacifist being scum. Not that I think he's town, I just don't think he has warranted a vote, yet.

Nunez, however, is ridiculous and has not been helping. My opinion is that he is anti-town... maybe not scum, but not helping town, which I have a problem with.

[rmpeacoc]

Also (I meant to say this before) At this point in the game I find it to be scummy not to support your vote, even if it is for a reaction test.

My reason for this is that mafia like to stall and have time to think up a reason why someone is scum.

[rmpeacoc]

Oh, you made post #27.

Nevermind, then.

Had too look back... wasnt sure who you were talking to. Nevermind what?

[rmpeacoc]

so let me get this straight. If I'm ever scum in a game... I just need to vote different from anyone else then mess up a few times then keep calm and explain like I did in #27 and everyone will townread me?

win.

p-edit: You're a creeper. What's your biggest dream?

[rmpeacoc]

I'm cool with this request, though my top 3 aren't completely supportable.

I think that if Nero and Nunez can show me something town, give some real explanation, I'd be willing to vote GuyInFreezer.

Nero: Reasons I stated before. Baboons first post (as well as Nunez's) was ridiculous. Then Baboon said nothing.... granted he also didn't answer the prod. When Nero came in as replacement he gave no support to his vote. I have a problem with this kind of play. As I've said before not supporting your vote really makes you seem like you're trying to fly under the radar and looking for a real reason to call someone scum when you are the real scum.

GuyInFreezer: I don't think this needs to be explaining. His obvious not reaction test bandwagon was really idiotic and scummy. He hasn't said anything in the game that screams town.

And if I have to pick a #3 it would be:

Nunez: I just don't think hes willing to help town at all. He's lurking and not at all willing to scumhunt.

as for Psyche he at least seems to be scumhunting, confident or not. I don't want to have to choose between inactive players in lylo. I'd rather have something to read.

[rmpeacoc]

Nice. Stalking me while I reread.

I still like my vote on Nero as he was voting Fegelein and he seems scummy.

Also Feg was voting Nunez, who I also see as scum. Seems to fall into place nicely so...

vote: Nero

[rmpeacoc]

Because:

H'elo!

vote Fegelein

Nero, however, replaces into a game and makes ONE post with a vote. Fegelein out's some actual reads and is participating and most have backed off of his wagon, but here is Nero, coming in to jump on him for no reason.

Then he also dies. (Based on the fact that Nero came in and voted without giving a reason, I think he might just be stupid enough to kill his own 'scumtell'.

Nunez seems like a fucking idiot so I'm not sure he's worth my vote yet. I'm not going to get much out of him even if I do vote. I'd like to scumhunt. This does not mean I want to lynch Nero today. I'm actually not even sure who to lynch, but i want Nero back and I want an explanation for why the fuck he voted Fegelein.

THAT BEING SAID, Petapan was also calling both Fegelein and GIF out for stupid shit and called the blitz on GIF. However, I think that if he felt like he could show someone to be town, such as fegelein, he wouln't kill him.

That's why I voted Nero... hope that makes sense.

[rmpeacoc]

I agree that it did seem scummy but I don't see him as scum.

Nero and Nunez are both Lazy. HOWEVER. Babboon was also stupid. Yes I know it was one post but don't you find it odd that his replacement would come in here and be lazy? It just seems a bit off to me.

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Maybe, but with the bw that was on him and then off of him right away, I'm still unsure... I'm just looking at every scenario.

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Jake: Why no support?

[rmpeacoc]

I was asking for support for your peta vote.

NOW I would like to see some support for myself being a scum partner. ROFL Jake you are just.... horrible... just horrible. You really think you're pro don't you?

[rmpeacoc]

I was asking for support for your peta vote.

NOW I would like to see some support for myself being a scum partner. ROFL Jake you are just.... horrible... just horrible. You really think you're pro don't you?

This is a bad post. Lessening my town read.

i have really been reading rmp as noob town kinda like fegelin i dunno could use a re-read maybe

noob or not (and btw I'm only noob to ms, not to mafia) pretty sure I still know how to support myself... And when someone says exactly who they think are mafia this soon in the game without any sort of support to back it up I have a problem. So yes, I'm going to call him out on his confidence. Scum or not, it's just something I can't stand. I just want to know where he's coming from...

Also please do reread me... everyone go back and reread me at that and tell me where I've been scummy because I would like my chance to defend myself if I'm going to be called out like that.

Also I don't like the way that Jake has been sitting around calling out people like crazy. First it was Peta, Nunez, and myself, and now he FOSes Bomberman? This is all just coming out of left field and completely unsupported. I just want to see the support.

Anyway on another note. I do think that bomberman is town. Jake is null to me. Im guessing he probably always plays like he is playing now... which will seriously annoy me to no end.

Thanks bomberman for that highlight of the votes. I think that at least one person who was voting GIF d1 is scum... I still Want more out of Nero and Nunez... Nunez particularly with his vote having been placed on Pranay (Demon) and fegelein voting him....

My list is like this right now:

I'm not sure I like all of the votes on Psyche... I feel like mafia might be pushing for another fast lynch... and of course some townies are falling onto the same bw. I'd like to see more before we have anyone claiming or close to being lynched.

Also I think that I want to hear a lot more from ArcAngel. Coming into the game to saw that you think someone is suspicious but not to ask any questions and then to say people aren't participating... I don't like it. I think that sometimes you do just have suspicions but what I'm seeing is a lot of finger pointing with nothing to back it up and I think that could be why people aren't participating. For instance I'd be on top of it more if Jake or someone who sees something I did as scummy would actually say their reasoning and help me to explain, which would in turn allow you guys to get better reads on me by the way that I defend myself.

And so I must ask:

ArcAngel... what are your reasons for thinking Goodbar is suspicious?

And Jake as I've asked multiple times I would like your reasoning for why you put me into a scumteam with Peta and Nunez...

[rmpeacoc]

why I think rmp is scummy

Spoiler:

This statement is n00b scummy imo because she wanted to BW but didn't want to be the person to put him at L-2, but she was the one and immediately backed off. She makes up some lame reason why she would not want to put a person at L-2. She says she doesn't want to scum to come in and hammer but also says she doesn't think they would. If she's town and scum hammered that would make town's job easier.

but I was thinking about how everyone bw'd Pranay so I voted Pranay but I wouldn't want to put Pranay at L-2 now would I because if the scum aren't voting him they could change their votes and hammer. Not that they would because that would be scummy but I'm just making a point here.

this vote makes no fucking sense, she was the one who put pranay at L-2 and to compensate for it attacks the person who put him to L-3

You just took this completely out of context. I never meant to put my vote on Pranay. I was thinking about the bw on pranay as I was typing so I typed pranay instead of pacifist. My entire indention at that point was to vote pacifist. Also this was RVS. I was looking for a reason to vote someone. I didnt vote Pacifist because he was scummy, I voted him because he was the last person to bw Pranay.

As for why am I voting Pacifist... because I wanted to vote someone and he was the most logical, bringing Pranay to L-3

post 46 - freaks out at Numez putting pranay at L-1 but doesn't vote him.

I asked him why he put Pranay at L-1. I never freaked out... and thus I didn't vote him

post 49 - doesn't want to vote Numez for putting pranay at L-1 but keeps her vote on Pacifist for putting pranay to L-3....

again that was my RVS vote... I just hadn't taken it off yet. I had no intention of having Pacifist lynched.

post 54 - agrees with pranay about something, I am assuming the part where pranay calls out bomberman (because he's right) but still doesn't vote, instead just unvotes.

I was agreeing that the bw should come off of pranay. Not sure why that means I should vote. People around here are really obsessed with voting the second you suspect someone. Clearly I just care more about where I place my vote than you do. In some games people might call placing your vote on a lot of people 'flip-flopping'. I don't feel like my vote needs to be on someone unless its RVS or I think they're actually scum. One or two scummy sentences doesn't warrant my vote.

post 76 - votes baboon when there are much better people to vote from her pov. (from her pov she should be voting nunez or bomberman)

Clearly looking for a beetlejuice... looking for baboon to say something

post 128 - seems like coaching nunez to scumhunt and also says that if she was new she would be voting him, but why does that matter?

if I had just joined in, as in if i was a replacement, not 'if i was new'. And as far as nunez goes, I've been trying to get people to participate all game... you just want to point out this one time. I can point out many if you like.

I could go on more but gotta run.

So please continue because I really think you're off base.

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^^ Sorry, click the spoiler, my reply is inside and bolded!

[rmpeacoc]

1. clearly we have different logic. I need multiple reasons to want to vote someone and lynch them

2. Again, trying to get him to talk... in case you didn't notice he hasn't outed reasoning for anyone he has voted. I'm looking for some real arguments... so yeah, three ?'s. Doesn't make me scummy, just means I wanted an answer.

3. I don't feel like I would have wanted to change my vote. Again, you and I clearly play this game differently. I don't throw my vote on whoever is being scummy in the moment. there is time. I don't need to vote someone for one scummy action.

4. I did agree with the point pranay made, I even commented on it, but I didn't feel like it warranted a vote. Haven't I already said that?

5. Okay then I mispoke (Call it scummy if you want but clearly I'm trying to refute all of your arguments and if that's the only mistake I made I'm fine with it... point is still proven... im not just going to vote someone for one scummy thing...) there is one other case when I will vote and it is just that... when i'm trying to get someone to talk. But as far as actually going for a lynch goes, if I see a bw on the person I'm on I will remove my vote because I didnt actually want the lynch. Regardless just because I think someone says something scummy I'm not going to put my vote on them. They have to do very scummy things more than once for me to want them lynched. You get the point.

6. Again, there are others that I asked to participate and scumhunt, not just him. Am I a pair with them as well?

Example:
178 and 178- Asked Psyche to scumhunt

P-edit after looking maybe there aren't as many in this game as I thought. I'm clearly getting other games mixed up with this one.

Regardless I pointed out people who weren't helping town more than once.

I must also be Psych's partner than, no?

[rmpeacoc]

Spoiler:

Post 178 - your reaction to Psyche reads to me like you know he is town but want to throw mud on him by calling him terrible. You also tell him that he should "elaborate" "ask questions" or "scum hunt" and you put them in quotation marks to make it seem like you aren't being accusatory. I feel like you should have asked him point blank to elaborate if that is what you wanted from him. I feel like you should have told him to scum hunt in the similar way you told Nunez (which is different than the way you told psyche)

I put them in quotations because he put something in quotations in the post before. I was poking fun at him. He says: 'you should, like, "explain this"' before I do the quote thing. Regardless I was not liking the way he didn't explain his vote. Again. As always. I don't like it when people have no basis for their votes. Thats it. That's all there is to say. Its how I always am and how I always will be.

post 181 - I don't know why you kept your vote on baboon/nero when you clearly said earlier it was to see if he would post something. He never did, he replaced out for inactivity. Nero comes in and votes and that's enough for you to keep your vote on him cause in your mind he should have provided a reason. What I want to know though is why were you willing to excuse Turqoise's inactivity but never willing to accept baboons? Also why did nero not providing a reason warrant you to keep your vote on him and not unvote and ask him for his reasons. Why would you keep asking me for my reasons but weren't willing to do the same for nero day 1

Turquoise voted in RVS. baboon came in wrote some bullshit and didnt participate. Nero replaced baboon. I felt that nero replacing baboon and both nero and baboon being scummy did warrant my vote.

186/188 - this is more of the thinking nunez is scummy but not actually willing to vote him and certainly there is no examples of you even trying to question him. This is classic n00b distancing. Nero/rmp very likely scum together.

First I was scum with nunez, now I'm scummy with nero? Clearly I tried multiple times to get nunez to explain his vote and thoughts and to out reasoning and scumhunt. Just because it wasn't in question format every time I said it doesn't mean I wasn't trying to get him to explain. Sorry but maybe it's just me. Every time someone mentions my name I notice and if it is calling me scum I will definitely respond.

post 190 - "it's scummy if people don't give a reason for their vote" This is just wrong and the fact that you are even making a statement considering your weak ass reasonings for your votes is very scummy.

Can you quote me directly next time please "At this point in the game I find it to be scummy not to support your vote, even if it is for a reaction test."

I do still feel this way. I always will. i want support. I'm looking for substance. I realize some people don't play that way, but if you do, I'm going to ask you to support your vote. If you refuse I will find it scummy. Whether it makes you scum is a different story. Again as I said I need multiple reasons to vote someone typically. Before you bring up Nero, I had multiple reasons. 1. Baboon was scummy. 2. Nero didn't support his vote. 3. Nero didn't participate in the game.

post 240 - I find it weird that despite his growing wagon, you don't want to have any part in voting gif and instead you keep your vote on nero who had also gone inactive. Parking votes on people who aren't around to answer your questions is a good way for scum to appear like they are trying because they can easily pass the blame. You mention finding GIR and Nunez yet you don't even try to pressure those guys.

I do mention finding them scummy, but I wasn't going to BW GIF because again, I didn't see enough of a reason to vote him, as I said in post 181

303 - your vote for nero wasn't very good so the fact you go right back to it is just lazy. You don't even attempt to question anyone. Going back to what you said earlier about voting, this vote seems weird.

I wanted Nero to explain. I also didn't want GIF hammered so quickly. In case you didn't notice it happened while I was not online. He was at L-3 last I knew before he was hammered. Also as I said in 240 I found both Nero and Nunez scummier than I found GIF. Hence why I didn't jump the bw. Regardless I wanted more out of Nero and I didn't think the day was ending that fast... so using this against me is so silly.

damn, you are fucking scummier than I had originally thought.

Vote: rmp

one of rmp/nunez should be today's lynches.

P-edit: Its fine that you don't want to respond to what I say, but just know that I have a right to defend myself. Again, your FOS on me is completely off base, and if you lead town to another lynch of someone who is town I'm pretty sure they're going to be rather unhappy.

Also I find it funny that you are so sure you won't change your mind. In my experience only scum think they actually know the scum. You seem so confident... Unfortunately I think you might just be mistaken town, which is very sad for us.

[rmpeacoc]

curious to see what everyone thinks of this... especially this statement:

"one of rmp/nunez should be today's lynches."

[rmpeacoc]

can't we all just get along?

[rmpeacoc]

Here's my question: Is this typical Nunez?

[rmpeacoc]

I wish he would. Aren't we supposed to be playing the game to try to win? I just don't get people who don't put in any effort.

[rmpeacoc]

Different or not I don't feel like this is playing to his win condition. Maybe its just me... I guess I just want to here more from Nunez and Nero, as I've been saying the entire game... and clearly it isn't helping my case.

Doesn't change how I feel.

[rmpeacoc]

quite the active bunch we have...

[rmpeacoc]

so all in all this game isn't active because town doesn't want to do anything and scum doesn't need to post right now if you're town you should start posting more tia

^^ I agree and honestly if you aren't willing to participate you should maybe just replace out. As much as I hate to say that I want reads on more people.

[rmpeacoc]

Well... apparently this game is SHIT.

ArcAngel, fair enough. I just wanted more information.

Well I really hope some people get replaced or start participating.

@Phenenas- Thanks for being on top of it!

[rmpeacoc]

O I didn't mean this game was actually shit btw I was enjoying it I just meant with activity and stuff

[rmpeacoc]

Yes, Arc, what is your read on me.

In fact everyone please say what you think of me so that Demon and Jake can relax for a while.

[rmpeacoc]

Are you going to participate?

[rmpeacoc]

Agreed.

That Nero.

See this is why I think he's scum. Baboon was similarly scummy...

and you are all just letting him get away with acting like this.

[rmpeacoc]

.....................................

I hate people who play this way ^^

[rmpeacoc]

where is everyone?

[rmpeacoc]

great.

Welcome Monty! Happy Scumhunting!

[rmpeacoc]

ugh. Seriously. People don't get better with their grammar because they are scum. I hate that tell. It's bullshit.

You'd have been better jumping to vote me to bw Jake.

You're probably scum.

Also I think Jake is one of the people being replaced?

[rmpeacoc]

who, me?

good, because i'm already voting you, and without any support that is considered OMGUS.

[rmpeacoc]

RULES:

5)

This is a game. Do not personally attack, threaten, or be excessively rude to other players. Likewise, if another player is insulting or criticizing you, take it maturely as long as it's in the spirit of the game.

[rmpeacoc]

Please do.

However I was really just trying to push on Nero to get him to participate, since he had already responded to something that I said.

[rmpeacoc]

Dead Game is right. I've had a busy weekend and expected to come back and have something to say. All I have to say is you all are no fun. I'm really disappointed no one is really involved in this game anymore.

[rmpeacoc]

Dead Game is right. I've had a busy weekend and expected to come back and have something to say. All I have to say is you all are no fun. I'm really disappointed no one is really involved in this game anymore.

[rmpeacoc]

I definitely agree with you all. Safety please come up with something better.

If you're scum, jake was a much better scum than you are... however he was completely ridiculous as well so...

UNVOTE:

Glad to see things finally moving along.

want to hear more from the replacements.

Not up for an ArcAngel lynch.

Can agree with Belisarius but again want to hear more first.

[rmpeacoc]

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

he was joking are you scum or dumb as hell

My, my, my, aren't we a grumpy gus. Care to try again without the blatant logical fallacy?

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

this reasoning is atrocious and i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion

I explained exactly how I came to that conclusion. Exactly how is noting the use of subterfuge "atrocious?"

1) No one stated intent to hammer.
2) He's not at L-1 anymore.

Preferred lynches today are Arc and Belisarius (done literally nothing to improve Nunez's previous slot). Do you have any other reads, Beli?

This game has been a lot of words, words, words but light on actual content. I have gut scum reads on Bomberman and banana guy, but can't consciously home in on what's causing that so I'm not going after either.

[rmpeacoc]

he was joking are you scum or dumb as hell

My, my, my, aren't we a grumpy gus. Care to try again without the blatant logical fallacy?

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

this reasoning is atrocious and i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion

I explained exactly how I came to that conclusion. Exactly how is noting the use of subterfuge "atrocious?"

1) No one stated intent to hammer.
2) He's not at L-1 anymore.

Preferred lynches today are Arc and Belisarius (done literally nothing to improve Nunez's previous slot). Do you have any other reads, Beli?

This game has been a lot of words, words, words but light on actual content. I have gut scum reads on Bomberman and banana guy, but can't consciously home in on what's causing that so I'm not going after either.

god damnit... ignore that ^^

[rmpeacoc]

he was joking are you scum or dumb as hell

My, my, my, aren't we a grumpy gus. Care to try again without the blatant logical fallacy?

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

this reasoning is atrocious and i'm not sure how you come to this conclusion

I explained exactly how I came to that conclusion. Exactly how is noting the use of subterfuge "atrocious?"

1) No one stated intent to hammer.
2) He's not at L-1 anymore.

Preferred lynches today are Arc and Belisarius (done literally nothing to improve Nunez's previous slot). Do you have any other reads, Beli?

This game has been a lot of words, words, words but light on actual content. I have gut scum reads on Bomberman and banana guy, but can't consciously home in on what's causing that so I'm not going after either.

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

[rmpeacoc]

I give up. I'm sorry guys clearly I don't know how to use the forums. Quick Reply is no good.

[rmpeacoc]

I explained exactly how I came to that conclusion.

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

You call

THAT

an explaining 'exactly' how you can to your conclustion.

I think you've got a lot more to read, my friend.

Did you even go back to day 1?

[rmpeacoc]

because there are much better lynches...

I'd be cool with Nero for not supporting himself and saying things like the above... and SafetyDance isn't much better than Nunez was... I'm just saying at least ArcAngel is participating... and she doesn't really come of a scummy to me. More of a null read right now.

[rmpeacoc]

my vote on her is actually serious believe it or not

What vote?

^^This guy is just such an idiot.

[rmpeacoc]

I've already mentioned why Nero is a waste of a lynch, of course if he doesn't do anything, then he's digging his own grave.

I'd much rather lynch Nunez/Beli

That or one of the Demon or Psyche slots.

Monty is Psyche

[rmpeacoc]

I took my vote off of Nero because more votes were going on him and we still have plenty of time to find real scum.

I find Nero more scummy than Arc. I don't want to lynch someone I find null because I'd rather lynch scum. Why is that hard to understand?

[rmpeacoc]

yeah, you're point?

I'm not entirely convinced that nero is scum. i want to be convinced before I place my vote again. I'm certainly not going to let my vote sit on someone I'm not sure is scum. I don't play like that.

[rmpeacoc]

I took my vote off of Nero because more votes were going on him and we still have plenty of time to find real scum.

I find Nero more scummy than Arc. I don't want to lynch someone I find null because I'd rather lynch scum. Why is that hard to understand?

Sorry I don't buy that at all - if you wanted to wait and draw the day out why bother voting in the first place? Also when his vote was at L-1 you were one of the last ones to unvote, so your words come off as disingenuous to me and I'd sooner believe you just unvoted because you knew the wagon was failing. Also you just likened a null read to being town so congrats (and arcangel is not null, certainly less so than nero).

If you think I'm so scummy why aren't you voting me.

would you feel better if I voted him again?

VOTE: Nero
UNVOTE: Nero

I unvoted because I wasn't sure about the lynch. I didn't unvote because the wagon was falling apart. I wasn't trying to get people to wagon me. I was hoping to get a reaction of some sort which clearly didn't work, and I'm one of the few that has been around trying to get the game to move somewhere. So have fun convincing everyone that I'm scum.

[rmpeacoc]

rmp

i feel was townie but now i get the feeling that either rmp is losing motivation or she's losing her reason to post because earlier i just had her pinned as noobtown who felt impulsed to be super active and helpful but now looking at some things im changing my mind about it mostly because this isn't consistent and i recall her getting really defensive towards someone even going to say 'why don't you try and find the scum instead of pushing me' or something along the lines of that

pacifist

is gut town based on how he's handled the game and

demon

is fucking weird too this needs more substantiation and tbh all my reads are part gut and part memory of certain things including tonal behavior

I'm not going to fight with you on this one. You talk about motivation. Again I'll say it. Who was the one actually TRYING to get the game moving along when it was dead?? If you're talking about activity I'm currently in 5 games 2 of which I didn't know were starting till they did and I just got involved in some community wide stuff and haven't been home as much. I also post a lot at work but I have been busy in meetings as our company is being purchased. Not a lot I can do about my activity, but yeah I can say i haven't been as motivated to participate in this game since no one else has been. I have, however, been scum hunting, unlike a lot of the people in this game.

Also you are suggesting that I have no reason to post because YOU had me pinned as noobtown (I'm female btw). The game doesn't revolve around you. Don't you think if this was an accurate idea that I'd be worried about what everyone else thinks of me as well?

I'm honestly not sure that Nero is scum and I don't think that lynching me will help you get a better read on him at all. He's not being helpful and for all you know he OMGUS'd or pulled my name out of a hat.

yeah, you're point?

I'm not entirely convinced that nero is scum. i want to be convinced before I place my vote again. I'm certainly not going to let my vote sit on someone I'm not sure is scum. I don't play like that.

It's your phrasing "find real scum" like you know Nero's not scum. How would you know that?

Also if you didn't have a scum read on him, why vote him in the first place?

Just getting that all you're doing is a bunch of postulating.

O really? I think you're looking at me because I was looking at you. What do I know.

Anyway I clearly already explained why my vote was on him in the first place:

However I was really just trying to push on Nero to get him to participate, since he had already responded to something that I said.

Postulating: Suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.

Yep, I'm doing that. I'm pointing out things that people are doing so that they will be discussed. I'm scumhunting. What's wrong with that again? I'm a pretty skeptical player, I don't like to let anyone sit in the shadows.

Again I think you're only on me because it's convenient.

Not to mention that I brought up your name first. That's not to say you don't have a right to talk about me, but if you're going to properly scumhunt I'd suggest you also discuss some of the things I said earlier in the game.

[rmpeacoc]

Meant to say earlier... feel free to do an ISO on me.

Please do, I'd like you to get a lot of reads on me so that you can see the truth.

[rmpeacoc]

omg this is so much fucking work to decipher what you are saying Give me a while.

[rmpeacoc]

I'm really irritated that you didn't go back and fix it in a new post.

Let me know if I missed anything.

I'm not going to fight with you on this one. You talk about motivation. Again I'll say it. Who was the one actually TRYING to get the game moving along when it was dead?? If you're talking about activity I'm currently in 5 games 2 of which I didn't know were starting till they did and I just got involved in some community wide stuff and haven't been home as much. I also post a lot at work but I have been busy in meetings as our company is being purchased. Not a lot I can do about my activity, but yeah I can say i haven't been as motivated to participate in this game since no one else has been. I have, however, been scum hunting, unlike a lot of the people in this game.

don't compare yourself to other people if you aren't going to give out who and why it even matters, all it does is make you seem like you're trying to look better by comparison.

Also you are suggesting that I have no reason to post because YOU had me pinned as noobtown (I'm female btw). The game doesn't revolve around you. Don't you think if this was an accurate idea that I'd be worried about what everyone else thinks of me as well?

what no how did you ever imply this i don't understand how you say "if this was an accurate idea i'd be worried about what everyone else thinks of me as well" because if you really didn't give a fuck then why are you wasting your time with me? why are you going out of way to appeal to me? you're being contradictory of your actions and what you're saying.

I'm honestly not sure that Nero is scum and I don't think that lynching me will help you get a better read on him at all. He's not being helpful and for all you know he OMGUS'd or pulled my name out of a hat.

lol no

your #425 on nero

Agreed.

That Nero.

See this is why I think he's scum. Baboon was similarly scummy...

you think he's scummy in #425 but let's go back to one of your earlier posts too

Nice. Stalking me while I reread.

I still like my vote on Nero as he was voting Fegelein and he seems scummy.

Also Feg was voting Nunez, who I also see as scum. Seems to fall into place nicely so...

vote: Nero

this is your first vote on Nero in #303 you might be thinking 'what the hell does this all mean?' let me quote something you said earlier

1. O please, you know I've been participating. My point here is that I've been participating and even scumhunting. All you need to do is look at the vote count and the days where the game was literally DEAD to see who I'm talking about.

2. I'm not 'going out of me way' to appeal to you. I'm responding to you, just as I have been responding to everyone who asks me a question. Bomberman- You're not special. Stop acting like you are.

3. WHY I THINK he is scum. It was the only read I was getting at the time. there wasn't much to look at. Again, as people start to participate, you get more reads. So yeah I have a right to change my mind on who I'd like to lynch. I never said i was against a Nero lynch I just said I wasn't sure. I'm entitled to change my mind. I'll never be sure about a vote. I'm not against a Nero lynch point I just think that lynching me to get a read on him his pointless. Better to just lynch him and see if I'm right, which I'm not sure I am.

My point is that I'm not against a nero lynch but I am against an arc lynch.

With my vote reasoning, yeah sometimes you gotta call people scummy to get a reaction. I wasn't getting a reaction and that is PART of why I unvoted him. Also because I'm not sure.

I'm not voting him because I didn't want a bw on him. I realize you unvoted first but he was still left at L-2 which I don't like when I'm not around to see things unfold.

Arc put him at L-1
Bomberman Unvoted
I unvoted

at the top of page 23 Goodbar says I was one of the last to unvote him. I was 2nd to unvote him. That was a misrep. You can all look back to posts 479-521 for that, all of which I was gone for and thus couldn't unvote otherwise I would have before bomberman. I don't like to see people get to L-1 the way that nero did.

Point is I never said i was sure... he wasn't helping town and I see some town in most of the other people in the game, or at least I did before activity picked up again.

Anything else there, bomberman?

[rmpeacoc]

1. Nero WAS my top scumread until things became active again. Read what I wrote.

2. I didn't vote baboon for lurking per se. I voted him because he came in and posted something complete irrelevant and then lurked. I voted nero because he replaced baboon and again didn't really participate and lurked. My opinion was further justified when he continued to make pointless remarks. It was the only thing I had to go on.

[rmpeacoc]

i received poke from mod but seriously don't blame, my last post which was 48 hours ago is still in last 10 posts
so.... anyways

VOTE: Nero

Thats L-1

Unvote, Vote: ArcAngel

wait shit i'm stilil voting nero lol

unvote

I definitely agree with you all. Safety please come up with something better.

If you're scum, jake was a much better scum than you are... however he was completely ridiculous as well so...

UNVOTE:

Glad to see things finally moving along.

want to hear more from the replacements.

Not up for an ArcAngel lynch.

Can agree with Belisarius but again want to hear more first.

[rmpeacoc]

Meant to quote that and then say this. Regardless: First of all I didn't realize Demon was voting nero and had unvoted, so you're right about me being third. I thought he was still at L-2 when I unvoted.

Not like its the first mistake I've made in a game, however I had still only just gotten online that day, so in a quick read I saw arc angel put nero at L-1 and bomberman unvote so I thought Nero was at L-2.

Unfortunately I think you are town who misunderstands.

[rmpeacoc]

also it wasn't 2 whole pages post 479-521 and less than 12 hours. To be exact it was 10:38pm-8:55am my time, perfect amount of time for me to get some sleep and then get up, get ready, and get to work (I work at 8:30am) and get settled in. I never realized that Demon's vote was on Nero. It's my bad.

I hope you can see this clear misunderstanding.

[rmpeacoc]

I explained exactly how I came to that conclusion.

VOTE: Demon

A bit of gut, a bit of Monty is right and everyone slamming on him for being right should feel bad.

Disingenuity

is

a scumtell because scum are always acting. They have to pretend to know less than they actually do. What motivation does town have to pretend to be fighting a language barrier? For scum, it's a way to wave away a failure to notice a clue.

You call

THAT

an explaining 'exactly' how you can to your conclustion.

I think you've got a lot more to read, my friend.

Did you even go back to day 1?

because there are much better lynches...

I'd be cool with Nero for not supporting himself and saying things like the above... and SafetyDance isn't much better than Nunez was... I'm just saying at least ArcAngel is participating... and she doesn't really come of a scummy to me. More of a null read right now.

[rmpeacoc]

effing submit button. Sorry for all of the posts guys, I really am. This probably could have been 2 posts max.

I am looking at both Belisarius and SafetyDance. You and bomberman are also not giving me a chance to do anything but defend myself right now.

You also could have noticed my earlier mistake, but instead you insisted on attacking me. Can you slow down and read my responses to you next time please?

Arc put him at L-1
Bomberman Unvoted
I unvoted

at the top of page 23 Goodbar says I was one of the last to unvote him. I was 2nd to unvote him. That was a misrep. You can all look back to posts 479-521 for that, all of which I was gone for and thus couldn't unvote otherwise I would have before bomberman. I don't like to see people get to L-1 the way that nero did.

I never mentioned Demon there. Clearly I missed it.

[rmpeacoc]

You're right. I was looking at it so closely I forgot to check the date.

Anyway. I'm not usually gone that long, you're right. Thinking that is a scumtell is silly.

I had a long busy weekend (and thought the game was still day) and then monday I had a long day at work and passed out for like 13 hours over Monday night.

[rmpeacoc]

I'm not telling you to unvote me, but please go back and show me where else you think I have been scummy?

[rmpeacoc]

also you say that you feel like you were attacking me... I honestly thought you were misrepping me, so yeah I was irritated. Lynch me for it? not so much.

[rmpeacoc]

I was talking to Goodbar. He was making it look like I was tunneling, when in fact I have gone out of my way to look at others.

again I thought that Goodbar was misrepping, so if I looked like I was attacking him, its because I found it to be a blatant lie. Looking at the fact that I missed Demon's vote, I'm less concerned. I think Goodbar is town who is looking at the wrong person.

I'm not looking at you so much after that last wall you wrote. I appreciate that you have supported your reads, actually. you clearly went back and looked. i think this is a town move.

582 was directed at you, however.

[rmpeacoc]

please do iso me.

Look, I've consistently missed things throughout the game. I'm sorry that I'm in 5 games and I have a busy life and so I forget shit easily. But you can go back and look. At least I've been consistent in my mistakes. Doesn't make me scummy.

[rmpeacoc]

the faults haven't been in my play, they been in little things like typos and reading the dates on things, as well as forgetting who someone was voting.

Scummy faults in my opinion are things like completely changing your reads and contradicting yourself, something I haven't done.

All of my mistakes have been silly and little, as well as easy to do for someone who is new to forum mafia.

[rmpeacoc]

Goodbar please do an ISO on me like you said you wanted to

[rmpeacoc]

What is IIOA?

And I'm sorry that you feel that way.

I'm honestly one of the few keeping this game alive. Lynching me will only hurt town.

[rmpeacoc]

IIOA definition, straight from the wiki -The general form of this tell is "players who speculate about the setup more than they ask for other players' reasoning and/or accuse other players of being scum are probably group scum".-

Show me where I'm speculating about the setup, I'll show you where I've asked for reasoning/accused other players.

Spoiler:

Regardless, why don't you, like "elaborate" or, like "ask questions", "scum hunt".

Also I'd like to see your support on why you'll bet im scum.

I'd also like to see your support for Pacifist being scum. Not that I think he's town, I just don't think he has warranted a vote, yet.

Also (I meant to say this before) At this point in the game I find it to be scummy not to support your vote, even if it is for a reaction test.

My reason for this is that mafia like to stall and have time to think up a reason why someone is scum.

Because:

H'elo!

vote Fegelein

Nero, however, replaces into a game and makes ONE post with a vote. Fegelein out's some actual reads and is participating and most have backed off of his wagon, but here is Nero, coming in to jump on him for no reason.

Then he also dies. (Based on the fact that Nero came in and voted without giving a reason, I think he might just be stupid enough to kill his own 'scumtell'.

Nunez seems like a fucking idiot so I'm not sure he's worth my vote yet. I'm not going to get much out of him even if I do vote. I'd like to scumhunt. This does not mean I want to lynch Nero today. I'm actually not even sure who to lynch, but i want Nero back and I want an explanation for why the fuck he voted Fegelein.

THAT BEING SAID, Petapan was also calling both Fegelein and GIF out for stupid shit and called the blitz on GIF. However, I think that if he felt like he could show someone to be town, such as fegelein, he wouln't kill him.

That's why I voted Nero... hope that makes sense.

Jake: Why no support?

ArcAngel... what are your reasons for thinking Goodbar is suspicious?

And Jake as I've asked multiple times I would like your reasoning for why you put me into a scumteam with Peta and Nunez...

You're right, as of LATE I haven't called out scum. Why? Becuse I was being attacked. I have, however, speculated about some of the scummy actions of certain players (SafetyDance, for one). I'm also waiting for some people to participate so that I can get better reads (They're all fucked up now that there are replacements and such, as I want to give you all a chance). I'm not ready for day to end yet.

[rmpeacoc]

Beetlejuice is when you pop up because someone said your name.

except that Monty was online yesterday so it's not a beetlejuice...

[rmpeacoc]

Hey nice misrep.

Setup spec is one example. When I was reading through the thread I noticed that you spent a lot of time pointing out what had happened rather than why.

That's not a misrep, it's what the definition calls a general form. Someone needs a vocabulary lesson.

Anyway I'd like an example as I'm still not sure what you mean. I'm not here to give reasons for what other players have done. I am here however to point them out and talk about why I think that they are scummy.

[rmpeacoc]

Peta and Bellasarius, you guys get more town by the minute >> btw I called them both town before, so don't try to call me out by saying that. Going against the crowd like they have is important. Bellasarius did a good job a few pages back of explaining some reads, and peta--while not as active as most-- at least is doing some real scumhunting... we shall wait for his post.

[rmpeacoc]

what is FtI?

Also I'm more or less showing my appreciation for the support im getting as town here... since some people are pointing out bullshit reasons to try and pin me as scum.

As for where I townread you, belisarius, this was it:

I'm not looking at you so much after that last wall you wrote. I appreciate that you have supported your reads, actually. you clearly went back and looked. i think this is a town move.

[rmpeacoc]

but i think i have a better vote, lemme write a case

^^ This is what im referring to... are you still writing it?

[rmpeacoc]

^^ That.

Thanks for the info, it helps.

Also Belisarius I wasn't trying to flatter you. I think it is very town to go against something that was becoming a wagon and that many other players are considering... it means you have your own way of thinking, and since I am in fact town, it helps for me to see that you are not likely to be scum, since you could have easily just agreed with the scum read on me. Same goes for Peta.

[rmpeacoc]

Which would imply that either you are communicating with some scum buddies based on the number of "h"'s in your post, or I am utterly dense as to why you made that post. As of right now, I am leaning toward the latter. However, if you could clarify the lines that you have made so that the rest of us unenlightened ones could follow, I would sincerely appreciate it.

i didn't like the post she made, it seems incredibly naive to be declaring us both town because we defended her and it has potentially insane levels of buddying

though i have to ask myself if scum would be so blatant

Also Belisarius I wasn't trying to flatter you. I think it is very town to go against something that was becoming a wagon and that many other players are considering... it means you have your own way of thinking, and since I am in fact town, it helps for me to see that you are not likely to be scum, since you could have easily just agreed with the scum read on me. Same goes for Peta.

Just in case you missed it.

[rmpeacoc]

^^ I wasn't talking to you, I was responding to Peta's last post.

[rmpeacoc]

*kicks game*

wake up people

[rmpeacoc]

What do I want? I want to hear from some people who haven't been around over the last 48 hours... such as DEMON, who claimed that he was going to reread... told us to 'expect it', then posted nothing.

Or Monty's response to what Peta said, as I agree that his post, while silly, made it pretty clear what he was thinking...

or ArcAngel, Nero, Safety Dance, all of whom haven't been around

@Mod... prods please?

[rmpeacoc]

VOTE: Demon

I forgot I wasn't voting in this game.

This puts him at L-1 so DO NOT HAMMER.

I'm agreeing with Arc and Peta here, and I also don't like that he said he was gonna read but never did. I think he just has no real arguments and is thus trying to lurk

And looking back there's not a lot of substance to his posts...
And he replaced Pranay... or 'fake pranay'... who also didn't do much.

Again he is at L-1, don't hammer!

[rmpeacoc]

o look Demon is conveniently online and posting in another game...

[rmpeacoc]

If you say rempeacoc is scum for a different i would perhaps believe you becuz i don't myself not sure that he is town or not especially after the way he reads me as town. Infact i see him as more scum than Goodbar.. but your defending on a week reason. Are you sure you're town and didn't find anything to defend except this small thing???

I never town read you. I didn't want you lynched because I found you to be more null, not enough to call you scum, I didn't like everyone else's reasoning.

rmpeacoc has this sort of recurring theme where it seems like she tries to quasi confirm herself as town and ridicules any notion against it. I don't know what to think of this really - I want to put her in a null leaning scum pile; I thought the first demonstration was pretty scummy (this was concerning her Jake exchange), and she does it again in 555. Don't like her 637.

What's the 'first demonstration'... not sure what you're talking about

555- obvious sarcasm with the vote unvote. As I said I wasn't ready to have him lynched and thought he was at L-2 still, which is why I unvoted him in the first place.

637- Someone was finally disagreeing with could have easily become a bw on me. I see that as town... because if they were scum they could have easily voted me. Sorry if you don't like it but don't you think its a bit 'too obvious' to be scummy? (inb4 you say that it is too obvious and i'm wifoming it)

o look Demon is conveniently online and posting in another game...

Oh, yes, how convenient of me to do so; that is irrefutably an action only the mafia commit.

Your repetition of the whole "Don't hammer, he's at L-1!!" thing seems contrived.

Also yes I do think its convenient that you showed up right after I put you at L-1.

Also no I don't want anyone to hammer you, and I wanted to make sure they saw it. I wanted to note that I KNOW I put you at L-1, and make it clear that if someone wanted to hammer they should be waiting for others.

[rmpeacoc]

why would I need to 'frame' you when you were already at L-2? There were clearly enough votes on you.

Also please quote the post or give me the post number of exactly what you were talking about. If i recall my argument with Jake was rather irritating. and I'd rather know what you're referring to rather than sit and argue about something non-specific.

Regardless...

Jake's arguments were completely baseless. I also never called him scum because of his arguments.

Most of his votes were unsupported and he ignored multiple times when I asked him for reasoning.

[rmpeacoc]

omg deadline did pass. WTG idiot lurkers...

lynch demon tomorrow if i die plskthx

[rmpeacoc]

O goodness. THANK YOUUUUU

I still want Demon. I think it's suspicious that this is such a hard lynch to achieve...

[rmpeacoc]

@mod thanks.

[rmpeacoc]

You realize that was a hammer, right?

just checking...

[rmpeacoc]

Welcome Rach!

@mod can you switch the tile back to day please

FOS Goodbar

[rmpeacoc]

um what?

Jacob we have to lynch correctly today. We're not lynching unless we're sure someone is scum. So support it or unvote please.

[rmpeacoc]

Apparently i can't read, nor was I thinking. I was thinking 5 alive, not 9 alive.

VOTE: nero

[rmpeacoc]

Seriously. So that we can do some real scum hunting without Nero in the game.

[rmpeacoc]

fuck this game

vote: Psycheslot

vote: RMP

vote: Arc

Vote: Nero

btw who is Psycheslot?

Anyway Monty I think we're all in our right mind here. It's really hard to scumhunt when you have someone like Nero in the game spouting all of his BS. we need to know if he is scum or not, imo.

[rmpeacoc]

or you can tell you partners to kill me tonight.

If you're not scum you're certainly not pro-town.

[rmpeacoc]

what happens if he's trolling the game. I've never heard of tailored cop but I learned about it in the wiki.

Anyway if he's really town are there violations for game throwing and stuff?

[rmpeacoc]

sigh. Believing him. Nothing I can do about it. I'm sure it'll be him today me tomorrow or vice-versa anyway.

I'm just afraid he'll flip town too, and then town will auto-lose.

[rmpeacoc]

Also if he wanted to claim then why not out both reports?

[rmpeacoc]

yes, obvious I'm saying I'm flipping town.

My fear is that Nero would troll.

and no there is not a hammer on me... looks like 2 votes on me 2 votes on nero.

Someone explain to me exactly how tailored cop works? I thought I understood it but now I'm unsure.

[rmpeacoc]

no, I hadn't figured that out, clearly.

unfortunately I'm pretty sure he's just trolling the game.

UNVOTE: nero

lets talk about bomberman. I really wish you would scumhunt rather than just voting without a real reason to, especially sheeping nero.

[rmpeacoc]

ah you're right. I though Bomberman had voted and removed but he didn't...

[rmpeacoc]

Wow I really thought he was trolling.

I also expected to die... but I suppose you will all think now that nero and I were bussing.

I am suspicious of the way that bomberman changed his vote.

[rmpeacoc]

Wherefore?

▼

I don't particularly think it was a bus.

I think a bus is the only way they would have kept me alive. Since Nero died I think I'm pretty obvious town, so I thought I would die.

Let's talk about it, rmpeacoc. What do you have?

What do I have? On Bomberman? I said I'm suspicious of the way he changed his vote so easily, as though he was just taking whatever nero said. Nero was clearly the better lynch, because if he had flipped town you could have lynched me, but on the chance that he flipped scum, which he did, most people would probably read me as town.

[rmpeacoc]

wow Bomberman go fly a fucking kite.

I was talking about him being the better lynch on d3 than me. Why? Because it might give you some actual information. Lynching me would have left you all wondering if nero was trolling or not.

Also I didn't get the chance to unvote d3... i unvoted after the hammer.

The reason I unvoted was that I was worried he was in fact just trolling.

I don't know why you're freaking out right now.

I was merely stating that I'd prefer a different lynch. As far as 'clearly the better lynch' I mean if it was between nero and myself it would be obvious to lynch him. I wasn't including anyone else in that. Nero was the better lynch than me. The end.

VOTE: Bomberman

[rmpeacoc]

need i mention rmp is trying to play it off like she was supposed to die lmfao why would scum kill rmp here

If I was scum, I'd kill me because even trolling nero wouldn't be that dumb.

And also because I called out his replacement before he even came into the game.

Why would I do that on d1 if I was his partner?

[rmpeacoc]

Nero was clearly the better lynch

For the record I'm talking about this post, not 580.

I'm not going to sit her and argue. If you want to lose the game just do it. I don't see where you could believe bomberman when he can't even put more than one thought into a post. Spamming about me is so scummy imo. But you've both been against me for how long.

Thinking Nero and I were bussing each other is seriously idiotic play.

[rmpeacoc]

Also if I was scum I'd be worried about being 'consistent'. Im not. My inconsistencies are at worst a null tell.

[rmpeacoc]

There is officially some meta for me. Please go read through day 1 of Micro 164.

[rmpeacoc]

9) If you die, you are allowed to make one "Bah" post that has no game-altering content in it, but after that, no talking until the game ends.

[rmpeacoc]

Want more meta on me? Check out Micro 155 which just ended. Please go look at see how I act as town.

[rmpeacoc]

now just comes the fun part figuring out who Nero's scum budz are... with no real clues from him uggh

It would not surprise me that he played it that way on purpose to keep us off track...

Apparently he behaves like this as town as well. :/

[rmpeacoc]

More meta on me in Newbie 1350... Were I was town and won. Please do take a look at that one, as d1 people thought I was scum.

[rmpeacoc]

your pancreas of suspicion. Nice.

Please Support your read, then.

As I said, please go meta me since it seems to be what MS people are all about. I personally prefer not to meta cause it will mess with my head and cause confusion, but I just don't see anyone supporting their scumread on me ever since Belisarius and ArcAngel came in and disagreed with Goodbar and Bomberman.

[rmpeacoc]

Rach I was pushing meta because of the way that they were calling my scum for my reactions. I didn't have any completed games when they first started talking about me, I wanted to give them a chance to see how I behave as town.

[rmpeacoc]

I can agree with you Monty. I feel like Meta just blocks my own view of someone. I prefer to play IN THE GAME, however I do in this case think it could help to see my reactions in other games... because I play hard and yeah, I react. I just don't want us to lose this game because you guys think i'm scum.

[rmpeacoc]

you are saying there's no way im town? really? really? bomberman? If I was such obvious scum people would be voting me.

Also I prefer to let people make up their own minds. Tunneling and pushing people to lynch someone isn't very townie imo.

[rmpeacoc]

Im sorry, I'm here but I really have nothing to see. I can see where Goodbar is coming from now that he makes the case that yes scum probably would have bussed. I'm willing to UNVOTE: .

[rmpeacoc]

nothing to say* mostly because there isn't much to SEE since the last time I was online, either

[rmpeacoc]

Yeah really. i didn't see it from that perspective.

Also you tell people to give you a reason or to follow you. They already did. They don't believe that Nero was bussing me. And come on go back to day 1. I would have had to be bussing baboon on the top of page 4, which was a full 8 pages before the end of the day. But think what you want. I'm clearly not changing your mind.

If you are town you really need to relax a little bit. We have 5 days to make a decision and you are pushing for a lynch when town clearly doesn't agree with you.

[rmpeacoc]

2 of those days are on a weekend, so it's really not that much time.

How is Bomberman's concern about the deadline alignment-indicative?

Its not, I just don't like it. I took my vote off. If I thought he was certain scum I'd put my vote back up. Now I think he's probably just idiot tunneling town and we need to put our focus elsewhere. Goodbar made a good point about bomberman's NOT jumping on the nero BW. That's why I unvoted. I j

Also it doesn't matter if 2 of the days are weekend days or not, it matters that we still have time... weekend is no excuse. If you aren't going to be around on the weekend you should be V/LA.

Regardless there is no reason to push on a quick lynch today, we have time and we should let the other townies give their own reads.

[rmpeacoc]

Belisarius - ...why?

ArcAngel - why are you ignoring the fact that you've, once again, voted me for faulty reasons

And what Bomberman is trying to imply (probably cuz this is how I feel...) is that this game is crawling at a snail's pace sadly and it'd be very helpful for town to see a flip.

1. Please let bomberman speak for himself.
2. I get that it would be helpful for town to see a flip but saying things like 'im fucking begging you just vote rmp please god' don't help his case.
3. So why not try to get someone to vote?

At the moment, Goodbar, it seems like you just hoped the bw and don't have an opinion anymore.

I no likey, but it's not enough to vote you yet. We still have 48 hours... I want to see some other people argue their cases... more thoroughly.

[rmpeacoc]

Welp I already claimed so please do lynch me and get me out of this shit hole of a game.

Also Please lynch scum-Monty tomorrow.

'I don't like either of these wagons but I'll put rmp at L-1 just to get a lynch.'

imo it's monty and one of Goodbar, Bomberman, or Rach.

Arc and Beli seem town to me. Remember that.

clearly the only person that would hammer me is Rach... curious to see if she will.

[rmpeacoc]

Oh also apparently I didn't claim, thought I had, my faulty. I'm VT

VOTE: montywhittaker

[rmpeacoc]

It's okay Arc he said that my fos on him was shit as well... yet he doesn't really have a solid argument on me other than what bomberman already said.

[rmpeacoc]

Lets talk about what you've had to say about me...

Spoiler:

rmpeacoc I was townreading in the beginning and I don't remember specifically why besides looked like they were legit scumhunting so yea I'm also not reading back.

rmpeacoc = bomberman > psyche > petapan > Pacifist all leaning town, nero and nbt are null, Demon = archangel = Nunez lean scum. As of the end of day 1, so we'll see what happens today. Don't feel like (re?)explaining any of those reads now

hmm a post like this makes me feel insecure about my former town read I'll have to check back into this one and read Jake's long wall of text

^^because of my post about Nero's OMGUS

(never checks back)

Oh and at this point Goodbar is also against the Nero lynch.

um if you're not ok with this why aren't you saying anything against it? would you like to enlighten?

on my not wanting an arcangel lynch, when at this point i honestly wanted to lynch someone who was more scummy and didn't feel like an arcangel lynch was a good idea

because there are much better lynches...

I'd be cool with Nero for not supporting himself and saying things like the above... and SafetyDance isn't much better than Nunez was... I'm just saying at least ArcAngel is participating... and she doesn't really come of a scummy to me. More of a null read right now.

Ok so why did you take your vote off Nero? And if you don't want to lynch him in particular then what's the problem with someone leaning null right now? That is not exactly a good thing for a poster with content.

yeah, you're point?

I'm not entirely convinced that nero is scum. i want to be convinced before I place my vote again. I'm certainly not going to let my vote sit on someone I'm not sure is scum. I don't play like that.

actually i have given reasons and your main participation in this game has been asking other people why they fos you. in the end your vote is actually the one that comes off as remarkably opportunist to me since it comes at a time where a couple people are leaning towards him and he was agreeable to lynch you.

sorry but there is literally nothing redeemable to me about arcangel, null is even a mediocre read to me

I took my vote off of Nero because more votes were going on him and we still have plenty of time to find real scum.

I find Nero more scummy than Arc. I don't want to lynch someone I find null because I'd rather lynch scum. Why is that hard to understand?

Sorry I don't buy that at all - if you wanted to wait and draw the day out why bother voting in the first place? Also when his vote was at L-1 you were one of the last ones to unvote, so your words come off as disingenuous to me and I'd sooner believe you just unvoted because you knew the wagon was failing. Also you just likened a null read to being town so congrats (and arcangel is not null, certainly less so than nero).

@rmpeacoc considering you've had some contradictions/weak points today I could probably add to the case that's already been made against you and I'd have no issue lynching you even if you are one of the more active players, but I still have arc as a preference and I still haven't addressed my earlier townread on you so I'm more doubtful about it.

rmpeacoc - you were actually the third person to unvote out of a grand total of 5. this was about 2 full pages after Nero reached L-1. the more i read your posts the more i doubt you're being genuine - add to that list the fact i still can't fathom why you'd be so opposed to an angel lynch to the extent where it looks contrived, the fact that your only substantial read in the game is still nero who you're not sure if you want to lynch (also a shitty one considering he's probably the most null person in the game), and the fact you act like you have immunity because you've participated more than others seems to me like a bullshit way to keep votes off you (like a guilt trip of sorts). also bomberman explains well how I felt about rmpeacoc's stuff with Nero. didn't think i'd do this but i'm going to change my vote and potentially look into this more (not sure if there's a point because confirmation bias is a bitch but then i'd have a little more to say about my vote i guess)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rmpeacoc

A couple of reasons I'm unvoting Arc for rmpeacoc are A) I don't think they're on the same team. I can't see Arc (kind of) buddying rmpeacoc the way she did as a partner nor can i see rmpeacoc null-reading her partner and firmly stating she opposes the lynch as well B) Some people have made me doubt Demon a bit recently and I don't see Arc/Demon together either. I still doubt some things about Arc so idk we'll see how things play out. At the end of typing this I practically regret my switch and idk.

also it wasn't 2 whole pages post 479-521 and less than 12 hours. To be exact it was 10:38pm-8:55am my time, perfect amount of time for me to get some sleep and then get up, get ready, and get to work (I work at 8:30am) and get settled in. I never realized that Demon's vote was on Nero. It's my bad.

I hope you can see this clear misunderstanding.

Uh it was 10pm on the 21st with the first unvote and 8:55am on the 23rd, so 36 hours... Also constitutes what is likely your biggest gap in posting in this game. I can't say it's majorly influential in my fos either way. As for the foses you pointed out, I did notice however one quote isn't really a fos and the other is a fairly trivial read the way I saw it. I can believe you didn't see Demon unvote so w/e, it felt like you were attacking me on it though.

You're right. I was looking at it so closely I forgot to check the date.

Anyway. I'm not usually gone that long, you're right. Thinking that is a scumtell is silly.

I had a long busy weekend (and thought the game was still day) and then monday I had a long day at work and passed out for like 13 hours over Monday night.

the fact that you were gone isn't so much a scumtell (slightly convenient it was during L-1 and lasted till your first perceived unvote from Nero) as the fact that you've now multiple times changed your story about things. in this case, you forgot about 24 hours and acted as if you clearly recalled everything (hell you went back and checked even). now you have a whole new story.

i might iso you later though based on memory there was in fact other posts/things i didn't like about you

^^ I didn't change my story here. I elaborated. I was literally sleeping when I wasn't at work that day. Also there are other things you don't like about me but you don't state them again. You don't HELP town by showing how someone is scum, you just vote them.

you know what fuck it i might as well try to push on my scumtell that is less useful and talkative but i'll still iso rmpeacoc hopefully this weekend at the latest...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ArcAngel9

Goodbar please do an ISO on me like you said you wanted to

I might not do this very soon tbh. I want to just give up on it for day 2 and I'm gonna be kind of burdened but I'll see.

^^ You never did ISO me. Please do. You need some clarity.

I told myself I wasn't going to sheep again today, especially someone I have pseudo-defended often in this game, but I'm really tempted to do it for the sake of "knowledge". I have nothing else to say for now except that rmpeacoc's fos is full of shit. You spent all of day two townreading me even when I was fosing you and now you're gonna come out today and completely change that over what exactly?

I don't particularly think it was a bus.

The reason I didn't think it looked like a bus because I suppose I thought the whole "is he trolling" reaction seemed genuine, but considering your case and why I fosed her to begin with, I think you've given me a clearer and more accurate picture and a reason to once again pursue my top scumread I've had in the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rmpeacoc

And for the records calling out baboon on a joke post is not an inhibiting "bus" and post 580 is day 2, not day 3. OMGUSing Bomberman for "freaking out" is terrible and come to think of it this is not your first really bad OMGUS that I'm pretty sure you've bashed someone/people for before. Bomberman is right, you're awfully inconsistent.

The site went down I might finish that but I might not... Regardless I don't think he said much else against me.

I do want to do a vote analysis as well...

Okay lets look at it this way. Goodbar thinks I'm scum because:
1. I called Nero out on OMGUS
2. I unvoted Nero (thinking he was at L-2)
3. I didn't want an ArcAngel Lynch
4. Apparently I townread ArcAngel (which I hadn't at that point
5. Because of contradictions/weak points (btw he never calls me out on the contradictions and has no support that my points are 'weak' other than the fact that I disagree with him and he finds them to be weak, which is apparently scummy)
6. He continues to say I didn't unvote Nero because I thought he was still at L-2... when I clearly explained that I didn't realize Demon had been voting Nero.
7. Apparently I act like i'm immune because I've been participating. My point right there is that I prefer when I have a ml to get rid of people who aren't helping the game. This gives me time to get a better read on people who ARE participating. All I was saying is I was a poor lynch decision because the game would literally die without me (and it really would, lets face it).
8. I changed my story about why I didn't see Demon's vote (Doesn't matter what I said. I didn't see demon's vote. Regardless I was sleeping or at work and wasn't online.
9. My FOS is 'full of shit'
10. Okay beginning of day 4 all of a sudden Goodbar trusts ArcAngel and I'm his 'top scumread of the game' when day 2 ArcAngel was his 'top scumread'

I'm really just over this. If you consider any of that a solid argument you should self delete. That's not a solid arguement on me being scum.

You know what, tomorrow is the deadline. if scum isn't Goodbar than hammer whoever it will at least give you a good idea.

We need to lynch someone anyway and Goodbar is blinded if he is town.

VOTE: Goodbar

[rmpeacoc]

If you're seeing the case on me just hammer me.

I'd rather a lynch on Monty tomorrow.

[rmpeacoc]

@mod happy birthday!!!!

[rmpeacoc]

that didn't work sorry

Happy Birthday Phenenas! << BETTER

[rmpeacoc]

Interesting Kill... not sure why? It's not like everyone in the game was town reading her... Rach would be harder to frame as scum in this instance... in my personal opinion.

I'd like to hear everyone's reasoning for why ArcAngel would die?

FOS Monty... for reasons stated yesterday.

P-edit: Okay I suppose Rach wouldn't be a good kill... scum thought they could frame her because of the hammer? OR she is scum, but I don't think she is.

[rmpeacoc]

Sorry guys I'm home to see family this week... I thought I'd be online more. I'll try to make more of an effort. If nothing else I'm reading.

And yes I'm VT, I already claimed... clearly.

Also since everyone claims VT but Rach, I would be willing to say Rach is pretty clear and because she tracked me I do believe that makes me clear as well. Just making that point right now. I honestly think Bomberman is town as well.

From where I'm at it looks like a Monty-Belisarius team. Not sure why on earth they would both claim VT.

[rmpeacoc]

So you really think I'd bus one scumbuddy and declare a hard townread on the other without much more solid evidence?

I really don't know what to think. Maybe Bomberman really is scum, I had caught him and so he had to got hard on me? All I know is Rach is 100% not scum imo.

[rmpeacoc]

Happy Birthday Monty!

[rmpeacoc]

Can you explain to me what a mafia RB is?

Can I ask, Bomberman, why you won't look elsewhere. Even if you thought I was scum that's a big risk to take on lylo if you ask me, especially knowing the result that our only pr got.

I realize i'm not clear, but I guess I would be a bit more wary if I were you.

Honestly I'm pretty sure Monty is scum...

VOTE: MontyWhittaker

[rmpeacoc]

You know, at the same time I have a really hard time believing that both scum would have been on Goodbar yesterday.

Please give your thoughts on bomberman/monty.

[rmpeacoc]

Thank you Rach. I was confused so I appreciate you sharing your thought process. Makes a lot more sense to me now.

Also I completely agree with the whole deal about bomberman. My only struggle is my fear that Belisarius is buddying me. I'm quite torn between the two as the second scum, though I don't see them as a team. I'm like 95% sure Monty is scum right now.

[rmpeacoc]

replace the fuck out if you aren't going to play.

[rmpeacoc]

I just don't like to trust people... regardless I'm ready to get bomberman the F out of here.

VOTE: bomberman

[rmpeacoc]

Fine. I'll go back to VOTE: monty. I'm more sure about him anyway.

I apologize. This hit me at the same time someone who was quite rude and insulting to me and really upset me earlier.

[rmpeacoc]

im still here as well. no one is saying anything.

[rmpeacoc]

I'm suspicious of this whole 'i want to lynch bomberman'. Here's the thing.... someone is his partner. So who would you team him with?

[rmpeacoc]

so you don't want to think about tomorrow? see that I disagree with. What if you die? then you have no input. How about you speculate... like this:

If we lynch _________ and _______ die, tomorrow I would lynch __________.

There would be multiple scenarios here.

[rmpeacoc]

@mod thank you

[rmpeacoc]

basically.

[rmpeacoc]

Monty if you're around you could at least say something.

[rmpeacoc]

YAY Activity! Sorry guys I'm really exhausted and not feeling great right now.

Still prefer a monty lynch today. Annoyed by Bomberman but I don't want to hold that against Klick.

[rmpeacoc]

Rach can I get your opinion?

[rmpeacoc]

Someone was thread stalking and hit reply in the wrong thread.

I just want to know what you think about what Klick said...

[rmpeacoc]

@mod it has been 2 weeks now since Monty posted... that's a rather long V/LA, isn't it?

Unfair to town for sure.



If it came down to it I COULD handle a Belisarius lynch because...

1. He's been saying I'm town the whole game. Could easily be seen as buddying.
2. He won't answer my whole 'if so and so is lynched today I would lynch so and so tomorrow. My problem with this is that if he is night killed by scum (which he most likely won't be because he's scum or scummy town) he doesn't want to help out the town.
3. He's not fighting to have anyone else lynched... seems off.



However I would still prefer a Monty lynch. why?

1. Goodbar wanted Monty at the beginning of day 4. That counts for something in my book. (Yes, i do realize that he also wanted me lynched, but I think a lot of the basis on this was my reaction toward bomberman being an idiot (and lets face it he WAS an idiot... and then he replaced out because he was 'done with this game'... what?)
2. Monty's reasoning for voting me in 843. He basically says that Nero's playstyle would have warranted a bus that early in the game, but he doesn't really consider that I would have been hard-bussing as well.

[rmpeacoc]

sdlasdjasdl

I hate this because I'm not 100% convinced you are town, either, Klick... Here's my dilemma.

This is what I will ASSUME will happen.

Lynch Monty (assuming he flips scum)
Rach dies
That leaves three of us and you are both so against each other.

Rach do you have a preference over the two of them? I really just have no idea at the moment between Klick and Belisarius... i can see it both ways.

[rmpeacoc]

right. I don't think you and beli are a team.

[rmpeacoc]

Good point... makes me more confident about Monty.

[rmpeacoc]

I guess for me it depends on what kind of help Rach can give.

[rmpeacoc]

Rach,

Klick is exactly where I'm at. Where I'm pretty certain Monty is scum, Klick is more certain that beli is scum and is stuck between monty and I for the 2nd scum.

[rmpeacoc]

Rach that is exactly what I'm thinking, which is why I want a monty lynch. Klick already made a good point that he and beli can't be a team, or else they could just hammer it right now. therefore fmpov monty is confirmed...

[rmpeacoc]

Basically, if you're town, you have two options - lynch Monty now, and go to LyLo with us and Beli; or lynch between Beli and I now, and go to LyLo with me being confirmed town and choosing between you and Monty (unless you lynch me today).

I also have two options - lynch Beli now, and go into LyLo being confirmed town and choosing between you and Monty; or lynching between you and Monty now, and go into LyLo pushing the same thing tomorrow.

I'd rather make my decision now.

Woah woah wait I just caught this... what makes you confirmed town tomorrow if beli flips scum? because you wanted him lynched? because he wanted you lynched?

There IS a thing called bussing.

[rmpeacoc]

I'm not willing to lynch beli today.

[rmpeacoc]

basically what I mean there is that if you, beli, and rach would not lynch monty, and rach wouldn't lynch you, than I could go for a beli lynch.

Regardless I'm not sold between you and beli, seeing as there were others that thought bomberman was scum in the past.

As Rach said, we need to lynch scum today. I'm more comfortable with lynching monty, and that's all that matters.

[rmpeacoc]

welp... deadline is tomorrow. While I'm concerned with the fact that Monty isn't here, I'm rather sure that he's confirmed scum and the mod doesn't need to bother replacing him. Why? Because of what klick said... klick and beli can't be scum together... FMPOV that makes monty auto scum.

[rmpeacoc]

curious...

[rmpeacoc]

Rach who would you lynch tomorrow if you had the choice of the 3 of us?

[rmpeacoc]

play along? what you wanted me to pretend like I was your scum buddy?

[rmpeacoc]

I'd like to hear what Beli says. And yeah Klick that would be quite coincidental.

[rmpeacoc]

The fact that Nero was the other scum seriously just pisses me off.

VOTE: Belisarius

Honestly this comes down to a lot of things, but mostly the fact that bomberman was so against me and then klick came on here and didn't think I was scum... but beli always townread me and it felt like buddying... he never even considered that it coule have been me. Everyone else in the game thought I was scum at somepoint and I know that I do some scummy things... plus trying to pin it on klick because of his explanation when it was extremely rational fmpov.

Sorry if I'm wrong. I knew I was going to have to pick and I knew it was going to be extremely difficult.

[rmpeacoc]

and im sorry i did that so impulsively... i don't like to be persuaded.

[rmpeacoc]

i think if he'd killed you I would've been rather sure it was beli.... killing me would have been an interesting choice tbh.

[rmpeacoc]

I don't use OGI so your activity in another game wasn't even noticed by me. Honestly I might have gone the other way if you hadn't buddied me the entire game.

[rmpeacoc]

Nero probably could have tried though... I mean seriously.

[rmpeacoc]

Yes Fegelein, you and me both. I thought Nunez as well...

[rmpeacoc]

@Rach I understand. Game played out well though.