Mini 1464 - Game Over

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Hey guys thanks for letting me play yesterday, not! I replaced in and came to post to fond the hammer had fallen. Btw hello Everyone. Will read and get back in thread tomorrow today is rest day from virtual reality, aka weekend shopping with the darling Wife and 4 year old one boy stress testing zone, my son.. Try not to lynch anyone until I get to play? Please.

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Ok have read through and here is what I am picking up.

mnemonicdevice's post at 156 should be taken on board at this stage and the question asked about the order of those she felt should be lynch. While a lot of what she is saying here could be regarded as subjective and based on gut as opposed to experience. This should not be overlooked and also be looked at in conjunction with Infintiy’s posts to compare any possible links. And there is one thing that stands out and that is HC.

HC sits on MDs list towards the top, why would this be of note well shortly after MDs claim the following happened. Zhero and CC unvoted immediately with Feel It following with an unvote shortly after that. Others continue to discuss it but HC stands out as flatly refusing to believe the claim and, as MD points out, HC has been tunneling on MD up to that point. Another who did not believe was Toomai who described it as a null tell, and then elaborated with a brief outline of why he would think that 177, Immediately After this 2B1S unvotes.

Therefore looking at Infinity's posts that lead up to his Lynch. On arriving 206, he immediately names Toomai and 2B1S as scum buddies then there is a ensuing discussion through the thread as to why this is so, setting MD up for the eventual lynch in 206, but maintaining the read of scum on Toomai. At first I felt that Infintiy’s actions were deliberate in camouflaging who the buddy is. Through the run of events he names 2B1S, Zhero, Toomai, Daemon as possible scum, interchanging freely but stays away from Nic, Feel It and HC. The question is why? And based on MDs list and tunneling statement then my FoS is pointed at HC and to a lesser extent Toomai as I think the whole thing in relation to Toomai smells of distancing.

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VOTE: Haschel Cedricson

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Smudger: If you weren't spoiled before you started, did you believe or disbelieve the Doctor claim as you were reading?

Good question, I think I would have questioned it closely but in the ensuing time I wold have removed my vote, I do this always when there is a claim. Looking at it now and the explanations given against playing experience I believe that I would have given the benefit of the doubt to MD. However hindsight is a wonderful tool tbh.

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I also feel you somewhat missed how Infinity suddenly decided I was town. To me it stopped being potential distancing there and started being flailing.

I think that is a matter of opinion, what you have pointed out can be taken the way you intend it to be taken, but it can equally be taken as clever distancing.. and Infinity put up a good argument that had some in two minds, so I would not put it past him to be in a position to do such a thing.

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Has anyone actually got a case on Haschel? I've seen a few votes his way, but he strikes me as very much town, and I don't recall seeing anything convincing put against him.

my post 291

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Birds why say Toomai then vote Daemon, who is actually at the bottom of Tomais scum register and, if I read that properly Toomai believes is scum? Are you suggesting that Toomai is busing Daemon? or have you just made a fundamental error?

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@Toomai, I don't agree with your picks there, they don't appear to be so scummy to warrant FoS,

@Daemon the , Freshmaniscoolman/Zhero slot, can you give instances where it seals your vote please?

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sorry 2Birds I replaced in so if this is known forgive me but are you a hydra? your posting styles changed in between your last two posts?


and I find 309 "as it says on the tin", a cop out. what is your basis for suspecting Daemon over Toomai, can you give some examples?

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I've skimmed (very lightly skimmed, mind) day one of his newbie games, and iso'd him in those games,

anything in particular you want to share with us to back it up?

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VLA till Sunday guys

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wat

Your first post in three days is filler? Really? Why do you not post any insight on the discussion since then?

I've skimmed (very lightly skimmed, mind) day one of his newbie games, and iso'd him in those games,

anything in particular you want to share with us to back it up?

No.

So you re-evaluate a read based on meta and decline to give concrete examples as to why, okay.

Ok thanks Toomai but I was going "to go to town"on this one,

2birds really? You enter a meta read into the game, in a way that says this is important everyone please take note of this and then when asked to share it you say no?

Care to give a valid reason why not?

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While reading Toomai's ISO something in it made me read through Infinity's ISO again

this is what we know

206 Pitoli is scummy
208 Toomai us scummy
212 Thinks both 2birds and Toomai are probably town, but thinks Toomai is giving scum vibes
215 Zhero is scum
216 Daemon is probably more likely scum then Zhero
219 Daemon is scum
231 Case against Toomai, thinks Toomai is town and votes 2Birds
243 Vote Daemon
245 Zhero Town

does not mention

N64Lord - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1
mnemonicdevice - Town Doctor - Lynched Day 2
Monkeyman576 - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 2
My slot
Haschel Cedricson

I think I am right with that, point being that if Daemon is scum as Toomai suspects, then there was a bus being created by Infinity on Daemon and Toomai is maintaining that bus, if Toomai is scum as 2birds believes. However if Daemon is being set up here and is in fact town then, on that basis, flip the list that Toomai has posted as his reads, then it would point to the fact that HC is his buddy, If Toomai is scum. Therefore it would seem to me, based on the reads from Inifinity's ISO, that Toomai is indeed scum as suspected by 2birds and therefore 2birds read is correct.

VOTE: Toomai

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RC welcome

To answer your main concern, I looked at Pitoli's input as background information, but focused more on Infinity, who replaced Pitoli, as this was the person who was in the slot when it lynched. And to also cover Toomai's response also, I have had suspicions of Toomai HC and 2birds at different times throughout my time in the game. Unlike you though RC I don't have great experience at replacing into a game and so far have found focusing on those currently in the game as opposed to those who have been replaced gives me a more current read. Now I fully appreciate what that means with regard to my slot, I am not foolish enough to ignore the connotations this brings. I am currently voting Toomai based on my thoughts and inderstanding of Inifinity's scum feels and Toomai's list. Infinity is confirm scum his biggest scum suspect was Daemon, he named him as scum more than others and voted for him, so I base my current vote on Toomai on this simple fact. I am fully aware that it could very well be the case that Infinity's strategy could have been to set Daemon up as possibly town, knowing full well that he was in fact scum, through his vote, but IIRC Infintiy replaced in and stated he had no experience, so that would be a very good strategy for someone with limited experience. I can't check this as I am on my phone but are scum communicating all the time in their QT, or limited to Nighttime only? If they are limited to night time only then Infinity was flying blind which would strengthen the fact that the aforementioned strategy was, very good coming from an inexperienced player, or did not exist. I believe the later is the case here.

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Having just read through RC again, this is the RC I know, take from that what you will. I also feel his take on Daemon is off centre a bit, so I am now confused. I believe I have read Infinity right and based on that feel my vote is correct. I am going to keep it where it is.

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interesting, 2birds why did you move your vote if you are so sure Toomai is scum?

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I just read thorough Daemon's ISO, interesting for lack of real content tbh. The only things that stand out is a conscious effort to place MD on the gallows and also a suspicion towards Zhero. This of course does not count the current interaction with 2birds. What is interesting though is that early on he does go up against Pitoli but to no great extent and later Infinity but again it was all rather wishy washy. Is that scummy? not really when taken against his overall inputs, is that distancing? It could be, bottom line is if Daemon is lynched and flips town then his main protagonists come under scrutiny obviously. If he flips Scum then the other way around I suppose. We need to hear from HC he did say he would post this AM.

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And just finished reading through Pitoli's ISO. So similar to Infinity, it is spooky, throwing around scum vibes on a similar scale. again interaction between Pitoli and Daemon is there but of little content. bottom line is if you put the Pitoli scum vibes together with Infinity's together and look at who they blank or ignore they basically cover everyone in the game. Which is what I felt the first time round but did not really cotton onto it until after RCs post and push for me to look, So in my ind not really helpful and as stated before background information on what is happening right now.

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RC in response to your requesting Daemon to attack someone, why is not attacking someone a scum tell? Surely scum would attack more vigorously if placed near to or on L-1. The simple fact is if he is scum surely he will be fighting to survive, all I see is some one who is on the verge of giving up. How can the fact that he is not attacking someone be a scum tell?

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Go ahead and hammer away my friend. A town will die but I am sure it will give enough information. The other townies better get a scum next time though cause we really are going to need it. I am being completely serious by the way. If my lynch means getting a kill against scum next round then so be it.

this says giving up to me,

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In case no-one noticed, Daemon didn't actually start posting regularly until L-1.

I did notice, but then he gave up, is the point I am trying to make at 368

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So the point is that either the remaining scum are already on Daemons wagon, or Daemon is scum as no-one has hammered quickly....so this will tell us a lot if and when the hammer falls.

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That's interesting, well it would seem we may have a re director in play. I went to investigate Toomai last night and received a vanilla result? I could only do that once btw investigate someone. So that sort of scuppers my big announcement that Toomai is not scum??

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well that is what happened, there is not much more I can say. Other than your claim is fake, which is something that is a possibility.

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1 x shot vanilla cop

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Which means I get either a result that says "vanilla" or "not vanilla" with my one investigation. So I decided to use it last night on Toomai as he isy biggest scum suspect and got this reply "vanilla".

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I WANT TO KILL YOU ALL!!!! GRRRRRRRR DIE SCUM - DIE TOWN - DIE EVERY ONE

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Thanks for an interesting role, first time as an SK, especially as I replaced in, getting the role PM and reading it I actually licked my lips (lol), it was easy to select my first 2 victims - Lord and Monkeyman as both were not being controversial in my opinion thus not standing out too much. I was surprised though that the second kill I made was the only NK that night. I also debated with myself about not killing on N3, lol wish I had taken my own advice when all things are considered, I think I could have got through to the end if I had not, except of course someone tried to kill me N3 as my one shot bullet proof was expended. Well played 2birds, what could I say when you called me out early D4, had to give you something, but of course Feel It was always going to vote for me anyway as he had a good idea by then that I had been protected the night before.

RC thanks for the endorsement I am going to
Put that on my signature if you don't mind

Ankamius anytime you are running a game I will certainly sign up, it was fun and you did a great job as Mod.

Well played everyone see you around the forum.