Mini 1439 -- Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

.mrifnoc\

Vote: Red Dragon

I'm Buffy, the Dragon slayer!

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Unvote

Vote: Alexcellent

I like driving Alexuscellent.

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Vote: Red Dragon

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Someone is named Yolo?

FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!

Unvote

Vote: YOLO

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I get the impression that Fegelein is just impatient, but I'll vote him just to keep things going.

Vote: Fegelein

If he gets to l-1, I will retract my vote.

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I don't have enough leads to leave RVS.

I'm just putting the vote down to keep things moving.
And see? I did just that. Discussion has been created!

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Also, Ztife's reaction seems way out of proportion.
I think you should explain why you're so enraged by a simple throwaway vote this early in the game.

Vote: Ztife

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I am mildly displeased by this turn of events.

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It's day one and you claim to have an entire case made of me being scum off of the fact that I voted someone who I considered town in order to advance the discussion.

Discussion was clearly advanced, so instead you should be applauding my well thought out discussion advancing technique.

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Oh well, someone has to be d1 lynch.

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The logic of this wagon is so bad I don't feel any further justification is required.

It would be like trying to refute the statement I think, therefore I am not.

It's just not done.

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How would it be out of proportion? Explain to me, what should I be doing then if I found you scummy? Continue being in RVS instead of voting and questioning you?
You also seem to imply that I shouldn't be voting seriously just because its early in the game, is that what's making you defensive? For me trying to draw attention to your scum slip?

I genuinely believe that Fegelein is town right now, but I want him to talk more so he can prove/disprove it to others, and in case it gets to l-1 without him changing my opinion, I am explaining that I will withdraw my vote in advance, so it doesn't look scummy if I withdraw and then he flips scum. Sort of the same thing as saying that a case "piques my interest", except I gave more detail about my reasoning for voting up someone that I considered town.

Believe it or not, not every higher brain function is decided by logic. Subconsciously, having an additional vote on his wagon and seeing a smaller L-# is going to make him feel more pressured regardless of whether it's actual pressure.

Day 1 lynches are mostly random, yet you jumped on my case like a dog on an ass flavoured biscuit and pushed for a wagon for an extremely silly reason and acted like I was basically confirmed mafia because of the god tier scumminess jam packed into 30 words. It seems to me like you are obviously just jumping on an opportunity because you're in a rush for day phase to end.

The push doesn't really make sense and the sloppiness of your push makes me think that you're just pretending to scumhunt, so I am voting you in return.
If I do get lynched today, I would highly advise any cops to verify your alignment.

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FoS MrBump. Only scum know who is town.

On top of that, he won't GTFO.

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aww.

*hug*

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something about chillkid seems a little too...


...chill

AAAAAaaahhhhhh

The fact that you only just noticed this means you need to ketchup to the rest of us.

this is an eggsellent post

I think I'll milk this for all it's worth.

[RadiantCowbells]

I love you stew.

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V/LA for two days.

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precisely nothing since then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QsmMknKyFo

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi again. Sorry for the low activity but I'm prepping for my last exam.

After the 25th I'll be much more active, promise!

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Vote: Bacde

Further bulletins as events warrant.

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although I'm getting this feeling that the mafia are just staying under our radars

Seems to me like you're softly showing your lack of commitment to major wagons, almost as if you already know they're going to flip town.

Fancy that?

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I want to reread knowing that flip.

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pointless throwaway post while I wait for fegelein to get back.

I reiterate my lack of my support for the fegelein lynch.

I would also support lynches on Don_Johnson, Ztife, and MrBump.

Vote: MrBump

for now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not allowed to say why yet.

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wtb feg

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I have been completely unambiguous.

I do not want a Fegelein lynch.

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@Everyone who is currently voting for Fegelein and is justifying it based on "information."

If he flips town, who would you want to vote next?
If he flips scum, who would you want to vote next?

It involves meta from an ongoing game. Just shh.

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Hurro.

My case for Town!Fegelein was based on my experience with his town meta in 1350.

I also may or may not have had a hand in the death of Secret Agent Sloth. Heh heh heh.

Vote: Penguin_Alien

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@Penguin_alien
Doesn't matter, I'll shoot you tonight if someone else gets lynched.

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Bacde. So either the mafia and I shot the same target, the mafia killing role was role blocked, or the mafia target was protected somehow.

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@MrBump: How does my play shout serial killer?

Why would a serial killer out themselves publicly to give the town information in return for making them a likely night kill target?

Your logic is terrible and makes me suspect you for a faker.

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Is this a contest of let's make RC target me tonight?

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VOTE: MrBump

I honestly don't think further explanation of this vote is required.

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V/LA for 36 hours or so. No time to post now either.

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I'm fine with a lynch on Bump or Jonson today, and I could probably be talked into other lynches if someone presents a good case.

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I have my reasons; deal with it. If I were to explain my reasons, it would defeat the purpose of my claim.

I think Ank is town and I think don is scum, probably with penguin. I do not in any way support a lynch on any one other than those two at this time.

Don, you are either completely logically inept or simply scum trying to push a mislynch. I lean towards the latter but if I'm wrong, you need to convince me why I should lynch or shoot penguin instead of you.

Same applies to you, penguin. I am not getting lynched today and whether you are town or scum, you do not want to be my target tonight.

My understanding of the setup is that there is no serial killer, few power roles, and the mafia setup is either 3 mafia or 2 mafia and a traitor. My claiming today is actually quite logical when you consider that. I claimed today because I wanted town to follow my lead lynching scum, and if you really think I'm a serial killer, the extent to which I am working against the mafia, as discussed by you guys above, means that leaving me alive serves your purposes in every way.

nless he is one shot and claiming to draw an nk

On the contrary. Mafia know that I was the one to shoot Bacde, which means that (unless they targeted him too) they know that we have a jailkeeper/doctor/etc. My survival tonight is quite likely, which is probably not good news for you.

Now, stop voting for RD and lynch DJ or Penguin.

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About the one shot thing, you also shouldn't have said that if you really thought it was a possibility, because you just alerted the mafia to that possibility.

You actively working against the town to serve your own interests has made my mind clear.

VOTE: don_johnson

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Don doesn't argue that he's not scum, he just argues that I'm not fit to decide that because apparently me shooting SAS is "luck".

More votes on him, please.

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I think you're town and I trust your judgement.

If that's the case, then we can go ahead and lynch RD and I'll shoot don tonight.

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Did someone say

VOTE: Red Dragon

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I'll go ahead and claim because it doesn't really affect what anyone else says.

I am le 2-shot vigilante

Everyone thought I was scum D1 so I figured it would be better if I died. Obviously, mafia saw through my bluff, or perhaps they thought I would have doctor protection?

I find Penguin's complete rejection of the theory that I am vigilante to be purely an opportunistic attempt to get me lynched and win the game. Her argument is ridiculous too; the "town as kingmaker" thing ignores the possibility of maf/sk shooting each other, which is far more likely than a doc save, and furthermore, following the 'if I am not serial killer' path and having everybody mass claim, then there were probably 3 mafia at the beginning, which would mean my lynch would instantly lose the game.

I had no shots tonight, I am not bulletproof. I figured that my ballsy quickhammer would convince scum that I was a full vigilante, but obviously that didn't work out as intended. I suspect Don_Johnson is not scum because Penguin is virtually confirmed town in my eyes, and I can't see both scum being on completely opposite sides of the Radi!Lynch field. Regardless, I am comfortable putting my vote down now.

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm Buffy, the Dragon slayer!

No, because I think you're scum and to try to get a lynch on a vigilante at this point in the game, you'd need the support of both scum members.

You being scum is entirely seperate from the question of whether don_johnson was scum.

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Because you didn't know that, and you assumed that the PR blocked my kill, and you assumed that I was a legit vigilante or a SK.

Now you're stuck on that wagon and have committed to it, so you're going to try to reverse-engineer a justification for it.

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Actually, I might not be wrong in saying that you DID shoot someone else tonight, had it blocked, thought I was a legitimate serial killer when I shot SAS, didn't shoot me for worries of it being blocked / me being bulletproof, and wanted the SK out of the way.

You might even still think I'm a serial killer. You're still scum though.

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Shoot someone else first night*

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Or, get this

Radiant is 2-shot vigilante

3 scum to start with / 2 scum and a traitor, all on the same team.

Radiant claims because reasons???

Mafia thinks he's bulletproof SK and doesn't hit him.

Lynch Radiant, mafia kills one town, mafia wins.

RC does not have to be lynched today.

Also, look at the setup. Do you really think this is a 13p mountainous against 3 scum / 2 scum and a SK?
Or even worse, 13p mountainous against 2 scum teams?

It can't be standard 13p mountainous with 2 scum because two deaths night two, one on scum. I actually believe it's 1 scum + 1 bulletproof scum + 1 traitor, personally.

I'm also not okay with lynching DJ right now, especially without a claim.

Read it, I have mentioned any chance of town winning lies in getting RC lynched unless you believe he is vig.

Why are you so god damn certain that I'm not?

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Ztife /Penguinscum are scum. The sarcasm in his last post made me certain.

That leaves everyone else as town by extension. I claimed because I didn't want people to think I was a serial killer, and I claimed vig instead of 2-shot vig so that I would be killed and there would be no doubt in anyone's mind that I wasn't a serial killer after the flip.

If I'm scummy, anti-town, illogical, and bad, then go ahead and lynch me, but you'll have to share some of that bad label for yourself when you throw the game for town. Assuming you're town, that is.

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I would rather have my vote down on Ztife then Penguin at the moment.

VOTE: Ztife

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Here's something you should ask yourself.

Do you really believe that there would be a 2 mafia 1 sk 10 vt setup?
Do you really believe that the mod is sitting behind his computer going ROFL I JUST TROLLED THEM WITH THIS MOUNTAINOUS SETUP SO HARD ROFL THEY SOO MAD LOL GET DUNKED NOOBLORDS.

Or do you believe that I am just a person who on D1 got peeved because he had just been lynched D1 in N1350, and who believes that reads should always be fluid.

Further, if I was trying to wrap town around my finger, would I have explicitly stated that was what I wanted?

Also, I just noticed that DJ didn't claim cop like I expected him to, and without him being cop, I question why he is so confident in my being a two shot vigilante. I would appreciate more information from him on why he is buddying me so hard.

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If I'm dead without shots, that makes me effectively a VT, no?

Why shouldn't I bait fire over any potential PRs?

I honestly believe that you and your scumpartner think I'm a legitimate SK. That's why you're so adamant on my lynch.

It's common mafia response to try to lynch potential SKs on a day like this, because pushing as hard as you can for a potential SK lynch on a day like this means you get to genuinely push for a lynch, making slips difficult, portray yourself easily as in the town's best interests, and you know that in doing so you win the game for yourself instantly.

The single mindedness with which you are pursuing me indicates that the question of whether I am a vig or a serial killer is truthfully irrelevant to you; you just want to win the game. You might win on 4 way, but I am going to be damn sure you aren't going to win by lynching me today.

Why Ztife is scum - the great wall of text.

So what's the purpose of your vote then? What are you trying to pressure or get out of this bandwagon? By saying that you will unvote him at l-1 is counter-intuitive to any pressure you are trying to create, and it gives an opportunity for you to say you forget to unvote when a mislynch happens.

Vote:RadiantCowbells

Scum don't need to scumhunt. A great way to fake it is by criticizing people's logic, and saying that their bad logic makes them scummy. That is precisely what Ztife does here.

How does it keep things moving? Of course, apart from the fact that I have pointed out the scumminess of it.
Like I have pointed out, its a meaningless pressure vote.

How would it be out of proportion? Explain to me, what should I be doing then if I found you scummy? Continue being in RVS instead of voting and questioning you?
You also seem to imply that I shouldn't be voting seriously just because its early in the game, is that what's making you defensive? For me trying to draw attention to your scum slip?

Also on what grounds are you voting me for?

Instead of pointing out reasons that I'm scummy, he proceeds to discuss strategy.
Also, his reaction to a common OMGUS vote is to ask what grounds he's being voted for; worried about self preservation, instead of pointing out that the guy he's voting has made a scummy vote, which he obviously believed.

Everything you do is just making you look like scum and you're not even making any attempts to stop looking like one.

Slip. I'm not scum, I'm just doing things that make me look like scum.

If I do get lynched today, I would highly advise any cops to verify your alignment.

After I say this, he immediately deflects attention. Someone is worried about being checked by cops.

Elobrate for me, so far Bacde/SAS interactions looks more like fillers rather than containing any substantiality in them. They are more of a null-tell for me at this point.

Interactions looking like fillers is pretty scummy. But, since it involves his broseph joseph SAS, it's just a null tell at tihs point.

YOLO and RC kinda up in my scum list now. Bacde, Sloth and Bump kinda townish.

Just in case anyone's curious, I was shooting down this "town" list.

Actually, a quick peek at RC's ISO shows a much more aggressive player than he is this game, thought this is not a point which I want to get much into.

Why not? Because I'm an easy lynch later in the game. Scum always try to postpone lynches on people that they think they can lynch at any time. This is an exact example of that.

How about your SAS vote whom you were so "serious" about lynching?

Worried about votes on SAS, but not votes on others.

On the hindsight, SAS made a good point, chillkid's slot did nothing good either. I'm good to go for this wagon.
SCUM FOUND.

Oh yeah, SAS made a good point. That's excellent.

I assume you mean post #533 is "starting to contribute" to the game where I see nothing but a scum attempting to look like he actually cares about hunting scum. Its pathetic really.

I'm scum, but he has no desire at all to push a lynch on me. He just says its pathetic to keep in the town's mind that I'm a viable mislynch, but he continues to completely sit on the fence about what he wants to do.

(to SAS) Why feg? Who are your common top scum reads?

That's what he says to SAS. NOTHING. Just asks for reads. All his other comments in the same post (676) directed at other people question whether they are scum or town.



And now I'm bored of writing my ISO of him but keep the following in mind.

1) Ztife completely ignores any discussion of the wagon on SAS on day 1. He keeps talking about other wagons while it is going on.
2) While he references commentary by SAS, he has almost no direct convo with him.

I believe that Ztife is the last scum, and that the last scum is a traitor. This would also give an excellent alternate explanation for why there was no death N1; Bacde wasn't hit, the mafia just tried to hit the traitor.

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Presumably they didn't know and the settings are that if Mafia try to kill the traitor, he doesn't die.

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As much as I want to lynch DJ, this hearkens back to Srand in 1347.

Which is to say, that the mafia know as well as everyone else does that I look scum, but sometimes town see other town.

Following that logic, I have to say that DJ is town, as much as he doesn't look it. Further, no one believes that I'm town.

All I have to say is that if DJ flips town and we have a doctor, doc ANYONE BUT Ztife. Roleblocker, hit Ztife up.

Even if I'm SK, this is good advice, because there would be no reason for me to not target mafia, so please do it.

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It was something about the argument where Bacde and Feg were arguing and someone else said it was town on town.

I don't actually remember what it was but I thought Bacde was super scummy after than and I had him voted most of the day, so it's kind of a misrepresentation to say that I scarcely brought it up.


On the topic of DJ, like, I can't comprehend a scum oriented motivation for hard defending me.

If he's scum he likely has a partner so I can't shoot them all by myself, meaning that if he had just supported my lynch he'd have won.


I thought he was cop for a while, honestly. Now I'm not sure, but I still reiterate that I find it illogical that scum would be defending me at this point in time. Only reason to do that would be that he believes my vig claim, and Srand in the example that I'm comparing DJ to looked even scummier.

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"defend me so that you don't shoot him overnight" does not apply when I was the most likely lynch, but I mean it sort of does, but then there's the game with Srand and I'm hesitant to lynch someone hard defending me.

I forget who said it, but they had a point about having two vig shots and two scum; its incredibly unlikely the moderator would have risked someone going full batman and killing the scum on their own.

I think there are three scum, but that would make this too scum-sided, so hence the 2 scum + traitor. It also gives an alternate explanation to why there was only one death N1, because whatever people say, Bacde did NOT look town D1. I have difficulty believing that scum would have targeted him.

I've been hard defended in two previous games as town after everyone else thought I was scum, and I assumed that the person defending me was scum trying to get towncred. I was wrong every time, so I do not favour a DJ lynch.

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I believe that's game for town.

Ztife and EPM as a scumteam makes little sense so there's at least one town willing to vote me, so getting a lynch on legitimate scum is impossible.

GG WP. Sorry if I wasn't the best PR, town.

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EIther way good job with the OMGUS statement, you just crack easily under pressure and just scum slipped all over yourself, right from D1.

If you end up being town, after you see my flip, do I have the right to slap you hard in the face for that statement?

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Going V/LA for two days

unvoting so that no one hammers in my absence and we get more discussion time in.

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VOTE: Unvote

I would consider a NL today, yes.


@Ztife- I may be OMGusing to an extent, but you have a deathtunnel on town, and if you weren't scum I'd need your vote to lynch scum.

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What if you lynched me never because I'm town?

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I shot Bacde N1 and SAS N2.

I know Ztife is scum and I'm not sure who the other scum is yet.

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I've just about had it with all the trash talk.

Just end this.

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If RC is a vig, he hasn't...argh, trying not to be gratuitously insulting here...played in a pro-town fashion? I'll leave it at that and reserve the right to rant in post-game if he's a vig.

Get the fuck over it you crybaby.

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Assuming I'm right about two scum left, that's game.

No, I'm a vig. And please penguin, don't play with me again.

This game has been so unpleasant with the attitude from everyone; not people thinking I'm scummy which is fine, just all the constant insinuations that I suck, am a shitty pr, not pro-town, etc.

I am very happy to have it over, and hopefully any of the town that are in the group that I'm referring to will learn to relate differently.

In closing, yeah I was feeling pretty anti-town most of the game. You should take some time to reflect among yourselves why I felt that way.

If the game's not over, lynch Ztife tomorrow.

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My play was terrible, and yet I vigged one scum and called the other out.

^_-